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"Ophelia" > wrote in
:

> I have to say though that when I lived in India (around 15
> years ago) most people were skinny.

The situation 15 years ago was considerably different. Diets are
changing due to fast food outlets and this is given as a primary
cause in the increase in obesity in India and China.

--

"When a government starts to cancel dissent or avoid dissent
is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to
govern."

Stephen Harper, 18 April 2005

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"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Ophelia" > wrote in
> :
>
>> I have to say though that when I lived in India (around 15
>> years ago) most people were skinny.
>
> The situation 15 years ago was considerably different. Diets are
> changing due to fast food outlets and this is given as a primary
> cause in the increase in obesity in India and China.

Yes this is true. There were some fast food outlets when I was the
McDonalds and TGIF. I am quite sure that the street people coudn't afford
to eat there though

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"Ophelia" > wrote in
:

> Yes this is true. There were some fast food outlets when I
> was the McDonalds and TGIF. I am quite sure that the
> street people coudn't afford to eat there though

But generally, these societies are becoming more affluent as they
have more growth potential than the West. If as many as 20% of
Indians are now considered obese, that is an indicator that there
is more wealth out there. How it is used is not the issue,
economically speaking.

--

"When a government starts to cancel dissent or avoid dissent
is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to
govern."

Stephen Harper, 18 April 2005

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"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Ophelia" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Yes this is true. There were some fast food outlets when I
>> was the McDonalds and TGIF. I am quite sure that the
>> street people coudn't afford to eat there though
>
> But generally, these societies are becoming more affluent as they
> have more growth potential than the West. If as many as 20% of
> Indians are now considered obese, that is an indicator that there
> is more wealth out there. How it is used is not the issue,
> economically speaking.

Oh there always has been wealth, it just doesn't filter down to the street
people.

"I am quite sure that the
>> street people coudn't afford to eat there though"

I didn't mention the obese people eating in hotels and dripping with
jewellry, who sneer at the poor and 'the untouchables'
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"Jinx Minx" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> Secondly, your extremely limited experience and observation of Indian
> people in *Texas* is hardly representative of Indians in general, and more
> specifically Indians in India. And the fact that you use that observation
> to back up your claim is laughable.

But I watch Bollywood movies and they're pretty much all cute in those...

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"Ophelia" > wrote in
:

>> But generally, these societies are becoming more affluent as
>> they have more growth potential than the West. If as many as
>> 20% of Indians are now considered obese, that is an indicator
>> that there is more wealth out there. How it is used is not
>> the issue, economically speaking.
>
> Oh there always has been wealth, it just doesn't filter down
> to the street people.

It is filtering down more than before.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6257057.stm

--

"When a government starts to cancel dissent or avoid dissent
is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to
govern."

Stephen Harper, 18 April 2005

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"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Ophelia" > wrote in
> :
>
>>> But generally, these societies are becoming more affluent as
>>> they have more growth potential than the West. If as many as
>>> 20% of Indians are now considered obese, that is an indicator
>>> that there is more wealth out there. How it is used is not
>>> the issue, economically speaking.
>>
>> Oh there always has been wealth, it just doesn't filter down
>> to the street people.
>
> It is filtering down more than before.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6257057.stm

I can only hope!

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Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

> Every diet has the potential to be healthy or unhealthy depending on how much
> of certain foods people eat. Not all Indians eat lots of fried food, ghee,
> sweets, dairy or animal products. Some are vegans, while most do not prepare
> meat at home in order to keep their living spaces "unpolluted". Most Indians
> still subsist on staples such as rice and daal, hardly the catalysts for heart
> disease or diabetes.
>
> Orlando

Are you speaking from experience knowing Indians *in* India, or Indians
who live in the US?

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Omelet wrote on Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:43:20 -0500:

>> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
>> ...
> >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> I know nothing about it but will check google... I knew
> >>> my new boss was mid-eastern but only finally worked up the
> >>> nerve to ask him where he was from today during casual
> >>> conversation in the break room. He is Iranian and so is
> >>> one of the new intake techs. :-)
> >>
> >> Look up Persian recipes as well. Many of the Iranians who
> >> came tend to call / consider themselves Persians.
> >>
> >> In LA there is a large close knit community of Iranian
> >> -Jews who left about the time Shaw was deposed and the
> >> theocracy was started.
> >>
> >> Dimitri
>>
>> Om,
>> I 'faved' a blog of Azerbajianian recipes. Is this something
>> you might be interested in? If so, email, and I'll send you
>> the link. -ginny

I just remembered that I had a menu from a recently opened and rather
good Persian restaurant in Rockville, MD: the Tanoor. Their menu is on
their web page at http://www.tanoorrestaurant.com/restaurant.html

As far as unusual dishes are concerned , I'll just mention three
vegetarian rice dishes, Zereshk Polo, Shirin Polo and Albalou Polo.
There are all sorts of interesting things in them like barberries,
almonds and saffron.There are also various stews and, of course, the
kebabs common to Middle Eastern cooking. I think a tanoor is much the
same thing as an Indian tandoor. They certainly cook bread (Taftoon) in
it just like Indians do.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

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Goomba > wrote:
>Are you speaking from experience knowing Indians *in* India, or Indians
>who live in the US?

Both. I've been around Indians for much of my life, given my musical passions.
I also spent ten months in India, studying Hindustani classical music on a
research grant from the American Institute of Indian Studies.

Orlando

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On Jun 29, 8:05*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "Jinx Minx" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> > Secondly, your extremely limited experience and observation of Indian
> > people in *Texas* is hardly representative of Indians in general, and more
> > specifically Indians in India. *And the fact that you use that observation
> > to back up your claim is laughable.
>
> But I watch Bollywood movies and they're pretty much all cute in those...

Bollywood actors are also several shades lighter than any real Indians
I've ever met.

They must keep them in the dark, like mushrooms. Or else they hill
them up, like white asparagus (to bring it back on the topic of food).

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spamtrap1888 > wrote in

..com:

>> But I watch Bollywood movies and they're pretty much all cute
>> in those...
>
> Bollywood actors are also several shades lighter than any real
> Indians I've ever met.
>
> They must keep them in the dark, like mushrooms. Or else they
> hill them up, like white asparagus (to bring it back on the
> topic of food).

And some of them are from Canada, including Member of Parliament
Ruby Dhalla:

http://tinyurl.com/27mna93

[http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KfdYGbOXmok/Sg...AAAAAAAAAVI/ew
p39AOF6Y8/%5BUNSET%5D.jpg]

http://tinyurl.com/29vl5au

[http://www.nriinternet.com/NRIpoliti...DA/Ontario/Rub
y_Dhalla/Dr_Rubi_Dhalla_4.JPG]

and you might enjoy this snippet from the CBC News:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEeo...eature=related

and Lisa Ray

http://wallpapers.oneindia.in/d/180045-2/lisa-ray07.jpg

Ray has worked with Deepah Mehta on Bollywood/Hollywood (a
Bollywood comedy set in Toronto) and Water, a much more serious
examination of the condition of widows in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Ray

--

"When a government starts to cancel dissent or avoid dissent
is frankly when it's rapidly losing its moral authority to
govern."

Stephen Harper, 18 April 2005

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:17:50 -0500, "Jinx Minx" >
wrote:

> And I find it so interesting that fair skinned caucasians, especially
> Americans, go to such great lengths to get darker!

You know the saying: The grass is always greener on the other side.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

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Ranée wrote:

>> Bollywood actors are also several shades lighter than any real Indians
>> I've ever met.
>
> How many have you met? There is a vast range of coloration
> throughout India and the Near East/Middle East. My bedouin grandmother
> was fair, fair skinned with green eyes and red hair, for instance.

Two very different groups of people (labeled "Aryan" and "Dravidian")
originated in India. It used to be thought that they were actually two
different races, since they differed so much in appearance. (Aryans were
much lighter-skinned than Dravidians.) But comprehensive genetic testing
proved that they are in fact the same race. It's just that they had
differing ideas about what was physically attractive, and they ended up
breeding for those attractive traits within their respective groups.

Bob

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Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>Two very different groups of people (labeled "Aryan" and "Dravidian")
>originated in India. It used to be thought that they were actually two
>different races, since they differed so much in appearance. (Aryans were
>much lighter-skinned than Dravidians.) But comprehensive genetic testing
>proved that they are in fact the same race. It's just that they had
>differing ideas about what was physically attractive, and they ended up
>breeding for those attractive traits within their respective groups.

That must be why their languages have nothing in common. Oh yeah!

Orlando

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Orlando wrote:

>> Two very different groups of people (labeled "Aryan" and "Dravidian")
>> originated in India. It used to be thought that they were actually two
>> different races, since they differed so much in appearance. (Aryans were
>> much lighter-skinned than Dravidians.) But comprehensive genetic testing
>> proved that they are in fact the same race. It's just that they had
>> differing ideas about what was physically attractive, and they ended up
>> breeding for those attractive traits within their respective groups.
>
> That must be why their languages have nothing in common. Oh yeah!

So you believe that common language implies common genetics? Really?

Bob

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Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>So you believe that common language implies common genetics? Really?

At least to a point before divergence. Are you forgetting that the Dravidians
developed the Indus Valley and Mohenjo Daro civilizations before the Aryans
invaded from Europe? Are you unaware that Dravidian languages never were
Sanskritic?

Orlando

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In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> The message >
> from "Jinx Minx" > contains these words:
>
>
> > And I find it so interesting that fair skinned caucasians, especially
> > Americans, go to such great lengths to get darker!
>
> That is a fairly recent phenomenon though. Only a hundred years ago,
> very pale
> untanned skin denoted high social status symbol among whites; "ladies"
> still shaded their exposed skin to
> avoid tanning (or freckles) and powdered it to appear even whiter than
> they were.
>
> Janet.
>
>

I see many young women that tan a lot who's skin looks like cured
leather.

I avoid the sun as much as possible. I'll get my vitamin D in capsules.
;-) Both my sister and I freckle if we even attempt a bit of sun.

I have no problems keeping my skin tone fair, and neither does she. It
goes with our Red hair. I even wear a broad brimmed hat when gardening.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

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In article >,
Janet Baraclough > wrote:

> > I see many young women that tan a lot who's skin looks like cured
> > leather.
>
> I'm always shocked to see old caucasian US ladies with skin like
> crocodiles. You don't see this
> craziness in white Australians (and Brits never get enough sun to
> produce quite the same desert effect)
>
> The palest people I ever encounter, are the staff at the skin cancer
> clinic. Says it all really :-(
>
> Janet.

Good post! And so true...
Skin cancer is becoming a real killer from what I've heard.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

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On 7/15/2010 12:51 AM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Two very different groups of people (labeled "Aryan" and "Dravidian")
> originated in India. It used to be thought that they were actually two
> different races, since they differed so much in appearance. (Aryans were
> much lighter-skinned than Dravidians.) But comprehensive genetic testing
> proved that they are in fact the same race. It's just that they had
> differing ideas about what was physically attractive, and they ended up
> breeding for those attractive traits within their respective groups.
>
> Bob
>

One of my friends is light-skinned, her husband Olaf is dark-skinned and
her family was not happy about her choice. Her family did not visit her
for the first 10 years they were married. I don't care who my children
marry, as long as I get grandchildren.

Becca

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Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Janet Baraclough > wrote:
>
> > The message >
> > from "Jinx Minx" > contains these words:
> >
> >
> > > And I find it so interesting that fair skinned caucasians,
> > > especially Americans, go to such great lengths to get darker!
> >
> > That is a fairly recent phenomenon though. Only a hundred years
> > ago, very pale
> > untanned skin denoted high social status symbol among whites;
> > "ladies" still shaded their exposed skin to
> > avoid tanning (or freckles) and powdered it to appear even whiter
> > than they were.
> >
> > Janet.
> >
> >
>
> I see many young women that tan a lot who's skin looks like cured
> leather.
>
> I avoid the sun as much as possible. I'll get my vitamin D in
> capsules. ;-) Both my sister and I freckle if we even attempt a bit
> of sun.
>
> I have no problems keeping my skin tone fair, and neither does she.
> It goes with our Red hair. I even wear a broad brimmed hat when
> gardening.

Skin that fair is very useful in the British Isles and other parts of
Northern Europe.

At least some Neanderthalers were redheads, though it turns out this
isn't due to the same gene as in redheads of our species.

--
Dan Goodman
"I have always depended on the kindness of stranglers."
Tennessee Williams, A Streetcar Named Expire
Journal dsgood.dreamwidth.org (livejournal.com, insanejournal.com)

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Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:

> My fair husband with a family history of German, English, French,
> etc. loves the summer because of how much darker I get. Now that we
> live where there are about 300 days of sun in the year, my former summer
> makeup, for instance, is now my winter makeup. So, DH is pretty happy.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee @ Arabian Knits


I feel pretty lucky to have an olive complexion also, and I tan easily.
I enjoy getting sun and a bit darker as I look and feel better. I don't
go overboard but I love my tan and I try to sit out at least a few
minutes daily just to get some Vit D. In the last few years I start my
tan in January with a cruise to someplace warm, then just keep at it
through the rest of the year. Since I'm often mistaken for being about
10-15 years younger than I am, apparently I've not overdone it and don't
appear "leathery".

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Dan Goodman wrote:

> Skin that fair is very useful in the British Isles and other parts of
> Northern Europe.
>
> At least some Neanderthalers were redheads, though it turns out this
> isn't due to the same gene as in redheads of our species.
>
I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> Dan Goodman wrote:
>
>> Skin that fair is very useful in the British Isles and other parts of
>> Northern Europe.
>>
>> At least some Neanderthalers were redheads, though it turns out this
>> isn't due to the same gene as in redheads of our species.
>>
> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.

I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
specialists do?

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

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ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:

>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>
> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
> specialists do?
>
I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history of
nurses and anesthesia. Its actually pretty darn intersting.
http://www.anesthesia-nursing.com/wina.html

I myself work in trauma critical care and legally administer conscience
sedation, chemical paralytics and sedatives to put patients into
chemically induced comas as well as provide pain medications both during
surgical procedures and afterwards during recovery.

Being a nurse ROCKS... IMO :)

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"Ranée at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Goomba > wrote:
>
>> Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
>>
>> > My fair husband with a family history of German, English, French,
>> > etc. loves the summer because of how much darker I get. Now that we
>> > live where there are about 300 days of sun in the year, my former
>> > summer
>> > makeup, for instance, is now my winter makeup. So, DH is pretty happy.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ranee @ Arabian Knits
>>
>>
>> I feel pretty lucky to have an olive complexion also, and I tan easily.
>> I enjoy getting sun and a bit darker as I look and feel better. I don't
>> go overboard but I love my tan and I try to sit out at least a few
>> minutes daily just to get some Vit D. In the last few years I start my
>> tan in January with a cruise to someplace warm, then just keep at it
>> through the rest of the year. Since I'm often mistaken for being about
>> 10-15 years younger than I am, apparently I've not overdone it and don't
>> appear "leathery".
>
> I think people with darker complexions may not get the sun damage
> quite as easily. Also, the only sunblock we use is mineral sunblock.
> And only if we are going to be in direct sun all day. Most people don't
> realize that there is a risk of skin cancer from the modern sunscreens
> and that it is for the more dangerous form of it. I haven't read the
> references in a while, so people will have to look it up themselves.
> There are plenty of zinc based sunblocks out there, though, for those
> who want sun/uv protection. We try to get at least 20 minutes a day of
> sun for the Vit. D and just elevating our moods.

You all are very lucky! I am fair with blue eyes and I burn very
easily:( I stay out of the sun.

--
--
https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:42:27 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
>>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>>
>> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
>> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
>> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
>> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
>> specialists do?
>>
> I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history of
> nurses and anesthesia.

I rest my case...


--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

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ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:42:27 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>>>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>>>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
>>>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>>>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>>> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
>>> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
>>> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
>>> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
>>> specialists do?
>>>
>> I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history of
>> nurses and anesthesia.
>
> I rest my case...
>
>
awww come on Cathy.. does this mean I'm allowed (by your rules) to use
"we" or not? LOL :)

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Goomba wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:42:27 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>>>>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>>>>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we
>>>>> want
>>>>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try
>>>>> to assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and
>>>>> out.
>>>> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I
>>>> heard you were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to
>>>> study (and go through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an
>>>> anesthesiologist? Or are you intimating that you know more about it
>>>> than the prescribing specialists do?
>>>>
>>> I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history
>>> of nurses and anesthesia.
>>
>> I rest my case...
>>
>>
> awww come on Cathy.. does this mean I'm allowed (by your rules) to use
> "we" or not? LOL :)

Hrrrrumphhhh. Considering We were recently promoted (unbeknownst to Us)
to the position/post/job <delete the inapplicable> of the r.f.c. Cabal
(TINC) Vice President, We will take a moment to look down Our nose at
you and think about it....

No.

Of course, if you disagree with Our decision (TIND) you are welcome to
lodge a complaint with the r.f.c. Cabal (TINC) Board members...

<insert smiley/winking/tongue in cheek emoticon of choice here>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

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On 7/15/2010 2:04 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>> Dan Goodman wrote:
>>
>>> Skin that fair is very useful in the British Isles and other parts of
>>> Northern Europe.
>>>
>>> At least some Neanderthalers were redheads, though it turns out this
>>> isn't due to the same gene as in redheads of our species.
>>>
>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>
> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
> specialists do?

Google "Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist", which has been an area
of specialization for RNs in the US since 1931--more than 30,000 RNs in
the US are licensed to administer anesthesia without consulting with an
anesthesiologist. Also google "Nurse Practitioner", which covers a
range of specializations, many of which involve prescribing medications,
which have open to RNs for more than 40 years.

If you can find "prescribing specialists" who disagree with her on any
point she raised, then do so and present the evidence, but beating her
up based on your personal prejudices concerning nurses says more about
you than it does about her.

And quite frankly it quickly becomes tiresome to read.

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Goomba wrote:

> Dan Goodman wrote:
>
> > Skin that fair is very useful in the British Isles and other parts
> > of Northern Europe.
> >
> > At least some Neanderthalers were redheads, though it turns out this
> > isn't due to the same gene as in redheads of our species.
> >
> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.

Useful genes are like meds -- likely to have less-than-useful side
effects.

--
Dan Goodman
"I have always depended on the kindness of stranglers."
Tennessee Williams, A Streetcar Named Expire
Journal dsgood.dreamwidth.org (livejournal.com, insanejournal.com)

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Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>Are you trying to use that debatable datum to bolster your spurious claim
>that common language implies common genetics?

Common genetics implies a single progenitor who theoretically imparted language
along with genes.

>On second thought, never mind. I'd rather get back to the topic of how much
>better Rick Bayless' cooking is than anything made by Mexican chefs in
>America.

Except that it isn't.

Orlando

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J. Clarke wrote:

> On 7/15/2010 2:04 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:

>>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we
>>> want
>>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>>
>> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard
>> you were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study
>> (and go through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an
>> anesthesiologist? Or are you intimating that you know more about it
>> than the prescribing specialists do?
>
> Google "Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist",

No need, but thanks anyway. Goomba herself provided a link which gave me
the impression that she's not only a "RN" but a "CRNA" (in all 50
states of the USA). I'm slipping up badly - her enthusiasm about golf
tournaments should have made me realize this.
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Cheers
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In article <T4I%n.152943$wi5.90914@hurricane>,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
> > Dan Goodman wrote:
> >
> >> Skin that fair is very useful in the British Isles and other parts of
> >> Northern Europe.
> >>
> >> At least some Neanderthalers were redheads, though it turns out this
> >> isn't due to the same gene as in redheads of our species.
> >>
> > I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
> > bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
> > 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
> > assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>
> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
> specialists do?

I suspect she is a nurse anesthetist.

I had a rather good one during a surgical procedure recently. (Late
January). I was glad he was that good. Diprivan are good shtuff, if he
paid attention! I regained consciousness once.... but not for long.
Soon as he saw my eyes open, he hit the plunger into my IV.

Don't underestimate her value. I won't, even tho' I don't get along
with her.

I just hope that she is as good as the one I had was, and is not
spiteful professionally.
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Peace! Om

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In article <QRI%n.152946$wi5.106831@hurricane>,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:42:27 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
> > ChattyCathy wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
> >
> >>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
> >>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
> >>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
> >>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
> >>
> >> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard you
> >> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and go
> >> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist? Or
> >> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
> >> specialists do?
> >>
> > I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history of
> > nurses and anesthesia.
>
> I rest my case...

Sorry CC, but I think that, as much as I respect you, you missed the
boat on this one. Nurse Anesthetists are very valuable personnel, and
much less expensive than Anethesiologist (MD's) are.

And MD's are not warranted for simple procedures such as endoscopies,
C-sections and some imaging procedures.

I may not like Goomba, but that does not preclude my respecting her
speciality. If she is good at her job... she is worth her salt.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article <QRI%n.152946$wi5.106831@hurricane>,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:42:27 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>>
>> > ChattyCathy wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>> >
>> >>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>> >>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
>> >>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>> >>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>> >>
>> >> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard
>> >> you
>> >> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and
>> >> go
>> >> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist?
>> >> Or
>> >> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
>> >> specialists do?
>> >>
>> > I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history of
>> > nurses and anesthesia.
>>
>> I rest my case...
>
> Sorry CC, but I think that, as much as I respect you, you missed the
> boat on this one. Nurse Anesthetists are very valuable personnel, and
> much less expensive than Anethesiologist (MD's) are.
>
> And MD's are not warranted for simple procedures such as endoscopies,
> C-sections and some imaging procedures.
>
> I may not like Goomba, but that does not preclude my respecting her
> speciality. If she is good at her job... she is worth her salt.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
> Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food
> groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section. They cannot
be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a "simple
procedure". They are considered major surgery.

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:52:15 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> I think she was just talking about the anesthesia, not the surgery.
>Ours have always been MDs, though.

I think she was also talking about outpatient surgery... scoping out a
bad knee, for example.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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Omelet wrote:

>
> Sorry CC, but I think that, as much as I respect you, you missed the
> boat on this one.

The fact that I must have "missed the boat on this one" has already been
established (and the suspicion you mentioned in another post that she's
a nurse anesthetist appears to be correct)...

However, I don't recall Goomba posting about the fact that she's a CRNA
here before (which, of course doesn't mean she hasn't) - hence my "last
I heard" comment.

> Nurse Anesthetists are very valuable personnel,

Did I say they weren't?

> and much less expensive than Anethesiologist (MD's) are.

Doesn't surprise me. I suppose those Anesthesiologist (MDs) have bigger
study loans to pay off...

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

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In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry CC, but I think that, as much as I respect you, you missed the
> > boat on this one.
>
> The fact that I must have "missed the boat on this one" has already been
> established (and the suspicion you mentioned in another post that she's
> a nurse anesthetist appears to be correct)...
>
> However, I don't recall Goomba posting about the fact that she's a CRNA
> here before (which, of course doesn't mean she hasn't) - hence my "last
> I heard" comment.
>
> > Nurse Anesthetists are very valuable personnel,
>
> Did I say they weren't?
>
> > and much less expensive than Anethesiologist (MD's) are.
>
> Doesn't surprise me. I suppose those Anesthesiologist (MDs) have bigger
> study loans to pay off...

Likely. ;-)

But she's posted in the past that she is a nurse anesthetist.
Having been at the mercy of one recently, I have to concede...
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Peace! Om

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Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

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Jinx Minx wrote:
>
> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Jinx Minx" > wrote:
>>
>>> An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section.
>>> They cannot
>>> be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a
>>> "simple
>>> procedure". They are considered major surgery.
>>
>> I think she was just talking about the anesthesia, not the surgery.
>> Ours have always been MDs, though.

>
> You're probably right, but the way it was written was slightly
> questionable. It almost sounded to me like she had migrated from
> anethesia to practicing
> medicine in general and who can do what. Having had a C-section in
> the
> past, my radar went off immediately. LOL

FWIW, when I had a C-section my gynecologist was in attendance, but
another surgeon "assisted" with the procedure - and the (epidural)
anesthetic was administered by an anesthesiologist (also an MD - not a
CRNA). Oh, and not to forget the pediatrician who was there to perform
that '10 point test' (or whatever it's called) on my newborn infant.

Must admit that the (good ol' South African) food I was served during my
3-day hospital stay after the birth was pretty good, tho'. But seeing
as how they charged about the same rates as a five star hotel, I should
damn well hope so <laugh>

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Cheers
Chatty Cathy