On Jun 30, 5:00*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On 6/30/2010 1:24 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in
> >>> this regard because the water is purged daily but this means your
> >>> facet is going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
>
> >> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
> > How do your like your faucet? I'm going to need one in a short while -
> > would you recommend that model? Thanks.
>
> I do like it, it's a Delta faucet. *Mines's a one hole faucet, I don't
> recommend that, but it depends on the sink, obviously. *This is
> what I have:
>
> http://www.deltafaucet.com/kitchen/d...0-WE-DST.html*
>

Holy cow -- my Delta faucet was only $50 when I bought it. Of course
it was the basic model.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 2:00 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I do like it, it's a Delta faucet. Mines's a one hole faucet, I don't
>> recommend that, but it depends on the sink, obviously. This is
>> what I have:
>> http://www.deltafaucet.com/kitchen/d...70-WE-DST.html

> Thanks for the info. We currently have a one hole sink and some kind
> of European style faucet which I like it a lot but we're gonna re-do
> the kitchen so it's going. Mostly, I want a hi-clearance type faucet
> but the my wife has the final say in this.

My previous was a gooseneck faucet, I do like the way that
looks. I wouldn't choose a one hole sink again as my last faucet
wore out because of twisting issues ... when the faucet has more
than one hole supporting it, you don't have to worry about that.

> As far as the re-do goes, I don't
> have a strong opinion on anything - things go a lot smoother that
> way. :-)

Smart! Heh. It's easier if one person has the vision, but it's nice
to get a second opinion, too. Have fun with the remodel.

nancy

On 2010-07-01, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> Ha, I didn't notice the price. I don't remember what I paid maybe
> 5 years ago, but it wasn't that much. Googling around, I see it can
> be had for less.

You can go dirt cheap or totally insane. I put in a single-handle
gooseneck I got on sale marked down from $80 to $50. I was just
looking on the web at Kohler faucets... holy crap! How about $3K for
a bathrom faucet? Not even gold.

nb

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 02:51:28 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-07-01, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>
>> Ha, I didn't notice the price. I don't remember what I paid maybe
>> 5 years ago, but it wasn't that much. Googling around, I see it can
>> be had for less.
>
>You can go dirt cheap or totally insane. I put in a single-handle
>gooseneck I got on sale marked down from $80 to $50. I was just
>looking on the web at Kohler faucets... holy crap! How about $3K for
>a bathrom faucet? Not even gold.

I have a Kohler on each bathroom sink, only cost $200 each... I got
tired of having to constantly change the guts in the other brands...
American Standard and Delta are crap... even though they give a
lifetime free guts replacement warranty who wants to live with a
faucet that can only go like 4 months and it begins to drip, and then
they don't rush about sending the new parts, takes like two weeks...
and then it's a two person job to put in the new guts because it takes
two people to flush out the schmutz. My Kohlers are in nearly 7 years
now and not any problems, they're made to last and they look nice.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 02:51:28 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-07-01, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>
>> Ha, I didn't notice the price. I don't remember what I paid maybe
>> 5 years ago, but it wasn't that much. Googling around, I see it can
>> be had for less.
>
>You can go dirt cheap or totally insane. I put in a single-handle
>gooseneck I got on sale marked down from $80 to $50. I was just
>looking on the web at Kohler faucets... holy crap! How about $3K for
>a bathrom faucet? Not even gold.
>
>nb

Do a google on Sherle Wagner. Just the old ads are going for 5-10
bucks. A used sink can bring 10 grand or more. I know someone who
had two and got $9800 each. High end light fixtures can be just as
crazy.

Lou

On 6/30/2010 3:44 PM, Goomba wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info. We currently have a one hole sink and some kind
>> of European style faucet which I like it a lot but we're gonna re-do
>> the kitchen so it's going. Mostly, I want a hi-clearance type faucet
>> but the my wife has the final say in this. As far as the re-do goes, I
>> don't have a strong opinion on anything - things go a lot smoother
>> that way. :-)
>
> In case it is of any value to you- Consumer Reports just published their
> yearly Kitchen Remodel issue. It is full of useful tips and ratings.

Thanks for the tip - I need all the help I can get. :-)

notbob wrote:
> I just made an amazing discovery. One that will go down in the annals
> of notbob history as the single most useful, perfect, stupendously
> amazing device in the whole kitchen.
That's so sad

On 6/30/2010 4:42 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 6/30/2010 2:00 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I do like it, it's a Delta faucet. Mines's a one hole faucet, I don't
>>> recommend that, but it depends on the sink, obviously. This is
>>> what I have:
>>> http://www.deltafaucet.com/kitchen/d...70-WE-DST.html
>
>> Thanks for the info. We currently have a one hole sink and some kind
>> of European style faucet which I like it a lot but we're gonna re-do
>> the kitchen so it's going. Mostly, I want a hi-clearance type faucet
>> but the my wife has the final say in this.
>
> My previous was a gooseneck faucet, I do like the way that looks. I
> wouldn't choose a one hole sink again as my last faucet
> wore out because of twisting issues ... when the faucet has more
> than one hole supporting it, you don't have to worry about that.

Good point, I'll have to keep the mounting design in mind.

>> As far as the re-do goes, I don't have a strong opinion on anything -
>> things go a lot smoother that
>> way. :-)
>
> Smart! Heh. It's easier if one person has the vision, but it's nice
> to get a second opinion, too. Have fun with the remodel.

The guy designing the cabinets is getting impatient with us trying to
get it all worked out. That's an odd attitude cause one mistake and
everybody's screwed. Looks like I'm gonna be at his office again
tomorrow. Hopefully, the fun will begin soon...

>
> nancy

On 6/30/2010 6:24 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in this
>> regard because the water is purged daily but this means your facet is
>> going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
>
> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
>
> nancy

Ours is stainless steel and has the integral sprayer, which is also
stainless steel. It's great.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 3:44 PM, Goomba wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the info. We currently have a one hole sink and some kind
>>> of European style faucet which I like it a lot but we're gonna re-do
>>> the kitchen so it's going. Mostly, I want a hi-clearance type faucet
>>> but the my wife has the final say in this. As far as the re-do goes, I
>>> don't have a strong opinion on anything - things go a lot smoother
>>> that way. :-)
>>
>> In case it is of any value to you- Consumer Reports just published their
>> yearly Kitchen Remodel issue. It is full of useful tips and ratings.
>
> Thanks for the tip - I need all the help I can get. :-)

I am just coming to the end of a kitchen makeover at the new
house. Anyone contemplating that is... brave. My best
realization occurred when it was totally gutted--that it could
only improve from that point on. Good luck!

--
Jean B.

dsi1 wrote:
[snip]
> The guy designing the cabinets is getting impatient with us trying to
> get it all worked out. That's an odd attitude cause one mistake and
> everybody's screwed. Looks like I'm gonna be at his office again
> tomorrow. Hopefully, the fun will begin soon...
>
Yes, and yes. You are wise. You cannot check measurements etc.
too many times. Our kitchen designer made some tiny
mistakes--which led to some finagling. Yesterday the counters
were to be installed. One piece was too large (easy to rectify)
and one had the hole for the sink in the wrong place--which is
going to involve and unorthodox fix. Also, a piece that was
supposed to have the "character" toward the front (where it would
be visible) does not.

The moral of the story: check, check, check (even when you are
dealing with pros). Also keep an eye on things as they are being
installed so you can detect problems before they cannot be
corrected (or it would be MUCH to disruptive and add way too much
time to correct them).

--
Jean B.

dsi1 wrote:
[snip]
> The guy designing the cabinets is getting impatient with us trying to
> get it all worked out. That's an odd attitude cause one mistake and
> everybody's screwed. Looks like I'm gonna be at his office again
> tomorrow. Hopefully, the fun will begin soon...
>
Oh, ps... As far as appliances go, the measurements appear to be
approximate. Verify them to the tiniest fraction of an inch.
(You can generally find this information online if you dig into
the files.) For example, if you are told you have 30 inches for
the width of the oven, that is actually not 30 inches--and the
30-inch oven offerings are not exactly 30 inches either.

--
Jean B.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:10:41 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>On 6/30/2010 6:24 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in this
>>> regard because the water is purged daily but this means your facet is
>>> going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
>>
>> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
>>
>> nancy
>
>Ours is stainless steel and has the integral sprayer, which is also
>stainless steel. It's great.

My kitchen faucet has the integrel sprayer too, it's all metal but the
face of the sprayer is some sort of rubbery-plastic, saves from
chipping breakables, I like it... it's a Moen. I pull out the sprayer
often, when rinsing the sink and is very handy when washing large
items that wouldn't easily fit under the spigot otherwise, like the
fridge veggie bins... it's like having a garden hose indoors.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:10:41 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

> On 6/30/2010 6:24 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in this
> >> regard because the water is purged daily but this means your facet is
> >> going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
> >
> > My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Ours is stainless steel and has the integral sprayer, which is also
> stainless steel. It's great.

Integral sprayer means what? If you're talking about the faucet *is*
the sprayer, stay as far away from those things as you can. Go to a
big box store and look at theirs because they get a lot of use from
people trying them out. The lines are shortened because they don't
retract properly in no time flat. The old fashioned type with
separate faucet and sprayer will give you the least amount of
problems. Having installed my first ever soap pump and having a seam
on it die in the first month has totally turned me off to that idea in
the future. Does anyone put in those instant hot water spigots
anymore?

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> I just made an amazing discovery. One that will go down in the annals
> of notbob history as the single most useful, perfect, stupendously
> amazing device in the whole kitchen. I'm speaking, of course, of that
> sprayer thingie next to the faucet. Who knew!?

<rolls eyes> I'll pray for you, nb.


--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
On June 25, celebrating 65 years of joy and wonder. I got the joy
while everyone else wondered.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:36:59 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>[snip]
>> The guy designing the cabinets is getting impatient with us trying to
>> get it all worked out. That's an odd attitude cause one mistake and
>> everybody's screwed. Looks like I'm gonna be at his office again
>> tomorrow. Hopefully, the fun will begin soon...
>>
>Yes, and yes. You are wise. You cannot check measurements etc.
>too many times. Our kitchen designer made some tiny
>mistakes--which led to some finagling. Yesterday the counters
>were to be installed. One piece was too large (easy to rectify)
>and one had the hole for the sink in the wrong place--which is
>going to involve and unorthodox fix. Also, a piece that was
>supposed to have the "character" toward the front (where it would
>be visible) does not.
>
>The moral of the story: check, check, check (even when you are
>dealing with pros). Also keep an eye on things as they are being
>installed so you can detect problems before they cannot be
>corrected (or it would be MUCH to disruptive and add way too much
>time to correct them).

The last kitchen remodel I did was in a greystone 6 flat built in
about 1920. It was a total gut and we took it down to the brick and
made new walls. When we had final dimensions a pro and an interior
designer put the cabinet layout together. Somehow they plugged in the
wrong fridge size and it was 3 inches to narrow. So they got a new
fridge because a new upper cabinet was a six week wait and the one
there was already drilled. The new one was shorter and there was now
a gap between it and the cabinet that looked like crap. There were
side panels to make a chase for the fridge to slide into. The only
way to fix it was to take everything down and shorten the panels.
It's not the easiest thing to do in the field without splintering the
wood. The owner, cabinet designer and interior designer all blamed
each other but in the end the owner had to eat over 20 hours of labor.
The hot water heater for the flat had to go inside a cabinet in the
kitchen. They thought they had it all worked out but of course it
didn't fit to we had to take a cabinet apart and rebuilt it to make it
work. It needed to be deeper and taller. That was about another 20
hours of labor because the plumbing rough-in had to be modified.

Mistakes can be expensive.

Lou

The wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:47:58 -0500:

>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are
>>> better in this regard because the water is purged daily but
>>> this means your facet is going to be made of plastic. That's
>>> the breaks.
>>
>> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
>>
>> nancy

> The one in the house we bought is plastic. It is almost 20
> years old and the rubber "thingie" that changes the water from
> spray to stream is not working right. Once it is in spray
> mode, it takes several pushes to get it back to stream.
> Drives me nuts. I am looking at faucets now and I want
> separate. --
> Susan N.

I'd say you've done quite well with a "plastic" faucet and I wouldn't
call its performance meriting a separate sprayer but enjoy the change if
your sink has sufficient apertures. I took the opposite path myself.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

The Cook wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:24:48 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in
>>> this regard because the water is purged daily but this means your
>>> facet is going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
>>
>> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.

> The one in the house we bought is plastic. It is almost 20 years old
> and the rubber "thingie" that changes the water from spray to stream
> is not working right. Once it is in spray mode, it takes several
> pushes to get it back to stream. Drives me nuts. I am looking at
> faucets now and I want separate.

Twenty years is a long time for a faucet like that, I think. But
I'm not trying to convince anyone to get some all-in-one sprayer
faucet, I didn't have a choice. Just noting that they do come in
metal, not just plastic.

nancy

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:24:48 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>
>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in this
>> regard because the water is purged daily but this means your facet is
>> going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
>
>My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
>
>nancy

The one in the house we bought is plastic. It is almost 20 years old
and the rubber "thingie" that changes the water from spray to stream
is not working right. Once it is in spray mode, it takes several
pushes to get it back to stream. Drives me nuts. I am looking at
faucets now and I want separate.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:36:59 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>> The moral of the story: check, check, check (even when you are
>> dealing with pros). Also keep an eye on things as they are being
>> installed so you can detect problems before they cannot be
>> corrected (or it would be MUCH to disruptive and add way too much
>> time to correct them).

> wood. The owner, cabinet designer and interior designer all blamed
> each other but in the end the owner had to eat over 20 hours of labor.
> The hot water heater for the flat had to go inside a cabinet in the
> kitchen. They thought they had it all worked out but of course it
> didn't fit to we had to take a cabinet apart and rebuilt it to make it
> work. It needed to be deeper and taller. That was about another 20
> hours of labor because the plumbing rough-in had to be modified.
>
> Mistakes can be expensive.

You ever catch that show Renovation Realities? I would say half
time you wonder if the people spent even 40 seconds planning
the job, and the other half thinking that poor slob, who could have
seen that coming? All kinds of bad surprises in renovations.
I had a couple in my kitchen redo, but luckily, not too awful.

nancy

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:17:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>The Cook wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:24:48 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in
>>>> this regard because the water is purged daily but this means your
>>>> facet is going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
>>>
>>> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
>
>> The one in the house we bought is plastic. It is almost 20 years old
>> and the rubber "thingie" that changes the water from spray to stream
>> is not working right. Once it is in spray mode, it takes several
>> pushes to get it back to stream. Drives me nuts. I am looking at
>> faucets now and I want separate.
>
>Twenty years is a long time for a faucet like that, I think. But
>I'm not trying to convince anyone to get some all-in-one sprayer
>faucet, I didn't have a choice. Just noting that they do come in
>metal, not just plastic.

My Moen is all metal, even the retractable sprayer hose is metal
shielded and slides in and out with ease. And I just checked, the
cushioned spray head is as easy to change as a condom... and good I
checked, it needed cleaning with a brush. I've been using it for
seven years but I don't pull it out or use the spray feature all that
often, I doubt it will wear out any time soon.

The Cook wrote:

> The one in the house we bought is plastic. It is almost 20 years old
> and the rubber "thingie" that changes the water from spray to stream
> is not working right. Once it is in spray mode, it takes several
> pushes to get it back to stream. Drives me nuts.

That sounds like a "Faucet Queen" nozzle. They do not work
so great compared to a stainless stell nozzle. The latter
will cost you no more than $12.

Something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Faucet.../dp/B002BTOL9O


Steve

On 2010-07-01, brooklyn1 > wrote:

> My Moen is all metal, even the retractable sprayer hose is metal
> shielded and slides in and out with ease. And I just checked, the
> cushioned spray head is as easy to change as a condom... and good I
> checked, it needed cleaning with a brush. I've been using it for
> seven years but I don't pull it out or use the spray feature all that
> often, I doubt it will wear out any time soon.

First it's Kohlers in the bathroom that are the best and last for
seven years. Now it's Moens in the kitchen that are the best and last
seven years. What's next? Seven year old Delta faucets in the
laundry room? Howzabout those Hello Kitty faucets in the yard?

nb

On 6/30/2010 9:04 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> I loved this story. That's funny stuff right there, don't touch the
> sprayer! That's because it's probably the most fun toy in the kitchen
> for a kid.
> nancy

One of my foster kids put a rubber band around the sprayer. Of course,
I didn't notice it, so when I turned the water on it sprayed me. The
kids were sitting on the bar stools watching, they laughed themselves
silly.

Becca

On 7/1/2010 2:36 AM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> [snip]
>> The guy designing the cabinets is getting impatient with us trying to
>> get it all worked out. That's an odd attitude cause one mistake and
>> everybody's screwed. Looks like I'm gonna be at his office again
>> tomorrow. Hopefully, the fun will begin soon...
>>
> Yes, and yes. You are wise. You cannot check measurements etc. too many
> times. Our kitchen designer made some tiny mistakes--which led to some
> finagling. Yesterday the counters were to be installed. One piece was
> too large (easy to rectify) and one had the hole for the sink in the
> wrong place--which is going to involve and unorthodox fix. Also, a piece
> that was supposed to have the "character" toward the front (where it
> would be visible) does not.
>
> The moral of the story: check, check, check (even when you are dealing
> with pros). Also keep an eye on things as they are being installed so
> you can detect problems before they cannot be corrected (or it would be
> MUCH to disruptive and add way too much time to correct them).
>

There will probably be some glitches that will have to be taken care of.
That's fine. I won't allow any major screw-ups though - this ain't
rocket science. Or is it? :-)

On 7/1/2010 2:41 AM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> [snip]
>> The guy designing the cabinets is getting impatient with us trying to
>> get it all worked out. That's an odd attitude cause one mistake and
>> everybody's screwed. Looks like I'm gonna be at his office again
>> tomorrow. Hopefully, the fun will begin soon...
>>
> Oh, ps... As far as appliances go, the measurements appear to be
> approximate. Verify them to the tiniest fraction of an inch. (You can
> generally find this information online if you dig into the files.) For
> example, if you are told you have 30 inches for the width of the oven,
> that is actually not 30 inches--and the 30-inch oven offerings are not
> exactly 30 inches either.
>

Thanks for the tips!

Becca wrote:
> On 6/30/2010 9:04 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I loved this story. That's funny stuff right there, don't touch the
>> sprayer! That's because it's probably the most fun toy in the
>> kitchen for a kid.

> One of my foster kids put a rubber band around the sprayer. Of
> course, I didn't notice it, so when I turned the water on it sprayed
> me. The kids were sitting on the bar stools watching, they laughed
> themselves silly.

I laughed out loud the second I saw 'rubber band around the
sprayer' ... oh, that's funny. Did you laugh? I bet you did.

nancy

dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/1/2010 2:41 AM, Jean B. wrote:

>> Oh, ps... As far as appliances go, the measurements appear to be
>> approximate. Verify them to the tiniest fraction of an inch. (You can
>> generally find this information online if you dig into the files.) For
>> example, if you are told you have 30 inches for the width of the oven,
>> that is actually not 30 inches--and the 30-inch oven offerings are not
>> exactly 30 inches either.
>>
>
> Thanks for the tips!

That was the only area where I was downright nervous! The designer laid
the plans out for the stove and it sits in the space exactly with
absolutely no extra play room. Then the granite cuts had to be exact yet
it all fits! I held my breath though until sure.

Pic right after placement-
http://i47.tinypic.com/qoy8w4.jpg

I could have purchased a larger fridge as the designer plotted for, but
I like a little space around it for air circulation, even though the new
refrigerators take all that into consideration. It wasn't as nerve
wracking as the stove since I had a few inches on each side to play with
but I did have to be cautious of depth and height still.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:49:46 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>There will probably be some glitches that will have to be taken care of.
>That's fine. I won't allow any major screw-ups though - this ain't
>rocket science. Or is it? :-)

She's right about taking care of the details and tying up loose ends,
but there are always last minute decisions to make. Remodeling an
older home is like opening a can of worms, so you have to be flexible.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

notbob wrote:
>brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> My Moen is all metal, even the retractable sprayer hose is metal
>> shielded and slides in and out with ease. And I just checked, the
>> cushioned spray head is as easy to change as a condom... and good I
>> checked, it needed cleaning with a brush. I've been using it for
>> seven years but I don't pull it out or use the spray feature all that
>> often, I doubt it will wear out any time soon.
>
>First it's Kohlers in the bathroom that are the best and last for
>seven years. Now it's Moens in the kitchen that are the best

I didn't say that Moen is the best... in fact in many ways it sucks
big time... but its spray feature works fine. You need a course in
reading comprehension and a therapist for curing your faucet envy. LOL

On 7/1/2010 8:19 AM, Goomba wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/1/2010 2:41 AM, Jean B. wrote:
>
>>> Oh, ps... As far as appliances go, the measurements appear to be
>>> approximate. Verify them to the tiniest fraction of an inch. (You can
>>> generally find this information online if you dig into the files.) For
>>> example, if you are told you have 30 inches for the width of the oven,
>>> that is actually not 30 inches--and the 30-inch oven offerings are not
>>> exactly 30 inches either.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the tips!
>
> That was the only area where I was downright nervous! The designer laid
> the plans out for the stove and it sits in the space exactly with
> absolutely no extra play room. Then the granite cuts had to be exact yet
> it all fits! I held my breath though until sure.
>
> Pic right after placement-
> http://i47.tinypic.com/qoy8w4.jpg
>
> I could have purchased a larger fridge as the designer plotted for, but
> I like a little space around it for air circulation, even though the new
> refrigerators take all that into consideration. It wasn't as nerve
> wracking as the stove since I had a few inches on each side to play with
> but I did have to be cautious of depth and height still.
>

That's a beautiful range. Just touching the gas knobs and opening the
oven door must be a pleasure... it's way too sexy for my kitchen!

On 7/1/2010 8:43 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:49:46 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> There will probably be some glitches that will have to be taken care of.
>> That's fine. I won't allow any major screw-ups though - this ain't
>> rocket science. Or is it? :-)
>
> She's right about taking care of the details and tying up loose ends,
> but there are always last minute decisions to make. Remodeling an
> older home is like opening a can of worms, so you have to be flexible.
>

I like to think of myself as a guy that knows all the details and angles
but now you got me thinking that this thing might break me. We'll find
out soon enough. :-)

On 7/1/2010 12:55 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> One of my foster kids put a rubber band around the sprayer. Of
>> course, I didn't notice it, so when I turned the water on it sprayed
>> me. The kids were sitting on the bar stools watching, they laughed
>> themselves silly.
>
> I laughed out loud the second I saw 'rubber band around the sprayer'
> ... oh, that's funny. Did you laugh? I bet you did.
> nancy

It took me a couple of seconds to figure out where the water was coming
from. It hocked me, but I laughed just like the kids. I made him clean
up the mess, he was around 14-15.

Becca

dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/1/2010 8:19 AM, Goomba wrote:

>> That was the only area where I was downright nervous! The designer laid
>> the plans out for the stove and it sits in the space exactly with
>> absolutely no extra play room. Then the granite cuts had to be exact yet
>> it all fits! I held my breath though until sure.
>>
>> Pic right after placement-
>> http://i47.tinypic.com/qoy8w4.jpg

>
> That's a beautiful range. Just touching the gas knobs and opening the
> oven door must be a pleasure... it's way too sexy for my kitchen!

Thanks, we certainly are enjoying it. It was the number one rated gas
range in CR that year and so far has proven itself worth every penny.
The mega powerful burner can do a quick boil to my largest pots. I've
been very happy with the gas oven too. I thought I'd prefer an electric
oven with gas range, but this has been very even heating.

I don't know how anyone cooks without gas burners!?

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:57:42 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 7/1/2010 8:43 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 07:49:46 -1000, > wrote:
>>
>>> There will probably be some glitches that will have to be taken care of.
>>> That's fine. I won't allow any major screw-ups though - this ain't
>>> rocket science. Or is it? :-)
>>
>> She's right about taking care of the details and tying up loose ends,
>> but there are always last minute decisions to make. Remodeling an
>> older home is like opening a can of worms, so you have to be flexible.
>>
>
>I like to think of myself as a guy that knows all the details and angles
>but now you got me thinking that this thing might break me. We'll find
>out soon enough. :-)

You know a major rule is to have the cabinets and anything custom
ordered on the premises and double checked before you start
demolition, right?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:27 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> I have the soap dispenser, it stopped working in no time. It just
>> takes up space now, are you happy with your soap dispenser?

> I love mine - so handy! And easy to fill - they're inexpensive (about
> $10 for a brushed stainless one) - you can get different styles to
> match your other faucet hardware at a Menard's, Lowe's or Home Depot.
> Maybe your spigot/thingie is clogged up. It's easy enough to change
> out from underneath the sink.

Somehow I missed your and Goomba's responses, thanks. I think
I'll give cleaning it a shot and see what happens.

nancy

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:41:08 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>I just made an amazing discovery. One that will go down in the annals
>of notbob history as the single most useful, perfect, stupendously
>amazing device in the whole kitchen. I'm speaking, of course, of that
>sprayer thingie next to the faucet. Who knew!? No kidding. This
>thing has been sitting on our sink since I got here, and has remained
>completely untouched in the two years since. I started using it a
>couple days ago and have come to discover it's freakin' brilliant!

<snip>

And if you loop a rubber band around it while it's seated, the next
person to use it will get a BIG surprise. (Thanx and a tip o' the hat
to my then-13 year old son who was *so* in trouble for this.)

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as warm as the wine,
if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines


To reply, remove "spambot" and replace it with "cox"

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:17:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> The Cook wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:24:48 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >>> for a while. The units with the sprayer and faucet are better in
> >>> this regard because the water is purged daily but this means your
> >>> facet is going to be made of plastic. That's the breaks.
> >>
> >> My faucet is also a sprayer and it's metal.
>
> > The one in the house we bought is plastic. It is almost 20 years old
> > and the rubber "thingie" that changes the water from spray to stream
> > is not working right. Once it is in spray mode, it takes several
> > pushes to get it back to stream. Drives me nuts. I am looking at
> > faucets now and I want separate.
>
> Twenty years is a long time for a faucet like that, I think. But
> I'm not trying to convince anyone to get some all-in-one sprayer
> faucet, I didn't have a choice. Just noting that they do come in
> metal, not just plastic.
>
I was thinking 20 years is a testament to any faucet.


--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:49:20 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:36:59 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>>> The moral of the story: check, check, check (even when you are
>>> dealing with pros). Also keep an eye on things as they are being
>>> installed so you can detect problems before they cannot be
>>> corrected (or it would be MUCH to disruptive and add way too much
>>> time to correct them).
>
>> wood. The owner, cabinet designer and interior designer all blamed
>> each other but in the end the owner had to eat over 20 hours of labor.
>> The hot water heater for the flat had to go inside a cabinet in the
>> kitchen. They thought they had it all worked out but of course it
>> didn't fit to we had to take a cabinet apart and rebuilt it to make it
>> work. It needed to be deeper and taller. That was about another 20
>> hours of labor because the plumbing rough-in had to be modified.
>>
>> Mistakes can be expensive.
>
>You ever catch that show Renovation Realities? I would say half
>time you wonder if the people spent even 40 seconds planning
>the job, and the other half thinking that poor slob, who could have
>seen that coming? All kinds of bad surprises in renovations.
>I had a couple in my kitchen redo, but luckily, not too awful.

Never saw that show but I've seen other ones with surprises in the
walls, floors, or ceilings. Remodeling is very hard work to bid. One
problem is people watch a 30 minute TV show about a bathroom that gets
remodeled in a weekend and think it can really be done and wonder why
a contractor wants so much money. If they open up a wall and find a
surprise they can't just overlook it because if a problem shows up in
6 months it looks like it was their fault. A simple faucet change can
turn into a major project if the shutoff valves are bad and need to be
replaced and an iron nipple falls apart when you try to take the valve
of. Next thing you know you're opening up a wall. Newer houses are
better now for some reason but homes built in the early 80's are total
crap. I drove through a project I worked on back then and it's a
total disgrace. Nothing was back painted and I saw many times
painters working in the rain.

Lou

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:33:52 -0500, Becca wrote:

> On 6/30/2010 9:04 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I loved this story. That's funny stuff right there, don't touch the
>> sprayer! That's because it's probably the most fun toy in the kitchen
>> for a kid.
>> nancy
>
> One of my foster kids put a rubber band around the sprayer. Of course,
> I didn't notice it, so when I turned the water on it sprayed me. The
> kids were sitting on the bar stools watching, they laughed themselves
> silly.
>
> Becca

my reaction would be 'back to the orphanage for you!'

your pal,
blake