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Not the babe. The drink.
On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol Creme Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato sherry. What say the rfc brethren? nb |
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![]() "notbob" > wrote in message ... > Not the babe. The drink. > > On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry > instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously > used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol > Creme > Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but > not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. > > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume > "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato > sherry. What say the rfc brethren? > > nb My standard sipping sherry is Bristol Crème, which I really like a whole lot. There is also a Bristol Milk, which is of course lighter and cheaper. Also, in my penny-pinching days I found Wisdom & Warter an acceptable sip. Felice |
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On 2010-10-13, Felice > wrote:
> My standard sipping sherry is Bristol Crème..... I knew I shoulda bought the HBC. OTOH, if I did, probably not have anything to use for cooking. ![]() nb |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:01:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> Not the babe. The drink. > > On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry > instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously > used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol Creme > Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but > not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. Don't use cream sherry thinking it will replace dry sherry and I've never considered sherry a decent substitute for rice wine. It has it's own flavor, which is different from rice wine. > > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume > "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato > sherry. What say the rfc brethren? > I say Dry Sack and Harvey's are good for sipping. You can spend more after you develop your sherry buds. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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On 2010-10-13, sf > wrote:
> Don't use cream sherry thinking it will replace dry sherry and I've > never considered sherry a decent substitute for rice wine. It has > it's own flavor, which is different from rice wine. They are very similar, which is why thousands of websites will recommmed using sherry as a sub. I've had very good shaoxing wine and compared it with sherry. Almost indistinguishable. Unfortunately, most shaoxing wine sold in most Asian mkts is crap, as is most anything costing only $1.97 qt! > I say Dry Sack and Harvey's are good for sipping. You can spend more > after you develop your sherry buds. I've always been a dry Vermouth fan. I'm sipping pale dry sherry, now. Not bad, but not great. nb |
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![]() "notbob" > wrote in message ... > Not the babe. The drink. > > On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry > instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously > used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol > Creme > Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but > not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. > > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume > "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato > sherry. What say the rfc brethren? I had some friends back in the 80's who drank Harvey's Bristol Cream which I believe is a sherry. I could be wrong. Never was much of a drinker. I didn't like the stuff. I remember many old black and white movies where they drank sherry. The people in t he movies were not necessarily British but they had those very affected or is it effected accents and pronounced it like sheddy. I think perhaps it was just a more common drink in the old days than it is now. Perhaps because we just have so much more available to us. |
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"notbob" > wrote in message
... > Not the babe. The drink. > > On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry > instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously > used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol > Creme > Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but > not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. > > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume > "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato > sherry. What say the rfc brethren? > > nb Depends on when you plan to drink the sherry. Before durring (not) after a meal. The dryer types befoe dinner the sweeter after dinner. See below. Dimitri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherry Fino ('fine' in Spanish) is the driest and palest of the traditional varieties of sherry. The wine is aged in barrels under a cap of flor yeast to prevent contact with the air. Manzanilla is an especially light variety of fino Sherry made around the port of Sanlúcar de Barrameda. Manzanilla Pasada is a Manzanilla that has undergone extended ageing or has been partially oxidised, giving a richer, nuttier flavour. Amontillado is a variety of Sherry that is first aged under flor but which is then exposed to oxygen, producing a sherry that is darker than a fino but lighter than an oloroso. Naturally dry, they are sometimes sold lightly sweetened. Oloroso ('scented' in Spanish) is a variety of Sherry aged oxidatively for a longer time than a fino or amontillado, producing a darker and richer wine. With alcohol levels between 18-20%, olorosos are the most alcoholic sherries in the bottle.[10] Again naturally dry, they are often also sold in sweetened versions. Palo Cortado is a variety of Sherry that is initially aged like an amontillado, typically for three or four years, but which subsequently develops a character closer to an oloroso. This either happens by accident when the flor dies, or commonly the flor is killed by fortification or filtration. Sweet Sherries (Jerez Dulce in Spanish) are made either by fermenting dried Pedro Ximénez or Moscatel grapes, which produces an intensely sweet dark brown or black wine, or by blending sweeter wines or grape must with a drier variety. Cream Sherry is a common type of sweet sherry made by blending different wines. |
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notbob wrote:
> Not the babe. The drink. > > On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry > instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously > used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol Creme > Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but > not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. > > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume > "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato > sherry. What say the rfc brethren? > > nb > There are two basic "flavors" of sherry, dry and sweet or cream. Most recipes calling for "sherry" mean the dry kind unless it's a dessert. In Spain, where it is produced, dry sherry is used as an aperitif while sweet/cream sherry is used as a dessert or after dinner wine. There are five or six various types based on sweetness, blend, and color. It would not surprise me if British distributors cornered the market centuries ago to control the distribution of limited production as they did with another wine drunk in Europe but not much in the US, Madeira, from the Portuguese island of the same name. It, too, ranges from very dry to very sweet in about 4 or 5 stages. (I recall Bual, Malvasia, and Sercial. I'm sure there are more.) gloria p |
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On 10/13/2010 11:01, notbob wrote:
> Not the babe. The drink. > > On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry > instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously > used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol Creme > Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but > not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. Really? I've not had a rice wine that was as sweet and sherry-ish as Harvey's Bristol Creme is. Truth is that while I really like cream sherry when I was younger, I can't abide it now and go for the drier ones. > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume > "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato > sherry. What say the rfc brethren? I love sherry but it is definitely an acquired taste and something that wine snobs tend to pretend not to like. BTW, sherry is a fortified wine and not a reinforced one ![]() Amontillado is very good. It's a good sherry, a good Poe story and a good Monty Python skit--very adaptable stuff. |
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notbob wrote:
> > My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those > Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would > you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry > being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You > never read about it in American literature. I figure it's like tea and coffee. Brits have tea; Yanks have coffee. It's a tradition that started around the time of the Revolution and never got around to changing. Since most sherry distributors at that time were Brits it would have lost popularity then. And yet port was popular after the Revolution and eventually dropped off to a small market presence. > Anyway, my question, and > the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I remember liking any of them that I tried but getting bored with them quickly. That's my standard reaction to all types of wine so it just tells me that my tastes treat sherry as being closer to wine than brandy. If there's a wine tasting bar anywhere near you that's the place to try them. Or buy a different brand each time your cooking sherry runs out and make notes about their sipping qualities. |
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On 2010-10-14, Pennyaline > wrote:
> wine snobs tend to pretend not to like. BTW, sherry is a fortified wine > and not a reinforced one ![]() Yeah, that's what I meant. Like other fortifited wines such as port, maderia, muscatel, etc. I recall all these cuz I grew up in Modesto CA, home of Gallo winery. In the 50s, it was not uncommon to come across an empty case of Gallo port or muscatel, no doubt filched from Gallo warehouses by employees out on a cheap weekend bender in some peach or walnut orchard. All this was really nasty stuff, but the kind of cheap wines that put Gallo on the map and was the fave of skid row denizens, everywhere. Now that I'm older and can buy the real deal, never was partial to most fortified wines, exept M&R dry vermouth or a good aged port. nb |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:30:23 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> All this was really nasty stuff, but the > kind of cheap wines that put Gallo on the map and was the fave of skid > row denizens, everywhere. > > Name names! Skid row denizens here preferred Ripple or Thunderbird. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:07:59 GMT, notbob wrote:
> On 2010-10-13, sf > wrote: > >> Don't use cream sherry thinking it will replace dry sherry and I've >> never considered sherry a decent substitute for rice wine. It has >> it's own flavor, which is different from rice wine. > > They are very similar, which is why thousands of websites will > recommmed using sherry as a sub. I've had very good shaoxing wine and > compared it with sherry. Almost indistinguishable. Unfortunately, > most shaoxing wine sold in most Asian mkts is crap, as is most > anything costing only $1.97 qt! i've been thinking about that lately. i used to use the driest sherry i could find (and not the cheapest, something in the middle) to use in chinese food, and i did manage to find some non-salted shaoxing wine a couple of times, but all i can find now is the cheap, cheap salted kind. i can adjust for the salt, but i wonder if the taste is truly better? i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know you would have to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots of people willing to do so? your pal, blake |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:14:30 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message > ... >> Not the babe. The drink. >> >> On my recent trip to the big city, I bought some pale dry sherry >> instead of Chinese rice wine, a commom substitute. I've previously >> used Dry Sack with good results. The store only had Harvey's Bristol >> Creme >> Sherry(?), but I bought a cheaper brand. It tastes like a decent, but >> not great, Chinese rice wine, but that's another thread. >> >> My concern, now, is about sherry, the drink. Seems like in all those >> Brit dramas, movies, books, etc, everyone is drinking Sherry. "Would >> you like a glass of Sherry, my dear?" Fine. I get the gist, sherry >> being a reinforced wine and all that, but why only the Limeys? You >> never read about it in American literature. Anyway, my question, and >> the point of this post, is, what's a good sipping sherry. I assume >> "sipping", cuz I've never heard of a sherry depth charge or a tomato >> sherry. What say the rfc brethren? > > I had some friends back in the 80's who drank Harvey's Bristol Cream which I > believe is a sherry. I could be wrong. Never was much of a drinker. I > didn't like the stuff. > > I remember many old black and white movies where they drank sherry. The > people in t he movies were not necessarily British but they had those very > affected or is it effected accents and pronounced it like sheddy. > > I think perhaps it was just a more common drink in the old days than it is > now. Perhaps because we just have so much more available to us. it could be more that people today are more willing to be seen having a by-god belt rather than 'well, maybe just a touch of sherry.' your pal, blake |
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On 2010-10-14, sf > wrote:
> Name names! Skid row denizens here preferred Ripple or Thunderbird. That was the big bottles. The empty cases of port and muscatel we stumbled across as kids were always pint bottles. They were only about $.50 retail, back then. I remember being handed a bottle of Thunderbird that was being passed around by the brothers, when I was in the service. They'd put an envelope of grape cool-aid in it, as if T-bird wasn't nasty enough by itself! <shudder> ![]() nb |
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On 14/10/2010 3:33 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
>> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know you would have >> to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots of people willing to do so? > > I looked it up last time this subject of salted cooking wine came up in > the group. The claim was that salt is a preservative. > Look around some more. I believe that it was also to make it unpalatable to alcoholics. |
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blake wrote on Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:05:23 -0400:
>> On 2010-10-13, sf > wrote: >> >>> Don't use cream sherry thinking it will replace dry sherry >>> and I've never considered sherry a decent substitute for >>> rice wine. It has it's own flavor, which is different from >>> rice wine. >> >> They are very similar, which is why thousands of websites >> will recommmed using sherry as a sub. I've had very good >> shaoxing wine and compared it with sherry. Almost >> indistinguishable. Unfortunately, most shaoxing wine sold in >> most Asian mkts is crap, as is most anything costing only >> $1.97 qt! > i've been thinking about that lately. i used to use the > driest sherry i could find (and not the cheapest, something in > the middle) to use in chinese food, and i did manage to find > some non-salted shaoxing wine a couple of times, but all i can > find now is the cheap, cheap salted kind. i can adjust for > the salt, but i wonder if the taste is truly better? > i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know > you would have to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots > of people willing to do so? Except for desserts, tho' I think I know quite a bit about drinking wine, sherry for cooking is pretty well served by the cheapest New York or California "Cocktail" Sherry, IMO of course. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Dave Smith > wrote: > On 14/10/2010 3:33 PM, Dan Abel wrote: > > >> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know you would have > >> to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots of people willing to do so? > > > > I looked it up last time this subject of salted cooking wine came up in > > the group. The claim was that salt is a preservative. > > > > Look around some more. I believe that it was also to make it unpalatable > to alcoholics. Do you have any suggestions where we should look? I've heard the same stories that you have, but when I did a Google, they were strangely absent, and the only story left was that the salt was a preservative. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2010 3:33 PM, Dan Abel wrote: > >>> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know you >>> would have >>> to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots of people willing to >>> do so? >> >> I looked it up last time this subject of salted cooking wine came up in >> the group. The claim was that salt is a preservative. >> > > Look around some more. I believe that it was also to make it unpalatable > to alcoholics. And to make it legal to sell when the vendor does not have a license to sell alcohol. Unlike California, many states do not allow the sale of alcohol in grocery stores or pharmacies. gloria p |
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On 14/10/2010 6:02 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In . com>, > Dave > wrote: > >> On 14/10/2010 3:33 PM, Dan Abel wrote: >> >>>> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know you would have >>>> to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots of people willing to do so? >>> >>> I looked it up last time this subject of salted cooking wine came up in >>> the group. The claim was that salt is a preservative. >>> >> >> Look around some more. I believe that it was also to make it unpalatable >> to alcoholics. > > Do you have any suggestions where we should look? I've heard the same > stories that you have, but when I did a Google, they were strangely > absent, and the only story left was that the salt was a preservative. > I am assuming that you had looked at the group archives. I recall that someone said that cooking sherry is salted so that it is unpalatable to those who want to drink it for a buzz and can thereby avoid the sin taxes. I never followed up on that at the time, but checking it out now I see that most sites say that it inhibits the micro organisms that turn it into vinegar. |
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gloria.p wrote on Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:06:48 -0600:
> Dave Smith wrote: >> On 14/10/2010 3:33 PM, Dan Abel wrote: >> >>>> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i >>>> know you would have to pay an additional tax, but aren't >>>> there lots of people willing to do so? >>> >>> I looked it up last time this subject of salted cooking wine >>> came up in the group. The claim was that salt is a >>> preservative. >>> >> Look around some more. I believe that it was also to make it >> unpalatable to alcoholics. > And to make it legal to sell when the vendor does not have a > license to sell alcohol. Unlike California, many states do > not allow the sale of alcohol in grocery stores or pharmacies. I've seen "cooking wine" on sale in grocery supermarkets here since a license to sell wine is hard to get (or maybe, expensive). Actually, the State liquor store is just around the corner from the Giant and Safeway groceries -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On 2010-10-14, Dan Abel > wrote:
> absent, and the only story left was that the salt was a preservative. Total nonsense. Fortified wines do not need a preservative, the boosted alcohol content being more than sufficient. nb |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:19:08 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2010 3:33 PM, Dan Abel wrote: > >>> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know you would have >>> to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots of people willing to do so? >> >> I looked it up last time this subject of salted cooking wine came up in >> the group. The claim was that salt is a preservative. >> > > Look around some more. I believe that it was also to make it unpalatable > to alcoholics. the dope i heard was that the added salt made it unfit as a beverage, so no excise tax on the alcohol. same as the 'cooking wine' at your supermarket. but possibly more importantly, you need no kind of liquor license in order to sell it. your pal, blake |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:42:25 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
> blake wrote on Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:05:23 -0400: > >>> On 2010-10-13, sf > wrote: >>> >>>> Don't use cream sherry thinking it will replace dry sherry >>>> and I've never considered sherry a decent substitute for >>>> rice wine. It has it's own flavor, which is different from >>>> rice wine. >>> >>> They are very similar, which is why thousands of websites >>> will recommmed using sherry as a sub. I've had very good >>> shaoxing wine and compared it with sherry. Almost >>> indistinguishable. Unfortunately, most shaoxing wine sold in >>> most Asian mkts is crap, as is most anything costing only >>> $1.97 qt! > >> i've been thinking about that lately. i used to use the >> driest sherry i could find (and not the cheapest, something in >> the middle) to use in chinese food, and i did manage to find >> some non-salted shaoxing wine a couple of times, but all i can >> find now is the cheap, cheap salted kind. i can adjust for >> the salt, but i wonder if the taste is truly better? > >> i also wonder why it's so hard to find the unsalted. i know >> you would have to pay an additional tax, but aren't there lots >> of people willing to do so? > > Except for desserts, tho' I think I know quite a bit about drinking > wine, sherry for cooking is pretty well served by the cheapest New York > or California "Cocktail" Sherry, IMO of course. i used imported stuff for a while, and then i think went to taylor. your pal, blake |
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![]() notbob wrote: > > On 2010-10-16, Arri London > wrote: > > > Try a cheap bottle and then try an expensive bottle. > > I got the cheap. Will hafta wait for the expensive. ![]() > > nb I used to have nice friends who would provide the expensive ![]() |
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![]() > wrote in message ... Hopefully not cooking Sherry! |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote: > > wrote in message > ... > > Hopefully not cooking Sherry! you'd have trouble finding it |
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On Thu, 29 May 2014 11:31:02 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote: >In article >, > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> > wrote in message >> ... >> >> Hopefully not cooking Sherry! > >you'd have trouble finding it The least of her problems. It'd be the wrong brand (yuck), and Julie would be allergic to sherry - and never did like sherry anyway - but would have bought it because it was the only one available in the entire city. Or something like that. |
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