I watched a bit of Cooking For Real yesterday and Sunny Anderson was
going to prepare a special dish with the help of here "running buddy" .
I have watched the show a few times. She does interesting dishes, seems
comfortable in the kitchen and in front of the camera, She is well
spoken and really good looking...... but a runner???????/ Not with that
ass and those thunder thighs.

On Jan 8, 11:19*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> I watched a bit of Cooking For Real yesterday and Sunny Anderson was
> going to prepare a special dish with the help of here "running buddy" .
> I have watched the show a few times. She does interesting dishes, seems
> comfortable in the kitchen and in front of the camera, She is well
> spoken and really good looking...... but a runner???????/ *Not with that
> ass and those thunder thighs.

You got that right!

On Jan 8, 2:19*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> I watched a bit of Cooking For Real yesterday and Sunny Anderson was
> going to prepare a special dish with the help of here "running buddy" .
> I have watched the show a few times. She does interesting dishes, seems
> comfortable in the kitchen and in front of the camera, She is well
> spoken and really good looking...... but a runner???????/ *Not with that
> ass and those thunder thighs.

Maybe she runs down to the store for a pint of Ben and Jerry's.

On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:19:09 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> I watched a bit of Cooking For Real yesterday and Sunny Anderson was
> going to prepare a special dish with the help of here "running buddy" .
> I have watched the show a few times. She does interesting dishes, seems
> comfortable in the kitchen and in front of the camera, She is well
> spoken and really good looking...... but a runner???????/ Not with that
> ass and those thunder thighs.

She was a lot trimmer when her show started. I bet she still thinks
she'll get back to it when she has more time.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> I watched a bit of Cooking For Real yesterday and Sunny Anderson was
> going to prepare a special dish with the help of here "running buddy" .
> I have watched the show a few times. She does interesting dishes, seems
> comfortable in the kitchen and in front of the camera, She is well
> spoken and really good looking...... but a runner???????/ Not with that
> ass and those thunder thighs.

My daughter played soccer in her younger days. There was a girl on her
team with truly massive thighs. I don't remember about her rear, but
there is a reason why the gluteus maximus are the largest muscles in the
body. This girl had a lot of weight to run around. She was by far the
fastest on the team, and generally made half the goals in the game. She
only made half because she only played offense half the game. The other
half she played goalie, and the other teams seldom scored when she was
the goalkeeper. It's true that she had to ask the coach to pull her out
two or three times during the half she played offense, as after she had
run up and down the field a few times she was exhausted.

Maybe Sunny Anderson doesn't currently have the build to run marathons,
but I don't know of any reason why she couldn't do some running with a
friend.

There has been some disturbing talk on this group about weight and BMIs.
Although I think weight control is important, different people have
different body types, and just looking at BMI doesn't give the whole
picture.

I sometimes wonder what would happen if you looked at BMIs of
professional football players in the US. I'll bet some of them would be
classified as "morbidly obese", even though their weight is muscle
rather than fat. Not that being a professional football player is all
that healthy, but it's injuries rather than fat that are the hazard.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 08/01/2011 4:16 PM, Dan Abel wrote:

> My daughter played soccer in her younger days. There was a girl on her
> team with truly massive thighs. I don't remember about her rear, but
> there is a reason why the gluteus maximus are the largest muscles in the
> body. This girl had a lot of weight to run around. She was by far the
> fastest on the team, and generally made half the goals in the game. She
> only made half because she only played offense half the game. The other
> half she played goalie, and the other teams seldom scored when she was
> the goalkeeper. It's true that she had to ask the coach to pull her out
> two or three times during the half she played offense, as after she had
> run up and down the field a few times she was exhausted.
>
> Maybe Sunny Anderson doesn't currently have the build to run marathons,
> but I don't know of any reason why she couldn't do some running with a
> friend.


Okay. Anything possible. Sonny is a great cooking show host, but I won't
be betting that she is a runner.


>
> There has been some disturbing talk on this group about weight and BMIs.
> Although I think weight control is important, different people have
> different body types, and just looking at BMI doesn't give the whole
> picture.

That part I will agree with. I know that my BMI is deceptively high.





> I sometimes wonder what would happen if you looked at BMIs of
> professional football players in the US. I'll bet some of them would be
> classified as "morbidly obese", even though their weight is muscle
> rather than fat. Not that being a professional football player is all
> that healthy, but it's injuries rather than fat that are the hazard.


It's a safe bet that they would be high. It is commonly accepted that
muscle weighs more than fat, and when you see those large athletes.
Their BMIs would be even higher than guys of similar size but who are
flabby and not muscled.

Dan Abel wrote:

> Maybe Sunny Anderson doesn't currently have the build to run
> marathons, but I don't know of any reason why she couldn't do some
> running with a friend.

I certainly don't think she is lying about it. If she says she has a
running buddy, I take her word for it.

nancy

On Jan 8, 2:19*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> I watched a bit of Cooking For Real yesterday and Sunny Anderson was
> going to prepare a special dish with the help of here "running buddy" .
> I have watched the show a few times. She does interesting dishes, seems
> comfortable in the kitchen and in front of the camera, She is well
> spoken and really good looking...... but a runner???????/ *Not with that
> ass and those thunder thighs.

Maybe in her younger years?

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:52:15 -0600, Andy > wrote:

> If only she didn't non-stop talk so much!!!

Her bosses expect that and she's paid to do it. Haven't you ever
watched "who wants to be the next food network star"? They are graded
on talking to the camera and telling personal stories.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

Goomba wrote:
>
> Sunny Anderson is an attractive, albeit large, woman.

Among the current stars on Food TV Anne Burrel reminds me of what would
happen if my wife were to magically regress 20-25 years then get a
bizzare hair cut. Add Valerie Bertaneli from Hot in Clevland, too.
Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
folks don't like the looks of actual real women.

On 10/01/2011 5:01 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>>
>> Sunny Anderson is an attractive, albeit large, woman.
>
> Among the current stars on Food TV Anne Burrel reminds me of what would
> happen if my wife were to magically regress 20-25 years then get a
> bizzare hair cut. Add Valerie Bertaneli from Hot in Clevland, too.
> Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
> folks don't like the looks of actual real women.

I only doubted that she was a runner.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:04:53 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 10/01/2011 5:01 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>>
>>> Sunny Anderson is an attractive, albeit large, woman.
>>
>> Among the current stars on Food TV Anne Burrel reminds me of what would
>> happen if my wife were to magically regress 20-25 years then get a
>> bizzare hair cut. Add Valerie Bertaneli from Hot in Clevland, too.
>> Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
>> folks don't like the looks of actual real women.
>
>I only doubted that she was a runner.

Nowhere is it stated she's a world class marathoner... and what real
man would want one of those insects.

On 1/10/2011 5:01 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>>
>> Sunny Anderson is an attractive, albeit large, woman.
>
> Among the current stars on Food TV Anne Burrel reminds me of what would
> happen if my wife were to magically regress 20-25 years then get a
> bizzare hair cut. Add Valerie Bertaneli from Hot in Clevland, too.
> Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
> folks don't like the looks of actual real women.

I love Anne Burrell. And, Valerie Bertaneli has a show? Is it on FN?

In article >,
Cheryl > wrote:

> On 1/10/2011 5:01 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > Goomba wrote:
> >>
> >> Sunny Anderson is an attractive, albeit large, woman.
> >
> > Among the current stars on Food TV Anne Burrel reminds me of what would
> > happen if my wife were to magically regress 20-25 years then get a
> > bizzare hair cut. Add Valerie Bertaneli from Hot in Clevland, too.
> > Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
> > folks don't like the looks of actual real women.
>
> I love Anne Burrell. And, Valerie Bertaneli has a show? Is it on FN?

http://www.tvland.com/shows/hot-in-cleveland

Doesn't look like a food show. Note spelling differences if you want to
do your own Google.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 1/10/2011 6:43 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> http://www.tvland.com/shows/hot-in-cleveland
>
> Doesn't look like a food show. Note spelling differences if you want to
> do your own Google.

Thanks! It sure isn't a new show but I've never heard of it. Going to
have to set my DVR for it.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>>
>>> Sunny Anderson is an attractive, albeit large, woman.
>>
>> Among the current stars on Food TV Anne Burrel reminds me of what would
>> happen if my wife were to magically regress 20-25 years then get a
>> bizzare hair cut. Add Valerie Bertaneli from Hot in Clevland, too.
>> Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
>> folks don't like the looks of actual real women.
>
> I only doubted that she was a runner.

And other folks took off with it. Check. She's not a marathoner.
Beyond that I have no idea. Running is very good for preventing weight
gain but not great at causing weight loss.

In article >,
Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:

> >> Yup, I think Sunny Anderson is pleasant to look upon. I don't get why
> >> folks don't like the looks of actual real women.
> >
> > I only doubted that she was a runner.
>
> And other folks took off with it. Check. She's not a marathoner.
> Beyond that I have no idea. Running is very good for preventing weight
> gain but not great at causing weight loss.

There are some reasons to look at weight loss and weight gain. This is
especially true when exercise remains constant. But what I've heard
especially from women, is that the tool to measure the effect of
exercise is the mirror. Take off all your clothes and stand in front of
it. Move your body around and watch. Many women say that they are
thinner, even though the scale doesn't confirm that. That is because
muscle is heavier than fat.

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but morbid obesity means excess
fat. People look at weight because everybody has a scale and can
measure weight. It isn't so easy to measure excess fat.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote:

>Sorry to sound like a broken record, but morbid obesity means excess
>fat. People look at weight because everybody has a scale and can
>measure weight. It isn't so easy to measure excess fat.

Again I will recommend one of the body-fat-measuring scales.
They work very well.

Steve

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> But what I've heard
> especially from women, is that the tool to measure the effect of
> exercise is the mirror. Take off all your clothes and stand in front of
> it. Move your body around and watch. Many women say that they are
> thinner, even though the scale doesn't confirm that. That is because
> muscle is heavier than fat.

I would say the tape measure works better. It's a generalization that's
bound to have very many exceptions but a woman's body image seems to be
the worst very of every detail she's seen in the last 10 years or so.
Women have invisible bruises that have been gone for years, fat spots
long since worked off, you name it. Apply the same generalization to
men and their body image is the last time we saw ourselves in a mirror.
Men wear rumpled pajamas, need a shave and don't have combed hair. Even
at the office, even though we have since gotten dressed and groomed.

> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but morbid obesity means excess
> fat. People look at weight because everybody has a scale and can
> measure weight. It isn't so easy to measure excess fat.

Almost everyone diets to loss size not weight and the method is to lose
fat. The tape measure is objective but not well used. The scale is easy
to use but there's a lot of noise. Error in the scale itself. Water
retention bounce. Contents of the digestive track. Scales are not
accurate to better than about 5 pound ranges.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> >Sorry to sound like a broken record, but morbid obesity means excess
> >fat. People look at weight because everybody has a scale and can
> >measure weight. It isn't so easy to measure excess fat.
>
> Again I will recommend one of the body-fat-measuring scales.
> They work very well.

Thanks for the reminder. I did a quick Google and this was the first
one to come up:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=56830

Do you have something else you recommend reading? I really hadn't
realized that there was anything reliable besides that tank of water
that you get submerged in!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
> >
> > But what I've heard
> > especially from women, is that the tool to measure the effect of
> > exercise is the mirror. Take off all your clothes and stand in front of
> > it. Move your body around and watch. Many women say that they are
> > thinner, even though the scale doesn't confirm that. That is because
> > muscle is heavier than fat.
>
> I would say the tape measure works better. It's a generalization that's
> bound to have very many exceptions but a woman's body image seems to be
> the worst very of every detail she's seen in the last 10 years or so.
> Women have invisible bruises that have been gone for years, fat spots
> long since worked off, you name it. Apply the same generalization to
> men and their body image is the last time we saw ourselves in a mirror.
> Men wear rumpled pajamas, need a shave and don't have combed hair. Even
> at the office, even though we have since gotten dressed and groomed.

There's a lot of truth to what you posted. Especially for people in
denial.

> > Sorry to sound like a broken record, but morbid obesity means excess
> > fat. People look at weight because everybody has a scale and can
> > measure weight. It isn't so easy to measure excess fat.
>
> Almost everyone diets to loss size not weight and the method is to lose
> fat. The tape measure is objective but not well used. The scale is easy
> to use but there's a lot of noise. Error in the scale itself. Water
> retention bounce. Contents of the digestive track. Scales are not
> accurate to better than about 5 pound ranges.

Yes. Not much drives me crazier than people who boast about losing a
half pound since yesterday due to their diet!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote:

> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Again I will recommend one of the body-fat-measuring scales.
>> They work very well.

>Thanks for the reminder. I did a quick Google and this was the first
>one to come up:

>http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=56830
>
>Do you have something else you recommend reading?

Just that Tanita is the market leader and probably the technology
leader in consumer body-fat scales.

Steve

?
"Steve Pope" > wrote
>
> Just that Tanita is the market leader and probably the technology
> leader in consumer body-fat scales.

Hell, I just have to look in the mirror while naked.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>"Steve Pope" > wrote

>> Just that Tanita is the market leader and probably the technology
>> leader in consumer body-fat scales.

>Hell, I just have to look in the mirror while naked.

Sure. For some of us a numerical number is better than eyeballing it.

S.

On 12/01/2011 12:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ?
> "Steve Pope" > wrote
>>
>> Just that Tanita is the market leader and probably the technology
>> leader in consumer body-fat scales.
>
> Hell, I just have to look in the mirror while naked.

Yep. That works for most people. I don't see a lot of value to the
simple BMI calculation because it seems to assume that the extra weight
is all fat, so people who are well muscled will have higher BMI index
figures. It doesn't take rocket science for a person to look in the
fell their muscles and know they are large and toned, or to realize that
all that extra girth is just flab.

Dave Smith > wrote:

>On 12/01/2011 12:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> "Steve Pope" > wrote

>>> Just that Tanita is the market leader and probably the technology
>>> leader in consumer body-fat scales.

>> Hell, I just have to look in the mirror while naked.

>Yep. That works for most people. I don't see a lot of value to the
>simple BMI calculation because it seems to assume that the extra weight
>is all fat, so people who are well muscled will have higher BMI index
>figures.

That's right. BMI is only useful for statistical studies, it
is fairly useless on a per-individual basis.

Weight watchers uses BMI, sort-of -- they will no let you have a goal
of losing more weight if your BMI is too low. It's a blunt instrument,
but they need to do something along these lines, so they use BMI.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>>Yep. That works for most people. I don't see a lot of value to the
>>simple BMI calculation because it seems to assume that the extra weight
>>is all fat, so people who are well muscled will have higher BMI index
>>figures.
>
> That's right. BMI is only useful for statistical studies, it
> is fairly useless on a per-individual basis.

I figure BMI works well most of the time, and when it does not you
should be able to explain clearly why not. Nearly every person for whom
BMI does not work should have no problem going to the gym and
demonstrating something impressive on the weights. If you can't do that
then BMI does work for you.

> Weight watchers uses BMI, sort-of -- they will no let you have a goal
> of losing more weight if your BMI is too low. It's a blunt instrument,
> but they need to do something along these lines, so they use BMI.

That's a great idea. In the days when alt.support.diet.low-carb was a
high traffic group with tons of newbies flowing in it was extremely
common for folks to get frustrated they could no longer lose. In a huge
fraction of the cases it was because they had reached their idle body
weight but had selected a goal 10+ pounds too low. This trend probably
continues on any diet support forum with a lot of new users flowing in.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> >On 12/01/2011 12:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> >> Hell, I just have to look in the mirror while naked.
>
> >Yep. That works for most people. I don't see a lot of value to the
> >simple BMI calculation because it seems to assume that the extra weight
> >is all fat, so people who are well muscled will have higher BMI index
> >figures.
>
> That's right. BMI is only useful for statistical studies, it
> is fairly useless on a per-individual basis.

I disagree. Sometimes you need more than one tool.

> It's a blunt instrument,

Sorry to take your comment out of context, but it illustrates my point.

Say the patient goes to see their doctor. Their weight and height is
checked. Doesn't look good. The doctor checks their body (lungs and
heart). The doctor not only looks at their body, but has a hands on
experience. Doesn't look or feel good as far as obesity goes. The
doctor asks about exercise. Nothing. So the doctor gives a lecture
about obesity and exercise. The patient is in denial. They come back
with the standard reply about a "heavy" body type. So the doctor points
to the chart on the wall and finds their BMI. The chart says there's a
problem.

Now, another patient may come in with the same height and weight, and
there's no lecture and no BMI. The doctor can tell from the items
listed above that there isn't a problem.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

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