It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some one
suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed it in the
store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really does
work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having a
problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now. Thank
you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I am very
grateful once again.

Phyllis Stone wrote:
> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and
> some one suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed
> it in the store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and
> it really does work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I
> started having a problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes
> look okay now. Thank you very much. I have been helped in the past by
> this group and I am very grateful once again.

Wow, I was just going to look to find the name of this product that was
mentioned here because sort of suddenly a couple of my drinking glasses
look cloudy. Thought I'd give it a shot before replacing them. They don't
look etched. Good timing, thanks.

nancy

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:22:48 -0600, "Phyllis Stone"
> wrote:

> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some one
> suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed it in the
> store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really does
> work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having a
> problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now. Thank
> you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I am very
> grateful once again.


I'm glad you've endorsed it too, because I noticed that some of my
liqueur glasses are getting cloudy. I'll look for it too.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 12/26/2010 6:22 PM, Phyllis Stone wrote:
> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some
> one suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed it in
> the store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really
> does work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having
> a problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now.
> Thank you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I
> am very grateful once again.

I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.

I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Janet Wilder wrote:

> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>
> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
> a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>
isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?

Cost per load?

"Phyllis Stone" > wrote in
:

> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days
> ago and some one suggested this product. I had never heard of
> it nor noticed it in the store. Kroger had it and I have used
> it about 5 times and it really does work. I still don't
> understand why all of a sudden I started having a problem of
> film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now. Thank
> you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group
> and I am very grateful once again.

Here's some reviews. Seems like it is well liked.

http://www0.epinions.com/Lemi_Shine/display_~reviews

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:13:57 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
>> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
>> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>>
>> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
>> a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>>
> isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?

Juts buy a bottle of citric acid at Whole Foods. It's a lot
cheaper and contains about 150 doses of the fufu packaged stuff.

-sw

On 12/26/2010 9:14 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:13:57 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
>>> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
>>> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>>>
>>> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
>>> a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>>>
>> isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?
>
> Juts buy a bottle of citric acid at Whole Foods. It's a lot
> cheaper and contains about 150 doses of the fufu packaged stuff.
>
> -sw

That's why I use Tang. No Whole Foods around here.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 12/26/2010 8:13 PM, Goomba wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
>> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
>> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>>
>> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of
>> times a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>>
> isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?

No. It's not a chemical, it's made with fruit acid.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 12/26/2010 08:15 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 26 Dec 2010 05:22:48p, Phyllis Stone told us...
>
>> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago
>> and some one suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor
>> noticed it in the store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5
>> times and it really does work. I still don't understand why all of
>> a sudden I started having a problem of film on the dishes but at
>> least my dishes look okay now. Thank you very much. I have been
>> helped in the past by this group and I am very grateful once
>> again.
>
> Phillis, I first posted about Lemi-Shine back in January, 2009, in
> response to another poster's problems with the same issues with their
> dishwasher. More recently, sf posted about it in response to another
> poster, mentioning my earlier recommendation.
>
> I'm still using Lemi-Shine in each load of dishes, and have been
> doing so for several years. I've found that I don't need to use a
> rinse agent anymore.
>
> I'm really happy that it's working for you!
>

All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
anything with phosphate in it anymore.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:00:21 -0600, Janet Wilder wrote:

> That's why I use Tang. No Whole Foods around here.

You can get Citric Acid at many places that have bulk bins or
health foods. Or any any upscale market that sells "sour salt".

The Mexican markets and ghetto quickie marts also sell something
originally called "Lucas", a kids candy that comes in small shaker
bottles at 3/$1. Those are about 33% citric acid. Tang must be
less than 10%. Probably closer to 5%.

Is it sold near the canning supplies as well? I think Certo has a
high concentration of citric acid. But that may not be any cheaper
than the stuff sold specifically for dishwashers.

Anyway, point is that the stuff sold specifically for dishwashers
is ridiculously overpriced. The raw ingredient is much cheaper.

-sw

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:00:42 -0600, Janet Wilder wrote:

> On 12/26/2010 8:13 PM, Goomba wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
>>> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
>>> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>>>
>>> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of
>>> times a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>>>
>> isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?
>
> No. It's not a chemical, it's made with fruit acid.

Citric acid is "chemical" :-) It's the same ingredient in
"Finish!" for dishwashers. Most likely the same thing in Lime
Away, too.

Any acid would work. But citric acid is the safest and most
powerful. Acetic acid is usually watered down to 5% as vinegar and
not as effective.

-sw

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:06:59 -0800, Whirled Peas wrote:

> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
> for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
> from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
> anything with phosphate in it anymore.

Still plenty of it in out food (especially deli-type meats).

Has there been a ban on phosphates? If there has a been a ban, I'd
worry about where China is going to hide all those industrial
phosphates now.

-sw

On 12/26/2010 10:10 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> Has there been a ban on phosphates?

On a case-by-case basis. It's been banned in laundry detergent,
dishwasher detergent and TSP (used to prep walls for painting), that I
know of. There are probably other individual bans too, but not a general
overall ban.

> If there has a been a ban, I'd
> worry about where China is going to hide all those industrial
> phosphates now.

Maybe they'll use them to bulk out their melamine exports :-\

>
> -sw

Whirled Peas wrote:

> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
> for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
> from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
> anything with phosphate in it anymore.

OOOOHHH!! Thanks for that! I was so puzzled, why are my glasses
looking cloudy anymore and they never were before. I didn't think
it was etching. I'm going to give the lemi shine a try and I hope it
solves that problem.

nancy

On 27 Dec 2010 12:15:41 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

> A water softener would solve most of the problems here, but where I
> live I can't install one. Lemi-Shine has been a blessing. We also
> spray a solution of Lemi-Shine in the shower after each use to
> prevent any buildup of mineral deposits.

When my mother lived in the outskirts of San Diego county, her water
was hard and she had a water softener, but it didn't keep the water
from clouding her glassware anyway and stepping up her
washer/dishwasher replacements. Just sayin'.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 12/27/2010 1:10 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:06:59 -0800, Whirled Peas wrote:
>
>> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
>> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
>> for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
>> from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
>> anything with phosphate in it anymore.
>
> Still plenty of it in out food (especially deli-type meats).
>
> Has there been a ban on phosphates? If there has a been a ban, I'd
> worry about where China is going to hide all those industrial
> phosphates now.
>
> -sw

I heard the hillsure factory has been buying it up...

"Nancy Young" wrote in message
...

Whirled Peas wrote:

> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
> for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
> from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
> anything with phosphate in it anymore.

OOOOHHH!! Thanks for that! I was so puzzled, why are my glasses
looking cloudy anymore and they never were before. I didn't think
it was etching. I'm going to give the lemi shine a try and I hope it
solves that problem.

nancy


Okay, not to look a gift horse in its 'mouse' as my child used to say, but
by using this product am I doing a bad thing to the environment? I want to
be a good citizen but I also want shiny dishes. That does answer my question
about why all of a sudden I have hard water. The answer is I probably don't,
I just have different detergent.

Phyllis Stone wrote:
> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some
> one suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed it in
> the store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really
> does work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having
> a problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now.
> Thank you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I
> am very grateful once again.

I still need to get some after the roads (and stores) are cleared.

In the meantime, I have been reading a lot about hard water,
detergents, etc. I tried Finish in tab form (NOT the tabs that
you put in the DW, package and all), and think the dishes look
better. And they dried in the DW, which was not the case the
first time.

I think I do need a whole house approach to the hard water though.

--
Jean B.

Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/26/2010 6:22 PM, Phyllis Stone wrote:
>> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some
>> one suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed it in
>> the store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really
>> does work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having
>> a problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now.
>> Thank you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I
>> am very grateful once again.
>
> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>
> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
> a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>
What problems do the whole house softeners present? I have read
about sodium but gather there are two approaches to the situation.

--
Jean B.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:13:57 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
>>> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
>>> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>>>
>>> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
>>> a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>>>
>> isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?
>
> Juts buy a bottle of citric acid at Whole Foods. It's a lot
> cheaper and contains about 150 doses of the fufu packaged stuff.
>
> -sw

How would one use this in the DW?

--
Jean B.

Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/26/2010 9:14 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:13:57 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>
>>>> I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
>>>> their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
>>>> softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>>>>
>>>> I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
>>>> a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>>>>
>>> isn't this stuff just another brand of Lime-A-Way?
>>
>> Juts buy a bottle of citric acid at Whole Foods. It's a lot
>> cheaper and contains about 150 doses of the fufu packaged stuff.
>>
>> -sw
>
> That's why I use Tang. No Whole Foods around here.
>
Same question. How do you use it in the DW? I do have some Tang.
Unused.

--
Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 26 Dec 2010 10:06:59p, Whirled Peas told us...
>
>> On 12/26/2010 08:15 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sun 26 Dec 2010 05:22:48p, Phyllis Stone told us...
>>>
>>>> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago
>>>> and some one suggested this product. I had never heard of it
>>>> nor noticed it in the store. Kroger had it and I have used it
>>>> about 5 times and it really does work. I still don't understand
>>>> why all of a sudden I started having a problem of film on the
>>>> dishes but at least my dishes look okay now. Thank you very
>>>> much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I am very
>>>> grateful once again.
>>> Phillis, I first posted about Lemi-Shine back in January, 2009,
>>> in response to another poster's problems with the same issues
>>> with their dishwasher. More recently, sf posted about it in
>>> response to another poster, mentioning my earlier recommendation.
>>>
>>> I'm still using Lemi-Shine in each load of dishes, and have been
>>> doing so for several years. I've found that I don't need to use
>>> a rinse agent anymore.
>>>
>>> I'm really happy that it's working for you!
>>>
>> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
>> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the
>> reasons for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a
>> cloudy film from forming, just as you describe. It's getting
>> really hard to find anything with phosphate in it anymore.
>>
>>
>
> That's interesting, and I didn't know it. Here in AZ, with or
> without phosphates, the water is so heavy with minerals that a haze
> forms on everything you put in the dishwasher, and will eventually
> ruin many things, especially glassware.
>
> A water softener would solve most of the problems here, but where I
> live I can't install one. Lemi-Shine has been a blessing. We also
> spray a solution of Lemi-Shine in the shower after each use to
> prevent any buildup of mineral deposits.
>
Ahhhhhh. Thanks for that idea!

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On 27 Dec 2010 12:15:41 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>> A water softener would solve most of the problems here, but where I
>> live I can't install one. Lemi-Shine has been a blessing. We also
>> spray a solution of Lemi-Shine in the shower after each use to
>> prevent any buildup of mineral deposits.
>
> When my mother lived in the outskirts of San Diego county, her water
> was hard and she had a water softener, but it didn't keep the water
> from clouding her glassware anyway and stepping up her
> washer/dishwasher replacements. Just sayin'.
>
Really! One of my hopes for the whole house approach was that
appliances would be longer lived.

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:06:46 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On 27 Dec 2010 12:15:41 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> A water softener would solve most of the problems here, but where I
> >> live I can't install one. Lemi-Shine has been a blessing. We also
> >> spray a solution of Lemi-Shine in the shower after each use to
> >> prevent any buildup of mineral deposits.
> >
> > When my mother lived in the outskirts of San Diego county, her water
> > was hard and she had a water softener, but it didn't keep the water
> > from clouding her glassware anyway and stepping up her
> > washer/dishwasher replacements. Just sayin'.
> >
> Really! One of my hopes for the whole house approach was that
> appliances would be longer lived.

Maybe it will let them live longer than if you didn't have the water
softener hooked up to them; but she still replaced her appliances more
often than I replaced mine.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:03:02 -0500, Jean B. wrote:

> How would one use this in the DW?

Just add it to the later detergent dispenser.

-sw

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:08:02 -0500, George wrote:

> On 12/27/2010 1:10 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:06:59 -0800, Whirled Peas wrote:
>>
>>> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
>>> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
>>> for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
>>> from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
>>> anything with phosphate in it anymore.
>>
>> Still plenty of it in out food (especially deli-type meats).
>>
>> Has there been a ban on phosphates? If there has a been a ban, I'd
>> worry about where China is going to hide all those industrial
>> phosphates now.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I heard the hillsure factory has been buying it up...

<snort>

your pal,
blake

On 12/27/2010 08:53 AM, Phyllis Stone wrote:

> Okay, not to look a gift horse in its 'mouse' as my child used to say,
> but by using this product am I doing a bad thing to the environment? I
> want to be a good citizen but I also want shiny dishes. That does answer
> my question about why all of a sudden I have hard water. The answer is I
> probably don't, I just have different detergent.

You can find the Lemi-Shine Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) online.
The quick answer is that the actual ingredients are a trade secret, but
they claim that nothing in it is banned or reportable under the
Superfund Act, Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, Environmental Response
Liability Act or California Prop 65. They do say that it has a lemony
odor and the pH is 3, meaning it's some kind of acid, I'm guessing
citric acid.

On 12/27/2010 04:27 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> Whirled Peas wrote:
>
>> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
>> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the reasons
>> for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a cloudy film
>> from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really hard to find
>> anything with phosphate in it anymore.
>
> OOOOHHH!! Thanks for that! I was so puzzled, why are my glasses
> looking cloudy anymore and they never were before. I didn't think
> it was etching. I'm going to give the lemi shine a try and I hope it
> solves that problem.
>
> nancy

You're welcome. A couple more things: Cascade (the dishwasher detergent
company) has a page under their FAQs addressing this and what you can do
about it. Also, appliance repair people have been hearing about this
from people concerned that their dishwasher may be broken. An actual
repair person may have some other practical suggestions.

Whirled Peas wrote:
> On 12/27/2010 04:27 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> Whirled Peas wrote:
>>
>>> All manufacturers of automatic dishwasher detergent removed the
>>> phosphates from their products starting July, 2010. One of the
>>> reasons for it being there in the old detergent was to prevent a
>>> cloudy film from forming, just as you describe. It's getting really
>>> hard to find anything with phosphate in it anymore.
>>
>> OOOOHHH!! Thanks for that! I was so puzzled, why are my glasses
>> looking cloudy anymore and they never were before. I didn't think
>> it was etching. I'm going to give the lemi shine a try and I hope it
>> solves that problem.

> You're welcome. A couple more things: Cascade (the dishwasher
> detergent company) has a page under their FAQs addressing this and
> what you can do about it. Also, appliance repair people have been
> hearing about this from people concerned that their dishwasher may be
> broken. An actual repair person may have some other practical
> suggestions.

I have these Anchor Hocking double old fashioned glasses, I take
a clean one every morning and I drink my seltzer out of it all day.
Weird, I know. At some point they started looking like they'd been
used for a couple of days ... and that was right out of the dishwasher.
I almost ordered a new set of them from replacements last week but
I thought the same thing is just going to happen to them.

It never occured to me that the dishwasher detergent had changed.
This has been bugging me and you really helped me out.

nancy

"Whirled Peas" wrote in message
...

>

You're welcome. A couple more things: Cascade (the dishwasher detergent
company) has a page under their FAQs addressing this and what you can do
about it. Also, appliance repair people have been hearing about this
from people concerned that their dishwasher may be broken. An actual
repair person may have some other practical suggestions.


That was one of the main reasons I got a new dishwasher. My Maytag was ten
years old and made a terrible noise one day, it sounded like an animal was
running amuck inside and about the same time the dishes started getting
streaky. I jumped to the conclusion that the Maytag was dying and got a new
Whirlpool. It is nice but I liked the Maytag a lot better.

On Dec 26, 7:22*pm, "Phyllis Stone" > wrote:
> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some one
> suggested this product. *I had never heard of it nor noticed it in the
> store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really does
> work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having a
> problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now. Thank
> you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I am very
> grateful once again.

The reason you've been having so much trouble recently is the
detergent makers have been removing the phosphates or reducing them
greatly to meet various states' newer stringent codes on them. They
were taken out of laundry detergents, and not even Tide works as well
anymore.

maxine in ri
another lemi-shine convert

maxine in ri wrote:

> The reason you've been having so much trouble recently is the
> detergent makers have been removing the phosphates or reducing them
> greatly to meet various states' newer stringent codes on them. They
> were taken out of laundry detergents, and not even Tide works as well
> anymore.

I don't know how, I totally missed the memo on this whole thing. I
thought my 'new' machine just didn't get my whites as white as the
previous one did. I've taken to adding a scoop of Oxy Clean to
my laundry and am happy with the results.

nancy

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:41:22 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> I don't know how, I totally missed the memo on this whole thing.

Me too. Wish they'd been a bit more vocal about the change. I guess
they didn't want to say "due to popular demand, we've eliminated
phosphates and oh, by the way... our products don't clean as well as
they used to".

>I
> thought my 'new' machine just didn't get my whites as white as the
> previous one did. I've taken to adding a scoop of Oxy Clean to
> my laundry and am happy with the results.

How long does the "oxy" in Oxy Clean last these days? I used to buy
the smallest size possible, but it still oxidized/hydrated (whatever
causes it to lose its "oomph") before I used up the container.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:41:22 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know how, I totally missed the memo on this whole thing.
>
> Me too. Wish they'd been a bit more vocal about the change. I guess
> they didn't want to say "due to popular demand, we've eliminated
> phosphates and oh, by the way... our products don't clean as well as
> they used to".
>
>>I
>> thought my 'new' machine just didn't get my whites as white as the
>> previous one did. I've taken to adding a scoop of Oxy Clean to
>> my laundry and am happy with the results.
>
> How long does the "oxy" in Oxy Clean last these days? I used to buy
> the smallest size possible, but it still oxidized/hydrated (whatever
> causes it to lose its "oomph") before I used up the container.

I bought a huge container somewhere. Maybe Costco? Didn't work at all.
Husband wanted it for his hat. Apparently it did work for that. His dress
uniform has this hat that has a white cloth part that can be removed. It
has to be cleaned every so often. He did use it fresh from the container.
I took the container after that and it didn't work for me at all. Come to
think of it, the only other time I bought it, it seemed to work right away
when I opened it but then never again after that.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:41:22 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>maxine in ri wrote:
>
>> The reason you've been having so much trouble recently is the
>> detergent makers have been removing the phosphates or reducing them
>> greatly to meet various states' newer stringent codes on them. They
>> were taken out of laundry detergents, and not even Tide works as well
>> anymore.
>
>I don't know how, I totally missed the memo on this whole thing. I
>thought my 'new' machine just didn't get my whites as white as the
>previous one did. I've taken to adding a scoop of Oxy Clean to
>my laundry and am happy with the results.
>
>nancy

Modern synthetic fiber fabrics don't whiten as well as natural fiber
fabrics... even with modern chemistry synthetics are far more
susceptible to UV decay/yellowing... especially when synthetics are
line dried outdoors. If you read garment tags carefully many will say
how to machine dry (synthetics typically on Low - excessive heat
causes more yellowing) but none suggest line drying outdoors. if you
must line dry synthetics hang them indoors. The answer is that if you
are going to use synthetic bedding/clothing don't buy white... even
today's hospitals/hotels use pastels... and no women's figure is
flattered by white unmentionables. yuk Most men don't buy white
underwear anymore either.... it's been a lot of years since I owned a
white tee shirt... I buy only best quality 100% cotton but none of the
companys I buy from offer white tees... some up to 20 colors but no
white.

On Dec 27, 11:02*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
> > On 12/26/2010 6:22 PM, Phyllis Stone wrote:
> >> It works! I asked for ideas about streaky dishes a few days ago and some
> >> one suggested this product. I had never heard of it nor noticed it in
> >> the store. Kroger had it and I have used it about 5 times and it really
> >> does work. I still don't understand why all of a sudden I started having
> >> a problem of film on the dishes but at least my dishes look okay now.
> >> Thank you very much. I have been helped in the past by this group and I
> >> am very grateful once again.
>
> > I Googled this stuff and I think I'm going to buy some. According to
> > their map, I live in "very hard" water area. I do have a whole house
> > softener, but I think that makes it's own problems, too.
>
> > I have been running Tang through the empty dishwasher a couple of times
> > a year, but this stuff seems like a better alternative.
>
> What problems do the whole house softeners present? *I have read
> about sodium but gather there are two approaches to the situation.
>
> --
> Jean B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"We" had a huge discussion about softeners here not too long ago - you
should be able to find the thread(s). I've had a water softener
system (permanent pipes; rented tank) for decades, and don't know of
any problem other than you should leave one faucet (kitchen cold) for
"hard" water, to use in cooking. If you mix hard and soft, you won't
get the full benefit of soft, but since your hard faucet will be in
the kitchen, that shouldn't be a problem. It's wonderful to have soft
water for laundry and for the shower and for the dishwasher.

N.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:17:22 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:41:22 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know how, I totally missed the memo on this whole thing.
>
>Me too. Wish they'd been a bit more vocal about the change. I guess
>they didn't want to say "due to popular demand, we've eliminated
>phosphates and oh, by the way... our products don't clean as well as
>they used to".

On Lung Guyland phosphates in cleaning products have been banned for
more then 20 years... I think any area with an aquifer... farming
chems too. They couldn't have been more vocal about the change,
nowadays just about every laundry detergent you can buy anywhere in
the US is promanently marked "Phosphate Free"/"Contains No Phosphate".
Phosphates were added because so many have hard water... with soft
water phosphates are totally unnecessary and one needs to use only
half as much cleaning product of all kinds. Cleaning products are
expensive, especially bathing soaps/shampoos, by cutting their use in
half the savings will easily pay for a water softener, let alone ones
plumbing repairs. With soft water you'll never need to scrub a
mineral crusted bathroom fixture again, shower heads will work like
new... your hot water heater will last twice as long and it'll cost
half as much to heat water.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6292217_we...etergent_.html

On Dec 27, 11:06*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > On 27 Dec 2010 12:15:41 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > > wrote:
>
> >> A water softener would solve most of the problems here, but where I
> >> live I can't install one. *Lemi-Shine has been a blessing. *We also
> >> spray a solution of Lemi-Shine in the shower after each use to
> >> prevent any buildup of mineral deposits.
>
> > When my mother lived in the outskirts of San Diego county, her water
> > was hard and she had a water softener, but it didn't keep the water
> > from clouding her glassware anyway and stepping up her
> > washer/dishwasher replacements. *Just sayin'.
>
> Really! *One of my hopes for the whole house approach was that
> appliances would be longer lived.
>
> --
> Jean B.

It's not exactly the water clouding the glassware, it's an "etching"
produced by a combination of the harsh soap and the water. If the
etching is light, it can be rubbed away using acetone nail polish
remover. Then, wash those pieces by hand.

N.