In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:08:52 -0500, Default User wrote:
>
> > "jack" > wrote in message
> >> Maybe it was a good thing though; anybody who starts talking about
> >> 'folders' gets automatically classified as a 'Default User, no clue about
> >> computers'.
> >
> > I'm a software engingeer working in research and development for an
> > aerospace company. Why would you think that I have no clue?
> >
> You don't have to take it personally, a 'Default User' refers to just any
> user that sees the computer as a tool or gadget, and nothing more. That
> you choose to use that for a nick is entirely your choice.

That's what a computer _is_, a tool. By your logic, the engineers at
Snap-On aren't experts on wrenches.

On 2010-09-29, J. Clarke > wrote:

> So Steve Jobs doesn't know anything about computers?

Actually, he doesn't. Wozniak was the computer genius. Jobs is, and
always has been, the marketing brains behind Apple. He knows exactly
what Apple loyalists want and are willing to pay absurd sums of money
for. Also, like Bill Gates, Steve knows exactly what he can get away
with stealing with little consequence.

nb

In article <3c0216e5-d9cb-4147-8c6c-
>,
says...
>
> On Sep 28, 6:44*pm, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> > In article <ad0a8209-f89c-443c-aea5-7866bbf85640
> > @w4g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>, says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 3:30*pm, jack > wrote:
> >
> > > > Apparently you have. Once upon a time disks were organized in
> > > > directories. That was before M$ decided that 'directory' was too
> > > > difficult a concept for their poor users, and changed it into 'folder'.
> >
> > > > Maybe it was a good thing though; anybody who starts talking about
> > > > 'folders' gets automatically classified as a 'Default User, no clue about
> > > > computers'.
> >
> > > I don't give a crap whether they're called directories or folders. *I
> > > do
> > > care passionately that they assume that you want to organize yourself
> > > into "My Documents", "My Pictures", "My Music", etc., like some sort
> > > of child. *"My Toys". *"My Room".
> >
> > So what default nomenclature would you have used?
>
> None. Let each user figure out for him/herself how they prefer to
> organize things. Make it easier to configure applications to follow
> that organization.

What's wrong with putting everything somewhere that keeps a reasonable
degree of separation and then letting the user put it elsewhere later if
he wants to?

Windows doesn't prevent you from putting everything in the root
directory if that is your pleasure, but it doesn't do it by default,
which I think is a good thing.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:00:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

> That's what a computer _is_, a tool. By your logic, the engineers at

No, it's a (complicated) toy. Money can be made by playing with it for the
rich kids in the playground, who don't understand it, but still want one
because they can.

> Snap-On aren't experts on wrenches.

What's Snap-On?

-j

On 2010-09-29, jack > wrote:

> What's Snap-On?

It's a US tool vendor that, like Apple, is better at marketing than
actual technical innovation/expertise.

nb

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:48:17 +0000, notbob wrote:

> On 2010-09-29, jack > wrote:
>
>> What's Snap-On?
>
> It's a US tool vendor that, like Apple, is better at marketing than
> actual technical innovation/expertise.
>
Ah, thanks. Are they the 'We know what looks 'shiny' and what
people buy, actual usability notwithstanding type'? If yes, then I'd call
them people experts.

-j

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:08:52 -0500, Default User wrote:

> I'm a software engingeer working in research and development for an
> aerospace company. Why would you think that I have no clue?

Some questions are best left to stand-alone as their own answer.



Steve

"jack" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:08:52 -0500, Default User wrote:
>
>> "jack" > wrote in message
>>> Maybe it was a good thing though; anybody who starts talking about
>>> 'folders' gets automatically classified as a 'Default User, no clue
>>> about
>>> computers'.
>>
>> I'm a software engingeer working in research and development for an
>> aerospace company. Why would you think that I have no clue?
>>
> You don't have to take it personally, a 'Default User' refers to just any
> user that sees the computer as a tool or gadget, and nothing more. That
> you choose to use that for a nick is entirely your choice.

Well, as the only person posting who uses that moniker, I don't see how I
wouldn't take it personally.



Brian
--
Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.

On 2010-09-29, jack > wrote:

> Ah, thanks. Are they the 'We know what looks 'shiny' and what
> people buy, actual usability notwithstanding type'?

I'd say more like market brilliance. They pioneered (I think) the
concept of a huge van full of tools stopping, on a weekly basis,
anyplace that had working mechanics that might need/buy their tools.
Each van, basically a rolling store/franchise, had a territory and
they would "carry" accts, customers buying and paying as they were
financially able. It was a awesome concept and saved my ass more than
once. As for their actual tools, Snap-On basically contracted with
other major vendors to supply them rebranded tools. Some tools were
the very best, some where junk, all were pricey.

Another major advantage, they covered the whole spectrum. When I had
a toolbox stolen, only Snap-On and Mac Tools (their primary
competitor) could replace every single item I'd lost from one catalog.
I pretty much stopped using them when I moved on from being a
professional mechanic and, much later, when they started carrying
poorer quality items.

What's the old saying, a good mechanic knows his tools? I knew when I
could do better than Snap-On. Bascially, the same as building your
own computer systems rather than buying off-the-shelf.

nb

In article >,
jack > wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:00:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> > That's what a computer _is_, a tool. By your logic, the engineers at
>
> No, it's a (complicated) toy. Money can be made by playing with it for the
> rich kids in the playground, who don't understand it, but still want one
> because they can.
>
> > Snap-On aren't experts on wrenches.
>
> What's Snap-On?

More toys, but for folks who play with cars:

http://www.snapon.com/

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

jack wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> jack > wrote:
>
>>> What's Snap-On?
>
>> It's a US tool vendor that, like Apple, is better at marketing than
>> actual technical innovation/expertise.
>
> Ah, thanks. Are they the 'We know what looks 'shiny' and what
> people buy, actual usability notwithstanding type'? If yes, then I'd call
> them people experts.

Ask a full time career mechanic like my Dad and son-in-law. Most career
mechanics prefer SnapOn and/or Mac because the tools are better than are
available elsewhere no matter the plentiful commercials for Craftsman.
That they deliver to mechanic shops is an added benefit but not enough
to make up if their products were not better.

In that sense comparing to Apple works well. Try doing a technical
comparison between the Apple and PC of any era. There's no comparison.
The reason PCs are more popular is the price and the lack of technical
knowledge by most people. PCs are the MacDonalds of the computer realm.

Foodies tend to be unimpressed with MacDonalds for the same reasons that
mechanics tend to be unimpressed with Harbor Freight Tools for the same
reason geeks tend to be unimpressed with PCs. SnapOn is the Cray or
Whole Foods.

jack wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:48:17 +0000, notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2010-09-29, jack > wrote:
>>
>>> What's Snap-On?
>> It's a US tool vendor that, like Apple, is better at marketing than
>> actual technical innovation/expertise.
>>
> Ah, thanks. Are they the 'We know what looks 'shiny' and what
> people buy, actual usability notwithstanding type'? If yes, then I'd call
> them people experts.
>
> -j
>


Snap-on and Mac both seem to me to have the marketing strategy: "If we
put big, big signs at race tracks and sponsor the cars of successful
drivers with our huge logos on the doors, the shade tree mechanic
will think we are exceptional and buy our products."

And: "We will hire salesmen to drive around to every repair garage in
the state so that if Joe Schmo has lost a tool he may buy a ton-o-stuff
while the truck is there, saving him a trip to a supplier's store."

It works.

gloria p

On 2010-09-29, Doug Freyburger > wrote:


> mechanics prefer SnapOn and/or Mac because the tools are better than are
> available elsewhere no matter the plentiful commercials for
> Craftsman.

In some cases, yes. Not in all.

> That they deliver to mechanic shops is an added benefit but not enough
> to make up if their products were not better.

Ummm... yes it is. When Snap-On or Matco (Mac Tools) will give you a
tool, "on the books", before you actually have the money to pay,
that's a monstrous advantage. Served me well, specially when the
Snap-On truck came once a week and the closest other professional tool
supply was 100 miles away. I had a choice? I think not.

> In that sense comparing to Apple works well. Try doing a technical
> comparison between the Apple and PC of any era.

Excuse me!? Of any era? If you take a look, Apple has long since
abandoned its use of Motorola processors in favor of the same CPUs
(Duo-Core, etc) used in your std PC. As for the software, OS X is
mostly unix-based, a non-Apple created OS that's older than either
Microsoft or Apple and the basis of that ugly upstart, Linux. You
know Linux, that outlaw OS you would have us believe is jes a mere
pretender and/or flash in the pan? That OS that's on most of the
computer servers, regardless of hardware platform, most of the
internet functions on?

> There's no comparison.

Actually, it'd be more difficult to point out the differences.

> The reason PCs are more popular is the price and the lack of technical
> knowledge by most people. PCs are the MacDonalds of the computer realm.

The reason is due to the open architecture that IBM designed into the
original PC and its overwhelming brilliance. It's still the standard
by which all others are judged, despite being over 40 yrs old. Yes,
it's cheaply produced. The Taiwanese blew IBM out of the market by
virtue of their mfg power. Little has changed, since.

> Foodies tend to be unimpressed with MacDonalds for the same reasons that
> mechanics tend to be unimpressed with Harbor Freight Tools for the same
> reason geeks tend to be unimpressed with PCs.

Ummm.... geeks flock to PC in droves! Buy 'em, build 'em, hack 'em,
love 'em! It's the overpriced bogus crap from Apple that geeks laugh
at and avoid like the plague.

> SnapOn is the Cray or Whole Foods.

Like I said, overpriced crap. Cheap Linux Beowulf-like clusters have been
eating away at Cray's market for years. As for Whole Foods, I'd shop there
only if I had no better alternative, and even then I'd buy little.

nb

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote
>
> Hardly a day goes by that I don't wish Microsoft had made
> some different design decision early on that would make my
> life easier today. And every new OS they release is more
> bloated, buggy, slow, and intrusive. Bugs that were present
> in Windows 3.x are still there today.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


I figure if you don't like what MS offers, you have choices.
1. Choose a different system, such as Apple or Linux
2. Write your own operating system.

While option 2 seems to be a daunting task for me, from all the complaints
over the years saying how it "should" be done, I figure those people must
know how to do it better and Bill Gates would want to hire them. It's only
a bunch of 0 and 1's.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote >
> I don't give a crap whether they're called directories or folders. I
> do
> care passionately that they assume that you want to organize yourself
> into "My Documents", "My Pictures", "My Music", etc., like some sort
> of child. "My Toys". "My Room".
>
> Cindy Hamilton

So change the names. You can store the stuff any place you want. Make your
own directory/folder . I have one called "Stuff" where I put odds 'n' ends.

"jack" > wrote
>>> Apparently you have. Once upon a time disks were organized in
>>> directories. That was before M$ decided that 'directory' was too
>>> difficult a concept for their poor users, and changed it into 'folder'.
>>
>> Actually Apple decided that.
>>
> Actually it was Stanford or Xerox, as nb pointed out. But M$ was the one
> that got it accepted as 'common computerese', by their sheer size. When
> Apple called it folders and DOS called it directories, the generic term
> was 'directory'. When windows started calling it 'folders', the generic
> term changed.

Businesses have been storing documents and the like in folders for a couple
of centuries. Long before any computer owners/builders/programmers have
been alive. Why change it now?

On Sep 30, 6:12*am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote
>
>
>
> > Hardly a day goes by that I don't wish Microsoft had made
> > some different design decision early on that would make my
> > life easier today. *And every new OS they release is more
> > bloated, buggy, slow, and intrusive. *Bugs that were present
> > in Windows 3.x are still there today.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I figure if you don't like what MS offers, you have choices.
> 1. *Choose a different system, such as Apple or Linux
> 2. *Write your own operating system.
>
> While option 2 seems to be a daunting task for me, from all the complaints
> over the years saying how it "should" be done, I figure those people must
> know how to do it better and Bill Gates would want to hire them. *It's only
> a bunch of 0 and 1's.

Would that I could. We used to be all Unix and VMS here, but our
customers started clamoring for PCs and now I've got one of the
damned things on my desk (three of them actually, all configured
slightly differently). Once Exceed is installed, they make good
X terminals.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:19:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Businesses have been storing documents and the like in folders for a couple
> of centuries. Long before any computer owners/builders/programmers have
> been alive. Why change it now?

Because they don't actually fold? Because they are hierarchical ? Because
'directory' was more commonly used at first, why change it ?

Either name doesn't make much sense. All the names I've seen in use
(directory, library, folder, UFD) are existing words retro-fitted to
describe a new concept. If any renaming was called for, using something
sensible like 'container' for folder and 'dataset' for file would
have been better.

-j

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:12:24 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> wrote:

>
>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote
>>
>> Hardly a day goes by that I don't wish Microsoft had made
>> some different design decision early on that would make my
>> life easier today. And every new OS they release is more
>> bloated, buggy, slow, and intrusive. Bugs that were present
>> in Windows 3.x are still there today.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>I figure if you don't like what MS offers, you have choices.
>1. Choose a different system, such as Apple or Linux
>2. Write your own operating system.
>
>While option 2 seems to be a daunting task for me, from all the complaints
>over the years saying how it "should" be done, I figure those people must
>know how to do it better and Bill Gates would want to hire them. It's only
>a bunch of 0 and 1's.

Operating system problems really only began when the grubbermint
busted up MS, since then nothing is compatable without work-arounds,
fixes that fix nothing but cause more breakage, and tossing perfectly
good hardware in the shitcan.... my perfectly good 3 month old
bluetooth keyboard n' mouse can't be made to work with Windows 7...
Bluetooth refuses to follow Windows protocols, I'll never buy
Bluetooth products again, it's garbage, even goes through batteries
like they're tic tacs... and Bluetooth offers zero customer service.
Bluetooth doesn't even adhere to their own protocols, that's how I
came to have a replacement 3 months ago for the four year old one I
was using, it suddenly stopped working because they made a big change
to their wireless transmission protocol and told no one it was coming
until after the fact... I wasted three days pulling my hair out
updating drivers, running repair programs, etc. thinking my PC died,
until finally a Dell techie phoned Bluetooth and techie to techie on a
three way call with me listening got Bluetooth to cough up the
problem. I was still under warranty so Dell got me a new Bluetooth
keyboard and now that's the one that can't be made to work with
Windows 7. I ended up buying a new HP Wireless Elite, but after I got
it I decided I'm sending it back, it's too small and the key
arrangement sucks. Computers are atiquated, nothing ever works well,
if it's not hardware it's software, if not those it's connectivity
issues... why can't PCs be like other electronics, I plugged in my new
Vizio TV four years ago and never needed to call a techie, it works
flawlessly all on its own. There is definitely something very wrong
with the personal computer industry, there are no standards and
there's zero consumer protection.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Bluetooth refuses to follow Windows protocols, I'll never buy
> Bluetooth products again, it's garbage, even goes through batteries
> like they're tic tacs... and Bluetooth offers zero customer service.
> Bluetooth doesn't even adhere to their own protocols, that's how I

Yeah, I know how you feel. It's like getting customer support
for IEEE 754. You call the main phone number for the IEEE and
they treat you like you're some kind of idiot.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:19:56 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> wrote:

>
>"jack" > wrote
>>>> Apparently you have. Once upon a time disks were organized in
>>>> directories. That was before M$ decided that 'directory' was too
>>>> difficult a concept for their poor users, and changed it into 'folder'.
>>>
>>> Actually Apple decided that.
>>>
>> Actually it was Stanford or Xerox, as nb pointed out. But M$ was the one
>> that got it accepted as 'common computerese', by their sheer size. When
>> Apple called it folders and DOS called it directories, the generic term
>> was 'directory'. When windows started calling it 'folders', the generic
>> term changed.
>
>Businesses have been storing documents and the like in folders for a couple
>of centuries. Long before any computer owners/builders/programmers have
>been alive. Why change it now?

I use an external hard drive, My Book, cost under $100... I think it
can hold something like a half a million photos, I'll never fill it.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:19:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Businesses have been storing documents and the like in folders for a couple
> > of centuries. Long before any computer owners/builders/programmers have
> > been alive. Why change it now?
>
> Because they don't actually fold? Because they are hierarchical ? Because
> 'directory' was more commonly used at first, why change it ?
>
> Either name doesn't make much sense. All the names I've seen in use
> (directory, library, folder, UFD) are existing words retro-fitted to
> describe a new concept. If any renaming was called for, using something
> sensible like 'container' for folder and 'dataset' for file would
> have been better.

The thing is, now "directory" has another meaning, and we can't blame
Microsoft for it, ITU came up with the standard.

On 2010-09-30, J. Clarke > wrote:

> The thing is, now "directory" has another meaning, and we can't blame
> Microsoft for it, ITU came up with the standard.

ITU has come up with "its" standard. More petty tyrants trying to
make a niche and impose their bureaucratic standards. I don't even
know who they are, let alone recognize them.

nb

On Sep 30, 4:28*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-09-30, J. Clarke > wrote:
>
> > The thing is, now "directory" has another meaning, and we can't blame
> > Microsoft for it, ITU came up with the standard.
>
> ITU has come up with "its" standard. *More petty tyrants trying to
> make a niche and impose their bureaucratic standards. *I don't even
> know who they are, let alone recognize them.
>
> nb

==
I've seen reference to the "desktop" folder...now "that" doesn't make
sense at all. How can the desktop be a "folder"?...although in the
grand scheme of Windows things it IS reality a folder.

I would be quite happy to go back to the "directory" system.

When trying to help out newbies with their new or used computers they
seem to grasp the concept of directories and sub-directories better
than the dumb "folder" and "sub-folder" nomenclature. They do know
about phone directories and don't refer to them as "phone folders".

==

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:21:20 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:19:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> > Businesses have been storing documents and the like in folders for a
>> > couple of centuries. Long before any computer
>> > owners/builders/programmers have been alive. Why change it now?
>>
>> Because they don't actually fold? Because they are hierarchical ?
>> Because 'directory' was more commonly used at first, why change it ?
>>
>> Either name doesn't make much sense. All the names I've seen in use
>> (directory, library, folder, UFD) are existing words retro-fitted to
>> describe a new concept. If any renaming was called for, using something
>> sensible like 'container' for folder and 'dataset' for file would have
>> been better.
>
> The thing is, now "directory" has another meaning, and we can't blame
> Microsoft for it, ITU came up with the standard.

ITU (like IT) added yet another meaning to an existing word (according to
M-W 'First known use of directory: 15th century' - well before 1865). And
I'm fairly sure that ITU usage pre-dates IT usage anyway.

Still, 'directory' is technically more correct (in most filesystems, the
directory only contains a pointer to where a file is stored or where to
find that information, it doesn't store the file itself). Most users don't
get that concept, nor do they need to for their daily tasks. That is why
things like 'folder' or 'library' started gaining traction.

-j

On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:43:00 +0200, jack > wrote:

> ITU (like IT) added yet another meaning to an existing word (according to
> M-W 'First known use of directory: 15th century' - well before 1865). And
> I'm fairly sure that ITU usage pre-dates IT usage anyway.
>
> Still, 'directory' is technically more correct (in most filesystems, the
> directory only contains a pointer to where a file is stored or where to
> find that information, it doesn't store the file itself). Most users don't
> get that concept, nor do they need to for their daily tasks. That is why
> things like 'folder' or 'library' started gaining traction.

Users care how they work, not what they are called. Call them Fred if
you want to.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:53:11 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:12:24 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>I figure if you don't like what MS offers, you have choices.
>>1. Choose a different system, such as Apple or Linux
>>2. Write your own operating system.
>>
>>While option 2 seems to be a daunting task for me, from all the complaints
>>over the years saying how it "should" be done, I figure those people must
>>know how to do it better and Bill Gates would want to hire them. It's only
>>a bunch of 0 and 1's.
>
> Operating system problems really only began when the grubbermint
> busted up MS,

what the **** are you talking about? oh right, i forgot you never know
what the **** you're talking about.

blake

On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:49:42 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:43:00 +0200, jack > wrote:
>
>> ITU (like IT) added yet another meaning to an existing word (according to
>> M-W 'First known use of directory: 15th century' - well before 1865). And
>> I'm fairly sure that ITU usage pre-dates IT usage anyway.
>>
>> Still, 'directory' is technically more correct (in most filesystems, the
>> directory only contains a pointer to where a file is stored or where to
>> find that information, it doesn't store the file itself). Most users don't
>> get that concept, nor do they need to for their daily tasks. That is why
>> things like 'folder' or 'library' started gaining traction.
>
>Users care how they work, not what they are called. Call them Fred if
>you want to.

As S. I. Hayakawa said "The word is not the thing."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/S._I._Hayakawa

On 2010-10-01, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> As S. I. Hayakawa said "The word is not the thing."
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/S._I._Hayakawa

Yeah, apparently ol' Sammy was an expert on "the thing". Judging by
his antics, he payed a lot of attention to it.

nb

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:21:20 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:19:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> > Businesses have been storing documents and the like in folders for a
> >> > couple of centuries. Long before any computer
> >> > owners/builders/programmers have been alive. Why change it now?
> >>
> >> Because they don't actually fold? Because they are hierarchical ?
> >> Because 'directory' was more commonly used at first, why change it ?
> >>
> >> Either name doesn't make much sense. All the names I've seen in use
> >> (directory, library, folder, UFD) are existing words retro-fitted to
> >> describe a new concept. If any renaming was called for, using something
> >> sensible like 'container' for folder and 'dataset' for file would have
> >> been better.
> >
> > The thing is, now "directory" has another meaning, and we can't blame
> > Microsoft for it, ITU came up with the standard.
>
> ITU (like IT) added yet another meaning to an existing word (according to
> M-W 'First known use of directory: 15th century' - well before 1865). And
> I'm fairly sure that ITU usage pre-dates IT usage anyway.
>
> Still, 'directory' is technically more correct (in most filesystems, the
> directory only contains a pointer to where a file is stored or where to
> find that information, it doesn't store the file itself). Most users don't
> get that concept, nor do they need to for their daily tasks. That is why
> things like 'folder' or 'library' started gaining traction.

The ITU definition is IT specific and came about in the late '80s. The
"directory" as an organizational unit in a file system came about in
1969 at the latest, with the release of UNIX, but earlier systems of
which I am unaware may have had such a structure.

Also note that in Windows a "library" is different from a folder, in
that it's not part of the structure of the file system.

On Oct 1, 2:08*am, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> Would that I could. *We used to be all Unix and VMS here, but our
> customers started clamoring for PCs and now I've got one of the
> damned things on my desk (three of them actually, all configured
> slightly differently). *Once Exceed is installed, they make good
> X terminals.

Know what you mean. I dread the day when my old Vaxstation finally
kicks the bucket.

LW

On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 19:49:00 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

> Also note that in Windows a "library" is different from a folder, in
> that it's not part of the structure of the file system.

Who said anything about windows? Some mainframe environments use the term
'library' for what is more or less a single-level directory structure.

To confuse things, windows and *nix both the linker stub for shared code a
library. The actual code is DLL (win) or shared object (*nix)

-j

"Cheryl" > wrote:

> "John Doe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Where is that cybercat????
>>
>> "Love on the rocks... Aint no surprise... la la la"
>>
>>> Is she gone or have I not seen her posting? I miss her!!!
>>
>> Cope with it, moron.
>
> You fail. If a thread is dead over 24 hours you're not allowed to
respond
> to it.

I'll remember that. Whatever it was.

On 12 Feb 2011 08:42:00 GMT, John Doe > wrote:

> "Cheryl" > wrote:
>
> > "John Doe" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Ophelia" <Ophelia Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Where is that cybercat????
> >>
> >> "Love on the rocks... Aint no surprise... la la la"
> >>
> >>> Is she gone or have I not seen her posting? I miss her!!!
> >>
> >> Cope with it, moron.
> >
> > You fail. If a thread is dead over 24 hours you're not allowed to
> respond
> > to it.
>
> I'll remember that. Whatever it was.

It was me. Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
- be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want. I have
a kill file where people like that and resurrected old threads go, so
post away a act the fool all you want.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf <sf geemail.com> wrote:

> On 12 Feb 2011 08:42:00 GMT, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> "Cheryl" <jlhshadow hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:4c92e914$0$16592$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com...
>> >> "Ophelia" <Ophelia Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Where is that cybercat????
>> >>
>> >> "Love on the rocks... Aint no surprise... la la la"
>> >>
>> >>> Is she gone or have I not seen her posting? I miss her!!!
>> >>
>> >> Cope with it, moron.
>> >
>> > You fail. If a thread is dead over 24 hours you're not
>> > allowed to respond to it.
>>
>> I'll remember that. Whatever it was.
>
> It was me.

Nym-shifting?

> Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
> - be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want.

It's called "freedom of speech".

> I have a kill file where people like that and resurrected old
> threads go,

Or maybe I was interested in the subject, at least curious. I
suppose some people might also think there is something wrong with
using the UseNet archive. That's how it is in Washington. Your
success is inversely proportional to your ability to remember
things.

> so post away a act the fool all you want.

People who flaunt their kill file are like not-quite-grown-ups
playing with an imaginary friend who mysteriously comes and goes.
I like to keep track, to see how regularly you troll "I am putting
you in my kill file!" over and over and over again.
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>
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On 12 Feb 2011 17:32:20 GMT, John Doe > wrote:

> sf <sf geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12 Feb 2011 08:42:00 GMT, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Cheryl" <jlhshadow hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
> >> > news:4c92e914$0$16592$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com...
> >> >> "Ophelia" <Ophelia Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Where is that cybercat????
> >> >>
> >> >> "Love on the rocks... Aint no surprise... la la la"
> >> >>
> >> >>> Is she gone or have I not seen her posting? I miss her!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Cope with it, moron.
> >> >
> >> > You fail. If a thread is dead over 24 hours you're not
> >> > allowed to respond to it.
> >>
> >> I'll remember that. Whatever it was.
> >
> > It was me.
>
> Nym-shifting?

Who? Me or you? I never name sift. Don't need to, unlike certain
others.
>
> > Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
> > - be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want.
>
> It's called "freedom of speech".

Do whatever you want. I can't stop you, but I can stop seeing you.
>
> > I have a kill file where people like that and resurrected old
> > threads go,
>
> Or maybe I was interested in the subject, at least curious. I
> suppose some people might also think there is something wrong with
> using the UseNet archive. That's how it is in Washington. Your
> success is inversely proportional to your ability to remember
> things.
>
> > so post away a act the fool all you want.
>
> People who flaunt their kill file are like not-quite-grown-ups
> playing with an imaginary friend who mysteriously comes and goes.
> I like to keep track, to see how regularly you troll "I am putting
> you in my kill file!" over and over and over again.

Did I hurt your feeling? Poor widdle you. Deal with it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

?
"John Doe" > wrote
>
>> Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
>> - be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want.
>
> It's called "freedom of speech".

Very often the "freedom of speech" is dragged out to cover up a case of bad
manners.

sf <sf geemail.com> wrote:

> On 12 Feb 2011 17:32:20 GMT, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>
>> sf <sf geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 12 Feb 2011 08:42:00 GMT, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Cheryl" <jlhshadow hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> > news:4c92e914$0$16592$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com...
>> >> >> "Ophelia" <Ophelia Elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Where is that cybercat????
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Love on the rocks... Aint no surprise... la la la"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Is she gone or have I not seen her posting? I miss her!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cope with it, moron.
>> >> >
>> >> > You fail. If a thread is dead over 24 hours you're not
>> >> > allowed to respond to it.
>> >>
>> >> I'll remember that. Whatever it was.
>> >
>> > It was me.
>>
>> Nym-shifting?
>
> Who? Me or you? I never name sift.

Only the Shadow knows.

> Don't need to, unlike certain others.

DUN DUN DUN

>> > Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
>> > - be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want.
>>
>> It's called "freedom of speech".
>
> Do whatever you want. I can't stop you, but I can stop seeing you.

Then give the ring back.

>> > I have a kill file where people like that and resurrected old
>> > threads go,
>>
>> Or maybe I was interested in the subject, at least curious. I
>> suppose some people might also think there is something wrong with
>> using the UseNet archive. That's how it is in Washington. Your
>> success is inversely proportional to your ability to remember
>> things.
>>
>> > so post away a act the fool all you want.
>>
>> People who flaunt their kill file are like not-quite-grown-ups
>> playing with an imaginary friend who mysteriously comes and goes.
>> I like to keep track, to see how regularly you troll "I am putting
>> you in my kill file!" over and over and over again.
>
> Did I hurt your feeling? Poor widdle you. Deal with it.

Your imaginary kill file friend disappeared in record time.
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"Ed Pawlowski" <esp snetnospam.net> wrote:

> ?
> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
>>> - be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want.
>>
>> It's called "freedom of speech".
>
> Very often the "freedom of speech" is dragged out to cover up a
> case of bad manners.

But why bring up your mother?
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?
"John Doe" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> "Ed Pawlowski" <esp snetnospam.net> wrote:
>
>> ?
>> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>>> Others turned it into a "not allowed" theme, but go ahead
>>>> - be my guest... flaunt your ignorant newbieness all you want.
>>>
>>> It's called "freedom of speech".
>>
>> Very often the "freedom of speech" is dragged out to cover up a
>> case of bad manners.
>
> But why bring up your mother?
> --
>

You prove my point