If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?

Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:24:43 -0000, john hamilton wrote:

> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

Pizza and beer.

If they can't have milk or formula, what are they supposed to do,
suddenly grow teeth so they can chew? Because you've eliminated
everything they could/should drink.

-sw

In article >,
"john hamilton" > wrote:

> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

Probably soy milk. But I'm only guessing. Is there a reason you've not
consulted with a pediatrician or a pediatric nurse?

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
New York trip posted 11-13-2010; http://web.me.com/barbschaller

"john hamilton" > wrote:
>
>If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
>milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
>Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
>what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

Should be obvious:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18313552

On Nov 22, 5:20*am, Melba's Jammin' >
wrote:
> In article >,
> *"john hamilton" > wrote:
>
> > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
> Probably soy milk. *But I'm only guessing. *Is there a reason you've not
> consulted with a pediatrician or a pediatric nurse?

Three possibilities occur to me:

1. OP kidnapped baby.
2. OP killed mother but spared her infant.
3. OP stole car; discovered infant in back seat.

I suggest dropping off the child at the nearest fire department.

john hamilton wrote:
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their
> mother's milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the
> child?
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula
> milk); what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make
> up?

First, this is _not_ the right place to ask that question.

Second, a myriad of products exist to address this need - read the side
of the package to find out what's in them if you insist on trying to do
this solo.

-S-

"john hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their
> mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

Jello works. All of my kids and their cousins were allergic to any type of
milk when they were babies. The sister in law with the oldest baby fed hers
liquid jello or baby rice blenderized with water. By the time my oldest son
was born they had come out with the soy formulas and he got switched over as
soon as my sister in law discovered he was having the same problems as her
oldest daughter.

Ms P

On Nov 22, 4:24*am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

There is no other suitable food other than formula or breast milk. If
you try anything else, they won't get the nutrients they need for such
a high growth period,. It is dangerous to try to feed them anything
else at this stage of their lives, as their digestive track cannot
handle it, and you will slight them greatly on what they need to grow.

Talk to a pediatrician or a nutritionist.

Christine, who is a neonatal nurse.

On Nov 22, 4:24*am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

Similac

On Nov 22, 7:24*am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

I once heard a talk from a pediatrician in which he stated that pureed
squash was the best first food for babies. Easy to digest and plain.

Kris

In article
>,
Kris > wrote:

> On Nov 22, 7:24*am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
> > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
> >
> > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
> I once heard a talk from a pediatrician in which he stated that pureed
> squash was the best first food for babies. Easy to digest and plain.

It's not suitable for newborns or babies less than about 6 months old at
the earliest, though.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Nov 22, 9:57*am, Andy > wrote:
> "Ms P" > wrote:
>
> > "john hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their
> >> mother's
> >> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> >> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula
> >> milk); what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make
> >> up?
>
> > Jello works. *All of my kids and their cousins were allergic to any
> > type of milk when they were babies. *The sister in law with the oldest
> > baby fed hers liquid jello or baby rice blenderized with water. *By
> > the time my oldest son was born they had come out with the soy
> > formulas and he got switched over as soon as my sister in law
> > discovered he was having the same problems as her oldest daughter.
>
> > Ms P
>
> I was thinking of the Jell-O puddings.
>
> http://alturl.com/vxv34
>
> I wouldn't want a newborn eating dangerous food additives so read the
> ingredients. If YOU don't know what any are, don't feed it to the
> newborn.
>
> And dilute pudding and gelatin down with twice as much water since their
> taste buds aren't developed yet and it will be more drinkable and more
> servings.
>
> Or not!
>
> Andy

Now you're a pediatric nutritionist!

In article
>,
Kris > wrote:

> On Nov 22, 7:24*am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
> > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
> >
> > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
> I once heard a talk from a pediatrician in which he stated that pureed
> squash was the best first food for babies. Easy to digest and plain.

Very young babies (don't know where this "few months" came from) will
double their birth weight in a short time. They need fat, sugar and
protein to do this, not squash. I can see it for a first supplemental
food, though.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Kris wrote:
> On Nov 22, 7:24 am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
>> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their
>> mother's milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give
>> the
>> child?
>>
>> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula
>> milk); what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to
>> make up?
>
> I once heard a talk from a pediatrician in which he stated that
> pureed
> squash was the best first food for babies. Easy to digest and plain.
>
> Kris

Taking it a step further, I'm thinking about John's question. All
answers so far have been from a leading country, with access to the
usual items such as formulas and soy milk.

What if that baby were from a third-world country and the mother died?
How would the baby live? Or would it? Would there be something on
which a young baby could survive?

In article
<arabianknits-B8889D.14002122112010@reserved-multicast-range-NOT-delegat
ed.example.com>,
Ranée at Arabian Knits > wrote:

> In article >,
> "john hamilton" > wrote:
>
> > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
> >
> > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
> Our babies' first food is usually yogurt.

With the restrictions given above, I'm going to say that yogurt is an
animal milk.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
"Dora" > wrote:


> Taking it a step further, I'm thinking about John's question. All
> answers so far have been from a leading country, with access to the
> usual items such as formulas and soy milk.
>
> What if that baby were from a third-world country and the mother died?
> How would the baby live? Or would it? Would there be something on
> which a young baby could survive?

Mother Nature, in Her infinite wisdom, has provided sufficient milk from
each nursing woman to feed several babies. Whether she has one, twins
or triplets, there will be enough. If a nursing mother dies, and there
is another available, she will soon provide enough milk, given that
there is enough food available for her to eat.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:24:43 -0000, "john hamilton"
> wrote:

>If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
>milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
>Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
>what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>

In Hawaii poi was given as first food. It is a starch and can be made
very liquid if need be, but I believe is easily digestible. I gave it
to my children when they were small before any rice stuff out of a
box. It is very palatable.

aloha,
Cea

pure kona > wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:24:43 -0000, "john hamilton"

>>If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
>>milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>>
>>Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
>>what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

>In Hawaii poi was given as first food. It is a starch and can be made
>very liquid if need be, but I believe is easily digestible. I gave it
>to my children when they were small before any rice stuff out of a
>box. It is very palatable.

But I can't imagine there's much protein in poi.


Steve

On Nov 22, 10:51*am, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> On Nov 22, 5:20*am, Melba's Jammin' >
> wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > *"john hamilton" > wrote:
>
> > > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> > > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
> > Probably soy milk. *But I'm only guessing. *Is there a reason you've not
> > consulted with a pediatrician or a pediatric nurse?
>
> Three possibilities occur to me:
>
> 1. OP kidnapped baby.
> 2. OP killed mother but spared her infant.
> 3. OP stole car; discovered infant in back seat.
>
> I suggest dropping off the child at the nearest fire department.

Apparently you and Steve were the only folks who realized that this
was a bogus post. Many of the folks who replied have been on Usenet
for years.

--Bryan

On 11/22/2010 6:24 AM, john hamilton wrote:
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk).....
......... snip

Maybe hire a 'wet nurse' (maybe she might volunteer??) or perhaps
consult the local "La Leche League" (sp?) to ask where one has resource
to frozen bottled human milk. Many mothers donate their milk,
especially if they have extra, for whatever reasons.

Sky

--

Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

john hamilton wrote:
> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
>



You aren't planning to kidnap one, are you? Why can't you ask a
professional?

gloria p

Dora wrote:

>
> Taking it a step further, I'm thinking about John's question. All
> answers so far have been from a leading country, with access to the
> usual items such as formulas and soy milk.
>
> What if that baby were from a third-world country and the mother died?
> How would the baby live? Or would it? Would there be something on
> which a young baby could survive?



In many third world countries the baby would be taken to a "wet nurse",
another mother who is nursing her own child.

Survival is in the eye of the beholder. Many of the items that have
been listed would keep someone alive, but are deficient in various
nutrients that would contribute to the health and growth of the baby,
both physical and mental.

gloria p

In article >,
"gloria.p" > wrote:

> john hamilton wrote:
> > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
> >
> > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
> >
> >
> You aren't planning to kidnap one, are you? Why can't you ask a
> professional?

He answered that this morning. He has no interest in what to feed a
baby. He's trying to find the "essential" food. Someone said it was
jello. He's happy with that. So the answer is rice.

Are you happy now? Someone on another group (about vision) wants to
know about some equally ridiculous thing. He's upset that no one will
give him an answer.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> "gloria.p" > wrote:
>
>> john hamilton wrote:
>>> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
>>> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>>>
>>> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
>>> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>>>
>>>
>> You aren't planning to kidnap one, are you? Why can't you ask a
>> professional?
>
> He answered that this morning. He has no interest in what to feed a
> baby. He's trying to find the "essential" food. Someone said it was
> jello. He's happy with that. So the answer is rice.
>


Sorry, I didn't read rfc until tonight. It;s been a hectic day.
I was surprised someone mentioned Jello. It's mostly sugar with a
small bit of gelatin and a mix of organic chemical fake fruit flavors.
Ugh.

gloria p

On Nov 22, 4:53*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *Kris > wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 7:24*am, "john hamilton" > wrote:
> > > If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> > > milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> > > Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> > > what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?
>
> > I once heard a talk from a pediatrician in which he stated that pureed
> > squash was the best first food for babies. Easy to digest and plain.
>
> Very young babies (don't know where this "few months" came from) will
> double their birth weight in a short time. *They need fat, sugar and
> protein to do this, not squash. *I can see it for a first supplemental
> food, though.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

He said you could start it instead of rice cereal at about 3 months.
I waited longer though - guess I was a paranoid mother.

Squash must have some sugar though, right?

Kris

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:04:56 -0800 (PST), Kris >
wrote:

> He said you could start it instead of rice cereal at about 3 months.
> I waited longer though - guess I was a paranoid mother.
>
> Squash must have some sugar though, right?

I don't know how old your child is, but the list of don'ts and whens
has changed since my kids were babies.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:24:43 +0000, john hamilton wrote:

> If a very young baby of a few months does not have access to their mother's
> milk, what would be the nearest substitute food to give the child?
>
> Ignoring cow's milk and other animal milks, (and powdered formula milk);
> what would be the most suitable mixture of food stuffs to make up?

Ask the baby's pediatrician.

BTW, 8/10 for this one.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> All of these foods should not be given too early though. He mentioned
> a baby that is only a few months old..and to me that says the baby
> might be too young for anything but formula or milk. And even when
> other foods are started, they should only be supplemental for a bit.
>
> If babies are fed anything but milk or a formula, they miss essential
> nutrients which they need at that age. Dora mentioned third world
> countries, and one can see the problems when children and especially
> babies don't get the nutrients they need. They are malnourished, and
> will not thrive. Not to mention that at a very early age, their
> bodies are not ready for anything more solid than milk of some sort.
>
> Jello is a really, really poor choice. The baby would not get
> anything like the fat they need for growing brains, and the proteins
> and carbohydrates they need. They might survive for a bit, but they
> would look like the babies in third world countries with the big
> bellies and stick arms.
>
> Christine


The cousin that was fed jello the longest did very well. She lived on jello
and rice water for almost 6 months. Then her mother found the soy formula
and had to nearly starve the baby to get her to even take the soy formula.
The baby had started to refuse any type of formula or milk when she was just
weeks old because it made her violently ill. She did not look like a third
world baby either.

Ms P

"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry, I didn't read rfc until tonight. It;s been a hectic day.
> I was surprised someone mentioned Jello. It's mostly sugar with a
> small bit of gelatin and a mix of organic chemical fake fruit flavors.
> Ugh.
>
> gloria p

I mentioned it from personal experience with a niece. She lived on mostly
jello for almost 6 months. And she didn't look like a third world baby.
She looked perfectly healthy.

Ms P

In article >,
"Ms P" > wrote:

> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sorry, I didn't read rfc until tonight. It;s been a hectic day.
> > I was surprised someone mentioned Jello. It's mostly sugar with a
> > small bit of gelatin and a mix of organic chemical fake fruit flavors.
> > Ugh.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> I mentioned it from personal experience with a niece. She lived on mostly
> jello for almost 6 months. And she didn't look like a third world baby.
> She looked perfectly healthy.

Looking healthy and being healthy are two very different things.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> And to think one can give a baby NOT what it needs, seems even more
> negligent. It really and truly scares me. I do know that in
> desperate times people will take desperate measures..but
> please...remember there is a reason why milk is considered the
> essential baby food. Breast milk for humans.....cows milk for calfs..
> etc. Formulas for those that cannot have access to breast milk.

For me, the original post was very worrying and not a liitle frightening.
Why in the world would some man come on a cooking/usenet group for advice on
the best way to feed a tiny baby with feeding problems
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On 11/23/2010 11:53 PM, Ms P wrote:
>
>
> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sorry, I didn't read rfc until tonight. It;s been a hectic day.
>> I was surprised someone mentioned Jello. It's mostly sugar with a
>> small bit of gelatin and a mix of organic chemical fake fruit flavors.
>> Ugh.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> I mentioned it from personal experience with a niece. She lived on
> mostly jello for almost 6 months. And she didn't look like a third world
> baby. She looked perfectly healthy.
>
> Ms P

She may look fine, but you can't see into her little brain. This is sad.

--
Currently reading: The Chalice by Phil Rickman and The Walking Dead vol 3

On 11/24/2010 3:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
> ...
>> And to think one can give a baby NOT what it needs, seems even more
>> negligent. It really and truly scares me. I do know that in
>> desperate times people will take desperate measures..but
>> please...remember there is a reason why milk is considered the
>> essential baby food. Breast milk for humans.....cows milk for calfs..
>> etc. Formulas for those that cannot have access to breast milk.
>
> For me, the original post was very worrying and not a liitle frightening.
> Why in the world would some man come on a cooking/usenet group for
> advice on
> the best way to feed a tiny baby with feeding problems

very true. There are much better resources (not that Christine isn't
excellent, she is!)

--
Currently reading: The Chalice by Phil Rickman and The Walking Dead vol 3

"ravenlynne" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/24/2010 3:28 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> And to think one can give a baby NOT what it needs, seems even more
>>> negligent. It really and truly scares me. I do know that in
>>> desperate times people will take desperate measures..but
>>> please...remember there is a reason why milk is considered the
>>> essential baby food. Breast milk for humans.....cows milk for calfs..
>>> etc. Formulas for those that cannot have access to breast milk.
>>
>> For me, the original post was very worrying and not a liitle frightening.
>> Why in the world would some man come on a cooking/usenet group for
>> advice on
>> the best way to feed a tiny baby with feeding problems
>
> very true. There are much better resources (not that Christine isn't
> excellent, she is!)

Christine is a powerhouse of knowledge in these matter. Did that man know
Christine was here? He didn't ask for her He just put out a casual
question!!! That is what frightened me.
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https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

Ophelia wrote:
> For me, the original post was very worrying and not a liitle
> frightening. Why in the world would some man come on a
> cooking/usenet
> group for advice on the best way to feed a tiny baby with feeding
> problems --

Agreed. I don't think he was looking for advice, per se. I think he
was putting out feelers because he was working on some type of
project.

"Dora" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>> For me, the original post was very worrying and not a liitle
>> frightening. Why in the world would some man come on a cooking/usenet
>> group for advice on the best way to feed a tiny baby with feeding
>> problems --
>
> Agreed. I don't think he was looking for advice, per se. I think he was
> putting out feelers because he was working on some type of project.

One can only hope.......

--
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https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

"ravenlynne" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/23/2010 11:53 PM, Ms P wrote:
>>
>>
>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sorry, I didn't read rfc until tonight. It;s been a hectic day.
>>> I was surprised someone mentioned Jello. It's mostly sugar with a
>>> small bit of gelatin and a mix of organic chemical fake fruit flavors.
>>> Ugh.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>> I mentioned it from personal experience with a niece. She lived on
>> mostly jello for almost 6 months. And she didn't look like a third world
>> baby. She looked perfectly healthy.
>>
>> Ms P
>
> She may look fine, but you can't see into her little brain. This is sad.


It would have been even sadder to let her die because there wasn't anything
else to feed her.

Ms P

On 2010-11-24, Christine Dabney > wrote:

> I would have talked to the pediatrician first..to see what was
> available and what would be the wisest course of action. They
> probably could have found something. I wouldn't have gone ahead
> with giving the baby Jello.

I thought this whole thread was jes a troll, until I overheard
snippets from one of those trailer trash talk shows my mom was
watching, with 9 to 12 yr old girls insisting they'd make good
mothers. Not a one of them appeared to have the brains God gave a
layer of dust.

nb

In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:


> For me, the original post was very worrying and not a liitle frightening.
> Why in the world would some man come on a cooking/usenet group for advice on
> the best way to feed a tiny baby with feeding problems

He explained it later that day. He had no interest in what to feed
babies. He thought that if he could find the ONE food that was suitable
for babies, that it would define what was best for everybody. Bad
assumption.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> The digestive system is immature..and if you give it what
> it cannot digest..it can make a baby very sick, or malnourished.
> Things like Jello will supply sugar, yes. But no protein, and no fat,
> which babies need in abundance.

I thought Jello had significant protein, though no fat. It's name comes
from gelatin which is gelled protein. I have not read the nutitional
information on the label in years and never thought about digestion
issues.