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I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do
like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" for me? Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? |
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On Dec 17, 8:25*am, wrote:
> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > for me? > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? Buy them both. They really aren't that expensive. |
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Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>Big skillet wins.. OK Well I think all I have right now is an 8-10 inch skillet Just doesn't seem big enough |
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Chemo the Clown > wrote:
>Buy them both. They really aren't that expensive. yeah I might do just that any advice on a decent wok to buy? Brand and model? |
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"gloria.p" > wrote:
>A few skillets in different sizes will be much more useful. Point taken! Thanks! |
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On Dec 17, 11:25*am, wrote:
> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > for me? > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? I get by without one. I have two wok cookbooks, and everything turns out fine in a deep skillet, like a chicken fryer, or just a slope edged skillet of at least 10 inches in diameter.. Save your money and storage space. |
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On Dec 17, 11:49*am, "gloria.p" > wrote:
> wrote: > > I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > > for me? > > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > > Probably not. *A good one won't be cheap, is hard to store, > and needs a very hot burner to work properly. *You will probably use it > a few times then it will sit in the back of the cupboard till you give > it to Goodwill. *(Electric woks are useless, by the way--they don't get > hot enough.) > > A few skillets in different sizes will be much more useful. > > gloria p I'll add onto this. I had a stovetop wok once - with an electric stove on the highest settting, it still never got hot enough. I donated it, but did keep the nice skimmer tool which was part of the collection. I still say - don't buy one. Put the money in your retirement fund. |
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On Dec 17, 11:25*am, wrote:
> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > for me? > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? I've had a wok. No big deal. Now I just use a seasoned cast iron skillet. For everything from scrambled eggs to stir fries. Works fine. A wok works well if you wish to do a little deep frying; because of it's shape. You don't need too much oil. Not as much as in a skillet. But because of it's curvature, you can't put as much stuff into it for deep frying at once. |
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On Dec 17, 8:25*am, wrote:
> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > for me? > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? Woks cook fast, and make stir frying easy. I can't imagine stirfrying in a skillet, which is designed for browning or slow frying. Doesn't the food fly out as you stir it? I've had my wok for well over 30 years now -- it was a Taylor & Ng. Round bottomed, I've always used it on a gas stove, with a ring. Once everything is chopped and ready, cooking takes only 5-10 minutes. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:41:17 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote: > if there are asian markets near you, a hammered carbon steel wok will be > pretty inexpensive and work fine. Ditto. No need to go overboard. Buy a more expensive one and you're throwing money away unnecessarily. Most Asians buy theirs from the market too and they use theirs on a daily basis. I figure if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:33:49 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote: >On Dec 17, 8:25*am, wrote: >> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do >> like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes >> >> I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... >> but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" >> for me? >> >> Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the >> advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? > >Woks cook fast, and make stir frying easy. I can't imagine stirfrying >in a skillet, which is designed for browning or slow frying. Doesn't >the food fly out as you stir it? Stir frying is the neophytes nomenclature for sauteing. Just pick up the pan by it's handle and frip the lice chop chop. I'm sure the Chinese don't call it "stir frying"... don't think they can pronounce stil flying ah so! |
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![]() Brooklyn1 wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: > > >I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > >like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > > >I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > >but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > >for me? > > > >Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > >advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? > > Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir > frying. I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny > quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. The vast majority of folks > who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. |
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Brooklyn1 wrote on Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:33:23 -0500:
>> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do >> like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes >> >> I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... >> but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" >> for me? >> >> Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the >> advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? We used a fast-heating electric wok satisfactorily for many years and it still works but you need a fairly high wattage electric wok if you don't have a gas stove. Nowadays, when I stir fry for myself, I simply use a non-stick skillet. Overall, I do believe that if you have gas, a regular wok produces the best results. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Dec 17, 12:18*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote: > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: > > > >I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > > >like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > > >I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > > >but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > > >for me? > > > >Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > > >advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? > > > Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir > > frying. *I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny > > quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. *The vast majority of folks > > who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). > > I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or > charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function > properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. Hmm... should I go by this unsupported assertion, or rely on over thirty years of personal experience stir-frying on ordinary gas stoves? |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:18:35 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote: > >Brooklyn1 wrote: >> >> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: >> >> >I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do >> >like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes >> > >> >I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... >> >but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" >> >for me? >> > >> >Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the >> >advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? >> >> Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir >> frying. I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny >> quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. The vast majority of folks >> who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). > >I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or >charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function >properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. Were I seriously into stir frying on my ordinary gas stove I'd have this: http://debuyer.com/product.php?id=71...=bleu1&start=2 http://www.amazon.com/Buyer-Mineral-...pd_sim_dbs_k_3 |
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wrote: > I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > for me? > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? The way I cook, there is no advantage, so I don't have a wok. I do my stir fries in a skillet. -- Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella "Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle." Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010; http://web.me.com/barbschaller |
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On Dec 17, 1:43*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:18:35 -0600, "Pete C." > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Brooklyn1 wrote: > > >> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: > > >> >I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > >> >like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > >> >I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > >> >but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > >> >for me? > > >> >Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > >> >advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? > > >> Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir > >> frying. *I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny > >> quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. *The vast majority of folks > >> who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). > > >I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or > >charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function > >properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. > > Were I seriously into stir frying on my ordinary gas stove I'd have > this:http://debuyer.com/product.php?id=71...=bleu1&start=2 > > http://www.amazon.com/Buyer-Mineral-...dp/B002L874UI/... Hmm... Should I spend $70 for a frypan, or $35 for a wok with cover and gas ring? http://www.taylorandng.com/index.php...c-wok-set.html |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:11:25 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote: > On Dec 17, 12:18*pm, "Pete C." > wrote: > > Brooklyn1 wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: > > > > > >I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > > > >like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > > > > >I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > > > >but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > > > >for me? > > > > > >Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > > > >advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? > > > > > Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir > > > frying. *I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny > > > quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. *The vast majority of folks > > > who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). > > > > I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or > > charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function > > properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. > > Hmm... should I go by this unsupported assertion, or rely on over > thirty years of personal experience stir-frying on ordinary gas > stoves? > They're from the "Tim, the Toolman, Taylor" school of thought. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:01:00 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
> People that say you need a gas stove > simply haven't tried wokking with a proper electric stove or worse, have > no experience with cooking in this manner. I suspect that's the case. Usually, the bigger the mouth the less experience with the situation. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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On Dec 17, 11:00*am, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:41:17 -0500, blake murphy > > > wrote: > > if there are asian markets near you, a hammered carbon steel wok will be > > pretty inexpensive and work fine. > > Ditto. *No need to go overboard. *Buy a more expensive one and you're > throwing money away unnecessarily. *Most Asians buy theirs from the > market too and they use theirs on a daily basis. *I figure if it's > good enough for them, it's good enough for me. > A warning: Asian markets are filled with thin crappy sheet metal woks as well. Don't be fooled into buying one of them -- make sure you get hammered carbon steel. |
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![]() sf wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:11:25 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888 > > wrote: > > > On Dec 17, 12:18 pm, "Pete C." > wrote: > > > Brooklyn1 wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: > > > > > > > >I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > > > > >like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > > > > > > >I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > > > > >but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > > > > >for me? > > > > > > > >Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > > > > >advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? > > > > > > > Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir > > > > frying. I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny > > > > quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. The vast majority of folks > > > > who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). > > > > > > I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or > > > charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function > > > properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. > > > > Hmm... should I go by this unsupported assertion, or rely on over > > thirty years of personal experience stir-frying on ordinary gas > > stoves? > > > They're from the "Tim, the Toolman, Taylor" school of thought. You'll find that same "unsupported" assertion from many professional chefs and you'll find they all use woks on burners with much higher BTU output than an "ordinary" gas stove. It's a bit like folks who get a pizza stone and then are afraid to run the oven hot enough and set it at 350, yes, they'll get the pizza cooked, but they will not get the correct results that they would get running the oven hot enough (500-500 if your oven will do it). |
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On 12/17/2010 5:16 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:11:25 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888 > > wrote: > >> On Dec 17, 12:18 pm, "Pete > wrote: >>> Brooklyn1 wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:25:55 -0600, wrote: >>> >>>>> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do >>>>> like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes >>> >>>>> I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... >>>>> but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" >>>>> for me? >>> >>>>> Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the >>>>> advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? >>> >>>> Big skillet wins... raw spuds is not something lends itself to stir >>>> frying. I see no point to a wok unless one cooks very teeny >>>> quantities or has a huge BTU gas burner. The vast majority of folks >>>> who wok at home are just fooling themselves (ie. masturbating). >>> >>> I agree, unless you have a high BTU burner (or cook over a wood or >>> charcoal fire) you don't have enough heat input for a wok to function >>> properly and you may as well use an ordinary large skillet. >> >> Hmm... should I go by this unsupported assertion, or rely on over >> thirty years of personal experience stir-frying on ordinary gas >> stoves? >> > They're from the "Tim, the Toolman, Taylor" school of thought. > Or not, maybe do a little reading about "wok hei" (hint, it is the reason for that great flavor you get from a good Chinese restaurant that you can never duplicate without a big burner). |
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"James Silverton" >
wrote: >Overall, I do believe that if you have gas, a regular >wok produces the best results. I have an electric stove if that matters any I guess maybe if I did get a wok..... I should look at the self contained electric models? |
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blake murphy > wrote:
>do you have a gas or electric stove? for gas, you want a round-bottomed >wok with a ring stand. electric means flat-bottomed. > >if there are asian markets near you, a hammered carbon steel wok will be >pretty inexpensive and work fine. I have an electric stove only |
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>>do you have a gas or electric stove? for gas, you want a round-bottomed >>wok with a ring stand. electric means flat-bottomed. >> >>if there are asian markets near you, a hammered carbon steel wok will be >>pretty inexpensive and work fine. > > I have an electric stove only Don't worry about it...you can use a stove ring stand on an electric burner. I do all the time and it's fine. -- When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnrYMafCzeE |
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> I guess maybe if I did get a wok..... I should look at > the self contained electric models? More likely to break down than the non-electric model ;-) -- When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnrYMafCzeE |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:38:24 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote: > On Dec 17, 11:00*am, sf > wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:41:17 -0500, blake murphy > > > > > wrote: > > > if there are asian markets near you, a hammered carbon steel wok will be > > > pretty inexpensive and work fine. > > > > Ditto. *No need to go overboard. *Buy a more expensive one and you're > > throwing money away unnecessarily. *Most Asians buy theirs from the > > market too and they use theirs on a daily basis. *I figure if it's > > good enough for them, it's good enough for me. > > > > A warning: Asian markets are filled with thin crappy sheet metal woks > as well. Don't be fooled into buying one of them -- make sure you get > hammered carbon steel. Maybe he should buy one as cheaply as possible to figure out if he will do enough wok cooking to matter if he buys anything better or not. I have produced Chinese food that tastes like it came from a restaurant using a round bottomed steel (no clue if it's carbon) wok and ring that I bought at a hardware store in Chinatown, on an electric stove. <shrug> You don't need the most expensive cooking implements to produce tasty food. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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"Pete C." > wrote:
-snip- > >It's a bit like folks who get a pizza stone and then are afraid to run >the oven hot enough and set it at 350, yes, they'll get the pizza >cooked, but they will not get the correct results that they would get >running the oven hot enough (500-500 if your oven will do it). Pizza was why I bought the Bayou burner-- I still don't have the 'oven' together, but the goal is to cook the pizza on a 700F stone. High heat is more than just showing off-- it is chemistry. Jim |
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On Dec 17, 8:25 am, wrote:
> I'm not much of a cook at all.... but one thing I do > like is fried potatoes and stir fry type dishes > > I have a nice skillet (probably too small) though..... > but have wondered if maybe a wok is the better "tool" > for me? > > Can someone give this neophyte cook some advice on the > advantages of wok vs BIG skillet? Buy a skillet for the potatoes, as Sheldon says. If you really want to do Asian-style stirfries buy a wok. I've made Chinese stirfries for decades and it can be done at home, no matter the naysayers. For your electric stove, buy this one: http://www.wokshop.com/HTML/products...od-handle.html Buy the 12-inch size for most home cooking. It has a flat bottom so you can put it directly on the burner which will be stable and will maximize heat. On their website you'll find a video about how to season it. The main point to remember is not to fear high heat. Set the burner on high and leave it there. A little smoke is a good thing. If you temporarily need less heat during the cooking of a dish, move the wok off to the other front burner but leave the main one on, staying red hot. Things should sizzle loudly when you put food in the wok and should continue to sizzle. When you put meat in the wok, spread it out evenly and let it sear for a couple of minutes before you begin to stir it around. Stirfrying is a big subject. Grace Young's books are quite useful. -aem |
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![]() Jim Elbrecht wrote: > > "Pete C." > wrote: > > -snip- > > > >It's a bit like folks who get a pizza stone and then are afraid to run > >the oven hot enough and set it at 350, yes, they'll get the pizza > >cooked, but they will not get the correct results that they would get > >running the oven hot enough (500-500 if your oven will do it). > > Pizza was why I bought the Bayou burner-- I still don't have the > 'oven' together, but the goal is to cook the pizza on a 700F stone. > > High heat is more than just showing off-- it is chemistry. > > Jim Yes, the "real" pizza ovens run in the 700-800F range. The 500-550F that most home ovens can get to is hot enough to get a reasonable result at least, something you won't get down at 350F. |
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