On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:

> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> like that.

.....as would a bullet to the brain pan.

nb

Perpetrators have all the rights. I think cops should be able to use deadly force more; but so many cops are unstable, it's nuts.

I loved Falling Down, though the traffic jam scene at the beginning is excruciating.

I would venture a guess to say that most with rage issues were enabled by mom and dad as kids. Tantrum gets you what you want.

Heaven forbid a cop taze somebody, like that idiot in the Red Sox game.

I love it when the cops get sued because of some meth head losing it. Yeah, Rodney King beating was the wrong thing to do. Guess what? he went through all his settlement money on dope. Smoke it up, Rod. I know we should all be equal under the law; but when you've proven that you can't follow the laws at all, maybe it's time to forget about rehabilitation and think about throwing away the key and focusing on those who desire help. You can't counsel someone who doesn't desire change. These raging folks , if enabled as kids, think they are in the right. Mom told them so.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:39:34 +0000, Gorio wrote:

> notbob;1517357 Wrote:
>> On 2010-08-11, sf wrote:
>> -
>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
>> like that.-
>>
>> .....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>>
>> nb
>
> Perpetrators have all the rights. I think cops should be able to use
> deadly force more; but so many cops are unstable, it's nuts.
>
> I loved Falling Down, though the traffic jam scene at the beginning is
> excruciating.
>
> I would venture a guess to say that most with rage issues were enabled
> by mom and dad as kids. Tantrum gets you what you want.
>
> Heaven forbid a cop taze somebody, like that idiot in the Red Sox game.
>
> I love it when the cops get sued because of some meth head losing it.
> Yeah, Rodney King beating was the wrong thing to do. Guess what? he went
> through all his settlement money on dope. Smoke it up, Rod. I know we
> should all be equal under the law; but when you've proven that you can't
> follow the laws at all, maybe it's time to forget about rehabilitation
> and think about throwing away the key and focusing on those who desire
> help. You can't counsel someone who doesn't desire change. These raging
> folks , if enabled as kids, think they are in the right. Mom told them
> so.

so it's o.k. for the cops to beat the shit out of an unarmed man because
he's a drug user? really?

blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:39:34 +0000, Gorio wrote:

> > I love it when the cops get sued because of some meth head losing it.
> > Yeah, Rodney King beating was the wrong thing to do.

> so it's o.k. for the cops to beat the shit out of an unarmed man because
> he's a drug user? really?

20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. After the fact, it turned out
that both Oscar Grant and Rodney King were unarmed. Neither cooperated
to let the police determine whether they had deadly weapons. When they
both refused to keep their hands away from their bodies, the police
claimed that they assumed they could be reaching for a deadly weapon.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
>
> > middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> > charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> > like that.
>
> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>
Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant


--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
>>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
>>> like that.
>>
>> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>>
> Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant

The Austin Police Department can't shoot back at anyone without getting
sued. Shit, they even bowed down and shot a dog yesterday, and all hell
still broke loose.

Austin police can only open fire on unmarried, childless,
non-denominational White males from now on. They don't even need to be
criminals. Just pop a few White guys and call it even, OK?

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> >>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> >>> like that.
> >>
> >> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
> >>
> > Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> > enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant
>
> The Austin Police Department can't shoot back at anyone without getting
> sued. Shit, they even bowed down and shot a dog yesterday, and all hell
> still broke loose.
>
> Austin police can only open fire on unmarried, childless,
> non-denominational White males from now on. They don't even need to be
> criminals. Just pop a few White guys and call it even, OK?
>
> -sw

This is Texas, the cops just need to look the other way for a few
minutes while a civilian takes care of the problem for them.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...

>
> The Austin Police Department can't shoot back at anyone without getting
> sued. Shit, they even bowed down and shot a dog yesterday, and all hell
> still broke loose.
>
All hell breaks loose when police shoot dogs here, too. There was a case
about a year or two ago where the house of a mayor of a nearby city was
raided and the elderly mother and wife were bound by the police and the dogs
shot all because of a shipment of drugs not meant for them.


> Austin police can only open fire on unmarried, childless,
> non-denominational White males from now on. They don't even need to be
> criminals. Just pop a few White guys and call it even, OK?
>
> -sw

Cheryl wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> The Austin Police Department can't shoot back at anyone without getting
>> sued. Shit, they even bowed down and shot a dog yesterday, and all hell
>> still broke loose.
>>
> All hell breaks loose when police shoot dogs here, too. There was a
> case about a year or two ago where the house of a mayor of a nearby city
> was raided and the elderly mother and wife were bound by the police and
> the dogs shot all because of a shipment of drugs not meant for them.
>
>


I remember that case, in Berwyn Heights, MD. The mayor's name was
Calvo. The police knew the drugs were not intended for Calvo,
*because they planted them* on the porch. They went apeshit when
someone inside the house saw them lurking outside and "blew their
cover". One of the dogs they shot was running away and they
followed it into the other room so they could shoot it.

The police deny any wrongdoing, have only conditionally cleared
Calvo, and as far as I know have refused to settle and a lawsuit is
still pending.

If someone as politically-connected as a mayor still hasn't gotten
satisfaction after 2 years, what chance to any of us peons have?

Bob

On 8/12/2010 12:07 AM, zxcvbob wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> The Austin Police Department can't shoot back at anyone without getting
>>> sued. Shit, they even bowed down and shot a dog yesterday, and all hell
>>> still broke loose.
>>>
>> All hell breaks loose when police shoot dogs here, too. There was a
>> case about a year or two ago where the house of a mayor of a nearby
>> city was raided and the elderly mother and wife were bound by the
>> police and the dogs shot all because of a shipment of drugs not meant
>> for them.
>>
>>
>
>
> I remember that case, in Berwyn Heights, MD. The mayor's name was Calvo.
> The police knew the drugs were not intended for Calvo, *because they
> planted them* on the porch. They went apeshit when someone inside the
> house saw them lurking outside and "blew their cover". One of the dogs
> they shot was running away and they followed it into the other room so
> they could shoot it.
>
> The police deny any wrongdoing, have only conditionally cleared Calvo,
> and as far as I know have refused to settle and a lawsuit is still pending.
>
> If someone as politically-connected as a mayor still hasn't gotten
> satisfaction after 2 years, what chance to any of us peons have?

And this is the government that expects us trust it to take care of us.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
>>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
>>> like that.
>>
>> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
>>
> Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant

got in trouble? the ****ing cop shot a man in the back who was face down
on the station floor. he was lucky to get away with a verdict involuntary
manslaughter.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:15:56 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> >>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> >>> like that.
> >>
> >> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
> >>
> > Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> > enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant
>
> got in trouble? the ****ing cop shot a man in the back who was face down
> on the station floor. he was lucky to get away with a verdict involuntary
> manslaughter.
>
Have you seen those tasers? They are gun shaped. It was an accident
waiting to happen. In any case, BART police should not be carrying
guns IMO. Why do they need guns? To protect the public against fare
evaders?

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:15:56 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:34:07 -0700, sf wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:53:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2010-08-11, sf > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> middle of their public temper tantrums along with noting them being
> > >>> charged and arrested. A little public shame will be good for people
> > >>> like that.
> > >>
> > >> ....as would a bullet to the brain pan.
> > >>
> > > Who's going to do it? No me and certainly not the police. They have
> > > enough trouble as it is. Just look at the Mehserle case.
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant
> >
> > got in trouble? the ****ing cop shot a man in the back who was face down
> > on the station floor. he was lucky to get away with a verdict involuntary
> > manslaughter.
> >
> Have you seen those tasers? They are gun shaped. It was an accident
> waiting to happen. In any case, BART police should not be carrying
> guns IMO. Why do they need guns? To protect the public against fare
> evaders?

I've seen and handled Tazers, and I own several handguns. The law
enforcement market Tazers are more gun shaped than the consumer market
Tazers, but shapes are still only somewhat similar and certainly the
feel in the hand is quite different. A key difference is the grip which
is shorter than that of any service pistol, something you would clearly
feel when only two of your finger s fit on the grip. The bright yellow
color of most of the Tazers used by law enforcement as well as the very
bulky front end of a Tazer are instantly recognizable when acquiring a
sight picture. You can check the 'net for pictures of a Tazer and a
handgun to see the clear difference yourself.

The claim that the officer in question meant to draw the tazer would be
supported or not by their reaction in the seconds following the
shooting. I don't recall the video of the shooting, but it should be
clear if there was a reaction of shock / horror on the officer's part
indicating it was really a mistake.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> The claim that the officer in question meant to draw the tazer would be
> supported or not by their reaction in the seconds following the
> shooting. I don't recall the video of the shooting, but it should be
> clear if there was a reaction of shock / horror on the officer's part
> indicating it was really a mistake.

I believe there was and that's why he got a lighter sentence.

--

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0500, "Pete C." >

>> The claim that the officer in question meant to draw the tazer would be
>> supported or not by their reaction in the seconds following the
>> shooting. I don't recall the video of the shooting, but it should be
>> clear if there was a reaction of shock / horror on the officer's part
>> indicating it was really a mistake.

>I believe there was and that's why he got a lighter sentence.

The problem with the "I thought it was my Taser" defense is that
any cop could claim such a defense in any shooting. If a defendant
makes a statement that is information-free in the sense that any defendant
could make the same statement, the jurors should ignore it and should
be instructed to ignore it.

I'm guessing the Taser Corporation salesmen are now telling their
cop customers that they need to always carry a Taser so they
can use the Taser Defense.

Steve