http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la...ive/index.html

Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
kwanzaa cake.

I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
the holiday season.


--
Happy Holidays!!!

On Dec 27, 1:58*pm, ravenlynne > wrote:
> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la..._lee_kwanzaa_c...
>
> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
> kwanzaa cake.
>
> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
> the holiday season.
>
> --
> Happy Holidays!!!

Oh, go ahead.....vent..... I wlll. Her show is crap, her food is
crap and she may be the most smarmy, annoying
'spokesperson' Ive ever seen.

On 12/27/2010 5:02 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, > wrote:
>> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la..._lee_kwanzaa_c...
>>
>> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
>> kwanzaa cake.
>>
>> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
>> the holiday season.
>>
>> --
>> Happy Holidays!!!
>
> Oh, go ahead.....vent..... I wlll. Her show is crap, her food is
> crap and she may be the most smarmy, annoying
> 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen.
>

:-)

--
Happy Holidays!!!

On Dec 27, 2:02*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 1:58*pm, ravenlynne > wrote:
>
> >http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la..._lee_kwanzaa_c...
>
> > Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
> > kwanzaa cake.
>
> > I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
> > the holiday season.
>
> > --
> > Happy Holidays!!!
>
> Oh, go ahead.....vent..... * I wlll. * *Her show is crap, her food is
> crap and she may be the most smarmy, annoying
> 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen.

Ya but...she's got some nice hooters.
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-pho...ger-1NQ1hp.jpg

On 12/27/2010 5:04 PM, Chemo the Clown wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2:02 pm, > wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la..._lee_kwanzaa_c...
>>
>>> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
>>> kwanzaa cake.
>>
>>> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
>>> the holiday season.
>>
>>> --
>>> Happy Holidays!!!
>>
>> Oh, go ahead.....vent..... I wlll. Her show is crap, her food is
>> crap and she may be the most smarmy, annoying
>> 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen.
>
> Ya but...she's got some nice hooters.
> http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-pho...ger-1NQ1hp.jpg

Yes but they're negated by the fact that she's always laying them in her
food. Watch her show once..she rubs them everywhere. Between that and
her choking hazard cocktails, I'm repulsed.

--
Happy Holidays!!!

On 12/27/2010 11:58 AM, ravenlynne wrote:
> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la...ive/index.html
>
>
> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
> kwanzaa cake.
>
> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
> the holiday season.
>
>

She really likes cinnamon! No need to get too riled up, people rarely
understand another culture to pull off a food dish well. My dad was
excited when the Chinese cook at a restaurant in Sweden told him he knew
how to make saimin. My father got spaghetti in chicken soup instead. One
man's saimin is another mans fail.

Ms. Lee didn't even create this blatantly false celebration cake and
therefore should only get 50% of the blame for presenting this to the
world. My guess is that she assumed the creator had a little integrity.

As it goes, we need people like Ms. Lee to make us regular cooks feel oh
so good about ourselves - to die for our cooking sins - who the heck
hasn't opened up a can of cream of mushroom soup? I dislike that salty
gooey stuff as much as all ya'all but that didn't stop me from dumping
it on some pork chops recently.

I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
because it sucks?

Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?


-J

On 12/27/2010 12:04 PM, Chemo the Clown wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2:02 pm, > wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la..._lee_kwanzaa_c...
>>
>>> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
>>> kwanzaa cake.
>>
>>> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
>>> the holiday season.
>>
>>> --
>>> Happy Holidays!!!
>>
>> Oh, go ahead.....vent..... I wlll. Her show is crap, her food is
>> crap and she may be the most smarmy, annoying
>> 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen.
>
> Ya but...she's got some nice hooters.
> http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-pho...ger-1NQ1hp.jpg

"they're real and they're spectacular"

On 12/27/2010 5:08 PM, HumBug! wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:24:08 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 12/27/2010 11:58 AM, ravenlynne wrote:
>>> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la...ive/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
>>> kwanzaa cake.
>>>
>>> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
>>> the holiday season.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> She really likes cinnamon! No need to get too riled up, people rarely
>> understand another culture to pull off a food dish well.
>
>
> Anything 'kwanzaa' is a recent concoction anyway,
> so who really gives a ...
>
>

This is exactly right. 200 years from now a Kwanzaa celebration cake
could be a sponge cake with apple pie filling. Yummy!

On Dec 27, 6:27*pm, phaeton > wrote:

> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
> because it sucks?

> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?

When I read the title for this thread, my first thought was
that she had made a cake in the image of Aunt Jemima.
Turns out she just made a standard Sandra crap dessert.

Mags, you said:

"Her show is crap, her food is crap and she may be
the most smarmy, annoying 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen."

I have a hard time getting quite so exercised over her.
To me, she's just one of a long list of ephemeral television
mediocrities.

On Dec 27, 8:32*pm, KevinS > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 6:27*pm, phaeton > wrote:
>
> > I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
> > because it sucks?
> > Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>
> When I read the title for this thread, my first thought was
> that she had made a cake in the image of Aunt Jemima.
> Turns out she just made a standard Sandra crap dessert.
>
> Mags, you said:
>
> "Her show is crap, her food is crap and she may be
> the most smarmy, annoying 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen."
>
> I have a hard time getting quite so exercised over her.
> To me, she's just one of a long list of ephemeral television
> mediocrities.

True, but Food Network ****es me off sticking her in commercials in
between shows. I like the Food Network, there are a couple of shows
that are really fun to watch. She just rubs me completely the wrong
way. She's completely phony and a fake and it is ridiculously
apparent ...at least to me.

On Dec 28, 9:17*am, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 8:32*pm, KevinS > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 6:27*pm, phaeton > wrote:
>
> > > I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
> > > because it sucks?
> > > Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>
> > When I read the title for this thread, my first thought was
> > that she had made a cake in the image of Aunt Jemima.
> > Turns out she just made a standard Sandra crap dessert.
>
> > Mags, you said:
>
> > "Her show is crap, her food is crap and she may be
> > the most smarmy, annoying 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen."
>
> > I have a hard time getting quite so exercised over her.
> > To me, she's just one of a long list of ephemeral television
> > mediocrities.
>
> True, but Food Network ****es me off sticking her in commercials in
> between shows. *I like the Food Network, there are a couple of shows
> that are really fun to watch. * She just rubs me completely the wrong
> way. *She's completely phony and a fake and it is ridiculously
> apparent ...at least to me.

And the chance of her one day becoming the first lady of the USA are
greater than for all the other FM celebs combined.
Mrs. Obama has her garden, and emphasis on fresh foods and nutrition.
Sandra could one day bring Pillsbury biscuits and Cool Whip back to
the White House.

--Bryan

On 12/28/2010 9:54 AM, Bryan wrote:
> On Dec 28, 9:17 am, > wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 8:32 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 27, 6:27 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>>> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
>>>> because it sucks?
>>>> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>>
>>> When I read the title for this thread, my first thought was
>>> that she had made a cake in the image of Aunt Jemima.
>>> Turns out she just made a standard Sandra crap dessert.
>>
>>> Mags, you said:
>>
>>> "Her show is crap, her food is crap and she may be
>>> the most smarmy, annoying 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen."
>>
>>> I have a hard time getting quite so exercised over her.
>>> To me, she's just one of a long list of ephemeral television
>>> mediocrities.
>>
>> True, but Food Network ****es me off sticking her in commercials in
>> between shows. I like the Food Network, there are a couple of shows
>> that are really fun to watch. She just rubs me completely the wrong
>> way. She's completely phony and a fake and it is ridiculously
>> apparent ...at least to me.
>
> And the chance of her one day becoming the first lady of the USA are
> greater than for all the other FM celebs combined.
> Mrs. Obama has her garden, and emphasis on fresh foods and nutrition.
> Sandra could one day bring Pillsbury biscuits and Cool Whip back to
> the White House.

Who'd be worse?? SL or Sarah Palin (SP)? I assume the latter since SP
actually ran for the presidential republican nomation! TG she didn't
win! SL as a potential 'first lady' would be far from ideal, but at
least she wouldn't be in office as "Ms. President".

Sky

--

Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

On 12/28/2010 3:48 PM, Sky wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 9:54 AM, Bryan wrote:
>> On Dec 28, 9:17 am, > wrote:
>>> On Dec 27, 8:32 pm, > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 27, 6:27 pm, > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
>>>>> because it sucks?
>>>>> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>>>
>>>> When I read the title for this thread, my first thought was
>>>> that she had made a cake in the image of Aunt Jemima.
>>>> Turns out she just made a standard Sandra crap dessert.
>>>
>>>> Mags, you said:
>>>
>>>> "Her show is crap, her food is crap and she may be
>>>> the most smarmy, annoying 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen."
>>>
>>>> I have a hard time getting quite so exercised over her.
>>>> To me, she's just one of a long list of ephemeral television
>>>> mediocrities.
>>>
>>> True, but Food Network ****es me off sticking her in commercials in
>>> between shows. I like the Food Network, there are a couple of shows
>>> that are really fun to watch. She just rubs me completely the wrong
>>> way. She's completely phony and a fake and it is ridiculously
>>> apparent ...at least to me.
>>
>> And the chance of her one day becoming the first lady of the USA are
>> greater than for all the other FM celebs combined.
>> Mrs. Obama has her garden, and emphasis on fresh foods and nutrition.
>> Sandra could one day bring Pillsbury biscuits and Cool Whip back to
>> the White House.
>
> Who'd be worse?? SL or Sarah Palin (SP)? I assume the latter since SP
> actually ran for the presidential republican nomation! TG she didn't
> win! SL as a potential 'first lady' would be far from ideal, but at
> least she wouldn't be in office as "Ms. President".
>
> Sky
>

A ticket like that will cause me to change nationality.

--
Happy Holidays!!!

On 12/28/2010 10:17 AM, ImStillMags wrote:

> True, but Food Network ****es me off sticking her in commercials in
> between shows. I like the Food Network, there are a couple of shows
> that are really fun to watch. She just rubs me completely the wrong
> way. She's completely phony and a fake and it is ridiculously
> apparent ...at least to me.

I have the same reaction to her. When I first started reading here, I'd
see the posts by Ubiquitous, and they were just so hysterical that I had
to watch the show. I'd never seen her before. I get a laugh over the
"voice over" comments because it's true!

phaeton wrote:
>
> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
> because it sucks?
>
> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?

Reading the actual article, I think it's a non-specific and largely
incoherent bash fest against her. I get the impression they would call
iced tea made by her offensive.

On 12/28/2010 12:27 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> phaeton wrote:
>>
>> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
>> because it sucks?
>>
>> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>
> Reading the actual article, I think it's a non-specific and largely
> incoherent bash fest against her. I get the impression they would call
> iced tea made by her offensive.

There's something about her that rubs a lot of folks the wrong way. I
can certainly identify with that! OTOH, I'd hate her too if I was forced
to watch her all the time.

On 12/28/2010 5:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 12:27 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> phaeton wrote:
>>>
>>> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
>>> because it sucks?
>>>
>>> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>>
>> Reading the actual article, I think it's a non-specific and largely
>> incoherent bash fest against her. I get the impression they would call
>> iced tea made by her offensive.
>
> There's something about her that rubs a lot of folks the wrong way. I
> can certainly identify with that! OTOH, I'd hate her too if I was forced
> to watch her all the time.

It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?

--
Happy Holidays!!!

On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 5:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 12/28/2010 12:27 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>> phaeton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
>>>> because it sucks?
>>>>
>>>> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>>>
>>> Reading the actual article, I think it's a non-specific and largely
>>> incoherent bash fest against her. I get the impression they would call
>>> iced tea made by her offensive.
>>
>> There's something about her that rubs a lot of folks the wrong way. I
>> can certainly identify with that! OTOH, I'd hate her too if I was forced
>> to watch her all the time.
>
> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
>

Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)

On 12/28/2010 6:04 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:

>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
>> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
>>
>
> Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
> because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
> many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
> and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)

Which I guess is fine, but she's making money off of books and dvds too..

--
Happy Holidays!!!

On Dec 28, 2:48*pm, Sky > wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 9:54 AM, Bryan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 9:17 am, > *wrote:
> >> On Dec 27, 8:32 pm, > *wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 27, 6:27 pm, > *wrote:
>
> >>>> I take it that the only reason that this pie was 'offensive' was
> >>>> because it sucks?
> >>>> Or is this some medium-veiled race thing?
>
> >>> When I read the title for this thread, my first thought was
> >>> that she had made a cake in the image of Aunt Jemima.
> >>> Turns out she just made a standard Sandra crap dessert.
>
> >>> Mags, you said:
>
> >>> "Her show is crap, her food is crap and she may be
> >>> the most smarmy, annoying 'spokesperson' Ive ever seen."
>
> >>> I have a hard time getting quite so exercised over her.
> >>> To me, she's just one of a long list of ephemeral television
> >>> mediocrities.
>
> >> True, but Food Network ****es me off sticking her in commercials in
> >> between shows. *I like the Food Network, there are a couple of shows
> >> that are really fun to watch. * She just rubs me completely the wrong
> >> way. *She's completely phony and a fake and it is ridiculously
> >> apparent ...at least to me.
>
> > And the chance of her one day becoming the first lady of the USA are
> > greater than for all the other FM celebs combined.
> > Mrs. Obama has her garden, and emphasis on fresh foods and nutrition.
> > Sandra could one day bring Pillsbury biscuits and Cool Whip back to
> > the White House.
>
> Who'd be worse?? *SL or Sarah Palin (SP)? *I assume the latter since SP
> actually ran for the presidential republican nomation! *TG she didn't
> win! *SL as a potential 'first lady' would be far from ideal, but at
> least she wouldn't be in office as "Ms. President".

SL is just a really bad cook. SP is evil.
>
> Sky
>
--Bryan

On 12/28/2010 1:16 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 6:04 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
>
>>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
>>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
>>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
>>> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
>>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
>>>
>>
>> Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
>> because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
>> many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
>> and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)
>
> Which I guess is fine, but she's making money off of books and dvds too..
>

I'm just joshing ya... beats the heck out of me why anything is on TV.

ravenlynne wrote:
>
> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head.

We're foodies on RFC. Consider that we don't understand why people go
to McDonalds but there it is the worlds most popular restaurant by a
huge margin. I get the demographics of it and I sympathize better with
her audience than with McDonalds regulars. Maybe that should be I
sympathize less poorly.

> And her bubbly-fakey personality grates.

That's TV for you. The folks like that end up on the news as well.
Shrug.

> And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?

Kwanzaa is an American secular holiday. She's a secular American. Fits
okay for me. It's probably too much to think she likes jazz American
music. That the cake blows, well, she does focus on the boxed stuff ...

On Dec 28, 7:36*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 1:16 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/28/2010 6:04 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
>
> >>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
> >>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
> >>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
> >>> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
> >>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
>
> >> Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
> >> because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
> >> many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
> >> and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)
>
> > Which I guess is fine, but she's making money off of books and dvds too...
>
> I'm just joshing ya... beats the heck out of me why anything is on TV.

There are exactly three things on TV that I'm interested in, none of
which we watch on TV. Mad Men and True Blood, on DVD when they come
out, and South Park on the computer on Fridays. I might watch the
Daily Show if it were on broadcast, and occasionally there's football.

--Bryan

On Dec 28, 7:53*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
head.
>
> We're foodies on RFC. *Consider that we don't understand why people go
> to McDonalds but there it is the worlds most popular restaurant by a
> huge margin. *I get the demographics of it and I sympathize better with
> her audience than with McDonalds regulars. *Maybe that should be I
> sympathize less poorly.
>

I see what you're saying here- and it probably *is* a step in the
right direction to make stuff at home out of boxes and cans instead of
going to McDonald's. But while you're already in the kitchen,
surrounded by tools and all the equipment necessary to make real
food... why not just cook for real?

I don't mean something extravagant and impressive and stuff like some
of these high-end tv chefs might do. But how about a lasagna, a
salad, maybe a stew or some grilled pork chops and mashed potatoes. I
haven't watched the food network but all of maybe 15 hours my whole
life, but it seems like you've got Sandra Lee on one end, and gourmet
chefs on the other end. Not a lot of middle ground. I know a $15
cookbook can teach you these things too, but give the lazy fux a
chance?

But I could be wrong.

-J

On 12/28/2010 4:12 PM, Bryan wrote:
> On Dec 28, 7:36 pm, > wrote:
>> On 12/28/2010 1:16 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/28/2010 6:04 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
>>
>>>>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
>>>>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
>>>>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
>>>>> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
>>>>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
>>
>>>> Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
>>>> because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
>>>> many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
>>>> and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)
>>
>>> Which I guess is fine, but she's making money off of books and dvds too..
>>
>> I'm just joshing ya... beats the heck out of me why anything is on TV.
>
> There are exactly three things on TV that I'm interested in, none of
> which we watch on TV. Mad Men and True Blood, on DVD when they come
> out, and South Park on the computer on Fridays. I might watch the
> Daily Show if it were on broadcast, and occasionally there's football.
>
> --Bryan

You're probably the archetype TV viewer of the future. Once everybody is
connected to everybody else on small handheld devices, there's going to
be less time spent on the idiot box. The major problem, in my awesome
opinion, is that we'll be bombarded with sales pitches at all waking
hours. The end of the free internet is nigh.

On 12/28/2010 8:53 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> ravenlynne wrote:
>>
>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head.
>
> We're foodies on RFC. Consider that we don't understand why people go
> to McDonalds but there it is the worlds most popular restaurant by a
> huge margin. I get the demographics of it and I sympathize better with
> her audience than with McDonalds regulars. Maybe that should be I
> sympathize less poorly.
>
>> And her bubbly-fakey personality grates.
>
> That's TV for you. The folks like that end up on the news as well.
> Shrug.
>
>> And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
>
> Kwanzaa is an American secular holiday. She's a secular American. Fits
> okay for me. It's probably too much to think she likes jazz American
> music. That the cake blows, well, she does focus on the boxed stuff ...

You make good points. I just don't want to like her so I won't lol.

--
Happy Holidays!!!

On 12/28/2010 9:12 PM, Bryan wrote:
> On Dec 28, 7:36 pm, > wrote:
>> On 12/28/2010 1:16 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
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>>>> On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
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>>>>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
>>>>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
>>>>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
>>>>> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
>>>>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
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>>>> Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
>>>> because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
>>>> many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
>>>> and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)
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>>> Which I guess is fine, but she's making money off of books and dvds too..
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>> I'm just joshing ya... beats the heck out of me why anything is on TV.
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> There are exactly three things on TV that I'm interested in, none of
> which we watch on TV. Mad Men and True Blood, on DVD when they come
> out, and South Park on the computer on Fridays. I might watch the
> Daily Show if it were on broadcast, and occasionally there's football.
>
> --Bryan

I'm a true blood devotee. I love Doctor Who. I look forward to "A Song
Of Ice And Fire" and "Camelot" which will be starting this spring on HBO
and Starz, respectively. I like some PBS programming as well...I dvr
masterpiece theatre when it's on and I loved the new Sherlock series
from the BBC. The rest has lately bored me.

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Happy Holidays!!!

On Dec 29, 7:21*am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> On 12/28/2010 9:12 PM, Bryan wrote:
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> >> On 12/28/2010 1:16 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
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> >>> On 12/28/2010 6:04 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> On 12/28/2010 12:51 PM, ravenlynne wrote:
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> >>>>> It's just...I don't get why her crap warrants it's own tv show? We need
> >>>>> a show to tell people how to make horrible food out of unhealthy
> >>>>> packaged stuff? Like a hole in the head. And her bubbly-fakey
> >>>>> personality grates. And fine, whatever, kwanzaa, but why would she even
> >>>>> be celebrating it? How many africans eat angel cake?
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> >>>> Most things on TV ain't golden. Sandra Lee exists on the idiot box
> >>>> because people watch it for whatever reason. My guess is that a great
> >>>> many of them are duct taped to a chair in front of the set which skews,
> >>>> and makes a mockery of the TV rating system! :-)
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> >>> Which I guess is fine, but she's making money off of books and dvds too..
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> >> I'm just joshing ya... beats the heck out of me why anything is on TV.
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> > There are exactly three things on TV that I'm interested in, none of
> > which we watch on TV. *Mad Men and True Blood, on DVD when they come
> > out, and South Park on the computer on Fridays. *I might watch the
> > Daily Show if it were on broadcast, and occasionally there's football.
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> > --Bryan
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> I'm a true blood devotee. *I love Doctor Who. *I look forward to "A Song
> Of Ice And Fire" and "Camelot" which will be starting this spring on HBO
> and Starz, respectively. I like some PBS programming as well...I dvr
> masterpiece theatre when it's on and I loved the new Sherlock series
> from the BBC. *The rest has lately bored me.
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We are in the middle of Season 2 of Mission: Impossible from Netflix.
That's where we get DVDs of TV shows, new and old. Very occasionally,
TVLand might have something like Beverly Hillbillies. Here's another
jewel:
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Th...eries/70107902

I never liked Dr. Who, but Camelot has the potential to be good. If
it is, I'm sure I'll hear about it ad nauseum on Fresh Air, and then
I'll wait for the DVDs.

--Bryan

phaeton wrote:
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> I see what you're saying here- and it probably *is* a step in the
> right direction to make stuff at home out of boxes and cans instead of
> going to McDonald's. But while you're already in the kitchen,
> surrounded by tools and all the equipment necessary to make real
> food... why not just cook for real?

Baby steps? Instead of just opening cans and heating she actually does
stuff with the food. The end result is between the quality of just
opening a can and cooking from scratch.

> I don't mean something extravagant and impressive and stuff like some
> of these high-end tv chefs might do. But how about a lasagna, a
> salad, maybe a stew or some grilled pork chops and mashed potatoes. I
> haven't watched the food network but all of maybe 15 hours my whole
> life, but it seems like you've got Sandra Lee on one end, and gourmet
> chefs on the other end. Not a lot of middle ground. I know a $15
> cookbook can teach you these things too, but give the lazy fux a
> chance?

Rachael Rae asserts that she's a cook not a chef. There's last year's
winner of The Next Food Network Star with her money saving home cooking.
There's Down Home with the Neely's. There are the Deans.

I don't think they fill the entire spectrum but they do sample the range
between opening a can and having a tasting menu at a Michelen Star
place. Add in Create on the public TV channels and The Cooking Channel
and even more of the spectrum is covered.

No one seems to have a show where all that's done is open cans and
boxes. ;^) Not enough entertainment value in it without doing corny
stories, light saber duels in the background, stripping newscasters or
whatever.

On Dec 29, 10:44*am, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> phaeton wrote:
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> > I see what you're saying here- and it probably *is* a step in the
> > right direction to make stuff at home out of boxes and cans instead of
> > going to McDonald's. *But while you're already in the kitchen,
> > surrounded by tools and all the equipment necessary to make real
> > food... * why not just cook for real?
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> Baby steps? *Instead of just opening cans and heating she actually does
> stuff with the food. *The end result is between the quality of just
> opening a can and cooking from scratch.

Bad ingredients mixed together by an incompetent is worse than open
and heat, and far worse than most fast food.
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> > I don't mean something extravagant and impressive and stuff like some
> > of these high-end tv chefs might do. *But how about a lasagna, a
> > salad, maybe a stew or some grilled pork chops and mashed potatoes. *I
> > haven't watched the food network but all of maybe 15 hours my whole
> > life, but it seems like you've got Sandra Lee on one end, and gourmet
> > chefs on the other end. *Not a lot of middle ground. *I know a $15
> > cookbook can teach you these things too, but give the lazy fux a
> > chance?

Most people would benefit. From what I've observed, the majority of
home served meals are worse than fast food chains. Quite a bit
worse. Large chains are scrutinized as far as ingredients go. They
have to make ingredient lists public. The grocery store has a far
higher percentage of garbage ingredients than most fast food
outlets.
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> Rachael Rae asserts that she's a cook not a chef. *

Chef means the head honcho of a kitchen, right? Then there are
assistant "chefs" in large operations, but all chefs are supervisors
as well as being cooks.
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> No one seems to have a show where all that's done is open cans and
> boxes. ;^) *Not enough entertainment value in it without doing corny
> stories, light saber duels in the background, stripping newscasters or
> whatever.

Um, you have stripping newscasters in your market? And I thought I
wasn't missing anything not watching TV news.

--Bryan

On Dec 27, 4:58*pm, ravenlynne > wrote:
> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_la..._lee_kwanzaa_c...
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> Interesting article in the New York Times on Sandra Lee's "offensive"
> kwanzaa cake.
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> I'll keep my opinions on Mrs. Lee to myself at this time for the sake of
> the holiday season.
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> Happy Holidays!!!

Who cares about whether the cake is offensive or not? Everyone knows
that Kwanzaa is a fake, racist holiday.

Bryan wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
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> From what I've observed, the majority of
> home served meals are worse than fast food chains.

Yup. This is something I find bizzare.

>> Rachael Rae asserts that she's a cook not a chef. *
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> Chef means the head honcho of a kitchen, right? Then there are
> assistant "chefs" in large operations, but all chefs are supervisors
> as well as being cooks.

My guess is she defines it in terms of educational preparation or formal
apprenticeships. Like the difference between engineer and technician.

>> No one seems to have a show where all that's done is open cans and
>> boxes. ;^) *Not enough entertainment value in it without doing corny
>> stories, light saber duels in the background, stripping newscasters or
>> whatever.
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> Um, you have stripping newscasters in your market? And I thought I
> wasn't missing anything not watching TV news.

There is/was a Russian news cast whose name translates to The Naked
News. My spoken Russian isn't good enough to follow a newscast. When
the show started the clothed parts were featured on a lot of talk shows.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
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> phaeton wrote:
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> > I see what you're saying here- and it probably *is* a step in the
> > right direction to make stuff at home out of boxes and cans instead of
> > going to McDonald's. But while you're already in the kitchen,
> > surrounded by tools and all the equipment necessary to make real
> > food... why not just cook for real?
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> Baby steps? Instead of just opening cans and heating she actually does
> stuff with the food. The end result is between the quality of just
> opening a can and cooking from scratch.

The problem is that the stuff she does with the food is worse than what
was done to it at the factory that put it in the can to begin with...

Ranée at Arabian Knits > wrote:

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> The thing is, NOBODY is forced to watch her. This is why I don't get
>the ire directed toward her.
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I'm with you there. I've seen about 5 minutes of her.

I went to Foodnetwork.com to see the Kwanzaa cake deal. It is there-
I started it-- I'm not interested-- I went someplace else. It is
that easy.

Either there is no market for that show and it will fail-- or people
will watch and it will succeed. Different strokes, and all that.

Jim

For me, it's all about the tablescapes. WONDERFUL! JK, that show is just silly. I'm waiting for the Hamburger Helper episode; then, mac 'n cheese, then instant potato miracles. First view tells you it's like drinking near beer for those who get into food.

I do not know Ms. Lee, but I work with two of her relatives, as she is from this area (La Crosse, WI). Both these folks could cook her under the table, but they say she is very genuine in real life and likeable. Maybe it is her boobs that won her the show. Perhaps another talent.

Aunt Jamima cake. Good one. I only get mad when she sues cans of things that are easy to make. How much effort is a good apple filling to make?

Gotta like the drinks and tablescapes, though. Sad as the food is, that rack might add some flavor. I don't have boobs, so I just have to wonder.