On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:

> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......

On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?

nb

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:
>
>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>
>On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>
>nb

In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, and paying the fee.
It's more difficult to get a motor vehical operator's license. It's a
lot more difficult to obtain a barber's license... nowadays there are
very few licensed barbers. Unfortunately one doesn't need any kind of
documentation to prepare food commercially... most people who prepare
our food are illiterate... the business owners are educated and need
permits but the food workers don't need to be able to read and write
and most cannot. The typical cook's job is extremely repetative, it's
best that they are not educated.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:
>>
>>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>> On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>>
>> nb
>
> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, and paying the fee.


Not anywhere we've ever lived. Most states require xxx hours of class
Sometimes in both a vocational h.s. program plus private cosmetology
school hours, plus yyy hours of apprenticeship, documented, plus an exam.

gloria p

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:35:32 -0600, gloria.p wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>>> On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
>> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, and paying the fee.
>
> Not anywhere we've ever lived. Most states require xxx hours of class
> Sometimes in both a vocational h.s. program plus private cosmetology
> school hours, plus yyy hours of apprenticeship, documented, plus an exam.
>
> gloria p

sheldon doesn't know what the **** he's talking about? what a surprise.

your pal,
blake

On 8/20/2010 10:14 PM, brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, > wrote:
>
>> On 2010-08-21, Ema > wrote:
>>
>>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>>
>> On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>>
>> nb
>
> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, and paying the fee.


But that is completely incorrect as usual. A good friend and a relative
own businesses that hire licensed staff. Both extensive training and an
extensive exam are the norm. Here are the requirements in PA just to be
able to take the comprehensive exam:


§ 7.32d. Requirements for cosmetologist examination.

(a) An applicant for the cosmetologist examination who holds no
limited licenses shall:

(1) Be 16 years of age or older.

(2) Except as provided in subsection (b), have done one of the
following:

(i) Completed a 10th grade education or its equivalent.

(ii) Received training from or under the auspices of the Office
of Vocational Rehabilitation in the Department of Labor and Industry.

(3) Have done one of the following:

(i) Completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in
cosmetology, within a period of not less than 8 consecutive months, as a
day-time student in a licensed school of cosmetology.

(ii) Completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in
cosmetology, within a period of not less than 15 consecutive months, as
a night-time student in a licensed school of cosmetology.

(iii) Completed 2,000 hours of training in a Board-approved
cosmetology apprentice program.


> It's more difficult to get a motor vehical operator's license. It's a
> lot more difficult to obtain a barber's license... nowadays there are
> very few licensed barbers. Unfortunately one doesn't need any kind of
> documentation to prepare food commercially... most people who prepare
> our food are illiterate... the business owners are educated and need
> permits but the food workers don't need to be able to read and write
> and most cannot. The typical cook's job is extremely repetative, it's
> best that they are not educated.
>
>

On 8/21/2010 7:22 AM, George wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 10:14 PM, brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-08-21, Ema > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>>>
>>> On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
>> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, and paying the fee.
>
>
> But that is completely incorrect as usual. A good friend and a relative
> own businesses that hire licensed staff. Both extensive training and an
> extensive exam are the norm. Here are the requirements in PA just to be
> able to take the comprehensive exam:
>
>
> § 7.32d. Requirements for cosmetologist examination.
>
> (a) An applicant for the cosmetologist examination who holds no limited
> licenses shall:
>
> (1) Be 16 years of age or older.
>
> (2) Except as provided in subsection (b), have done one of the following:
>
> (i) Completed a 10th grade education or its equivalent.
>
> (ii) Received training from or under the auspices of the Office of
> Vocational Rehabilitation in the Department of Labor and Industry.
>
> (3) Have done one of the following:
>
> (i) Completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in cosmetology,
> within a period of not less than 8 consecutive months, as a day-time
> student in a licensed school of cosmetology.
>
> (ii) Completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in cosmetology,
> within a period of not less than 15 consecutive months, as a night-time
> student in a licensed school of cosmetology.
>
> (iii) Completed 2,000 hours of training in a Board-approved cosmetology
> apprentice program.

You have to remember that these things vary by state. Wasn't too long
ago that in one state one could become a lawyer by deciding one day "I
want to be a lawyer", walking in off the street the day of the bar exam,
and passing the exam.

>> It's more difficult to get a motor vehical operator's license. It's a
>> lot more difficult to obtain a barber's license... nowadays there are
>> very few licensed barbers. Unfortunately one doesn't need any kind of
>> documentation to prepare food commercially... most people who prepare
>> our food are illiterate... the business owners are educated and need
>> permits but the food workers don't need to be able to read and write
>> and most cannot. The typical cook's job is extremely repetative, it's
>> best that they are not educated.
>>
>>
>

On 8/21/2010 10:58 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 8/21/2010 7:22 AM, George wrote:
>> On 8/20/2010 10:14 PM, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-08-21, Ema > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>>>>
>>>> On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
>>> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, and paying the fee.
>>
>>
>> But that is completely incorrect as usual. A good friend and a relative
>> own businesses that hire licensed staff. Both extensive training and an
>> extensive exam are the norm. Here are the requirements in PA just to be
>> able to take the comprehensive exam:
>>
>>
>> § 7.32d. Requirements for cosmetologist examination.
>>
>> (a) An applicant for the cosmetologist examination who holds no limited
>> licenses shall:
>>
>> (1) Be 16 years of age or older.
>>
>> (2) Except as provided in subsection (b), have done one of the following:
>>
>> (i) Completed a 10th grade education or its equivalent.
>>
>> (ii) Received training from or under the auspices of the Office of
>> Vocational Rehabilitation in the Department of Labor and Industry.
>>
>> (3) Have done one of the following:
>>
>> (i) Completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in cosmetology,
>> within a period of not less than 8 consecutive months, as a day-time
>> student in a licensed school of cosmetology.
>>
>> (ii) Completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in cosmetology,
>> within a period of not less than 15 consecutive months, as a night-time
>> student in a licensed school of cosmetology.
>>
>> (iii) Completed 2,000 hours of training in a Board-approved cosmetology
>> apprentice program.
>
> You have to remember that these things vary by state. Wasn't too long
> ago that in one state one could become a lawyer by deciding one day "I
> want to be a lawyer", walking in off the street the day of the bar exam,
> and passing the exam.
>

Sure but the declaration was "in the US" and was in the present tense.

I think what you described about just walking in and taking any sort of
test such as the bar exam went away some time ago.

>>> It's more difficult to get a motor vehical operator's license. It's a
>>> lot more difficult to obtain a barber's license... nowadays there are
>>> very few licensed barbers. Unfortunately one doesn't need any kind of
>>> documentation to prepare food commercially... most people who prepare
>>> our food are illiterate... the business owners are educated and need
>>> permits but the food workers don't need to be able to read and write
>>> and most cannot. The typical cook's job is extremely repetative, it's
>>> best that they are not educated.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:58:28 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

> On 8/21/2010 7:22 AM, George wrote:
>>
>> But that is completely incorrect as usual. A good friend and a relative
>> own businesses that hire licensed staff. Both extensive training and an
>> extensive exam are the norm. Here are the requirements in PA just to be
>> able to take the comprehensive exam:
>>
>>
>> § 7.32d. Requirements for cosmetologist examination.

<snip>
>
> You have to remember that these things vary by state. Wasn't too long
> ago that in one state one could become a lawyer by deciding one day "I
> want to be a lawyer", walking in off the street the day of the bar exam,
> and passing the exam.

that's said to be abe lincoln's path to becoming a lawyer:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Early_career_and_military_service>

'reading the law' and then taking the bar exam used to be quite common.
judging from some of the numbskulls emerging from law schools today, i'm
not so sure it was a bad system.

your pal,
blake

On Aug 20, 7:14*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:
>
> >> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>
> >On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>
> >nb
>
> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, *and paying the fee.
> It's more difficult to get a motor vehical operator's license. *I


not here in california. cosmetology students need 1500 hours of of
combined classroom and apprentice work at the school of choice, then
take a state cosmetology licensing exam.

harriet & critters

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:32:58 -0700 (PDT), "critters & me in azusa, ca"
> wrote:

>On Aug 20, 7:14*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:04:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:
>>
>> >> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
>>
>> >On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>>
>> >nb
>>
>> In the US one can get a cosmotologist/hairdresser license by being
>> sponsored by a shop owner, passing a simple test, *and paying the fee.
>> It's more difficult to get a motor vehical operator's license. *I
>
>
>not here in california. cosmetology students need 1500 hours of of
>combined classroom and apprentice work at the school of choice, then
>take a state cosmetology licensing exam.
>
>harriet & critters

Seems each state has different requirements. CA appears to be more
stringent than others, they don't even recognize reciprocity. Seems
very political to me to make becoming a hair dresser so costly.

I know that in NY one can enrol in a cosmotology school but many of
the larger salons are licenced to train, and they will aid in
obtaining ones license. NY also accepts reciprocity, so that many
people, especially from other countries can continue working rather
than go on the dole... many Asians are excellent cosmotologists but
can't read or write English, why should that prevent them from earning
a living out in the open and instead force them to operate out of a
basement... no one needs to be literate to do hair and nails. An
apprentice program with paid on the job training is exctly what the US
needs in all vocations to help people become gainfully employed...
it's plain silly to politicize employment by forcing the creation of
unnecessary schools, making those schools wealthy, and filling the
political coffers that pay for more bureaucrats. Those who need
employment the most and are very capabable are being discriminated
against through political blackmailing. In CA you practically need a
Phd to paint nails but need no training whatsoever to prepare food for
public consumption.

http://www.beautyschoolsdirectory.com/faq/state_req.php

On 2010-08-21, brooklyn1 > wrote:

> against through political blackmailing. In CA you practically need a
> Phd to paint nails but need no training whatsoever to prepare food for
> public consumption.

Actually, hairdressing in CA is stringent, but not so for a
manicurist, one point. My daughter did the manicure thing at a long
established cosmotology school. Despite formal schooling being
available, no state license was necessary, though most places did not
hire you unless you had one.

Later, the Vietnamese who immigrated after the war discovered this
and literally took over the industry, all Viet nail shops undercutting
almost everyone else out of the business by the late 80s. This later
ended up being a major problem as the hordes of Viet shops apparently
had cut costs by never changing antiseptic soak baths or whatever they
use and major outbreaks of scarring infections and flesh eating
whatever became common news. Also, no expense on ventilation, so
walking into a Viet nail shop was like entering the gas mask station
on an Army obstacle course. CA may have severly cracked down on the
industry, since then. I hope so, as it had become quite the scandal
at one point.

nb

"brooklyn1" > wrote

>
> Seems each state has different requirements. CA appears to be more
> stringent than others, they don't even recognize reciprocity. Seems
> very political to me to make becoming a hair dresser so costly.
>
> I know that in NY one can enrol in a cosmotology school but many of
> the larger salons are licenced to train, and they will aid in
> obtaining ones license.

There was a battle here in CT between hairdressers and barbers since the
requirements are vastly different even though much of what they do is the
same.

I know a lady that was a hairdresser in MA and had her own shop for 10+
years. Very successful. She moved to Florida and had to pass their test.
She failed twice.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:49:52 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> wrote:

>
>"brooklyn1" > wrote
>
>>
>> Seems each state has different requirements. CA appears to be more
>> stringent than others, they don't even recognize reciprocity. Seems
>> very political to me to make becoming a hair dresser so costly.
>>
>> I know that in NY one can enrol in a cosmotology school but many of
>> the larger salons are licenced to train, and they will aid in
>> obtaining ones license.
>
>There was a battle here in CT between hairdressers and barbers since the
>requirements are vastly different even though much of what they do is the
>same.
>
>I know a lady that was a hairdresser in MA and had her own shop for 10+
>years. Very successful. She moved to Florida and had to pass their test.
>She failed twice.

In NY a barber/tonsorial license is much more difficult to obtain, and
no way is a hairdresser a barber. Barbers are permitted to use a
straight razor. Barbers are permitted to shave. Barbers are also
permitted to perform many of the services of a dermatologist; remove
ingrown hair, lance boils, etc. Not too long ago barbers were
permiited to extract teeth/bullets, and stitch up wounds. In
comparison a hairdresser is little more than a glorified shampooist...
without their electric clippers they couldn't give a haircut. The
average dog groomer is more skilled than the typical hairdresser.

On 8/20/2010 8:04 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2010-08-21, Ema > wrote:
>
>> It is just like landscape design or hairstyling.......
> On what planet can you get a hairstyling license without schooling?
>
> nb

Having a license means you learned the bones and muscles in the head, it
does not mean you are a good hair stylist. You have to be an artist to
be good, this is something books can not teach you.

Becca

On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:

> Having a license means you learned the bones and muscles in the head, it
> does not mean you are a good hair stylist. You have to be an artist to
> be good, this is something books can not teach you.

Yeah.... a regular Renoir.

http://www.ibeatyou.com/competition/...idiculous-hair

nb

On 8/21/2010 9:03 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2010-08-21, Ema > wrote:
>
>> Having a license means you learned the bones and muscles in the head, it
>> does not mean you are a good hair stylist. You have to be an artist to
>> be good, this is something books can not teach you.
> Yeah.... a regular Renoir.
>
> http://www.ibeatyou.com/competition/...idiculous-hair
>
> nb

Hah, and to think I was just looking for a new hairstyle. ;-)

Becca

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:03:30 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2010-08-21, Ema Nymton > wrote:
>
>> Having a license means you learned the bones and muscles in the head, it
>> does not mean you are a good hair stylist. You have to be an artist to
>> be good, this is something books can not teach you.
>
> Yeah.... a regular Renoir.
>
> http://www.ibeatyou.com/competition/...idiculous-hair
>
> nb

too funny.

your pal,
blake