First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.

http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html

Has the world gone completely nuts?

-sw

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:56:11 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>
> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>
> Has the world gone completely nuts?
>
> -sw

i saw that earlier this morning. between that and the costco riot, it
makes you wonder what they're putting in the chicken.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:46:37 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:56:11 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
> > now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
> >
> > http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
> >
> > Has the world gone completely nuts?
> >
> > -sw
>
> i saw that earlier this morning. between that and the costco riot, it
> makes you wonder what they're putting in the chicken.
>

I couldn't get away from repeated showings of those two videos
yesterday. As boring as it gets, TV should show more people in the
middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
like that.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:

> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> like that.

.....as would a bullet to the brain pan.

nb

Perpetrators have all the rights. I think cops should be able to use deadly force more; but so many cops are unstable, it's nuts.

I loved Falling Down, though the traffic jam scene at the beginning is excruciating.

I would venture a guess to say that most with rage issues were enabled by mom and dad as kids. Tantrum gets you what you want.

Heaven forbid a cop taze somebody, like that idiot in the Red Sox game.

I love it when the cops get sued because of some meth head losing it. Yeah, Rodney King beating was the wrong thing to do. Guess what? he went through all his settlement money on dope. Smoke it up, Rod. I know we should all be equal under the law; but when you've proven that you can't follow the laws at all, maybe it's time to forget about rehabilitation and think about throwing away the key and focusing on those who desire help. You can't counsel someone who doesn't desire change. These raging folks , if enabled as kids, think they are in the right. Mom told them so.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:39:34 +0000, Gorio wrote:

> notbob;1517357 Wrote:
>> On 2010-08-11, sf wrote:
>> -
>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
>> like that.-
>>
>> .....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>>
>> nb
>
> Perpetrators have all the rights. I think cops should be able to use
> deadly force more; but so many cops are unstable, it's nuts.
>
> I loved Falling Down, though the traffic jam scene at the beginning is
> excruciating.
>
> I would venture a guess to say that most with rage issues were enabled
> by mom and dad as kids. Tantrum gets you what you want.
>
> Heaven forbid a cop taze somebody, like that idiot in the Red Sox game.
>
> I love it when the cops get sued because of some meth head losing it.
> Yeah, Rodney King beating was the wrong thing to do. Guess what? he went
> through all his settlement money on dope. Smoke it up, Rod. I know we
> should all be equal under the law; but when you've proven that you can't
> follow the laws at all, maybe it's time to forget about rehabilitation
> and think about throwing away the key and focusing on those who desire
> help. You can't counsel someone who doesn't desire change. These raging
> folks , if enabled as kids, think they are in the right. Mom told them
> so.

so it's o.k. for the cops to beat the shit out of an unarmed man because
he's a drug user? really?

blake

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
>
> > middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> > charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> > like that.
>
> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>
Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant


--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
>>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
>>> like that.
>>
>> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>>
> Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant

The Austin Police Department can't shoot back at anyone without getting
sued. Shit, they even bowed down and shot a dog yesterday, and all hell
still broke loose.

Austin police can only open fire on unmarried, childless,
non-denominational White males from now on. They don't even need to be
criminals. Just pop a few White guys and call it even, OK?

-sw

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
>>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
>>> like that.
>>
>> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>>
> Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant

got in trouble? the ****ing cop shot a man in the back who was face down
on the station floor. he was lucky to get away with a verdict involuntary
manslaughter.

your pal,
blake

On Aug 11, 1:24*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:46:37 -0400, blake murphy
>
> > wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:56:11 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > > First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
> > > now it's McNugget rage! *This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>
> > >http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>
> > > Has the world gone completely nuts?
>
> > > -sw
>
> > i saw that earlier this morning. *between that and the costco riot, it
> > makes you wonder what they're putting in the chicken.
>
> I couldn't get away from repeated showings of those two videos
> yesterday. *As boring as it gets, TV should show more people in the
> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> charged and arrested. *A little public shame will be good for people
> like that.


Shame? What's THAT? Possibly an unknown emotion for some people.

Kalmia wrote:
>
> On Aug 11, 1:24 pm, sf > wrote:
> >
> > I couldn't get away from repeated showings of those two videos
> > yesterday. As boring as it gets, TV should show more people in the
> > middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> > charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> > like that.
>
> Shame? What's THAT? Possibly an unknown emotion for some people.

It's all those drugs they put in the chicken feed.

Il 11/08/2010 17:46, blake murphy ha scritto:

>> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
>> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>>
>> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>>
>> Has the world gone completely nuts?

> i saw that earlier this morning. between that and the costco riot, it
> makes you wonder what they're putting in the chicken.

Brings you up the concept of "smoking a chicken" under a brand new point
of view, ROTFL
--
Vilco
and the Family Stone

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:06:13 +0200, ViLco wrote:

> Brings you up the concept of "smoking a chicken" under a brand new point
> of view, ROTFL

It even comes dried, ready for the bong or for rolling:

http://compare.ebay.com/like/380157249712

-sw

Il 14/08/2010 21:31, Sqwertz ha scritto:

>> Brings you up the concept of "smoking a chicken" under a brand new point
>> of view, ROTFL

> It even comes dried, ready for the bong or for rolling:
>
> http://compare.ebay.com/like/380157249712

LOL, it's hash or nothing, here in good ol' Italy
--
Vilco
and the Family Stone

On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 23:36:31 +0200, ViLco wrote:

> Il 14/08/2010 21:31, Sqwertz ha scritto:
>
>>> Brings you up the concept of "smoking a chicken" under a brand new point
>>> of view, ROTFL
>
>> It even comes dried, ready for the bong or for rolling:
>>
>> http://compare.ebay.com/like/380157249712
>
> LOL, it's hash or nothing, here in good ol' Italy

How boring! I thought hash carried a really stiff penalty there, whereas
weed is petty stuff. That's how it is here.

-sw

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward,
> and
> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>
> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>
> Has the world gone completely nuts?
>
> -sw

>
Oh my god! She committed assault and battery over something as stupid as
McD's chicken nuggets? I doubt they're good enough to bother getting out of
the car for.

Reminds me of the Michael Douglas film 'Falling Down'. For those who
haven't seen it, the guy was having a really bad day. He goes into a place
and tried to order breakfast. Except it was about 5 minutes after the joint
stopped serving breakfast. So he pulled out an Uzi or something similar
(another part of his bad day, some punks tried to mug him; he got the best
of them then picked up a sachel containing all kids of weapons). The
manager finally talked him into ordering a burger instead. Then he got
upset because it looked nothing like the picture. Do they ever? LOL It was
a very strange, dark movie.

Jill

On 8/11/2010 12:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane
>> steward, and
>> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>>
>> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>>
>> Has the world gone completely nuts?
>>
>> -sw
>
>>
> Oh my god! She committed assault and battery over something as stupid as
> McD's chicken nuggets? I doubt they're good enough to bother getting out
> of the car for.
>
> Reminds me of the Michael Douglas film 'Falling Down'. For those who
> haven't seen it, the guy was having a really bad day. He goes into a
> place and tried to order breakfast. Except it was about 5 minutes after
> the joint stopped serving breakfast. So he pulled out an Uzi or
> something similar (another part of his bad day, some punks tried to mug
> him; he got the best of them then picked up a sachel containing all kids
> of weapons). The manager finally talked him into ordering a burger
> instead. Then he got upset because it looked nothing like the picture.
> Do they ever? LOL It was a very strange, dark movie.
>
> Jill

I always think of that movie every time I see the difference between
what the marketing department tells us and what the product actually
looks like.

jmcquown wrote:

> Oh my god! She committed assault and battery over something as
> stupid as McD's chicken nuggets? I doubt they're good enough to
> bother getting out of the car for.

Maybe that particular McDs got great reviews for their nuggets!
(laugh) (inside joke)

> Reminds me of the Michael Douglas film 'Falling Down'. For those who
> haven't seen it, the guy was having a really bad day. He goes into a
> place and tried to order breakfast. Except it was about 5 minutes
> after the joint stopped serving breakfast. So he pulled out an Uzi
> or something similar (another part of his bad day, some punks tried
> to mug him; he got the best of them then picked up a sachel
> containing all kids of weapons). The manager finally talked him into
> ordering a burger instead. Then he got upset because it looked
> nothing like the picture. Do they ever? LOL It was a very strange,
> dark movie.

I thought it was going to be a funny movie, instead it was really
disturbing!

nancy

On 8/11/10 9:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
>> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>>
>> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>>
>> Has the world gone completely nuts?
>>
>> -sw
>
>>
> Oh my god! She committed assault and battery over something as stupid as
> McD's chicken nuggets? I doubt they're good enough to bother getting out of
> the car for.

She was probably spoiled by her parents. I base that by the comments I read
from her mother in this CBS News article:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6759567.shtml

The article states that "The passenger's mother says it was the employees
who allowed it all to escalate. "

Sheesh, no one this 25-year-old is all screwed up.

Note that she was trying to order Chicken McNuggets at 6:30 AM in the
morning! Not at, lets say 10:20 AM (which on weekdays is just 10 minutes
before they start server the regular Lunch & Dinner menu).


- Peter

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:33:57 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> Reminds me of the Michael Douglas film 'Falling Down'.

That was one of my favorite movies. Pair it with "U-Turn" (Sean Penn, and
Whatsherface) and chase 'em with a couple 6-packs.

-sw

Jill wrote:

> Reminds me of the Michael Douglas film 'Falling Down'. For those who
> haven't seen it, the guy was having a really bad day. He goes into a
> place and tried to order breakfast. Except it was about 5 minutes after
> the joint stopped serving breakfast. So he pulled out an Uzi or something
> similar (another part of his bad day, some punks tried to mug him; he got
> the best of them then picked up a sachel containing all kids of weapons).
> The manager finally talked him into ordering a burger instead. Then he
> got upset because it looked nothing like the picture. Do they ever? LOL
> It was a very strange, dark movie.

Heh... one of my coworkers here bears a resemblance to the Michael Douglas
character in that film. We expect him to snap any day.

Bob

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:30:02 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Jill wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of the Michael Douglas film 'Falling Down'. For those who
>> haven't seen it, the guy was having a really bad day. He goes into a
>> place and tried to order breakfast. Except it was about 5 minutes after
>> the joint stopped serving breakfast. So he pulled out an Uzi or something
>> similar (another part of his bad day, some punks tried to mug him; he got
>> the best of them then picked up a sachel containing all kids of weapons).
>> The manager finally talked him into ordering a burger instead. Then he
>> got upset because it looked nothing like the picture. Do they ever? LOL
>> It was a very strange, dark movie.
>
> Heh... one of my coworkers here bears a resemblance to the Michael Douglas
> character in that film. We expect him to snap any day.
>
> Bob

keep your head down, bob.

your pal,
blake

On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> keep your head movng up and down, bob.

He hears that every day in the men's room.

"projectile vomit chick" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 12, 1:56 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>> keep your head movng up and down, bob.
>
> He hears that every day in the men's room.

Post editing. How lame. *yawn*

PVC wrote:

>> keep your head movng up and down, bob.
>
> He hears that every day in the men's room.

Back from your latest bender, are ya? How many Twinkies, Camels, and
Budweisers did you lay waste to *this* time?

Bob

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>
> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>
> Has the world gone completely nuts?

Yes.

The human psyche is particularly susceptible to "victim mentality" and
we are seeing that more and more. It's all part of the Great Global Tidy
Bowl Swirl (tm)...

Pete C. wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
>> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>>
>> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>>
>> Has the world gone completely nuts?
>
> Yes.
>
> The human psyche is particularly susceptible to "victim mentality" and
> we are seeing that more and more. It's all part of the Great Global Tidy
> Bowl Swirl (tm)...


Check out projectRANT.com :-)

Here's an amusing example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbmSvtcqXF0

(I also like the one with the old woman fussing about Honda drivers)

Bob

On 8/11/2010 11:03, Pete C. wrote:
>
> The human psyche is particularly susceptible to "victim mentality" and
> we are seeing that more and more. It's all part of the Great Global Tidy
> Bowl Swirl (tm)...

Hey look, I have no sympathy for the Costco cow and the McNuggets nut,
but I am full to the brim with understanding for the flight attendant.
I've been a nurse for three decades, an occupation that is treated more
and more by the public and employers alike as a servant class rather
than educated professionals with specialized skills. We are treated like
waiters and waitresses every day we work by the people we work for and
the people we are there to take care of, valued as warm bodies that take
orders and not for our reasoning brains and adeptness with skills that
can save your life. Patients and their families yell at us, swear at us,
threaten to have us fired, hit us, spit at us, make ridiculous demands
of our ever-decreasing time and resources, insult and demean us every
time we show up for work. Verbal and physical abuses that used to be the
privilege of psych patients are now hurled at us by otherwise functional
and rational patients who are highly unrealistic and intolerant of not
getting what they want when they want it, and our employers, under the
new and improved "customer service" approach to health care delivery,
stoke and stroke and feed and encourage these shitty behaviors in a
schizophrenic *******ization of the-customer-is-always-right philosophy
to the detriment of workplace functionality. I understand what this guy
has been seeing and hearing for the last twenty years. In the last two
days, I've heard more people say that they wish they could grab a beer
and take a slide out of their crappy work environment AND chew the
stupid ****ing patients and their stupid ****ing families and stupid
****ing visitors out before they go too. It would seem that any idiot
would know better than to behave the way these people do, but the Victim
Mentality in conjunction with the Entitlement Mentality have hold of
them and make them insufferable at a time when they need to shut their
****ing traps, do what they're told, show more gratitude and at least
say "thank you" once or twice instead of a constant litany of "gimme,"
"you have to," "I pay the bill so I can have anything I want," "if you
don't, I'll _________ (fill in the blank with stupid threat)," "so the
sign says we can't smoke in the rooms. Who's going to stop me, a sign?",
etc., etc., etc. There are good patients, to be sure. But the patients
who fill their and our time with their tantrums, noncompliance, abuse,
petty complaints, following us into other patients' rooms to hog our
attention, calling us out of other patients' rooms to hog our attention,
calling us at the nurses station from the phones in their rooms or their
cell phones to hog our attention, having their families make endless
phone calls to us for information, playing staff against each other,
playing managers against each other and, yes, even playing patients
against each other can be a total waste of time and breath.

Pennyaline wrote:
>
> On 8/11/2010 11:03, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > The human psyche is particularly susceptible to "victim mentality" and
> > we are seeing that more and more. It's all part of the Great Global Tidy
> > Bowl Swirl (tm)...
>
> Hey look, I have no sympathy for the Costco cow and the McNuggets nut,
> but I am full to the brim with understanding for the flight attendant.
> I've been a nurse for three decades, an occupation that is treated more
> and more by the public and employers alike as a servant class rather
> than educated professionals with specialized skills.

You need to wake up to the fact that "professional" or not, you work in
a *service* industry and your job is to provide service to your
customers. Doctors are no different.

> We are treated like
> waiters and waitresses every day we work by the people we work for and
> the people we are there to take care of, valued as warm bodies that take
> orders and not for our reasoning brains and adeptness with skills that
> can save your life. Patients and their families yell at us, swear at us,
> threaten to have us fired, hit us, spit at us, make ridiculous demands
> of our ever-decreasing time and resources, insult and demean us every
> time we show up for work. Verbal and physical abuses that used to be the
> privilege of psych patients are now hurled at us by otherwise functional
> and rational patients who are highly unrealistic and intolerant of not
> getting what they want when they want it, and our employers, under the
> new and improved "customer service" approach to health care delivery,
> stoke and stroke and feed and encourage these shitty behaviors in a
> schizophrenic *******ization of the-customer-is-always-right philosophy
> to the detriment of workplace functionality.

Like it or not, your customers are the ones who give the orders, and if
you don't follow them those customers have every right to fire you and
take their business elsewhere.

> I understand what this guy
> has been seeing and hearing for the last twenty years. In the last two
> days, I've heard more people say that they wish they could grab a beer
> and take a slide out of their crappy work environment AND chew the
> stupid ****ing patients and their stupid ****ing families and stupid
> ****ing visitors out before they go too. It would seem that any idiot
> would know better than to behave the way these people do, but the Victim
> Mentality in conjunction with the Entitlement Mentality have hold of
> them and make them insufferable at a time when they need to shut their
> ****ing traps, do what they're told, show more gratitude and at least
> say "thank you" once or twice instead of a constant litany of "gimme,"
> "you have to," "I pay the bill so I can have anything I want," "if you
> don't, I'll _________ (fill in the blank with stupid threat)," "so the
> sign says we can't smoke in the rooms. Who's going to stop me, a sign?",
> etc., etc., etc.

It has nothing to do with victim mentality or entitlement mentality. If
the customer is not getting acceptable service, they have every right to
fire you and take their business elsewhere. It is *your* entitlement
mentality that makes *you* think that somehow your service industry is
different from every other one and *you* somehow have a right to tell
the customer what to do. That's like walking into McDonald's, ordering a
Big Mac and having the droid at the register tell you your getting
McNugets instead, you have every right to tell them off and take your
business elsewhere. Get over your ego, you are a service worker just
like most everyone else.

> There are good patients, to be sure. But the patients
> who fill their and our time with their tantrums, noncompliance

It's not "noncompliance", it's "noncomplacence" and it saves lives that
would otherwise be lost to your screw ups. I have personal experience
with this and *I* would be dead if I was complacent and didn't trust my
instincts and tell an idiot doctor NO. I have at least one relative who
*is* dead due to blindly following a negligent doctor.

> , abuse,
> petty complaints, following us into other patients' rooms to hog our
> attention, calling us out of other patients' rooms to hog our attention,
> calling us at the nurses station from the phones in their rooms or their
> cell phones to hog our attention, having their families make endless
> phone calls to us for information, playing staff against each other,
> playing managers against each other and, yes, even playing patients
> against each other can be a total waste of time and breath.

Your time is not worth as much as your ego thinks it is.

On 8/12/2010 07:23, Pete C. wrote:
> You need to wake up to the fact that "professional" or not, you work in
> a *service* industry and your job is to provide service to your
> customers. Doctors are no different.

Yes, we provide service to the patients, but we are not SERVANTS. We do
not have to rearrange the furniture in the rooms because patients and
families tell us to. We will not go out to the parking lot and bring
your car up to the front entrance for you. We do not have to call your
food orders to the late-night fast food outlet, hold the money, pay the
guy when he gets here then truck your food down to your room for you. We
will help the patients with cares and activities of daily living, but we
won't provide the same assistance to your family members and visitors
while they're here. These are a few of the things that folks like you
think we're really expected to do and get bitched off when we don't.


> Like it or not, your customers are the ones who give the orders, and if
> you don't follow them those customers have every right to fire you and
> take their business elsewhere.

Our patients don't give us care orders. We get care orders from
physicians, therapists and so on, and operate under established
standards of care. The "orders" that we get from patients more
accurately fall into the category of "commands," and as I explained
previously, some of them are truly stupid.



> It has nothing to do with victim mentality or entitlement mentality. If
> the customer is not getting acceptable service, they have every right to
> fire you and take their business elsewhere.

Then do it--and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
The fact is that they are NOT going to "fire" us and take their business
elsewhere, at least not this trip. The ploy is to make us feel
threatened and intimidated, to make us feel as though we will be on the
unemployment line if we don't let the brittle diabetic eat a bag of
Oreos (not a little bag but a big bag, a big big package smuggled in by
enabling family because "Mama wants it, she called me and told me to
bring it") or expect patients to adhere to their plans of care at least
as long as they are hospitalized.



> It is *your* entitlement
> mentality that makes *you* think that somehow your service industry is
> different from every other one and *you* somehow have a right to tell
> the customer what to do. That's like walking into McDonald's, ordering a
> Big Mac and having the droid at the register tell you your getting
> McNugets instead, you have every right to tell them off and take your
> business elsewhere. Get over your ego, you are a service worker just
> like most everyone else.

We don't sell burgers and chicken parts and what we do it not analogous
to the fast food industry. Patients sometimes do have the knowledge to
order up their care, but it doesn't mean they're going to get it that way.



> It's not "noncompliance", it's "noncomplacence" and it saves lives that
> would otherwise be lost to your screw ups. I have personal experience
> with this and *I* would be dead if I was complacent and didn't trust my
> instincts and tell an idiot doctor NO. I have at least one relative who
> *is* dead due to blindly following a negligent doctor.

I can see that you think little of health care workers, which causes me
to wonder if I should continue trying to get through to you or just send
you down the slide, as it were, instead. Let it be enough to say that
we're all going to be dead someday, no matter who we follow.



> Your time is not worth as much as your ego thinks it is.

And what is yours worth?

On 8/12/2010 07:23, Pete C. wrote:
>
> Pennyaline wrote:
>> We are treated like
>> waiters and waitresses every day we work by the people we work for and
>> the people we are there to take care of, valued as warm bodies that take
>> orders and not for our reasoning brains and adeptness with skills that
>> can save your life. Patients and their families yell at us, swear at us,
>> threaten to have us fired, hit us, spit at us, make ridiculous demands
>> of our ever-decreasing time and resources, insult and demean us every
>> time we show up for work. Verbal and physical abuses that used to be the
>> privilege of psych patients are now hurled at us by otherwise functional
>> and rational patients who are highly unrealistic and intolerant of not
>> getting what they want when they want it, and our employers, under the
>> new and improved "customer service" approach to health care delivery,
>> stoke and stroke and feed and encourage these shitty behaviors in a
>> schizophrenic *******ization of the-customer-is-always-right philosophy
>> to the detriment of workplace functionality.
>
> Like it or not, your customers are the ones who give the orders, and if
> you don't follow them those customers have every right to fire you and
> take their business elsewhere.

So that gives them the right to use verbal and physical abuse, and to
threaten our jobs because we won't let them injure themselves while
they're inpatients? I just don't think it does.

You must make the day of flight attendants and fast food workers
everywhere, huh?

Incidentally, despite the nonsensical approach to health care delivery
that is in vogue right now, if a patient remains willingly noncompliant
and self-injurious he or she will find insurance benefits withdrawn and
will be discharged without ceremony. The facility has the right to
"fire" the patient, so to speak. So to bring this back into its original
context, when an airline passenger is noncompliant, belligerent,
abusive, assaultive or posing a potential safety hazard on a flight, the
airline should take steps to "fire" that passenger and send his or her
business elsewhere for the sake of its own safe operation. Whatever the
business, customers are not always right.

Pennyaline wrote:
>
> On 8/12/2010 07:23, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > Pennyaline wrote:
> >> We are treated like
> >> waiters and waitresses every day we work by the people we work for and
> >> the people we are there to take care of, valued as warm bodies that take
> >> orders and not for our reasoning brains and adeptness with skills that
> >> can save your life. Patients and their families yell at us, swear at us,
> >> threaten to have us fired, hit us, spit at us, make ridiculous demands
> >> of our ever-decreasing time and resources, insult and demean us every
> >> time we show up for work. Verbal and physical abuses that used to be the
> >> privilege of psych patients are now hurled at us by otherwise functional
> >> and rational patients who are highly unrealistic and intolerant of not
> >> getting what they want when they want it, and our employers, under the
> >> new and improved "customer service" approach to health care delivery,
> >> stoke and stroke and feed and encourage these shitty behaviors in a
> >> schizophrenic *******ization of the-customer-is-always-right philosophy
> >> to the detriment of workplace functionality.
> >
> > Like it or not, your customers are the ones who give the orders, and if
> > you don't follow them those customers have every right to fire you and
> > take their business elsewhere.
>
> So that gives them the right to use verbal and physical abuse, and to
> threaten our jobs because we won't let them injure themselves while
> they're inpatients? I just don't think it does.

If you don't follow your customers instructions, you are at fault. Your
options are simple, follow their instructions or walk away, they have
the right to refuse you and take their business elsewhere.

>
> You must make the day of flight attendants and fast food workers
> everywhere, huh?

I expect so, since I don't ask them for anything out of the ordinary,
and I always receive the expected service. Flight attendants and fast
food workers generally do not have ego issue like those in the medical
service industry do.

>
> Incidentally, despite the nonsensical approach to health care delivery
> that is in vogue right now, if a patient remains willingly noncompliant
> and self-injurious he or she will find insurance benefits withdrawn and
> will be discharged without ceremony. The facility has the right to
> "fire" the patient, so to speak.

Yes, you do indeed have the right to turn away a customer, but you do
not have a right to force yourself on a customer as some of your ilk
with inflated egos seem to think.

> So to bring this back into its original
> context, when an airline passenger is noncompliant, belligerent,
> abusive, assaultive or posing a potential safety hazard on a flight, the
> airline should take steps to "fire" that passenger and send his or her
> business elsewhere for the sake of its own safe operation. Whatever the
> business, customers are not always right.

Certainly if the flight attendant was actually physically assaulted by
the passenger, and not a case of them getting in the way when heavy
stuff was being moved and being accidentally hit, that is a criminal
matter. A doctor or nurse forcing themselves on someone who is clearly
refusing "treatment" is also a criminal matter.

In article >,
Pennyaline > wrote:
>On 8/12/2010 07:23, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> Pennyaline wrote:

(people astonishingly rude to other people who are trying to keep them
alive)

>> Like it or not, your customers are the ones who give the orders, and if
>> you don't follow them those customers have every right to fire you and
>> take their business elsewhere.

Um, no, the doctors and other medical professionals give the orders.

>So that gives them the right to use verbal and physical abuse, and to
>threaten our jobs because we won't let them injure themselves while
>they're inpatients? I just don't think it does.

Nor do I.

>You must make the day of flight attendants and fast food workers
>everywhere, huh?

And customer service staff, IT staff ...

>Incidentally, despite the nonsensical approach to health care delivery
>that is in vogue right now, if a patient remains willingly noncompliant
>and self-injurious he or she will find insurance benefits withdrawn and
>will be discharged without ceremony. The facility has the right to
>"fire" the patient, so to speak. So to bring this back into its original
>context, when an airline passenger is noncompliant, belligerent,
>abusive, assaultive or posing a potential safety hazard on a flight, the
>airline should take steps to "fire" that passenger and send his or her
>business elsewhere for the sake of its own safe operation. Whatever the
>business, customers are not always right.

On an airplane, causing that sort of ruckus could get you arrested these
days. It's sad that it takes that to instill the idea of basic
self-control and consideration in.

Herb Kelleher of Southwest Airlines once "fired" a person in the ticket
line once who was loudly abusive to a staff member who was making
considerable efforts to help by pulling the cost of the woman's ticket
out of his pocket, giving it to her, and asking her to never fly his
airline again.

ObFood: I've taken food to the hospital, but that was mostly to
substitute something not covered in cream gravy or fruit not out of a can
for the hospital food. Which was in a really sorry state. God knows I'd
want someone to bring me something if I were in.

Charlotte
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On Aug 11, 10:55*pm, Pennyaline > wrote:
> On 8/11/2010 11:03, Pete C. wrote:
>
>
>
> > The human psyche is particularly susceptible to "victim mentality" and
> > we are seeing that more and more. It's all part of the Great Global Tidy
> > Bowl Swirl (tm)...
>
> Hey look, I have no sympathy for the Costco cow and the McNuggets nut,
> but I am full to the brim with understanding for the flight attendant.
> I've been a nurse for three decades, an occupation that is treated more
> and more by the public and employers alike as a servant class rather
> than educated professionals with specialized skills. We are treated like
> waiters and waitresses every day we work by the people we work for and
> the people we are there to take care of, valued as warm bodies that take
> orders and not for our reasoning brains and adeptness with skills that
> can save your life. Patients and their families yell at us, swear at us,
> threaten to have us fired, hit us, spit at us, make ridiculous demands
> of our ever-decreasing time and resources, insult and demean us every
> time we show up for work. Verbal and physical abuses that used to be the
> privilege of psych patients are now hurled at us by otherwise functional
> and rational patients who are highly unrealistic and intolerant of not
> getting what they want when they want it, and our employers, under the
> new and improved "customer service" approach to health care delivery,
> stoke and stroke and feed and encourage these shitty behaviors in a
> schizophrenic *******ization of the-customer-is-always-right philosophy
> to the detriment of workplace functionality. I understand what this guy
> has been seeing and hearing for the last twenty years. In the last two
> days, I've heard more people say that they wish they could grab a beer
> and take a slide out of their crappy work environment AND chew the
> stupid ****ing patients and their stupid ****ing families and stupid
> ****ing visitors out before they go too. It would seem that any idiot
> would know better than to behave the way these people do, but the Victim
> Mentality in conjunction with the Entitlement Mentality have hold of
> them and make them insufferable at a time when they need to shut their
> ****ing traps, do what they're told, show more gratitude and at least
> say "thank you" once or twice instead of a constant litany of "gimme,"
> "you have to," "I pay the bill so I can have anything I want," "if you
> don't, I'll _________ (fill in the blank with stupid threat)," "so the
> sign says we can't smoke in the rooms. Who's going to stop me, a sign?",
> etc., etc., etc. *There are good patients, to be sure. But the patients
> who fill their and our time with their tantrums, noncompliance, abuse,
> petty complaints, following us into other patients' rooms to hog our
> attention, calling us out of other patients' rooms to hog our attention,
> calling us at the nurses station from the phones in their rooms or their
> cell phones to hog our attention, having their families make endless
> phone calls to us for information, playing staff against each other,
> playing managers against each other and, yes, even playing patients
> against each other can be a total waste of time and breath.

==
I have been in hospitals as a patient perhaps eight times total. I
always respected nurses and never had any problems other than once
after major surgery.

If ever I wished for a person to have a major accident it was a nurse
who hated men and showed it every time she had to do anything for me.
I believe they call it elder abuse and this woman specialized in it.
Anyone who denigrates those unable to fight back because of illness or
incapacitating condition should be fired. I should have reported the
miserable harridan...thank gawd I will never have to enter that
facility again. It was only by chance that I had emergency surgery in
a city far from home but an experience that I will not soon forget.
==

Roy wrote:

>
> If ever I wished for a person to have a major accident it was a nurse
> who hated men and showed it every time she had to do anything for me.
> I believe they call it elder abuse and this woman specialized in it.
> Anyone who denigrates those unable to fight back because of illness or
> incapacitating condition should be fired. I should have reported the
> miserable harridan...thank gawd I will never have to enter that
> facility again. It was only by chance that I had emergency surgery in
> a city far from home but an experience that I will not soon forget.


My father had a nasty nurse when he was hospitalized for about a month
before he died. He was in a palliative care ward and his room mate had
crapped his bed. The nurse yelled and screamed at the poor guy, and the
man died a few hours later.

On Aug 12, 1:00*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Roy wrote:
>
> > If ever I wished for a person to have a major accident it was a nurse
> > who hated men and showed it every time she had to do anything for me.
> > I believe they call it elder abuse and this woman specialized in it.
> > Anyone who denigrates those unable to fight back because of illness or
> > incapacitating condition should be fired. I should have reported the
> > miserable harridan...thank gawd I will never have to enter that
> > facility again. It was only by chance that I had emergency surgery in
> > a city far from home but an experience that I will not soon forget.
>
> My father had a nasty nurse when he was hospitalized for about a month
> before he died. He was in a palliative care ward and his room mate had
> crapped his bed. The nurse yelled and screamed at the poor guy, and the
> man died a few hours later.

==
Its too bad that there are incompetents who seem to slip under the
radar of supervisors and management. They can do incalculable harm
before being exposed.
==

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:00:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> My father had a nasty nurse when he was hospitalized for about a month
> before he died. He was in a palliative care ward and his room mate had
> crapped his bed. The nurse yelled and screamed at the poor guy, and the
> man died a few hours later.

Too many people mix up the different levels of nurses. People seem to
think that everyone is the same because they all wear white. I look
for RN on the nametag. That was probably a nurse's aide or assistant.
I know when I'm hospitalized, the people who change bed sheets can be
downright unprofessional, but a full fledged registered nurse is
competent at her job and has a good bedside manner. That's all I ask.

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Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On 8/11/2010 10:56 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>
> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>
> Has the world gone completely nuts?

I do wonder what else was going on in her life that not being able to
get McNuggets pushed her over the edge.

On Aug 11, 11:30*am, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> On 8/11/2010 10:56 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
> > now it's McNugget rage! *This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>
> >http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>
> > Has the world gone completely nuts?
>
> I do wonder what else was going on in her life that not being able to
> get McNuggets pushed her over the edge.

==
You would not believe how many "spoiled brats" there are in this
world. North American society churns them out en masse. Instant
gratification is the rule, not the exception. Why wait for
anything?...scream and holler and dad or mom will provide it...the kid
will hate you forever if he/she isn't catered to, don't you know?
==

In article >,
J. Clarke > wrote:
>On 8/11/2010 10:56 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> First it was the CostCo rotisserie chickens, then the airplane steward, and
>> now it's McNugget rage! This one tops the first two, IMNSHO.
>>
>> http://www.wpxi.com/video/24572107/index.html
>>
>> Has the world gone completely nuts?
>
>I do wonder what else was going on in her life that not being able to
>get McNuggets pushed her over the edge.

Having seen the vid, I wouldn't take money against "high as a kite".

I hope she got some help for that (or whatever) as part of her
sentencing.

Charlotte
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