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........ 09-11-2010 10:01 PM

Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel
 
Dear Everyone,
as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while
the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil
is causing wars, terror, oil spills and a lot of greenhouse gases.
By upgrading your car to flex fuel, you will continue to be able to
use oil. However you will also have the
opportunity to use E85, that means more freedom of choice. The
conversion cost is about 200-250 USD.
By choosing ethanol, you choose local fuel production, which means
labour for farmers, labour for enginneers
and workers in the ethanol plant, labour for transportation. Moreover
you also help for indirect labour. Since
the money stays in your country, this money will turn and produce
indirect labour. Since the farmer will gain
your additional fuel money, he will buy other things (labour is again
needed for their production), which in case
of oil the oil-Sheikhs or their people would do.
That ethanol production increases the food prices is also not totally
right, first there is a by-product called
"distillers dried grains with solubles", which is used as feed for
livestock, that is also nothing else than
food. Moreover, by using ethanol, you put pressure on oil prices,
which has also an important effect on food
prices. You also give your money for more research (again labour),
which will yield in higher efficiency of
production and alternative production methods like cellulosic ethanol,
which will change the whole equation.
Again in case of oil this money would be spent for oil rigs, oil-
infrastructure, but also for weapons to
defend the oil.
By using ethanol, you produce less CO2, since it is produced by corn,
which actually consumed the CO2 in the air
for its growing. The more people use ethanol, the higher the
efficiencies will come for production (similar to
solar cells). The prices will go further down, and much less CO2 will
be produced during production in the plant.
Do you know that the production efficiencies already improved 30% ?*
Another reason for using ethanol is that oil prices will come up
again, when the barrel price of 150 USD is back
you will be very happy to have your vehicle converted. The conversion
also increases the value of your vehicle.

Yours sincerely.


Sources:
*http://brownfieldagnews.com/2010/09/...on-efficiency-
improves/

Chemo the Clown 09-11-2010 10:12 PM

Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel
 
On Nov 9, 2:01*pm, "........" > wrote:
> Dear Everyone,
> as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while
> the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil
> is causing wars, terror, oil spills and a lot of greenhouse gases.
> By upgrading your car to flex fuel, you will continue to be able to
> use oil. However you will also have the
> opportunity to use E85, that means more freedom of choice. The
> conversion cost is about 200-250 USD.
> By choosing ethanol, you choose local fuel production, which means
> labour for farmers, labour for enginneers
> and workers in the ethanol plant, labour for transportation. Moreover
> you also help for indirect labour. Since
> the money stays in your country, this money will turn and produce
> indirect labour. Since the farmer will gain
> your additional fuel money, he will buy other things (labour is again
> needed for their production), which in case
> of oil the oil-Sheikhs or their people would do.
> That ethanol production increases the food prices is also not totally
> right, first there is a by-product called
> "distillers dried grains with solubles", which is used as feed for
> livestock, that is also nothing else than
> food. Moreover, by using ethanol, you put pressure on oil prices,
> which has also an important effect on food
> prices. You also give your money for more research (again labour),
> which will yield in higher efficiency of
> production and alternative production methods like cellulosic ethanol,
> which will change the whole equation.
> Again in case of oil this money would be spent for oil rigs, oil-
> infrastructure, but also for weapons to
> defend the oil.
> By using ethanol, you produce less CO2, since it is produced by corn,
> which actually consumed the CO2 in the air
> for its growing. The more people use ethanol, the higher the
> efficiencies will come for production (similar to
> solar cells). The prices will go further down, and much less CO2 will
> be produced during production in the plant.
> Do you know that the production efficiencies already improved 30% ?*
> Another reason for using ethanol is that oil prices will come up
> again, when the barrel price of 150 USD is back
> you will be very happy to have your vehicle converted. The conversion
> also increases the value of your vehicle.
>
> Yours sincerely.
>
> Sources:
> *http://brownfieldagnews.com/2010/09/...on-efficiency-
> improves/



Dan L 09-11-2010 10:57 PM

Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel
 
Chemo the Clown > wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2:01 pm, "........" > wrote:
>> Dear Everyone,
>> as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while
>> the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil
>> is causing wars, terror, oil spills and a lot of greenhouse gases.
>> By upgrading your car to flex fuel, you will continue to be able to
>> use oil. However you will also have the
>> opportunity to use E85, that means more freedom of choice. The
>> conversion cost is about 200-250 USD.
>> By choosing ethanol, you choose local fuel production, which means
>> labour for farmers, labour for enginneers
>> and workers in the ethanol plant, labour for transportation. Moreover
>> you also help for indirect labour. Since
>> the money stays in your country, this money will turn and produce
>> indirect labour. Since the farmer will gain
>> your additional fuel money, he will buy other things (labour is again
>> needed for their production), which in case
>> of oil the oil-Sheikhs or their people would do.
>> That ethanol production increases the food prices is also not totally
>> right, first there is a by-product called
>> "distillers dried grains with solubles", which is used as feed for
>> livestock, that is also nothing else than
>> food. Moreover, by using ethanol, you put pressure on oil prices,
>> which has also an important effect on food
>> prices. You also give your money for more research (again labour),
>> which will yield in higher efficiency of
>> production and alternative production methods like cellulosic
> > ethanol,
>> which will change the whole equation.
>> Again in case of oil this money would be spent for oil rigs, oil-
>> infrastructure, but also for weapons to
>> defend the oil.
>> By using ethanol, you produce less CO2, since it is produced by corn,
>> which actually consumed the CO2 in the air
>> for its growing. The more people use ethanol, the higher the
>> efficiencies will come for production (similar to
>> solar cells). The prices will go further down, and much less CO2 will
>> be produced during production in the plant.
>> Do you know that the production efficiencies already improved 30% ?*
>> Another reason for using ethanol is that oil prices will come up
>> again, when the barrel price of 150 USD is back
>> you will be very happy to have your vehicle converted. The conversion
>> also increases the value of your vehicle.
>>
>> Yours sincerely.
>>
>> Sources:
>> *http://brownfieldagnews.com/2010/09/...on-efficiency-
>> improves/


Hmmm... I do not think so.
Modern day fertilizers are made from OIL!
It takes more oil to produce one gallon of ethanol than to produce one
gallon of gasoline from corn seed to ethanol. The web article seems
concerned only with the energy conversion from corn to ethanol only. Tie
in the added cost of oil based fertilizers and the tax payer subsides of
corn production that helps the oil companies even more. The only reason
that E85 is cheaper at the pump is because of corn subsidies, remove the
subsidies and the real price of E85 will be a lot higher than regular
gasoline. I say drive less with greater fuel efficiency.

A good read: omnivores dilemma by Micheal Pollan
http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dile...9342592&sr=8-1

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

J. Clarke[_2_] 12-11-2010 11:19 AM

Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel
 
In article <635d7e61-1f6b-4703-9349-
>, says...
>
> On Nov 9, 2:01*pm, "........" > wrote:
> > Dear Everyone,

<garbage snipped>

Gee, thanks, Chemo, just what I always wanted, a repeat of a trolling
post.

I really wish that all of you ****ING IDIOTS who for some reason repost
other people's uninteresting and annoying posts without adding anything
of your own would go play in the minefield.



sf[_9_] 12-11-2010 04:44 PM

Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel
 
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:19:26 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> wrote:

> In article <635d7e61-1f6b-4703-9349-
> >, says...
> >
> > On Nov 9, 2:01*pm, "........" > wrote:
> > > Dear Everyone,

> <garbage snipped>
>
> Gee, thanks, Chemo, just what I always wanted, a repeat of a trolling
> post.
>
> I really wish that all of you ****ING IDIOTS who for some reason repost
> other people's uninteresting and annoying posts without adding anything
> of your own would go play in the minefield.
>

I thought the phrase was "go play with your trucks in the street". In
any case, my filters are set so I don't see that garbage until
somebody legitimate replies. I have no idea why I didn't see that one
initially because the subject didn't have any of the key words I
filter. It was probably stripped by the ISP.

I wonder if any news reader has the ability to create white lists?
I'm at the point where the crap a troll (that I have filtered) posts
is reposted by a seemingly legitimate poster - so I see it anyway.
There are a limited number of posters I want to read, so creating a
list of what I want to see instead of a list a mile long of what I
don't want to see might work better for me these days.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.


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