San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
food is still being served as usual.

Becca

Ema Nymton wrote:
>
>San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
>Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
>food is still being served as usual.

Frisco would do better to ban freaks.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:14:30 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> Ema Nymton > wrote:
>
> > San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
> > Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
> > food is still being served as usual.
> >
> > Becca
>
>
> It will probably affect advertisers who want to include movie promotional
> products.
>
> They'll probably get around it with a "toys sold separately" disclaimer.
>
I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
just the toy, no food purchase is required.


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:55:39 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
> Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
> food is still being served as usual.
>
Our board of Stoops doesn't have anything better to do - like filling
pot holes and keeping the streets clean.


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:31:44 -0700, sf > wrote:

>I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
>just the toy, no food purchase is required.

WHO is driving these fat kids to the restaurant?......better
yet....who is in control? The most underused word in a fat kids
vocabulary....NO.

....and I meant that in the nicest way...bless your chubby little
heart.

Brooklyn1 wrote on Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:22:15 -0400:

> Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away
>> toys in Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a
>> difference, because the food is still being served as usual.

>Frisco would do better to ban freaks.

"Frisco" is a very old fashioned (died 50 odd years ago) name to give
the city.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:55:39 -0500, Ema Nymton wrote:

> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
> Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
> food is still being served as usual.


They're following in Santa Clara's footsteps. They did the same
thing a year ago.

This is the kind of thing the government does NOT have to control.
And if I was a resident of either of those counties I would be
inciting a riot, or much worse. The toys don't even cause cancer.
Why not ban French fries instead?

A bunch of weak, gullible sheep are just rolling over by not
contesting this.


-sw

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:22:15 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>>San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
>>Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
>>food is still being served as usual.
>
> Frisco would do better to ban freaks.

no chance of them letting you in, then.

blake

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:49:08 -0400, Mr. Bill > wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:31:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
> >just the toy, no food purchase is required.
>
> WHO is driving these fat kids to the restaurant?......better
> yet....who is in control? The most underused word in a fat kids
> vocabulary....NO.
>
> ...and I meant that in the nicest way...bless your chubby little
> heart.
>

Ban fast food altogether if you're going to police what people eat.
In fact, ban children. Then the board members will be even happier.


--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:18:50 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Brooklyn1 wrote on Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:22:15 -0400:
>
> > Ema Nymton wrote:
> >>
> >> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away
> >> toys in Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a
> >> difference, because the food is still being served as usual.
>
> >Frisco would do better to ban freaks.
>
> "Frisco" is a very old fashioned (died 50 odd years ago) name to give
> the city.

You know it, I know it, only the dinosaurs don't know it.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:18:50 -0400, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Brooklyn1 wrote on Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:22:15 -0400:
>
>> Ema Nymton wrote:
>>>
>>> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away
>>> toys in Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a
>>> difference, because the food is still being served as usual.
>
>>Frisco would do better to ban freaks.
>
>"Frisco" is a very old fashioned (died 50 odd years ago) name to give
>the city.

Frisco is short for "San Fran".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frisco

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:24:00 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:22:15 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Ema Nymton wrote:
>>>
>>>San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
>>>Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
>>>food is still being served as usual.
>>
>> Frisco would do better to ban freaks.
>
>no chance of them letting you in, then.

Says the "Legless Mick"... circus midway sideshow freak
extrordinaire... it slithers, it crawls, it creeps, it drools... see
the Legless Mick, only a dime, one thin dime, a tenth of a dollar...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in Happy
> Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the food is
> still being served as usual.

I doubt if it will make a difference. We don't eat much fast food but when
Angela was little, we did buy the toys. Most places would just sell you the
toy for a dollar or two. The Burger King here where we tried to just buy
the toy said they could not do that and we would have to get the meal.
Perhaps if we spoke to a manager we would have been told otherwise, but I
didn't go in to get the toy. My dad did. He got a diet drink, threw out
the meal and gave the toy to my daughter.

Thankfully she is old enough now that she doesn't want such toys.

So what I am saying is for us, while the appeal *was* the toys, it in no way
shape or form led us to eating that crappy food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:14:30 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Ema Nymton > wrote:
>>
>> > San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
>> > Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because
>> > the
>> > food is still being served as usual.
>> >
>> > Becca
>>
>>
>> It will probably affect advertisers who want to include movie promotional
>> products.
>>
>> They'll probably get around it with a "toys sold separately" disclaimer.
>>
> I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
> just the toy, no food purchase is required.

Yep.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:49:08 -0400, Mr. Bill > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:31:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
>> >just the toy, no food purchase is required.
>>
>> WHO is driving these fat kids to the restaurant?......better
>> yet....who is in control? The most underused word in a fat kids
>> vocabulary....NO.
>>
>> ...and I meant that in the nicest way...bless your chubby little
>> heart.
>>
>
> Ban fast food altogether if you're going to police what people eat.
> In fact, ban children. Then the board members will be even happier.

We used to have a restaurant here called Rax. I believe they were a chain
and they might still be in some areas. Their premise was that the food,
while being fast was healthy. Now IMO this was debatable. They did have a
huge salad bar and I always had that. I never tried their sandwiches. I
never was much of a sandwich person.

I think I ate in there twice. They closed due to lack of business.

Not far from there was a place called Macheesemo Mouse. It was purportedly
healthy fast Mexican food. Again, debatable. I never ate in there as I
found the food to be expensive and if I remember correctly had what I
consider weird stuff like soy cheese and tofu in it. They did have a very
cute sign with a mouse on it. But a mouse? Not what I want to look at
while I am eating. They didn't make it either.

We do have Taco Time. They are still in business. They do sell some fried
stuff but have plenty of healthy options. We do eat there, but not often.

Ema Nymton wrote:
> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in
> Happy Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the
> food is still being served as usual.
>
> Becca


It will make a difference to those kids who whine for
fast food just to get the toy. They may be much less eager
to plead for those burgers if no toy is involved, which was
the intent of the law.

gloria p

"Mr. Bill" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:31:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
>>just the toy, no food purchase is required.
>
> WHO is driving these fat kids to the restaurant?......better
> yet....who is in control? The most underused word in a fat kids
> vocabulary....NO.
>
> ...and I meant that in the nicest way...bless your chubby little
> heart.
>
>
Careful, Bill! You're going to be accused of being a "fatophobe". I was
accused of that back around 2000 when I complained about people at work
purposefully gaining weight so they could qualify for gastric bypass surgery
at a whopping $33,000. And one guy disregarded the post-op instructions for
a liquid only then soft food diet and downed several cheeseburgers and a
pizza the week he was released from the hospital. I'm not a fatophobe. I'm
against people who abused the system.

ou are what you eat. I try to eat healthy and at least when cooking at home
I know what goes into what I eat. Fast food isn't included in my diet. I'm
not saying I've never eaten fast food, of course I have. Just not recently
or regularly. Folks at work wondered why their paychecks were so slim.
They were spending half of it on lunch every week, bringing in a McD's bag.

Lose the toys? How about they close the playgrounds at McD's and BK's?
Kids probably wouldn't want to go there if there were no toys and no
playground facilities. Let the parents take their kids to the park to run
around instead. With homemade sandwiches.

Jill

"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
> Ema Nymton wrote:
>> San Francisco banned fast food restaurants from giving away toys in Happy
>> Meals, BK Kids Meal, etc. Will this make a difference, because the food
>> is still being served as usual.
>>
>> Becca
>
>
> It will make a difference to those kids who whine for
> fast food just to get the toy. They may be much less eager
> to plead for those burgers if no toy is involved, which was
> the intent of the law.

I was born in 1959. There were no kid's meals or toys at fast food places
when I was a kid. I don't recall ever clamoring for fast food. There were
no chicken nuggets in those days. I wouldn't eat burgers or hot dogs. I
wouldn't eat most French fries. I did however like the McDonald's fries and
I do remember asking for those. We did not get them often. Mainly when we
were out somewhere and there were no other food options around. We each had
some kind of sandwich and we split an order of fries, which in those days
came in only one size.

What we did have though? D's drive in! There were two of them. A larger
one in downtown Edmonds that had seats so you could eat in if you wanted to.
And a smaller one in Lynnwood that was strictly takeout.

They had all sorts of fast food and that was the appeal for our family.
Each of us could get what we wanted. I always got the burrito. It was
huge! Loaded with meat and beans and all sorts of vegetables and cheese.
It was topped with more vegetables, chili and more cheese.

Alas, D's is now gone.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:31:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>I think they already do that. I've heard that you can go in and buy
>>>just the toy, no food purchase is required.
>>
>> WHO is driving these fat kids to the restaurant?......better
>> yet....who is in control? The most underused word in a fat kids
>> vocabulary....NO.
>>
>> ...and I meant that in the nicest way...bless your chubby little
>> heart.
>>
>>
> Careful, Bill! You're going to be accused of being a "fatophobe". I was
> accused of that back around 2000 when I complained about people at work
> purposefully gaining weight so they could qualify for gastric bypass
> surgery at a whopping $33,000. And one guy disregarded the post-op
> instructions for a liquid only then soft food diet and downed several
> cheeseburgers and a pizza the week he was released from the hospital. I'm
> not a fatophobe. I'm against people who abused the system.
>
> ou are what you eat. I try to eat healthy and at least when cooking at
> home I know what goes into what I eat. Fast food isn't included in my
> diet. I'm not saying I've never eaten fast food, of course I have. Just
> not recently or regularly. Folks at work wondered why their paychecks
> were so slim. They were spending half of it on lunch every week, bringing
> in a McD's bag.
>
> Lose the toys? How about they close the playgrounds at McD's and BK's?
> Kids probably wouldn't want to go there if there were no toys and no
> playground facilities. Let the parents take their kids to the park to run
> around instead. With homemade sandwiches.

I do not think fast food in and of itself is a bad thing. Yes, some fast
food places do not offer any healthy options at all. McDonalds and Burger
King do offer raw apples in various forms. And Wendy's has mandarin
oranges. They also have side salads. Perhaps not organic fare,. but they
are options. Perhaps not a meal either, but at least they are enough to
tide you over until you can get to some real food.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:17:09 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> The S.F. Board of Supervisors has a severely myopic view of reality.
>
> They get to craft such a law AND THEN vote to enact it with an 8-3 vote?
>
> Abuse of power! Power they shouldn't be entitled to! EVER!!!

Not only that, but they keep getting re-elected, so somebody likes
them. That's district elections for ya.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:35:13 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> S.F., I'm embarrassed for your Board of Supervisors.

If their constituents didn't approve, they wouldn't get away with that
cr*p.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> I do not think fast food in and of itself is a bad thing. Yes, some
>> fast food places do not offer any healthy options at all. McDonalds
>> and Burger King do offer raw apples in various forms. And Wendy's has
>> mandarin oranges. They also have side salads. Perhaps not organic
>> fare,. but they are options. Perhaps not a meal either, but at least
>> they are enough to tide you over until you can get to some real food.
>
>
> Julie,
>
> The applesauce offering is never advertised on TV, so the two sausage
> egg biscuits for $3 becomes "real" food to the mindless fast food
> public.

That could be. I only ever had breakfast at McDonald's once. I can't
remember where we were. We were making a cross country move and had
overslept. There was a McDonald's next door to our motel. Yes, motel. We
were out in the boonies somewhere. I remember getting some bacon. Just
bacon.

No matter where I dine, I tend not to order things off the menu as is. I
merely look at the menu to see what they offer and then I piece a meal
together from that.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:01:14 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> How about they close the playgrounds at McD's and BK's?
>Kids probably wouldn't want to go there if there were no toys and no
>playground facilities.

Those playplaces are a blessing on long road trips with my boys. They
can get some wiggles out while my husband and I finish a bite to eat
or a cup of coffee in piece. I remember rest stops with playgrounds
from my childhood, but I don't see that option on the road anymore.

We love Chick-Fil-A playplaces on rainy days. Chick-Fil-A prizes
aren't bad. Recently, the "If You Give A Moose A Muffin" series of
books were featured.

My boys are more interested in the playplaces than the toys. They
always want to know how long they can play, not what toy did they get.
I wonder if all prizes are banned, or toys only. Do crayons,
books,etc. count as toys under this law?

Tara

"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:01:14 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>> How about they close the playgrounds at McD's and BK's?
>>Kids probably wouldn't want to go there if there were no toys and no
>>playground facilities.
>
> Those playplaces are a blessing on long road trips with my boys. They
> can get some wiggles out while my husband and I finish a bite to eat
> or a cup of coffee in piece. I remember rest stops with playgrounds
> from my childhood, but I don't see that option on the road anymore.
>
> We love Chick-Fil-A playplaces on rainy days. Chick-Fil-A prizes
> aren't bad. Recently, the "If You Give A Moose A Muffin" series of
> books were featured.
>
> My boys are more interested in the playplaces than the toys. They
> always want to know how long they can play, not what toy did they get.
> I wonder if all prizes are banned, or toys only. Do crayons,
> books,etc. count as toys under this law?

I used to HATE the play places. The kids will go in there and then won't
come out. They'll always stay up there in some tube where you can't get to
them unless you physically go up there and drag them back out. Not that I
have a lot of experience with kids. Just my nieces and nephews, my daughter
and her friends.

The other thing is that they are unsanitary. I can't tell you how many
times my daughter or my husband reported that some kid threw up or peed in
the tubes. I also know of a girl who used to go to my daughter's dance
studio who got an infected toe from a play place. She was barefoot which
was probably a bad idea to begin with. Banged her toe on some part of the
play area. It bled a little and they thought nothing of it. But then it
got badly infected. So badly infected that she couldn't get her tap shoe on
for weeks!

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not think fast food in and of itself is a bad thing. Yes, some
>>>> fast food places do not offer any healthy options at all. McDonalds
>>>> and Burger King do offer raw apples in various forms. And Wendy's
>>>> has mandarin oranges. They also have side salads. Perhaps not
>>>> organic fare,. but they are options. Perhaps not a meal either, but
>>>> at least they are enough to tide you over until you can get to some
>>>> real food.
>>>
>>>
>>> Julie,
>>>
>>> The applesauce offering is never advertised on TV, so the two sausage
>>> egg biscuits for $3 becomes "real" food to the mindless fast food
>>> public.
>>
>> That could be. I only ever had breakfast at McDonald's once. I can't
>> remember where we were. We were making a cross country move and had
>> overslept. There was a McDonald's next door to our motel. Yes,
>> motel. We were out in the boonies somewhere. I remember getting some
>> bacon. Just bacon.
>>
>> No matter where I dine, I tend not to order things off the menu as is.
>> I merely look at the menu to see what they offer and then I piece a
>> meal together from that.
>
>
> Julie,
>
> I wasn't finding fault with you whatsoever. Just the day in/day out
> parents without a fast food care in the world for them and their
> children.

I didn't think that you were. Angela was not allowed any fast food for the
first few years of her life. She also didn't know what the ice cream truck
was. She just thought it was a truck that played music.

Then her dad had his appendix out when she was not quite three. Would you
believe the Alameda (CA) hospital didn't have a cafeteria? Yep! They did
have a room with some machines in it and we did buy a yucky sandwich out of
it once. But they never refilled it.

Since we were at the hospital pretty much all day for several days while he
recuperated, we needed to find food. I did bring food with us for lunch.
But bringing food for dinner as well was pushing it. The closest food place
was McDonalds. So I did take her there once or twice. She didn't seem too
thrilled with the food.

Then when we moved to NY, she started taking dance classes at noon on
Saturdays. She was always starving when we got out of there. She
discovered that the other girls went to McDonalds afterwards. So she begged
to go there. I then realized that I couldn't keep it from her forever, but
I could teach her to eat responsibly.

We usually got the food at the drive through. We each got kid's meals, one
with apples and one with fries. We shared the apples and fries. Always a
plain small burger. To these I added lettuce, tomato and onion that I had
at home. And we either split a salad or we had other raw veggies from home.
In those days the salads were served in tall cups with a rounded lid. Those
salads also contained baby Swiss Chard. I don't think they do any more.
The baby Swiss Chard was her favorite. She would grab my salad, pick out
all of her favorite bits and put them in the lid. That would be her
portion.

Sometimes in the winter we would eat there and she would go to the play
area. She was not allowed to play until she had eaten her salad. I taught
her to eat it with no dressing. Just lemon, if it was available.

Now that she is 12, she has learned to like some dressings. This is
something I could never do. I love crunchy raw vegetables, but I can't
stand dressing on them.

Anyway... People used to laugh at us because there was a kid eating salad.
They acted like it was something strange. I was brought up eating salad.
We had it at every meal and even at restaurants, my parents ordered us
salads. They usually didn't come with the kid's meals, if there were kid's
meals. Not all restaurants have kid's meals.

Of course now that she is 12, I have more trouble getting her to eat
vegetables. My parents never had that problem with me. I always liked
them. My brother was the problem child there. And now as an adult he still
hates vegetables.

Angela loves salad bars though. She will eat the things that she serves
herself. And she loves a salad that she got at Costco as a sample. It is
just bagged salad with canned chicken on top and some sesame dressing. She
adds black olives to hers though.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:59:29 -0600, gloria.p wrote:

> It will make a difference to those kids who whine for
> fast food just to get the toy. They may be much less eager
> to plead for those burgers if no toy is involved, which was
> the intent of the law.

There is nothing wrong with a 2.5/oz burger and two slices of
bread. They are both daily requirements according to the USDA
pyramid. And cheese, too. Get the carrot or apple option instead
of fries. It's up to the parents how they feed their kids.

But the insurance and drug companies like it when you live longer.
They're obnoxiously rich industries and have powerful lobbyists.

-sw

On Nov 4, 6:55*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> No matter where I dine, I tend not to order things off the menu as is. *I
> merely look at the menu to see what they offer and then I piece a meal
> together from that.

You've probably ate a lot of adulterated food over the years.....

"Ranee at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Tara > wrote:
>
>> Those playplaces are a blessing on long road trips with my boys. They
>> can get some wiggles out while my husband and I finish a bite to eat
>> or a cup of coffee in piece. I remember rest stops with playgrounds
>> from my childhood, but I don't see that option on the road anymore.
>
> In our area at least, the rest areas have large spaces of lawn and
> trees where children can run around, picnic tables and places where you
> can lay a blanket out to watch the children. They often have free
> coffee and cookies during the day, too.

I've seen plenty of rest stops with play areas. But plenty without them
too.

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> Anyway... People used to laugh at us because there was a kid eating
>> salad.
>> They acted like it was something strange. I was brought up eating salad.
>> We had it at every meal and even at restaurants, my parents ordered us
>> salads. They usually didn't come with the kid's meals, if there were
>> kid's
>> meals. Not all restaurants have kid's meals.
>
> How odd. Our children almost all love salads. The littlest ones
> have a harder time with them, but we usually give them a tiny bit to
> pick through and they do alright. I think it's more of that training
> children to eat children only food and defining that as junk.

When she was little I let her eat them with her hands. There was no
dressing so it wasn't messy.

"projectile vomit chick" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 4, 6:55 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> No matter where I dine, I tend not to order things off the menu as is. I
> merely look at the menu to see what they offer and then I piece a meal
> together from that.

You've probably ate a lot of adulterated food over the years.....

Maybe. Or maybe not.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:56:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I've seen plenty of rest stops with play areas. But plenty without them
>too.

Playgrounds in rest stops is a new concept to me. So is free food.
I've seen food for sale as a fund raiser, but not free.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Nov 4, 6:21*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:31:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >>>I think they already do that. *I've heard that you can go in and buy
> >>>just the toy, no food purchase is required.
>
> >> WHO is driving these fat kids to the restaurant?......better
> >> yet....who is in control? * *The most underused word in a fat kids
> >> vocabulary....NO.
>
> >> ...and I meant that in the nicest way...bless your chubby little
> >> heart.
>
> > Careful, Bill! *You're going to be accused of being a "fatophobe". *I was
> > accused of that back around 2000 when I complained about people at work
> > purposefully gaining weight so they could qualify for gastric bypass
> > surgery at a whopping $33,000. *And one guy disregarded the post-op
> > instructions for a liquid only then soft food diet and downed several
> > cheeseburgers and a pizza the week he was released from the hospital. *I'm
> > not a fatophobe. *I'm against people who abused the system.
>
> > ou are what you eat. *I try to eat healthy and at least when cooking at
> > home I know what goes into what I eat. *Fast food isn't included in my
> > diet. *I'm not saying I've never eaten fast food, of course I have. *Just
> > not recently or regularly. *Folks at work wondered why their paychecks
> > were so slim. They were spending half of it on lunch every week, bringing
> > in a McD's bag.
>
> > Lose the toys? *How about they close the playgrounds at McD's and BK's?
> > Kids probably wouldn't want to go there if there were no toys and no
> > playground facilities. *Let the parents take their kids to the park to run
> > around instead. *With homemade sandwiches.
>
> I do not think fast food in and of itself is a bad thing. *Yes, some fast
> food places do not offer any healthy options at all. *McDonalds and Burger
> King do offer raw apples in various forms. *And Wendy's has mandarin
> oranges. *They also have side salads. *Perhaps not organic fare,. but they
> are options. *Perhaps not a meal either, but at least they are enough to
> tide you over until you can get to some real food.

The bigger problem with the Happy Meal is that they bundle caloric
beverages (sugar sodas) into it. The rest is the stupidity of the
parents, many of whom reject fast food, but who still keep
hydrogenated fats in their pantries. My biggest problem with kids'
meal toys is crappy, Chinese made toys that just go straight to
landfills.

--Bryan

On Nov 4, 6:33*pm, Andy > wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > I do not think fast food in and of itself is a bad thing. *Yes, some
> > fast food places do not offer any healthy options at all. *McDonalds
> > and Burger King do offer raw apples in various forms. *And Wendy's has
> > mandarin oranges. *They also have side salads. *Perhaps not organic
> > fare,. but they are options. *Perhaps not a meal either, but at least
> > they are enough to tide you over until you can get to some real food.
>
> Julie,
>
> The applesauce offering is never advertised on TV, so the two sausage
> egg biscuits for $3 becomes *"real" food to the mindless fast food
> public.

And that's inferior to YOUR breakfasts? That's a laugh.
>
> Imho,
>
> Andy

--Bryan

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:54:30 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> How odd. Our children almost all love salads. The littlest ones
>have a harder time with them, but we usually give them a tiny bit to
>pick through and they do alright. I think it's more of that training
>children to eat children only food and defining that as junk.

I honestly can't say how kids operate. You're more experienced than
me by three.

Both of my kids needed to be told to try new things. I had the three
bite rule... they took three bites, not nibbles, and swallowed - then
they could quit eating if they still didn't like it. DD used to look
at anything new and tell me "Whatever that is, I don't like it". It
was very difficult to do the follow through with her. My son (the
oldest) was easier, not easy... easier. He told me after he was a
father himself that he hated it because after the third bite more
often than not *I* was right, but he pretended not to like it to save
face... which explained why he didn't protest the next time that item
was served.

His son, however, was influenced by someone who took every new food
item away as soon as he made a face. So, aversion to anything new was
reinforced. It was very hard to overcome and he's still learning to
give new foods a try before rejecting them. On the plus side... he's
also the kid who loved sushi before he was two. So there's always
hope.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:57:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>When she was little I let her eat them with her hands. There was no
>dressing so it wasn't messy.

Did "little" means less than 18-24 months? If it didn't... you needed
to specify.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:27:56 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
> wrote:

>On Nov 4, 6:55*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> No matter where I dine, I tend not to order things off the menu as is. *I
>> merely look at the menu to see what they offer and then I piece a meal
-->> together from that.
>
>You've probably ate a lot of adulterated food over the years.....

She figured it out long before she was diagnosed. Not that she says
"I was allergic to this" or that back when she was a kid, but she
posts her food preferences of "way back when" and they don't equate
with what a non-allergic person (or someone with textural aversions)
would say.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:57:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>When she was little I let her eat them with her hands. There was no
>>dressing so it wasn't messy.
>
> Did "little" means less than 18-24 months? If it didn't... you needed
> to specify.

Probably 3 and under. She was eating regular foods (with some exceptions)
prior to a year old. She had all of her teeth at a year. And she never
liked baby food.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:56:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I've seen plenty of rest stops with play areas. But plenty without them
>>too.
>
> Playgrounds in rest stops is a new concept to me. So is free food.
> I've seen food for sale as a fund raiser, but not free.

I don't think I've seen any free food but I have seen free coffee. We've
made several cross country moves so have seen plenty of rest stops. Some
states are better than others.

"Bryan" > wrote in message
...
The bigger problem with the Happy Meal is that they bundle caloric
beverages (sugar sodas) into it. The rest is the stupidity of the
parents, many of whom reject fast food, but who still keep
hydrogenated fats in their pantries. My biggest problem with kids'
meal toys is crappy, Chinese made toys that just go straight to
landfills.

---

You can always get a diet drink with a Happy Meal. You can also get milk or
juice but perhaps at some places you pay a slightly higher amount.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:54:30 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> > wrote:
>
>> How odd. Our children almost all love salads. The littlest ones
>>have a harder time with them, but we usually give them a tiny bit to
>>pick through and they do alright. I think it's more of that training
>>children to eat children only food and defining that as junk.
>
> I honestly can't say how kids operate. You're more experienced than
> me by three.
>
> Both of my kids needed to be told to try new things. I had the three
> bite rule... they took three bites, not nibbles, and swallowed - then
> they could quit eating if they still didn't like it. DD used to look
> at anything new and tell me "Whatever that is, I don't like it". It
> was very difficult to do the follow through with her. My son (the
> oldest) was easier, not easy... easier. He told me after he was a
> father himself that he hated it because after the third bite more
> often than not *I* was right, but he pretended not to like it to save
> face... which explained why he didn't protest the next time that item
> was served.
>
> His son, however, was influenced by someone who took every new food
> item away as soon as he made a face. So, aversion to anything new was
> reinforced. It was very hard to overcome and he's still learning to
> give new foods a try before rejecting them. On the plus side... he's
> also the kid who loved sushi before he was two. So there's always
> hope.

Angela is very good to try new foods and that's a good thing because her
food allergies limit what she can eat.

I do not have the three bite rule though. If she takes a bite and doesn't
like it, she never has to eat it again. She does however on her own ask to
try things later that she once didn't like. I don't think she will ever
like raw tomatoes.