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ChattyCathy wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/2010 2:04 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>>>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>>>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we
>>>> want
>>>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>>>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>>> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard
>>> you were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study
>>> (and go through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an
>>> anesthesiologist? Or are you intimating that you know more about it
>>> than the prescribing specialists do?
>> Google "Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist",
>
> No need, but thanks anyway. Goomba herself provided a link which gave me
> the impression that she's not only a "RN" but a "CRNA" (in all 50
> states of the USA). I'm slipping up badly - her enthusiasm about golf
> tournaments should have made me realize this.

Wait... I *am* an RN, certified in Critical Care specializing in Trauma.
(I am *not* a CRNA but was providing those links to show you that its
not only doctors (MD/DO/MSSC) who provide anesthesia!) I didn't mean to
mislead you. I've never claimed to be a CRNA.

In my scope of practice I most certainly do "put people down" with
chemical paralytics, sedatives and narcotics to induce conscience
sedation all the way to chemical comas. This requires specialized
knowledge and skill tweaking the drugs. Trauma and Burn patients are
often kept in a suspended consciousness for weeks at a time to allow
maximum healing and hopefully some amnesia of the horrible events that
precipitated all this. I'm not just running drips of drugs at one
prescribed rate but am responsible for titrating the drugs and drips
based on minute to minute responses and the MD relies on my judgment in
doing whatever needs to be done to keep that patient in the desired
state the MD has ordered- alive, awake to drowsy to comatose, fully able
to move all the way to paralyzed with vecuronium or other such fun drugs
which make a person so paralyzed they can't even blink; to changing the
pain/sedatives/paralytic drugs based on something as labile as the
pressure in the brain <which I also have to test>. So we work as a team
and also more independently than a majority of hospital RNs do.

At my bedside the surgeon may come and set pins in bones, drill skulls
open, reopen up a surgical chest or a belly right there because the
patient is too unstable to go to the OR. I better know what I'm doing, huh?
So, my continuing education included the research that redheads are
often more difficult to sedate and get necessary pain control without
some alterations in the "recipe".

Golf is just the bonus I get :)

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Goomba wrote:
>
> So, my continuing education included the research that redheads are
> often more difficult to sedate and get necessary pain control without
> some alterations in the "recipe".

Earlier there was a suggestion that red hair in neanderthals was caused
by a different gene than red hair in anotomically modern humans. Might
it be a shared genetic trait instead? There are estimates that modern
Europeans have a percentage of neanderthal genetic source, possibly as
high as 4-5%. That might include the red hair gene.

Neanderthal cooking - They used fire. ;^)

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ChattyCathy wrote:
Oh, and not to forget the pediatrician who was there to perform
> that '10 point test' (or whatever it's called) on my newborn infant.

Apgar

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

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Jinx Minx wrote:
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <QRI%n.152946$wi5.106831@hurricane>,
> > ChattyCathy > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:42:27 -0400, Goomba wrote:
> >>
> >> > ChattyCathy wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
> >> >>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we want
> >> >>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
> >> >>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard
> >> >> you
> >> >> were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study (and
> >> >> go
> >> >> through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an anesthesiologist?
> >> >> Or
> >> >> are you intimating that you know more about it than the prescribing
> >> >> specialists do?
> >> >>
> >> > I saved you the trouble and did a fast Google search on the history of
> >> > nurses and anesthesia.
> >>
> >> I rest my case...
> >
> > Sorry CC, but I think that, as much as I respect you, you missed the
> > boat on this one. Nurse Anesthetists are very valuable personnel, and
> > much less expensive than Anethesiologist (MD's) are.
> >
> > And MD's are not warranted for simple procedures such as endoscopies,
> > C-sections and some imaging procedures.
> >
> > I may not like Goomba, but that does not preclude my respecting her
> > speciality. If she is good at her job... she is worth her salt.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> > Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
> > Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food
> > groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine
>
> An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section. They cannot
> be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a "simple
> procedure". They are considered major surgery.



Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
mother and baby face certain death.

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On 7/15/2010 5:36 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/2010 2:04 PM, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:43:42 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>>>> I find it interesting that we now know that redheads (natural, not
>>>> bottle) require more anesthesia and pain control to get where we
>>>> want
>>>> 'em in surgery. So it is a genetic glitch for them and one I try to
>>>> assess for when administering those meds to bring 'em down and out.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I'm amused by your use of the word 'we'; last I heard
>>> you were a RN... So, pray tell, when did you find the time to study
>>> (and go through an internship) to become a surgeon and/or an
>>> anesthesiologist? Or are you intimating that you know more about it
>>> than the prescribing specialists do?
>>
>> Google "Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist",
>
> No need, but thanks anyway. Goomba herself provided a link which gave me
> the impression that she's not only a "RN" but a "CRNA" (in all 50
> states of the USA). I'm slipping up badly - her enthusiasm about golf
> tournaments should have made me realize this.

A CRNA in one state is a CRNA in all of them, the certifications are
administered by a national board. What she is licensed to do in any
given state is another story.

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Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Goomba wrote:
> >
> > So, my continuing education included the research that redheads are
> > often more difficult to sedate and get necessary pain control
> > without some alterations in the "recipe".
>
> Earlier there was a suggestion that red hair in neanderthals was
> caused by a different gene than red hair in anotomically modern
> humans.

What I said is that it WAS caused by a different gene. As of the
latest reports from the relevant experts.

Might it be a shared genetic trait instead?

Might be, but it isn't.

There are
> estimates that modern Europeans have a percentage of neanderthal
> genetic source, possibly as high as 4-5%.

I'm waiting for Black Supremacists to make public comments on that....

> That might include the red
> hair gene.



> Neanderthal cooking - They used fire. ;^)



--
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"I have always depended on the kindness of stranglers."
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On 7/16/2010 8:46 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Goomba wrote:
>>>
>>> So, my continuing education included the research that redheads are
>>> often more difficult to sedate and get necessary pain control
>>> without some alterations in the "recipe".
>>
>> Earlier there was a suggestion that red hair in neanderthals was
>> caused by a different gene than red hair in anotomically modern
>> humans.
>
> What I said is that it WAS caused by a different gene. As of the
> latest reports from the relevant experts.
>
> Might it be a shared genetic trait instead?
>
> Might be, but it isn't.

Bear in mind that some of the folks here may not be aware that most of
the neanderthal genome has been sequenced, so their genetic makeup is no
longer a matter of conjecture.

> There are
>> estimates that modern Europeans have a percentage of neanderthal
>> genetic source, possibly as high as 4-5%.
>
> I'm waiting for Black Supremacists to make public comments on that....
>
>> That might include the red
>> hair gene.
>
>
>
>> Neanderthal cooking - They used fire. ;^)
>
>
>

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In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> > An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section. They cannot
> > be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a "simple
> > procedure". They are considered major surgery.
>
>
>
> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
> mother and baby face certain death.

Excellent point...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
>> > An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section. They
>> > cannot
>> > be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a
>> > "simple
>> > procedure". They are considered major surgery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
>> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
>> mother and baby face certain death.
>
> Excellent point...
> --
> Peace! Om
>


A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly trained,
especially in third world countries. My point wasn't that midwives
*shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*. If I was in a third
world country and didn't have a choice, that would be a different story.
Regardless of who performs them, they are not the "simple procedure" Om
claims they are.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:52:54 -0400, Goomba wrote:


> Wait... I *am* an RN, certified in Critical Care specializing in Trauma.
> (I am *not* a CRNA but was providing those links to show you that its
> not only doctors (MD/DO/MSSC) who provide anesthesia!) I didn't mean to
> mislead you. I've never claimed to be a CRNA.

Ah. Didn't recall you claiming to be one either - but then I don't read
every post made to this group, so I could easily have missed it.


> In my scope of practice I most certainly do "put people down" with
> chemical paralytics, sedatives and narcotics to induce conscience
> sedation all the way to chemical comas. This requires specialized
> knowledge and skill tweaking the drugs. Trauma and Burn patients are
> often kept in a suspended consciousness for weeks at a time to allow
> maximum healing and hopefully some amnesia of the horrible events that
> precipitated all this. I'm not just running drips of drugs at one
> prescribed rate but am responsible for titrating the drugs and drips
> based on minute to minute responses and the MD relies on my judgment in
> doing whatever needs to be done to keep that patient in the desired
> state the MD has ordered- alive, awake to drowsy to comatose, fully able
> to move all the way to paralyzed with vecuronium or other such fun drugs
> which make a person so paralyzed they can't even blink; to changing the
> pain/sedatives/paralytic drugs based on something as labile as the
> pressure in the brain <which I also have to test>. So we work as a team
> and also more independently than a majority of hospital RNs do.
>
> At my bedside the surgeon may come and set pins in bones, drill skulls
> open, reopen up a surgical chest or a belly right there because the
> patient is too unstable to go to the OR. I better know what I'm doing,
> huh? So, my continuing education included the research that redheads are
> often more difficult to sedate and get necessary pain control without
> some alterations in the "recipe".

I understand the very important role that you (and other RNs out there)
play, so there's actually no need to justify what you do and list all the
valuable experience and/or skills you have acquired during the course of
your career to me.

However, posts to Usenet aren't always interpreted exactly as the poster
intended them to be (don't I know this), so when you said "we now know
that redheads (natural, not bottle) require more anesthesia and pain
control to get where we want 'em in surgery." it gave the me impression
that somewhere along the line you either must have studied further and
become a qualified anesthetist/anesthesiologist (or maybe even a surgeon),
or that you had accidentally "grabbed the boss's cap" when donning your
work attire. Obviously my impressions were wrong...

> Golf is just the bonus I get :)

Old local joke he if there's a medical emergency on a Wednesday
afternoon and you're trying to get hold of your MD, dentist (or any other
kind of medical practitioner), just call his/her Golf Club and s/he is
bound to be there ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

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Jinx Minx wrote:
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Arri London >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> > An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section. They
> >> > cannot
> >> > be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a
> >> > "simple
> >> > procedure". They are considered major surgery.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
> >> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
> >> mother and baby face certain death.
> >
> > Excellent point...
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
>
> A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly trained,
> especially in third world countries.

They are sufficiently trained that both mother and baby survive and
thrive. Don't forget that C-sections have been done by non MDs for
centuries, often with good outcomes.


My point wasn't that midwives
> *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*.

But there isn't much reason for them not to.

>If I was in a third
> world country and didn't have a choice, that would be a different story.
> Regardless of who performs them, they are not the "simple procedure" Om
> claims they are.

It's not the world's most difficult or demanding surgery either. Simple
is relative when it comes to surgery.

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"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jinx Minx wrote:
>>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, Arri London >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> > An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section.
>> >> > They
>> >> > cannot
>> >> > be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a
>> >> > "simple
>> >> > procedure". They are considered major surgery.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
>> >> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
>> >> mother and baby face certain death.
>> >
>> > Excellent point...
>> > --
>> > Peace! Om
>> >
>>
>> A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly
>> trained,
>> especially in third world countries.
>
> They are sufficiently trained that both mother and baby survive and
> thrive. Don't forget that C-sections have been done by non MDs for
> centuries, often with good outcomes.

I'm well aware, and I'm not in any way, shape or form stating that they
shouldn't.

>
> My point wasn't that midwives
>> *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*.
>
> But there isn't much reason for them not to.

{{snip}}

I never said otherwise.

None-the-less, they are considered "major" surgery -- not outpatient. Om is
the one that relegated them down to nothing. I'm not purporting that
they're equivalent to brain surgery, just that they're certainly more
serious than routine radiology exams and endoscopies. Just because they're
common and have been done for centuries doesn't make them easy and
un-demanding. Have you ever had one? Or better yet, performed one?

To go back to my original post: Om's post made it sound as if she was
saying that midwives perform C-sections here in the U.S. I only responded
to that to say that no, they don't. M.D.'s have to do them. Not because
midwives don't have the capability, but because that's legally how it is
here. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Jinx

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In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> Jinx Minx wrote:
> >
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, Arri London >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> > An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section. They
> > >> > cannot
> > >> > be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a
> > >> > "simple
> > >> > procedure". They are considered major surgery.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
> > >> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
> > >> mother and baby face certain death.
> > >
> > > Excellent point...
> > > --
> > > Peace! Om
> > >
> >
> > A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly trained,
> > especially in third world countries.
>
> They are sufficiently trained that both mother and baby survive and
> thrive. Don't forget that C-sections have been done by non MDs for
> centuries, often with good outcomes.
>
>
> My point wasn't that midwives
> > *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*.
>
> But there isn't much reason for them not to.
>
> >If I was in a third
> > world country and didn't have a choice, that would be a different story.
> > Regardless of who performs them, they are not the "simple procedure" Om
> > claims they are.
>
> It's not the world's most difficult or demanding surgery either. Simple
> is relative when it comes to surgery.

Jinx is belittling Goomba's most excellent skills... which I was
defending despite my dislike of her food snobbishness. ;-)
I may not like her as a person, but as a professional, I respect her.

Jinx has no skills in either area so has no basis to judge.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

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"Omelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
>> Jinx Minx wrote:
>> >
>> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > In article >, Arri London
>> > > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> > An MD is absolutely warranted (and required) to do a C-section.
>> > >> > They
>> > >> > cannot
>> > >> > be done by midwives or nurse-midwives. C-sections are also not a
>> > >> > "simple
>> > >> > procedure". They are considered major surgery.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
>> > >> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
>> > >> mother and baby face certain death.
>> > >
>> > > Excellent point...
>> > > --
>> > > Peace! Om
>> > >
>> >
>> > A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly
>> > trained,
>> > especially in third world countries.
>>
>> They are sufficiently trained that both mother and baby survive and
>> thrive. Don't forget that C-sections have been done by non MDs for
>> centuries, often with good outcomes.
>>
>>
>> My point wasn't that midwives
>> > *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*.
>>
>> But there isn't much reason for them not to.
>>
>> >If I was in a third
>> > world country and didn't have a choice, that would be a different
>> > story.
>> > Regardless of who performs them, they are not the "simple procedure" Om
>> > claims they are.
>>
>> It's not the world's most difficult or demanding surgery either. Simple
>> is relative when it comes to surgery.
>
> Jinx is belittling Goomba's most excellent skills... which I was
> defending despite my dislike of her food snobbishness. ;-)
> I may not like her as a person, but as a professional, I respect her.
>
> Jinx has no skills in either area so has no basis to judge.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
> Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food
> groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

What the hell does Goomba have to do with this? I'm not belittling anything
nor anyone, least of all Goomba. It was only a few short weeks ago you were
the one belittling nurses and I was the one defending them. So go ****
yourself, clueless dumbass.

Jinx

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Jinx Minx wrote:
>
> "Arri London" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Jinx Minx wrote:
<snip>

> >> >> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
> >> >> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or let
> >> >> mother and baby face certain death.
> >> >
> >> > Excellent point...
> >> > --
> >> > Peace! Om
> >> >
> >>
> >> A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly
> >> trained,
> >> especially in third world countries.
> >
> > They are sufficiently trained that both mother and baby survive and
> > thrive. Don't forget that C-sections have been done by non MDs for
> > centuries, often with good outcomes.
>
> I'm well aware, and I'm not in any way, shape or form stating that they
> shouldn't.
>
> >
> > My point wasn't that midwives
> >> *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*.
> >
> > But there isn't much reason for them not to.
>
> {{snip}}
>
> I never said otherwise.
>
> None-the-less, they are considered "major" surgery -- not outpatient. Om is
> the one that relegated them down to nothing. I'm not purporting that
> they're equivalent to brain surgery, just that they're certainly more
> serious than routine radiology exams and endoscopies. Just because they're
> common and have been done for centuries doesn't make them easy and
> un-demanding. Have you ever had one? Or better yet, performed one?

As to having had one, that would be interesting in the extreme LOL. But
I have no doubt I could perform one if the proper training were given.
I've done enough animal surgery as part of my research work.

Overall, a well-trained midwife would do a better C-section than a
first-year surgical resident who has no experience. Yet it's the
residents who get to practise :)

>
> To go back to my original post: Om's post made it sound as if she was
> saying that midwives perform C-sections here in the U.S. I only responded
> to that to say that no, they don't. M.D.'s have to do them. Not because
> midwives don't have the capability, but because that's legally how it is
> here. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> Jinx

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"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jinx Minx wrote:
>>
>> "Arri London" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > Jinx Minx wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> >> >> Yet in the poorest parts of the world, highly-trained midwives do
>> >> >> C-sections. There aren't enough trained physicians. It's that or
>> >> >> let
>> >> >> mother and baby face certain death.
>> >> >
>> >> > Excellent point...
>> >> > --
>> >> > Peace! Om
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly
>> >> trained,
>> >> especially in third world countries.
>> >
>> > They are sufficiently trained that both mother and baby survive and
>> > thrive. Don't forget that C-sections have been done by non MDs for
>> > centuries, often with good outcomes.
>>
>> I'm well aware, and I'm not in any way, shape or form stating that they
>> shouldn't.
>>
>> >
>> > My point wasn't that midwives
>> >> *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*.
>> >
>> > But there isn't much reason for them not to.
>>
>> {{snip}}
>>
>> I never said otherwise.
>>
>> None-the-less, they are considered "major" surgery -- not outpatient. Om
>> is
>> the one that relegated them down to nothing. I'm not purporting that
>> they're equivalent to brain surgery, just that they're certainly more
>> serious than routine radiology exams and endoscopies. Just because
>> they're
>> common and have been done for centuries doesn't make them easy and
>> un-demanding. Have you ever had one? Or better yet, performed one?
>
> As to having had one, that would be interesting in the extreme LOL. But
> I have no doubt I could perform one if the proper training were given.
> I've done enough animal surgery as part of my research work.

> Overall, a well-trained midwife would do a better C-section than a
> first-year surgical resident who has no experience. Yet it's the
> residents who get to practise :)
>
{{snip}}

I wouldn't disagree with that! That being said, as a general rule, and as
someone that has actually had one, I would have to say that given the choice
between a well-experienced midwife and an equally well-experienced C-section
surgeon, I'd take the surgeon any day. Even in the pre-planned,
non-emergency route. Sure, they're commonplace as far as surgery goes, but
you never know when something unexpected is going to happen, and when it
does, I'd much rather have someone attending to me that knows things beyond
the womb. A midwife, no matter how experienced, isn't going to have that.
I'm also talking regular midwives, not advanced degree nurse-midwives. If
our laws here were to change and midwives were to be licensed to perform
them -- more power to them. It's any woman's right to choose how she wants
to deliver (and I fully support that), but I'd still be choosing the
experienced obstetrician.

Jinx

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:57:34 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> It's true, when I've gone in, the baby was out in less than 10
> minutes, five when there wasn't a complication, as there was with the
> first c-section. It's the sewing up afterward that takes the most time.
> It took more time to get my spinal block set up properly than it did to
> get the baby out.


Have you had that baby yet?

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

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Jinx wrote:

> A lot of those "highly trained midwives" probably aren't so highly
> trained, especially in third world countries. My point wasn't that
> midwives *shouldn't*, only that here in the U.S. they *don't*. If I was
> in a third world country and didn't have a choice, that would be a
> different story. Regardless of who performs them, they are not the "simple
> procedure" Om claims they are.

What are you saying? Who could POSSIBLY be better to assess the complexity
of a surgical procedure than a lab tech? Are you saying that our resident
pipette monkey does NOT have the expertise to give medical advice like that?

Bob

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"Ranee at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:57:34 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > It's true, when I've gone in, the baby was out in less than 10
>> > minutes, five when there wasn't a complication, as there was with the
>> > first c-section. It's the sewing up afterward that takes the most
>> > time.
>> > It took more time to get my spinal block set up properly than it did to
>> > get the baby out.
>>
>>
>> Have you had that baby yet?
>
> A month still. :-)

Oooh do keep us informed:)))
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
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> I know nothing about it but will check google... I knew my new boss was
> mid-eastern but only finally worked up the nerve to ask him where he was
> from today during casual conversation in the break room. He is Iranian
> and so is one of the new intake techs. :-)
>
Levine
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A spice that MIGHT be used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asafoetida

One of my former bosses might have been Iranian also.

Robert Miles