Peter Lucas wrote:
> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
> right?????????
>
> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>
> At this election you face a serious choice.
>
> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
> carefully.
>
> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
> protect our natural environment.
>
> VOTE GREENS!
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
> X/No/Achieve; yes
>
> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
> http://greens.org.au
> www.qld.greens.org.au
> www.greenpeace.org.au

The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
wrote:

>Peter Lucas wrote:
>> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
>> right?????????
>>
>> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
>> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
>> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>>
>> At this election you face a serious choice.
>>
>> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
>> carefully.
>>
>> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
>> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
>> protect our natural environment.
>>
>> VOTE GREENS!
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
>> Brisbane
>> Australia
>> X/No/Achieve; yes
>>
>> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
>> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
>> http://greens.org.au
>> www.qld.greens.org.au
>> www.greenpeace.org.au
>
>The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.

Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.

They seem to think bush fires are un natural but hwta they fail to
understand is nature often causes bush fires by itself with lightning
strikes. Next they'll be against lightning which creates ozone.

Lol.

On 21/08/2010 10:33 AM, globular wrote:
> Peter Lucas wrote:
>> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
>> right?????????
>>
>> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
>> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
>> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>>
>> At this election you face a serious choice.
>>
>> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
>> carefully.
>>
>> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
>> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
>> protect our natural environment.
>>
>> VOTE GREENS!
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas
>> Brisbane
>> Australia
>> X/No/Achieve; yes
>>
>> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
>> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
>> http://greens.org.au
>> www.qld.greens.org.au
>> www.greenpeace.org.au
>
> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.

Burning off doesn't protect against bush fires. It may protect against
the severity of bushfires. Some bush fires are just going to happen
regardless. Plenty of homes on cleared land with no trees for hundreds
of metres were destroyed during the Feb 09 bushfires in East Kilmore.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

Nev.. wrote:
> On 21/08/2010 10:33 AM, globular wrote:
>> Peter Lucas wrote:
>>> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
>>> right?????????
>>>
>>> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
>>> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
>>> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>>>
>>> At this election you face a serious choice.
>>>
>>> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
>>> carefully.
>>>
>>> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
>>> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
>>> protect our natural environment.
>>>
>>> VOTE GREENS!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Lucas
>>> Brisbane
>>> Australia
>>> X/No/Achieve; yes
>>>
>>> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
>>> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
>>> http://greens.org.au
>>> www.qld.greens.org.au
>>> www.greenpeace.org.au
>>
>> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>
> Burning off doesn't protect against bush fires. It may protect against
> the severity of bushfires. Some bush fires are just going to happen
> regardless. Plenty of homes on cleared land with no trees for hundreds
> of metres were destroyed during the Feb 09 bushfires in East Kilmore.
>
> Nev..
> '08 DL1000K8

It shouldn't be opposed anyway, trees near roads and homes are hazards.

Eddy wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
> wrote:
>
>> Peter Lucas wrote:
>>> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
>>> right?????????
>>>
>>> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
>>> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
>>> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>>>
>>> At this election you face a serious choice.
>>>
>>> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
>>> carefully.
>>>
>>> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
>>> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
>>> protect our natural environment.
>>>
>>> VOTE GREENS!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Lucas
>>> Brisbane
>>> Australia
>>> X/No/Achieve; yes
>>>
>>> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
>>> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
>>> http://greens.org.au
>>> www.qld.greens.org.au
>>> www.greenpeace.org.au
>> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>
> Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
> doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.
>
> They seem to think bush fires are un natural but hwta they fail to
> understand is nature often causes bush fires by itself with lightning
> strikes. Next they'll be against lightning which creates ozone.
>
> Lol.
>
The Greens are about the values of the inner city, and some of the
smoking habits. People seem to forget that we are only in a small
position of the geographical country.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:26:36 +1000, Eddy > wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
> wrote:
>
>> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>
> Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
> doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.
>

Nope.

http://greens.org.au/policies/enviro...tal-principles

29. develop and adequately fund fuel reduction burning strategies based on the latest research on scientific fire ecology, fire behavior information and indigenous fire management practices, in consultation with experts, custodians and land managers
30. increase funding for bushfire research to include the effective use of fire, strategies for controlling arsonists, and best environmental and fire risk minimization in building practices.

--
Lee

On Aug 23, 2:10*pm, Lee >
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:26:36 +1000, Eddy > wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
> > wrote:
>
> >> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they..
>
> > Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
> > doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.
>
> Nope.

Er, YEP. They are solely responsible for the 200 or more deaths in
Victoria last year.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:39:34 +1000, Coach > wrote:

> On Aug 23, 2:10 pm, Lee >
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:26:36 +1000, Eddy > wrote:
>> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>>
>> > Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
>> > doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Er, YEP. They are solely responsible for the 200 or more deaths in
> Victoria last year.
>

hmm.
I'd have thought the

record temperatures, high wind, drought, building codes, stay-or-go policy,
lack of updates from the fire service, slow response, lightning strikes/arson
etc etc would carry *at least* some responsibility for the deaths...

but hey, that's your belief...

--
Lee

On Aug 23, 3:06*pm, Lee >
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:39:34 +1000, Coach > wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2:10 pm, Lee >
> > wrote:
> >> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:26:36 +1000, Eddy > wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>
> >> > Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
> >> > doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.
>
> >> Nope.
>
> > Er, YEP. *They are solely responsible for the 200 or more deaths in
> > Victoria last year.
>
> hmm.
> I'd have thought the
>
> record temperatures, high wind, drought, building codes, stay-or-go policy,
> lack of updates from the fire service, slow response, lightning strikes/arson
> etc etc would carry *at least* some responsibility for the deaths...
>
> but hey, that's your belief...

Of course ALL the things above contributed to the fires. But the
reality is that if the Greens didn't block the back burning, none of
these other issues you raised above would have been sufficient to
cause 200 or more unnecessary deaths.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:13:56 +1000, Coach > wrote:

> On Aug 23, 3:06 pm, Lee >
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:39:34 +1000, Coach > wrote:
>> > On Aug 23, 2:10 pm, Lee >
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:26:36 +1000, Eddy > wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:33:34 +1000, globular >
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>>
>> >> > Yes they do and when a fire comes along it burns half the state which
>> >> > doe sfar more damage than any burning off does.
>>
>> >> Nope.
>>
>> > Er, YEP. They are solely responsible for the 200 or more deaths in
>> > Victoria last year.
>>
>> hmm.
>> I'd have thought the
>>
>> record temperatures, high wind, drought, building codes, stay-or-go policy,
>> lack of updates from the fire service, slow response, lightning strikes/arson
>> etc etc would carry *at least* some responsibility for the deaths...
>>
>> but hey, that's your belief...
>
> Of course ALL the things above contributed to the fires. But the
> reality is that if the Greens didn't block the back burning, none of
> these other issues you raised above would have been sufficient to
> cause 200 or more unnecessary deaths.
>
did they actually block it?
got a cite?

and of course the building codes, stay-or-go policy and timely info would
each even on their own have saved at least some of those lives.

--
Lee

On 23/08/2010 11:13 AM, globular wrote:
> Nev.. wrote:
>> On 21/08/2010 10:33 AM, globular wrote:
>>> Peter Lucas wrote:
>>>> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
>>>> right?????????
>>>>
>>>> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
>>>> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
>>>> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>>>>
>>>> At this election you face a serious choice.
>>>>
>>>> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
>>>> carefully.
>>>>
>>>> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
>>>> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
>>>> protect our natural environment.
>>>>
>>>> VOTE GREENS!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter Lucas
>>>> Brisbane
>>>> Australia
>>>> X/No/Achieve; yes
>>>>
>>>> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
>>>> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
>>>> http://greens.org.au
>>>> www.qld.greens.org.au
>>>> www.greenpeace.org.au
>>>
>>> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>>
>> Burning off doesn't protect against bush fires. It may protect against
>> the severity of bushfires. Some bush fires are just going to happen
>> regardless. Plenty of homes on cleared land with no trees for hundreds
>> of metres were destroyed during the Feb 09 bushfires in East Kilmore.
>>
>> Nev..
>
> It shouldn't be opposed anyway, trees near roads and homes are hazards.

Plenty of homes with few or no trees for dozens or hundreds of metres
around were lost in the Feb 09 fires. There are plenty of other hazards
around. In perspective, one catastrophic fire in Victoria each 25 years
cost fewer than 200 lives per occurance. During the same 25 years
50,000 Victorians have died from cancer, close to 10,000 from suicide,
7,500 in road accidents... etc etc Protecting people from fires is
given far more emphasis than is probably warranted.

Nev..

On 8/22/2010 9:13 PM, globular wrote:
> Nev.. wrote:
>> On 21/08/2010 10:33 AM, globular wrote:
>>> Peter Lucas wrote:
>>>> You care about the environment, about climate change and our future
>>>> right?????????
>>>>
>>>> Well then take a few meesley frikken minutes out of your ''precious''
>>>> day to consider your preferences and which Government you would prefer
>>>> the Greens to work with in the next Parliament.
>>>>
>>>> At this election you face a serious choice.
>>>>
>>>> Your preferences count, and make sure you exercise your vote
>>>> carefully.
>>>>
>>>> A preference to Julia Gillard and Labor will ensure that you will get
>>>> a government that believes in action on climate and will act to
>>>> protect our natural environment.
>>>>
>>>> VOTE GREENS!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter Lucas
>>>> Brisbane
>>>> Australia
>>>> X/No/Achieve; yes
>>>>
>>>> Help reign in capitalism"s rampage; Vote http://greens.org.au
>>>> I support the Greens, and I hope you do too:
>>>> http://greens.org.au
>>>> www.qld.greens.org.au
>>>> www.greenpeace.org.au
>>>
>>> The Greens oppose burning off to protect against bush fires don't they.
>>
>> Burning off doesn't protect against bush fires. It may protect against
>> the severity of bushfires. Some bush fires are just going to happen
>> regardless. Plenty of homes on cleared land with no trees for hundreds
>> of metres were destroyed during the Feb 09 bushfires in East Kilmore.
>>
>> Nev..
>> '08 DL1000K8
>
> It shouldn't be opposed anyway, trees near roads and homes are hazards.

<sarcasm>Which is why the entire US East Coast burns to the ground every
year.</sarcasm>

Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:13:56 +1000, Coach > wrote:

>> Of course ALL the things above contributed to the fires. But the
>> reality is that if the Greens didn't block the back burning, none of
>> these other issues you raised above would have been sufficient to
>> cause 200 or more unnecessary deaths.
>>
> did they actually block it?
> got a cite?
>
4 days later; *sound of far off crickets chirping in the silence*


--
Elsie.