"Pinstripe Sniper" > ha scritto nel messaggio

>I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
>
> I figure this source - CDC, Center for Disease Control - should be low
> in pseudo-science. Evidently the ovaries of some hens got infected> and
> the cooties are passed >before the shell is formed.

They could vaccinate each new chick and wipe out samonella in eggs. They
don't in order to keep eggs cheap, but is this cheap? I wouldn't want to
pay that price.

"Pinstripe Sniper" writes:
>
>I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.

They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. Salmonella
occurs on the exterior of the egg shell. When egg shells are
cracked, even tiny microscopic cracks, salmonella can enter... can
also enter when eggs are not properly cleaned at the processing plant
and then broken for use. Be careful with how you handle eggs and the
chance of contracting salmonella is greatly reduced. Wash your hands
well before and after handling eggs. When cracking eggs do not touch
anything else and toss the shells directly into the trash or into a
container that will go directly into the trash, do not place broken
egg shells on counters or into the sink. To break eggs remove from
the carton and do not place them anywhere, do not let them leave your
hand while you do something else. Do NOT use those egg holders that
are in some fridges, or any other secondary container... do not handle
eggs until ready to use them. Toss empty egg cartons into the trash
immediately, do NOT reuse emptied egg cartons or use them for anything
else. Never separate whites from yolks with the egg shell. The
present salmonella outbreak is likely due to free range chickens, they
will carry a higher concentration of the organism, in conjunction with
inadequate egg shell cleaning at the processing plant. The processors
use a certain strength disinfectant but with free range eggs entering
the food chain they will need to signifantly increase the disinfectant
strength, perhaps not such a good thing. There is absolutely no
benefit to free range chicken other than in the bird brained
imaginations of the pinheads.

Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz trumpeted his ignorance:

>>I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
>
> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. Salmonella
> occurs on the exterior of the egg shell.

READ AND LEARN, YOU IGNORANT ****TARD!

"outbreaks of salmonellosis (an infection caused by Salmonella bacteria)
still happen because Salmonella also silently infects the ovaries of
healthy-looking hens, contaminating the eggs inside the chicken before the
shells are even formed, according to FSIS."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...agetinsideeggs

You should NOT give advice about food safety when you're so ignorant! The
only thing you're qualified to talk about is NAMBLA, so until someone
mentions NAMBLA, just keep your filthy hands off the ****ing keyboard,
because EVERY TIME you touch it, you make a ****ing fool of yourself.

Bob

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. Salmonella
> occurs on the exterior of the egg shell.

That's not true at all. The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
inside the egg.

-sw

On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>
> > That's not true at all.
>
> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>
> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
> > inside the egg.
>
> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>
> * *Janet

==
It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
==

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:18:30 +0100, Janet wrote:

> In article >, ost
> says...
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. Salmonella
>>> occurs on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>
>> That's not true at all.
>
> It can be.

No, it can't be. The claim was absolute - that salmonella only exists on
the outside of the egg.

It is *NOT* true. And there's no disputing it, plain and simple.

-sw

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>
>> > That's not true at all.
>>
>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>
>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>> > inside the egg.
>>
>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>
>> * *Janet
>
>==
>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.

This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken. Odds are after
all the investigations they'll find some farmers with genetically
damaged hens that produce eggs with thin porous shells, possibly...
there are dozens of possibilities, which is why after so many weeks
it's a still unsolved mystery. It's much too soon to pass judgement,
especially about something of which you know nothing.

Often food businesses of all sorts are fined because the the owners
refuse to schmear the corrupt inspectors... anywhere there are safety
inspectors there's payola.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
>>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>>
>>> > That's not true at all.
>>>
>>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>>
>>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>>> > inside the egg.
>>>
>>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>>
>>> * *Janet
>>
>>==
>>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>
> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.

That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
That is why they have plant numbers.

Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
They're only going to package them once.

-sw

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
>>>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>>>
>>>> > That's not true at all.
>>>>
>>>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>>>
>>>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>>>> > inside the egg.
>>>>
>>>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>>>
>>>> * *Janet
>>>
>>>==
>>>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>>>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>>>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>>>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>>>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>>
>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>
>That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
>unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
>That is why they have plant numbers.

So then who needs processingplants... egg farmers don't have nor can
they afford the high speed, highly technological equipment of a modern
processing plant.

>Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
>They're only going to package them once.

You're such a moroon... do you think all the stupidmarkets have a
chicken coop out back... of course not, eggs are TRUCKED to the retail
stores. When eggs are transported to the processing plants they are
not packed in those widdle dozen egg cartons, they're packed in gross
crates. Actually eggs travel very well, mother nature designed a very
strong package... the ovoid geometry of the bird egg is indeed the
strongest engineered marvel in all creation... it's the same
configuration for the path that all matter travels through space...
man cannot fabricate anything as perfect as the bird egg.

On Aug 22, 7:27*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
>
> >>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> >>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>
> >>> > That's not true at all.
>
> >>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
> >>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
> >>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>
> >>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
> >>> > inside the egg.
>
> >>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
> >>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
> >>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>
> >>> * *Janet
>
> >>==
> >>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
> >>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
> >>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
> >>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
> >>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>
> > This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
> > processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
> > the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
> > distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>
> That is not true at all. *Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
> unlike a chicken processor. *Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
> That is why they have plant numbers.
>
> Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
> They're only going to package them once.
>
> -sw

==
brooklyn1 should get an award for "creative" writing as he makes facts
up as he goes along.
==

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:50:02 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
>>>>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>>>>
>>>>> > That's not true at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>>>>> > inside the egg.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
>>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> * *Janet
>>>>
>>>>==
>>>>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>>>>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>>>>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>>>>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>>>>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>>>
>>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
>>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
>>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
>>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>>
>>That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
>>unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
>>That is why they have plant numbers.
>
> So then who needs processingplants... egg farmers don't have nor can
> they afford the high speed, highly technological equipment of a modern
> processing plant.

Small independent farmers don't. But all your grocery store eggs are
indeed processed in that way. All major egg producers for the retail trade
have the equipment to candle, grade, and package eggs.

>>Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
>>They're only going to package them once.
>
> You're such a moroon... do you think all the stupidmarkets have a
> chicken coop out back... of course not, eggs are TRUCKED to the retail
> stores. When eggs are transported to the processing plants they are
> not packed in those widdle dozen egg cartons,

Uh, yes they are, you knucklehead. Do you really think the grocery store
has all those manufacturers cartons and puts 12 eggs into each carton just
before shelving them?

You're making this way too easy. To make a fool of you, that is.

-sw

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
>>>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>>>
>>>> > That's not true at all.
>>>>
>>>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>>>
>>>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>>>> > inside the egg.
>>>>
>>>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>>>
>>>> * *Janet
>>>
>>>==
>>>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>>>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>>>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>>>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>>>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>>
>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>
>That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
>unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
>That is why they have plant numbers.
>
>Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
>They're only going to package them once.
>
From "Good Morning America" this morning:
"Giving a series of network interviews in the wake of the egg and
salmonella breakout, Hamburg said the FDA is taking the issue "very,
very seriously." At the same time, she said Congress should pass
pending legislation that would provide her agency with greater
enforcement power, including new authority over imported food."

Hmm do I see a "Department of Henhouse Security" in our future"?

--
Mr.E

On 8/23/2010 8:18 AM, lid wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 4:18 pm, > wrote:
>>>>> In >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. Salmonella
>>>>>>> occurs on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not true at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>>>>>> inside the egg.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but is
>>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>> It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>>>> business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>>>> product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>>>> publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>>>> will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>>>
>>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
>>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
>>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
>>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>>
>> That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
>> unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
>> That is why they have plant numbers.
>>
>> Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
>> They're only going to package them once.
>>
> From "Good Morning America" this morning:
> "Giving a series of network interviews in the wake of the egg and
> salmonella breakout, Hamburg said the FDA is taking the issue "very,
> very seriously." At the same time, she said Congress should pass
> pending legislation that would provide her agency with greater
> enforcement power, including new authority over imported food."
>
> Hmm do I see a "Department of Henhouse Security" in our future"?

Problems in Iowa as justification for "new authority over imported
food". Should be an open season on bureaucrats every few years.
>

On Aug 22, 10:46*am, brooklyn1 > wrote:
> "Pinstripe Sniper" writes:
>
> >I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
>
> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell. *When *egg shells are


You are so totally wrong, it's dangerous.

N.

>
> Often food businesses of all sorts are fined because the the owners
> refuse to schmear the corrupt inspectors... anywhere there are safety
> inspectors there's payola.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sheldon, these are factory farms. The chickens lay the eggs right
there and are processed right there. You don't know anything about
these particular farms.

N.

On Aug 23, 1:07*pm, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> On 8/23/2010 8:18 AM, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, >
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), >
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 4:18 pm, > *wrote:
> >>>>> In >,
> >>>>> says...
>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> >>>>>>> occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>
> >>>>>> That's not true at all.
>
> >>>>> * *It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
> >>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
> >>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>
> >>>>>> The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
> >>>>>> inside the egg.
>
> >>>>> * *Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
> >>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
> >>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>
> >>>>> * * Janet
>
> >>>> ==
> >>>> It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
> >>>> business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
> >>>> product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
> >>>> publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
> >>>> will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>
> >>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
> >>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
> >>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
> >>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>
> >> That is not true at all. *Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
> >> unlike a chicken processor. *Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
> >> That is why they have plant numbers.
>
> >> Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
> >> They're only going to package them once.
>
> > *From "Good Morning America" this morning:
> > "Giving a series of network interviews in the wake of the egg and
> > salmonella breakout, Hamburg said the FDA is taking the issue "very,
> > very seriously." At the same time, she said Congress should pass
> > pending legislation that would provide her agency with greater
> > enforcement power, including new authority over imported food."
>
> > Hmm do I see a "Department of Henhouse Security" in our future"?
>
> Problems in Iowa as justification for "new authority over imported
> food". *Should be an open season on bureaucrats every few years.
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Many large processing facilities of many types of food products have
many problems. Remember e-coli spinach?

N.

On Aug 22, 12:09*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz trumpeted his ignorance:
>
> >>I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
>
> > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>
> READ AND LEARN, YOU IGNORANT ****TARD!
>

Hey! Don't disrupt perfection. I have observed that brooklyn is always
wrong and have set my post calibration accordingly. If people start
correcting him, and it sticks, I won't know what to do.

On Aug 22, 6:27*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
>
> >>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> >>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>
> >>> > That's not true at all.
>
> >>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
> >>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
> >>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>
> >>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
> >>> > inside the egg.
>
> >>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
> >>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
> >>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>
> >>> * *Janet
>
> >>==
> >>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
> >>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
> >>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
> >>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
> >>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>
> > This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
> > processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
> > the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
> > distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>
> That is not true at all. *Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
> unlike a chicken processor. *Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
> That is why they have plant numbers.

Plant numbers are not a good indication of where the eggs came from. I
googled the plant number of the dozen I have from Trader Joe's, and
got a hit from Wright County Egg: Apparently "Sun Valley" of
California imports Wright County medium eggs by the five dozen.

On Aug 23, 11:07*am, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> On 8/23/2010 8:18 AM, wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, >
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), >
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Aug 22, 4:18 pm, > *wrote:
> >>>>> In >,
> >>>>> says...
>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> >>>>>>> occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
>
> >>>>>> That's not true at all.
>
> >>>>> * *It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
> >>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
> >>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>
> >>>>>> The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
> >>>>>> inside the egg.
>
> >>>>> * *Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
> >>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
> >>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>
> >>>>> * * Janet
>
> >>>> ==
> >>>> It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
> >>>> business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
> >>>> product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
> >>>> publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
> >>>> will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>
> >>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
> >>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
> >>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
> >>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>
> >> That is not true at all. *Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
> >> unlike a chicken processor. *Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
> >> That is why they have plant numbers.
>
> >> Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
> >> They're only going to package them once.
>
> > *From "Good Morning America" this morning:
> > "Giving a series of network interviews in the wake of the egg and
> > salmonella breakout, Hamburg said the FDA is taking the issue "very,
> > very seriously." At the same time, she said Congress should pass
> > pending legislation that would provide her agency with greater
> > enforcement power, including new authority over imported food."
>
> > Hmm do I see a "Department of Henhouse Security" in our future"?
>
> Problems in Iowa as justification for "new authority over imported
> food". *Should be an open season on bureaucrats every few years.

Probably still thinking about poisoned food the Chinese have been
shipping to our country.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:07:29 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> wrote:

> Problems in Iowa as justification for "new authority over imported
> food". Should be an open season on bureaucrats every few years.

I don't know about bureaucrats, but I do know we have a history of
treating our food animals badly and we don't have enough inspectors
anywhere in the food industry.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Aug 23, 12:43*pm, Nancy2 > wrote:

>
> Many large processing facilities of many types of food products have
> many problems. *Remember e-coli spinach?
>


Funnily enough, the source of the spinach E. coli was tracked to a
local grass-fed beef boutique operation, Paicines Ranch, adjacent to
the field leased by Mission Organics to grow spinach:

Story of source of E. coli

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17755937/

History of Paicines Ranch

www.paicinesranch.com/history.htm

Paicines Ranch on localharvest.org

http://www.localharvest.org/paicines-ranch-M8959

In article
>,
Nancy2 > wrote:


> Many large processing facilities of many types of food products have
> many problems. Remember e-coli spinach?

I remember that as being a field contamination issue. That strain of E
coli grows in cow intestines without causing much of a problem to the
cow. It's only when it gets into humans that it's a problem. There
were cows close to the spinach field, and their feces were washed into
the irrigation pond for the spinach.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Giusi wrote:
>
> "Pinstripe Sniper" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> >I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
> >
> > I figure this source - CDC, Center for Disease Control - should be low
> > in pseudo-science. Evidently the ovaries of some hens got infected> and
> > the cooties are passed >before the shell is formed.
>
> They could vaccinate each new chick and wipe out samonella in eggs. They
> don't in order to keep eggs cheap, but is this cheap? I wouldn't want to
> pay that price.

That's what's done in the UK; it may be compulsory by now. The eggs are
marked has having come from vaccinated chickens. It doesn't add much per
egg, AFAIK.

I grew up on a farm in Nebraska. We sold eggs and milk and the chickens
too. I know the inspector would come around a couple of times a year, write
something on a piece of paper and leave. There were only a handful of
inspectors for the the whole state of Nebraska and there was no way they
could keep a real good accounting of the facilities. I know one chicken
farm where only 1 in several hundred chickens was checked and the whole
bunch passed. They really need more inspectors. I know our animals were
not mistreated. They all were named. LOL Some were pets.

> I don't know about bureaucrats, but I do know we have a history of
> treating our food animals badly and we don't have enough inspectors
> anywhere in the food industry.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:56:29 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:

> Plant numbers are not a good indication of where the eggs came from. I
> googled the plant number of the dozen I have from Trader Joe's, and
> got a hit from Wright County Egg: Apparently "Sun Valley" of
> California imports Wright County medium eggs by the five dozen.

I don't see why that's weird. Welcome to Your Egg.

-sw

In article >,
lid wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Aug 22, 4:18*pm, Janet > wrote:
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> >>>> > > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.
> >>>>
> >>>> > That's not true at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> * It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
> >>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
> >>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
> >>>>
> >>>> > The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
> >>>> > inside the egg.
> >>>>
> >>>> * Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but *is
> >>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
> >>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
> >>>>
> >>>> * *Janet
> >>>
> >>>==
> >>>It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
> >>>business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
> >>>product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
> >>>publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
> >>>will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
> >>
> >> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
> >> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
> >> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
> >> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
> >
> >That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
> >unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
> >That is why they have plant numbers.
> >
> >Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
> >They're only going to package them once.
> >
> From "Good Morning America" this morning:
> "Giving a series of network interviews in the wake of the egg and
> salmonella breakout, Hamburg said the FDA is taking the issue "very,
> very seriously." At the same time, she said Congress should pass
> pending legislation that would provide her agency with greater
> enforcement power, including new authority over imported food."
>
> Hmm do I see a "Department of Henhouse Security" in our future"?

If they do as competent a job as the TSA, we're all dead!

Isaac

On Aug 23, 11:20*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:56:29 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > Plant numbers are not a good indication of where the eggs came from. I
> > googled the plant number of the dozen I have from Trader Joe's, and
> > got a hit from Wright County Egg: Apparently "Sun Valley" of
> > California imports Wright County medium eggs by the five dozen.
>
> I don't see why that's weird. *Welcome to Your Egg.
>

If plant codes were an indication of where the eggs came from, the
plant code on the packages would have pointed to Wright County.

The typical fat dumb happy consumer would think, looking up the plant
code, "Well, I eat only California eggs -- that recall of Iowa eggs
can't affect me."

Don't tell me you killfiled him. That's like eliminating Dwight Schrute from The Office, or Colonel Flag from MASH. He makes a fine jester. The fact he is so unintentionally humorous makes him all the more humorous. Andy Griffith don't swing without Barney Fife, baby.

Allow Pussy to keep on keepin' on like he knows what he's talking about and you'll be treated to these periodic "Fifedoms." Precious stuff, really. I think my favorite one was the hot Chinese mustard one. His advice to me about mushrooms was hilarious, but many wouldn't get the joke.

I buy my eggs from a kid I teach. I don't know if they have more or less salmonella than storebought. They are brown eggs (from RI Reds) and I like the taste a bit better than the white ones in the store.

He got me some goose eggs a while back, and every month or so I'll get four. Goose eggs have a more smooth, custardy yolk. Highly recommended.

Chicken, duck or goose, if you cook the eggs well, this shouldn't be an issue. Homemade mayo might press the subject, though. I can't ever remember being afflicted, nor can I name one case of anyone around here getting sick from raw milk or eggs. I'll bet 75% of the kids I teach have had nothing but bulk tank milk since childhood and those are the kids who don't get sick.

Our country is a bit paranoid, IMO.

On Aug 23, 4:45*pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> On Aug 23, 12:43*pm, Nancy2 > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Many large processing facilities of many types of food products have
> > many problems. *Remember e-coli spinach?
>


My point was about recalls in the food production world; it had
nothing to do with the source of the problem mandating recalls.

N.

Arri London wrote:
>
> Giusi wrote:
>> "Pinstripe Sniper" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>>> I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
>>>
>>> I figure this source - CDC, Center for Disease Control - should be low
>>> in pseudo-science. Evidently the ovaries of some hens got infected> and
>>> the cooties are passed >before the shell is formed.
>> They could vaccinate each new chick and wipe out samonella in eggs. They
>> don't in order to keep eggs cheap, but is this cheap? I wouldn't want to
>> pay that price.
>
> That's what's done in the UK; it may be compulsory by now. The eggs are
> marked has having come from vaccinated chickens. It doesn't add much per
> egg, AFAIK.

Someone just posted elsewhere that Eggland's Best Free Range eggs
come from hens that have been vaccinate against salmonella three
times. I'll try to keep that in mind when I need to use raw egg.

--
Jean B.

On Aug 24, 6:30*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> On Aug 23, 4:45*pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>
> > On Aug 23, 12:43*pm, Nancy2 > wrote:
>
> > > Many large processing facilities of many types of food products have
> > > many problems. *Remember e-coli spinach?
>
> My point was about recalls in the food production world; it had
> nothing to do with the source of the problem mandating recalls.
>

And you bring this up, why?

You asked the world of Usenet if they remembered "e-coli spinach." I
did.

On Aug 24, 6:03*am, Gorio > wrote:
> spamtrap1888;1521828 Wrote:
>
> > On Aug 22, 12:09*pm, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:-
> > Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz trumpeted his ignorance:
> > --
> > I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.--
> > -
> > They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. *Salmonella
> > occurs *on the exterior of the egg shell.-
>
> > READ AND LEARN, YOU IGNORANT ****TARD!
> > -
>
> > Hey! Don't disrupt perfection. I have observed that brooklyn is always
> > wrong and have set my post calibration accordingly. If people start
> > correcting him, and it sticks, I won't know what to do.
>
> Don't tell me you killfiled him. That's like eliminating Dwight Schrute
> from The Office, or Colonel Flag from MASH. He makes a fine jester. The
> fact he is so unintentionally humorous makes him all the more humorous.
> Andy Griffith don't swing without Barney Fife, baby.
>

No, never.

After experimenting with electricity in my youth I ended up with a
compass that reliably pointed South. Provided one realized this, it
was as good a compass as any other.

>
> > My point was about recalls in the food production world; it had
> > nothing to do with the source of the problem mandating recalls.
>
> And you bring this up, why?
>
> You asked the world of Usenet if they remembered "e-coli spinach." I
> did.

Well, I reminded people that it didn't matter why the recall happened,
just that it did; a couple responders seemed to think I was nailing
spinach fields without taking into account manure leaks from nearby
cattle lots, or the like. Why are you asking? Maybe you should have
read the whole thread.

N.

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > Giusi wrote:
> >> "Pinstripe Sniper" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >>
> >>> I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
> >>>
> >>> I figure this source - CDC, Center for Disease Control - should be low
> >>> in pseudo-science. Evidently the ovaries of some hens got infected> and
> >>> the cooties are passed >before the shell is formed.
> >> They could vaccinate each new chick and wipe out samonella in eggs. They
> >> don't in order to keep eggs cheap, but is this cheap? I wouldn't want to
> >> pay that price.
> >
> > That's what's done in the UK; it may be compulsory by now. The eggs are
> > marked has having come from vaccinated chickens. It doesn't add much per
> > egg, AFAIK.
>
> Someone just posted elsewhere that Eggland's Best Free Range eggs
> come from hens that have been vaccinate against salmonella three
> times. I'll try to keep that in mind when I need to use raw egg.
>

TY, didn't know that. They are sold around here, I think.

The average supermarket eggs we get locally really aren't fresh. The
whites are already runny and the yolk (not yoke) is flattened relative
to a fresh egg. Fortunately the tainted eggs were never distributed
here.

Pinstripe Sniper wrote:
>
> "Jean B." > wrote:
> >Someone just posted elsewhere that Eggland's Best Free Range eggs
> >come from hens that have been vaccinate against salmonella three
> >times. I'll try to keep that in mind when I need to use raw egg.
>
> I'd be curious to see how tough it is to catch the chickens for the
> 2nd and 3rd vaccinations. (I am assuming needles are involved vs just
> a feed additive.)
>
> PsS


It's done when they are chicks. Needs to be done before they are exposed
to others.

On Aug 24, 11:22*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> > > My point was about recalls in the food production world; it had
> > > nothing to do with the source of the problem mandating recalls.
>
> > And you bring this up, why?
>
> > You asked the world of Usenet if they remembered "e-coli spinach." I
> > did.
>
> Well, I reminded people that it didn't matter why the recall happened,
> just that it did; a couple responders seemed to think I was nailing
> spinach fields without taking into account manure leaks from nearby
> cattle lots, or the like. *Why are you asking? *Maybe you should have
> read the whole thread.
>

Maybe my killfile works too well -- this thread seemed to focus on
pointing out borrklyn's limited understanding of how salmonella may be
transmitted. Are you perhaps thinking of another thread on the egg
recall?

As a connoisseur of irony, I was struck by how a harmonic convergence
of praiseworthy food trends: locavorism, grass-finished beef, (in-the-
process-of-becoming-certified) organic produce, fresh vegetables eaten
raw, etc. led to a large number of people being poisoned by their
food.

The cause outside this trend: Once the E. coli got into our fresh food
supply, it was broad cast over a large area by a high volume packing
shed.

On 8/23/2010 3:43 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> On Aug 23, 1:07 pm, "J. > wrote:
>> On 8/23/2010 8:18 AM, wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:27:48 -0500, >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:32 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT), >
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 4:18 pm, > wrote:
>>>>>>> In >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:46 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> They don't get inside until the egg shell is cracked. Salmonella
>>>>>>>>> occurs on the exterior of the egg shell.
>>
>>>>>>>> That's not true at all.
>>
>>>>>>> It can be.Sheldon is describing the more usual route by which
>>>>>>> salmonella can infect eggs. Salmonella is very common in the gut of
>>>>>>> birds; and eggs and faeces leave by the same hole.
>>
>>>>>>>> The salmonella comes from the hen's ovaries an is
>>>>>>>> inside the egg.
>>
>>>>>>> Ovarian infection is the suggestion in the current outbreak; but is
>>>>>>> still under investigation. According to reports, the common source of
>>>>>>> the infection breached many many hygeine regulations.
>>
>>>>>>> Janet
>>
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>> It would serve the idiotic supplier right if he ruined his own
>>>>>> business by cutting corners and putting out potentially dangerous
>>>>>> product. From all reports he has not learned from past fines and
>>>>>> publicity. Maybe this time he will get the message that the public
>>>>>> will not put up with his stupidity and greed.
>>
>>>>> This outbreak in all probability has nothing to do with the
>>>>> processor... eggs arrive from hundreds of chicken farmers and
>>>>> the processor only cleans, candles, grades, sizes, packages, and
>>>>> distributes... the egg processor never sees a chicken.
>>
>>>> That is not true at all. Each plant lays, grades, and packages the eggs
>>>> unlike a chicken processor. Egg farms are much bigger than growers.
>>>> That is why they have plant numbers.
>>
>>>> Eggs don't travel well just thrown into a box and shipped to a processor.
>>>> They're only going to package them once.
>>
>>> From "Good Morning America" this morning:
>>> "Giving a series of network interviews in the wake of the egg and
>>> salmonella breakout, Hamburg said the FDA is taking the issue "very,
>>> very seriously." At the same time, she said Congress should pass
>>> pending legislation that would provide her agency with greater
>>> enforcement power, including new authority over imported food."
>>
>>> Hmm do I see a "Department of Henhouse Security" in our future"?
>>
>> Problems in Iowa as justification for "new authority over imported
>> food". Should be an open season on bureaucrats every few years.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Many large processing facilities of many types of food products have
> many problems. Remember e-coli spinach?

If it wasn't imported then it's not justification for "new authority
over imported food". The point is that the bureaucrats are using a
problem to justify being granted an unrelated power. And in the guise
of Doing Something, the Congress seems to go along with such power-grabs.

On 8/24/2010 12:46 AM, Karen Lewis wrote:
> I grew up on a farm in Nebraska. We sold eggs and milk and the chickens
> too. I know the inspector would come around a couple of times a year,
> write something on a piece of paper and leave. There were only a handful
> of inspectors for the the whole state of Nebraska and there was no way
> they could keep a real good accounting of the facilities. I know one
> chicken farm where only 1 in several hundred chickens was checked and
> the whole bunch passed. They really need more inspectors. I know our
> animals were not mistreated. They all were named. LOL Some were pets.

Is there an "inspection" procedure that will tell if a chicken is
infected with Salmonella Enteritidis other than cracking and analyzing
the contents of a large number of its eggs? You can't tell by looking
at them and every egg an infected hen lays is not contaminated.

>> I don't know about bureaucrats, but I do know we have a history of
>> treating our food animals badly and we don't have enough inspectors
>> anywhere in the food industry.
>
>

Arri London wrote:
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> Arri London wrote:
>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>> "Pinstripe Sniper" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>
>>>>> I must confess I was intrigued how the cooties got inside some eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I figure this source - CDC, Center for Disease Control - should be low
>>>>> in pseudo-science. Evidently the ovaries of some hens got infected> and
>>>>> the cooties are passed >before the shell is formed.
>>>> They could vaccinate each new chick and wipe out samonella in eggs. They
>>>> don't in order to keep eggs cheap, but is this cheap? I wouldn't want to
>>>> pay that price.
>>> That's what's done in the UK; it may be compulsory by now. The eggs are
>>> marked has having come from vaccinated chickens. It doesn't add much per
>>> egg, AFAIK.
>> Someone just posted elsewhere that Eggland's Best Free Range eggs
>> come from hens that have been vaccinate against salmonella three
>> times. I'll try to keep that in mind when I need to use raw egg.
>>
>
> TY, didn't know that. They are sold around here, I think.
>
> The average supermarket eggs we get locally really aren't fresh. The
> whites are already runny and the yolk (not yoke) is flattened relative
> to a fresh egg. Fortunately the tainted eggs were never distributed
> here.

I can get eggs from chicken farms--one with free-running hens.
BUT, as we see, that may not suffice.

--
Jean B.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> You have a shitty grocery source. The eggs I get from HEB are so fresh,
> the whites are fairly solid and the eggs still have a chalaza.
> Chalaza dissolve as the egg ages.

chalaza?
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