I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?

Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
>I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
>figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
>(Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as a
>pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future mobility
> to make things too easy? What do you think?
> --
> Jean B.


I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to get to
various things is a good thing in the long run

Jill

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as a
> pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future mobility
> to make things too easy? What do you think?

I added some wire shelves in my cabinets to stack dishes higher and separate
them by size. They are free-standing and require no installation. My wire
shelves have three tiers.

I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full potential
without having to take things out to use things under them.

Make yourself move, but be shod in comfy, nonskid footgear.

jmcquown wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
>> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
>> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as
>> a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>
>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
>> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future
>> mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
>
> I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to get
> to various things is a good thing in the long run
>
> Jill

I started wondering that, Jill. Maybe it would be a bad thing to
be totally efficient. I wonder what should be arranged
efficiently, and would be really annoying if done otherwise? And
when it makes sense to move?

One thing I will miss about the split-levl house I am about to
move from is the fact that I am up and down the stairs constantly.
I figure that's probably a very good thing.

--
Jean B.

Cheryl wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
>> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
>> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as
>> a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>
>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
>> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future
>> mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>
> I added some wire shelves in my cabinets to stack dishes higher and
> separate them by size. They are free-standing and require no
> installation. My wire shelves have three tiers.
>
> I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full
> potential without having to take things out to use things under them.
>
Speaking of shelving... I am thinking I will get extra shelves.
Also, I am rearranging shelves. A tip for folks who might
remodel... Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...

> One thing I will miss about the split-levl house I am about to move from
> is the fact that I am up and down the stairs constantly. I figure that's
> probably a very good thing.

As long as you can do stairs in other places. If you can. Stairs are
probably one of the biggest cardio activity we can do if we do it regularly.
Except for chair dancing! )

Kalmia wrote:
>
> Make yourself move, but be shod in comfy, nonskid footgear.

Hmm. I usually wear socks in the house. Maybe I will wear
nonskid ones. Did I ever say I put a cork floor into the kitchen?
I am really looking forward to that!

--
Jean B.

Cheryl wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> One thing I will miss about the split-levl house I am about to move
>> from is the fact that I am up and down the stairs constantly. I figure
>> that's probably a very good thing.
>
> As long as you can do stairs in other places. If you can. Stairs are
> probably one of the biggest cardio activity we can do if we do it
> regularly. Except for chair dancing! )
>
>
LOL! I figure if I do things like stairs, I will continue to be
able to do them for a longer time than otherwise might be the case.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?

My mom always organized her spices alphabetically
from left to right. I just throw everything into
the cupboard and then hunt for it when I need it.
Frequently used items migrate to the front just
because they get hunted for and then put back
in front.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
>> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
>> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
>> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> My mom always organized her spices alphabetically
> from left to right. I just throw everything into
> the cupboard and then hunt for it when I need it.
> Frequently used items migrate to the front just
> because they get hunted for and then put back
> in front.

That's a whole other thing! My spices, herbs, etc. are mostly
arranged alphabetically, although salts and peppers are together.
Well, they start out that way, anyway, but then I run out of
room and the scheme falls apart. Also, some jars are too tall and
end up on top of my shelves. I think I will get a third cd
rack--and all of them will be exiled to the other room. The only
place I could put them in the kitchen, they would be in the sun.

--
Jean B.

Jill wrote:

> I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to get to
> various things is a good thing in the long run

Not if you're cooking with somebody else.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger added the following to the totality of all human wisdom
on 7/27/2010 in writing
> Jill wrote:
>
>> I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to get to
>> various things is a good thing in the long run
>
> Not if you're cooking with somebody else.
>
> Bob

Perish the thought

--
Yours,
Dan S.
There are 10 kinds of people, those who can read binary and those who
can't.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:15:05 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?

I vote for putting things where you'll be using them.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:09:43 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.

They are a mixed blessing. It's easier to get to the things in back,
but you can store fewer items.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?

Conventional wisdom has things close to where they will most likely be
used. What I'd do.


--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of
St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew;
sometimes in a pickle."
Where are my pearls, Honey?

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Jill wrote:
>
>> I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to get to
>> various things is a good thing in the long run
>
> Not if you're cooking with somebody else.
>
> Bob
>
Good point! I don't anticipate doing so--at least not on any
regular basis.

--
Jean B.

DanS. wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger added the following to the totality of all human wisdom
> on 7/27/2010 in writing
>> Jill wrote:
>>
>>> I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to
>>> get to various things is a good thing in the long run
>>
>> Not if you're cooking with somebody else.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Perish the thought
>
Heh! There IS that!

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:15:05 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
>> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
>> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
>> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>
>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
>> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
>> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>
> I vote for putting things where you'll be using them.
>
Thanks.

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:09:43 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
>> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>
> They are a mixed blessing. It's easier to get to the things in back,
> but you can store fewer items.
>
Right--and I need the maximum amount of storage space.

--
Jean B.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
>> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
>> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
>> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>
>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
>> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
>> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>
> Conventional wisdom has things close to where they will most likely be
> used. What I'd do.
>
>
Yes, I realize that is the conventional thought--and I started out
doing that. Then I wondered whether that laziness would
eventually have negative ramifications? Of course, OTOH, if one
did become less able to get around, one might wish the things were
arranged in that conventional fashion.

Anyway, do you have any suggestions about how things should be
arranged for convenience? I am feeling like I am reinventing the
wheel!

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as a
> pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future
> mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?

When I planned my cabinets (sizes, features) I did so with full
recognition of what needed to be stored and how and where it would be
used. Try to plan on "point of use" areas such a a baking area, or prep
area, and store items in those areas that make the work or tasks the
most efficient.
I'd vote for an efficient kitchen and if that makes you happier in use
you'll move more because you'll use it more.

Cheryl wrote:

> I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full
> potential without having to take things out to use things under them.
>
I agree! Things that are a nuisance to get to will cause you to avoid
them. So why have them if you can't fully enjoy their use??
I planned my cabinet sizes and doodads inside based on the stuff I
needed to store. So my dishes and cookware fit beautifully and
everything is easy to get to.

Jean B. wrote:

> Speaking of shelving... I am thinking I will get extra shelves. Also, I
> am rearranging shelves. A tip for folks who might remodel... Sliding
> drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a good idea, but the are NOT
> a good utilization of space.
>
We ordered extra shelves for all the cabinets and LOVE them. This corner
cabinet was planned especially for the glass bakeware. We ordered 1
extra shelf and it makes a huge difference in storage. The cost was very
reasonable too as I recall. Our wall cabinets go up so high that without
extra shelves it would just be wasted space.

http://tinypic.com/r/6xusl2/3


We also enjoy our large wood pull out shelves/drawers inside the base
cabinets. It saves me stooping down to rummage through to get to the back.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:15:05 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>
> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?

if you have a choice, i'd choose convenience. there will be times when
you're *not* perfectly mobile.

your pal,
blake

On Jul 27, 9:09*pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
> > "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
> >> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
> >> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as
> >> a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) *Any suggestions?
>
> >> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
> >> convenience or make myself move? *Maybe it's not great for future
> >> mobility to make things too easy? *What do you think?
>
> > I added some wire shelves in my cabinets to stack dishes higher and
> > separate them by size. *They are free-standing and require no
> > installation. *My wire shelves have three tiers.
>
> > I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full
> > potential without having to take things out to use things under them.
>
> Speaking of shelving... *I am thinking I will get extra shelves.
> Also, I am rearranging shelves. *A tip for folks who might
> remodel... *Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>
> --
> Jean B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have one in a lower double cabinet - drawer on top, sliding shelf
and then storage room at the bottom. I love mine - couldn't do
without it. It's so easy to just pull it straight out and reach stuff
in the back - makes it easy to put small appliances on that shelf to
get them off the counter. In addition, my big stock pots and big
frypans are on the bottom shelf, so when I pull the center shelf out,
I can reach those big ones from above, instead of stooping to floor
level to fish them out from behind the smaller pans in front. If you
know what I mean.

N.

On Jul 28, 12:19*am, sf > wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:09:43 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
> > Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
> > good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>
> They are a mixed blessing. *It's easier to get to the things in back,
> but you can store fewer items.
>
> --
>
> Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

The edges on my center roll-out shelf take up very little space - on
the other hand, I opted out of a big corner swivel deal for a lower
corner cupboard because there is lots of lost space in that
configuration.

N.

In article >, "Jean B." >
wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article >, "Jean B." >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
> >> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
> >> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
> >> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
> >> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
> >> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
> >
> > Conventional wisdom has things close to where they will most likely be
> > used. What I'd do.
> >
> >
> Yes, I realize that is the conventional thought--and I started out
> doing that. Then I wondered whether that laziness would
> eventually have negative ramifications? Of course, OTOH, if one
> did become less able to get around, one might wish the things were
> arranged in that conventional fashion.
>
> Anyway, do you have any suggestions about how things should be
> arranged for convenience? I am feeling like I am reinventing the
> wheel!

What I said. I wouldn't consider it laziness, but efficient. I don't
know your physical constraints and it sounds like you either have some
or anticipate them.

Think about your former layout ‹ did you ever find yourself saying, "I
wish I had a place for that over here."

<shrug>
--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of
St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew;
sometimes in a pickle."
Where are my pearls, Honey?

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:53:53 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:09:43 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
> >
> >> Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
> >> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
> >
> > They are a mixed blessing. It's easier to get to the things in back,
> > but you can store fewer items.
> >
> Right--and I need the maximum amount of storage space.

One thing going in your favor is that you have two kitchens now, so
your auxiliary one can take the less used overflow. That's what I
did.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:44:02 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Jill wrote:
> >
> >> I think having to walk from one side of the kitchen to the other to get to
> >> various things is a good thing in the long run
> >
> > Not if you're cooking with somebody else.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> Good point! I don't anticipate doing so--at least not on any
> regular basis.

My opinion is that "exercise" is a weak excuse for poor kitchen
organization. I find it annoying to have to stop what I'm doing and
walk across the kitchen rummage around for something that should be at
my fingertips. But if you want chaos in the kitchen, it's your
kitchen so do what you want. I see from this thread that many people
on rfc don't have properly organized kitchens either, so you won't be
alone.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Cheryl wrote:
>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
>>> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
>>> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as a
>>> pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
>>> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future
>>> mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>>
>> I added some wire shelves in my cabinets to stack dishes higher and
>> separate them by size. They are free-standing and require no
>> installation. My wire shelves have three tiers.
>>
>> I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full potential
>> without having to take things out to use things under them.
>>
> Speaking of shelving... I am thinking I will get extra shelves. Also, I
> am rearranging shelves. A tip for folks who might remodel... Sliding
> drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a good idea, but the are NOT a
> good utilization of space.
>
> --
> Jean B.

Yes but the convenience of being able to access stuff stored in the drawer
outweighs the inch of space on the edge of the shelf you would lose. My pots
and pans drawer has nested 8-16 qt. pots behind nested cast iron pans. What
a pain it would be to have to remove the cast iron every time I needed a
pot. It's not the answer for all kitchen storage but really lends itself to
these types of situations.

Jon

Goomba wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
>> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
>> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will
>> function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>
>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
>> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future
>> mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>
> When I planned my cabinets (sizes, features) I did so with full
> recognition of what needed to be stored and how and where it would be
> used. Try to plan on "point of use" areas such a a baking area, or prep
> area, and store items in those areas that make the work or tasks the
> most efficient.
> I'd vote for an efficient kitchen and if that makes you happier in use
> you'll move more because you'll use it more.

LOL! I like that. And yes, I have been trying to house things
based on where they will be used. For example, basic ingredients
near where I anticipate cooking. Things to be used at the stove
and oven near them. Things pertaining to coffee near where the
coffee maker will be. Etc.

--
Jean B.

Goomba wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>
>> I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full
>> potential without having to take things out to use things under them.
>>
> I agree! Things that are a nuisance to get to will cause you to avoid
> them. So why have them if you can't fully enjoy their use??
> I planned my cabinet sizes and doodads inside based on the stuff I
> needed to store. So my dishes and cookware fit beautifully and
> everything is easy to get to.

I couldn't plan that precisely because I had to fit the cabinets
and drawers into sometimes anomalous spaces. I didn't move the
doorways (although one was tinkered with to enlarge the kitchen)
or the sink that looks out the window. I did get rid of a closet
that impinged on the kitchen though, and that area is where the
oven is.

--
Jean B.

Goomba wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>
>> Speaking of shelving... I am thinking I will get extra shelves. Also,
>> I am rearranging shelves. A tip for folks who might remodel...
>> Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a good idea, but
>> the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>>
> We ordered extra shelves for all the cabinets and LOVE them. This corner
> cabinet was planned especially for the glass bakeware. We ordered 1
> extra shelf and it makes a huge difference in storage. The cost was very
> reasonable too as I recall. Our wall cabinets go up so high that without
> extra shelves it would just be wasted space.
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/6xusl2/3
>
>
> We also enjoy our large wood pull out shelves/drawers inside the base
> cabinets. It saves me stooping down to rummage through to get to the back.


Very nice! I am wondering what cabinets you got. They look like
they might be related to mine!

I agree re the shelves. As it is, there is so much wasted space.
And I have a lot to store. Hmmm. I think most of the cabinet
drawers should be toward the bottom, and then I'll put a shelf or
shelves above them.

--
Jean B.

blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:15:05 -0400, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
>> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
>> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
>> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>
>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
>> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
>> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>
> if you have a choice, i'd choose convenience. there will be times when
> you're *not* perfectly mobile.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Yeah, that's also something that needs to be factored in. I'd
like to think I would just change the locations of things, but
knowing me, I won't. Also, one may not be in any condition to do
that later.

--
Jean B.

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jul 27, 9:09 pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> Cheryl wrote:
>>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying to
>>>> figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and drawers.
>>>> (Some things will be exiled into another room, which will function as
>>>> a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for absolute
>>>> convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great for future
>>>> mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>>> I added some wire shelves in my cabinets to stack dishes higher and
>>> separate them by size. They are free-standing and require no
>>> installation. My wire shelves have three tiers.
>>> I'm a believer in utilizing the height of shelves to their full
>>> potential without having to take things out to use things under them.
>> Speaking of shelving... I am thinking I will get extra shelves.
>> Also, I am rearranging shelves. A tip for folks who might
>> remodel... Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
>> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I have one in a lower double cabinet - drawer on top, sliding shelf
> and then storage room at the bottom. I love mine - couldn't do
> without it. It's so easy to just pull it straight out and reach stuff
> in the back - makes it easy to put small appliances on that shelf to
> get them off the counter. In addition, my big stock pots and big
> frypans are on the bottom shelf, so when I pull the center shelf out,
> I can reach those big ones from above, instead of stooping to floor
> level to fish them out from behind the smaller pans in front. If you
> know what I mean.
>
> N.

This would probably have been better if ALL of my lower cabinets
were not done that way. (I forget whether I was asked whether I
wanted them all done the same way.) It is, as it stands, a big
waste of space. Maybe ONE cabinet can logically be done that way,
with no more levels in addition to what is there. I think,
because of the inconvenience of the lower shelves, I will put both
drawers fairly low and get one or two shelves to go on top of
that. I also want more shelves for the upper cabinets.

I got two deep drawers under the cooktop. So far, that seems like
a good idea, although I do have one really tall pot that is not
there yet. I am not sure it will fit, but it is used so
infrequently it might even be exiled to the garage!

--
Jean B.

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jul 28, 12:19 am, sf > wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:09:43 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>> Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
>>> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>> They are a mixed blessing. It's easier to get to the things in back,
>> but you can store fewer items.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.
>
> The edges on my center roll-out shelf take up very little space - on
> the other hand, I opted out of a big corner swivel deal for a lower
> corner cupboard because there is lots of lost space in that
> configuration.
>
> N.

Nodding. Yes there is. On the other hand, the original kitchen
had a HUGE amount of unreachable space in a corner, and the
kidney-shaped lazy susan makes it at least somewhat usable.
(Kidney- and Pie Cut seem to be used interchangeably--or is the
former's edges a bit more rounded?)

BTW, for other who want freestanding lazy susans, here is a
possibly useful site:

http://www.lazysusans.com/

--
Jean B.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> In article >, "Jean B." >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am gradually moving things into the new kitchen, and I am trying
>>>> to figure out the ideal placement for things in the cabinets and
>>>> drawers. (Some things will be exiled into another room, which
>>>> will function as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen.) Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Also, since I am still perfectly mobile, should I strive for
>>>> absolute convenience or make myself move? Maybe it's not great
>>>> for future mobility to make things too easy? What do you think?
>>> Conventional wisdom has things close to where they will most likely be
>>> used. What I'd do.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I realize that is the conventional thought--and I started out
>> doing that. Then I wondered whether that laziness would
>> eventually have negative ramifications? Of course, OTOH, if one
>> did become less able to get around, one might wish the things were
>> arranged in that conventional fashion.
>>
>> Anyway, do you have any suggestions about how things should be
>> arranged for convenience? I am feeling like I am reinventing the
>> wheel!
>
> What I said. I wouldn't consider it laziness, but efficient. I don't
> know your physical constraints and it sounds like you either have some
> or anticipate them.
>
> Think about your former layout ‹ did you ever find yourself saying, "I
> wish I had a place for that over here."
>
> <shrug>

I don't have any physical constraints now, but who knows what the
future holds?

I actually have never thought that in my current kitchen, and I
don't recall giving the arrangement a lot of thought. But then in
the current house, there are cabinets on two walls, not counting
the peninsula, and there was only one logical place to put things.

The new kitchen has two distinct and separate areas. One is not
near any appliances or the sink and seems to be a good place to do
major prep work etc.

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:53:53 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:09:43 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
>>>> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.
>>> They are a mixed blessing. It's easier to get to the things in back,
>>> but you can store fewer items.
>>>
>> Right--and I need the maximum amount of storage space.
>
> One thing going in your favor is that you have two kitchens now, so
> your auxiliary one can take the less used overflow. That's what I
> did.
>

Not really. Well, *I* have one plus a kitchenette--which may
mainly house art supplies. My daughter has a kitchen on the lower
level, but it doesn't have very many cabinets or much
counterspace*. I did claim a small room on her level to use for
storage, and I am going to use a similarly small room on the main
level as a pantry and auxiliary kitchen. I am going to TRY to
keep my counters pretty clear to facilitate cooking.

She is getting the medium-vintage Revereware and some other things
that I have more than one of. (I figure she does NOT need the
really old and very good Revereware until she figures out a bit
more about cooking.)

--
Jean B.

In article >, says...
> Speaking of shelving... I am thinking I will get extra shelves.
> Also, I am rearranging shelves. A tip for folks who might
> remodel... Sliding drawers on the lower cabinets sounded like a
> good idea, but the are NOT a good utilization of space.

oh? I have them and find exactly the opposite; far more fits into a
unit of drawers than into the same size unit with shelves. Plus, you can
see and reach everything far more easily. For instance, a single drawer
holds the electric handmixer,plus the big foodprocessor, its 3 bowls,
and all its blades and attachments, directly underneath the worktop both
are used on and their power sockets.

If I ever make another kitchen, all the below-counter storage will be
drawers and there won't be any cupboards at all.

I would rather go for a walk outside in fresh air, not in a kitchen. So
I'm all for a work-triangle where all the daily-use tools, machines,
cutlery, crockery, and kit are stored within three steps of the sink and
stove and the surfaces I work on.

Janet