Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
>
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> > Cheryl wrote:
> > >
> > > On 1/14/2011 1:54 PM, sf wrote:
> > >
> > > > Not so the last time I looked at whole chickens (which was a couple of
> > > > weeks ago) and I have*never* seen a 7 lb chicken. That's almost the
> > > > size of a small turkey! I'd be tempted to call something so big a
> > > > capon. Are they tender?
> > >
> > > But they are roasters, not fryers.
> >
> > Got a cookbook that calls for a '9 pound' chicken! Have yet to see one
> > that large around here.
>
> If you raise Jersey Giants, that's easy! :-)
>
>

LOL! Think the neighbours would object! Although someone in the next
street over seems to raise 'show' fowl. A couple of them got out one
time. Fortunately the local cats didn't seem to know that...

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:56:24 -0800, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:33:59 -0500, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:42:15 -0800, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:17:47 -0500, blake murphy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> near dupont circle in d.c. for me. the halloween high-heel drag race and
>>>> *** pride parades used to pass within view of my balcony.
>>>
>>> I had no idea you were such a with it and cool dude, Blake! You must
>>> have kick ass Halloween and *** Pride parade day parties.
>>
>> i would just crack open a beer and go out on the balcony and watch. dyke
>> bikers motorcycle club, new york!
>>
>
> Do the sisters of perpetual indulgence ever visit DC?

i haven't seen them, but that doesn't mean much.

once my parents dropped me off at my building after having lunch and two
men dressed as nuns passed by riding on a tandem bicycle. it wasn't part
of a parade or anything, just a saturday afternoon.

your pal,
blake

On Jan 19, 4:50*pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits >
wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> > On Jan 14, 11:55 am, merryb > wrote:
> > > On Jan 14, 10:08 am, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 14, 9:12 am, sf > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:18 -0500, "Dora" > wrote:
> > > > > > I've wondered about that - "whatever happened to 2-1/2 to 3 pound
> > > > > > fryers?". Obvious answer -
> > > > > > McDonald's and all the other fast foods serving fried chicken.
>
> > > > > Raw weight, 2.5-3.0 lb is still common here. 4 pounds is almost
> > > > > unheard of. I'd like to be able to buy bigger chickens without paying
> > > > > a premium, but I guess the market is mainly singles.
>
> > > > Three words:
>
> > > > Foster Farms
>
> > > > Safeway
>
> > > > Last time they were on sale at Safeway, I could find no FF "young
> > > > chickens" less than 7 pounds.
>
> > > > The smallest Rocky is 3.5 lb.
>
> > > I just bought some at Fred Meyer- they were .78 a pound, and averaged
> > > 5-7 lbs ea. I'd rather buy the biggest ones at that price.
>
> > To each his/her own. AFAIAC, large chickens make portion control a
> > mess, as well as screwing up my chicken frying.
>
> > I suppose I could get all Chinese (as brokelyn suggests) and buy a
> > bandsaw to cut up my chicken into fryable sized pieces.
>
> * *I don't think those chickens are intended to be fried. *They are for
> roasting/baking and soup, IMO.

Have people stopped frying chickens? These are the smallest chickens
available, for any purpose.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:05:23 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

> once my parents dropped me off at my building after having lunch and two
> men dressed as nuns passed by riding on a tandem bicycle. it wasn't part
> of a parade or anything, just a saturday afternoon.

Close enough!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 1/19/2011 8:25 PM, Arri London wrote:

> LOL! Think the neighbours would object! Although someone in the next
> street over seems to raise 'show' fowl. A couple of them got out one
> time. Fortunately the local cats didn't seem to know that...

Someone down the street from me has chickens and they used to get out of
the pen all the time. I'd see them all in a group pecking the ground on
the side of the road. Busy road, too! I used to wonder if they were
not-so-bright (nice for stupid) birds and if they'd wander into the
road. I haven't seem them in a while so either they found a way to keep
them penned in, or ... something.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:53:22 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 1/19/2011 8:25 PM, Arri London wrote:
>
> > LOL! Think the neighbours would object! Although someone in the next
> > street over seems to raise 'show' fowl. A couple of them got out one
> > time. Fortunately the local cats didn't seem to know that...
>
> Someone down the street from me has chickens and they used to get out of
> the pen all the time. I'd see them all in a group pecking the ground on
> the side of the road. Busy road, too! I used to wonder if they were
> not-so-bright (nice for stupid) birds and if they'd wander into the
> road. I haven't seem them in a while so either they found a way to keep
> them penned in, or ... something.

I was talking with a friend this afternoon about backyard chickens...
she says that they stay in your own backyard and talked about what she
had observed. I'm talking "city chickens" with *very* small
backyards. I don't believe it, but she claims the chickens she was
familiar with never left their own backyard.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 21 Jan 2011 06:14:59 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>
> Some chickens will stay in the yard, but most will wander if the yard
> isn't fenced a bit higher than their meager ability to get off the
> ground.

Maybe that's it. I need to clarify it the next time I talk to her,
but I thought she said one the situations she was talking about didn't
have fences in between (I could have imagined that). Thanks for
reminding me!

> Chickens and turkeys aren't very bright. In fact, turkeys
> sometimes drown in the rain becvaus they look skyward with their
> beaks open.

I heard/read that too (not the open beak part - but their nostrils are
on their beaks so it's not "that" far off). I also heard/read that
their HUGE chest was the cause of not being able to upright
themselves.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:

>On 21 Jan 2011 06:14:59 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Some chickens will stay in the yard, but most will wander if the yard
>> isn't fenced a bit higher than their meager ability to get off the
>> ground.
>
>Maybe that's it. I need to clarify it the next time I talk to her,
>but I thought she said one the situations she was talking about didn't
>have fences in between (I could have imagined that). Thanks for
>reminding me!
>

Ask her what breed of chickens. Maybe there is a 'homey' one. My
experience is that they'll wander to where the bugs are. But as
Wayne says- they don't fly much and a 2' fence will keep most
corralled.

They've been banned in most of the local municipalities [and suburbs]
because they bother the neighbors.

Jim

In article >,
Jim Elbrecht > wrote:


> They've been banned in most of the local municipalities [and suburbs]
> because they bother the neighbors.

We had this discussion on this group a few months back. Obviously there
isn't one rule that covers the whole world, but the consensus seemed to
be that chickens used to be banned, but are gradually being allowed in
most cities, except for roosters.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:27:23 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> They've been banned in most of the local municipalities [and suburbs]
> because they bother the neighbors.

I don't know about bothering the neighbors (unless a rooster is
involved), but apparently there's a growing popularity with backyard
chickens in the city and there are entire web sites devoted to it. My
local garden supply/nursery (in the city) even sells chicken coops.

http://www.examiner.com/living-green...-san-francisco

The thing about raising chickens is they're a twofer: they'd be
natural composters and I'd get fresh, really, really fresh eggs.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:14:48 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
>
>> They've been banned in most of the local municipalities [and suburbs]
>> because they bother the neighbors.
>
>We had this discussion on this group a few months back. Obviously there
>isn't one rule that covers the whole world, but the consensus seemed to
>be that chickens used to be banned, but are gradually being allowed in
>most cities, except for roosters.

I wasn't sure it was this group- but I remember the conversation. Our
zoning laws ignored them until the past 5-10 years. Then there was
a big influx of Guyanese & along with them their native culture of
keeping fresh chickens and goats.

And now most municipalities have *new* laws forbidding all farm
animals. [The latest case involved some pet chickens that really
were nothing more than pets. They were penned & there were no
roosters-- but the neighbors complained, and the judge said they had
to go.]

This article gives the details. The case is done & the chickens lost-
http://spotlightnews.com/news/view_n..._id=1291413618

If you want fresh chicken in these parts- this store opened a year or
so ago-
http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...eed-545694.php
I don't know if it is still there.

Jim

Cheryl wrote:
>
> On 1/19/2011 8:25 PM, Arri London wrote:
>
> > LOL! Think the neighbours would object! Although someone in the next
> > street over seems to raise 'show' fowl. A couple of them got out one
> > time. Fortunately the local cats didn't seem to know that...
>
> Someone down the street from me has chickens and they used to get out of
> the pen all the time. I'd see them all in a group pecking the ground on
> the side of the road. Busy road, too! I used to wonder if they were
> not-so-bright (nice for stupid) birds and if they'd wander into the
> road. I haven't seem them in a while so either they found a way to keep
> them penned in, or ... something.

Or something indeed These didn't need to cross any streets to get to
our street. Just a walk down their street and around the corner.

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
<snip>
> We currently live in a "county island" within the city limits
> of Mesa, AZ. Chickens and other livestock are allowed here,
> but no one on our street has any. However, someone on the
> next street over has chickens and at least two roosers, as we
> hearing them crowing every morning. They must be
> well-contained as I"ve driven down that street many times and
> have never seen a cicken.

Did you get the keys today? All moved in?

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Sandi, how kind of you to remember! We picked up the keys on the
> 20th and took two car loads of antique items we didn't really want to
> pack.

Wow, I thought you got the keys on the 2nd and were likely all
moved in by now.

> On the 21st we filled a 10' U-Haul with cartons of things we
> didn't want the movers to handle. Today we stayed home, as we had
> some items to give to friends and they were picking them up. We've
> spent tonight packing odds and ends. Tomorrow we will take pictures
> and paintings and all the electronics that we didn't want the mothers
> to handle.

No need to call them names, now. Hee.

> On Monday, the movers will move all the remaining cartons
> and the furniture. The the old place will be empty and we'll be
> totally in the new place. Whew! We're really getting too old for
> this kind of nonsense. :-)

That's hard work. Last time I moved someone, it was one of my
brothers and luckily I was injured! All I could do was help pack.
I couldn't have lifted half those boxes anyway.

> Having said all that, we still have one
> more move to make. The large three bedroom unit we wanted wasn't
> availble, so we took a smaller unit. When the larger one becomes
> available, we'll move into that unit. We don't really know how long
> that will be. The best thing about this move is that it's putting us
> exactly where we want to be, and only five minutes from home to work.

Very cool. If you don't mind my asking, what did you do, sell your
old place?

nancy

On 1/22/2011 11:32 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

> That's hard work. Last time I moved someone, it was one of my
> brothers and luckily I was injured! All I could do was help pack.
> I couldn't have lifted half those boxes anyway.

Moving just sucks! I've had to help my sister 2 times in the last couple
of years and I just can't handle the carrying of stuff anymore. I'm
staying put, my brother is probably staying put, and I hope my sister
will stay put. My mom, though, might think about moving out of the
house now that she's alone. It will be hard for her.

Wayne wrote:

> Tomorrow we will take pictures and paintings and all the electronics that
> we didn't want the mothers to handle.

Heh...

Bob

Cheryl wrote:
> On 1/22/2011 11:32 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> That's hard work. Last time I moved someone, it was one of my
>> brothers and luckily I was injured! All I could do was help pack.
>> I couldn't have lifted half those boxes anyway.
>
> Moving just sucks! I've had to help my sister 2 times in the last
> couple of years and I just can't handle the carrying of stuff
> anymore. I'm staying put, my brother is probably staying put, and I
> hope my sister will stay put. My mom, though, might think about
> moving out of the house now that she's alone. It will be hard for
> her.

Oh, that should be fun. Ugh. It might be worth hiring some guys
to do the move. I can pick up enough pounds but the boxes are
so unweildy I would break my neck taking them down stairs. Then
there's the furniture? I'm too old for this stuff anymore.

nancy

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 09:32:23p, Nancy Young told us...

>> Wow, I thought you got the keys on the 2nd and were likely all
>> moved in by now.
>
> I wish! It would all be over by now and I could be in the pool. :-)

(laugh) that's just mean, it was 17 last time I checked the
thermometer.

>> Very cool. If you don't mind my asking, what did you do, sell
>> your old place?
>
> We did a short sale just get get out.

I'm glad you are getting out. It doesn't sound like it was what
you were hoping for.

nancy

On 1/23/2011 12:36 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 09:32:23p, Nancy Young told us...
>
>>> Wow, I thought you got the keys on the 2nd and were likely all
>>> moved in by now.
>>
>> I wish! It would all be over by now and I could be in the pool. :-)
>
> (laugh) that's just mean, it was 17 last time I checked the
> thermometer.

15 here on the weatherbug. It's been a cold cold winter.

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Sat 22 Jan 2011 10:36:12p, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
-snip-
>>> I wish! It would all be over by now and I could be in the pool.
>>> :-)
>>
>> (laugh) that's just mean, it was 17 last time I checked the
>> thermometer.
>
>It gets worse. :-) It's 58 out right now at almost 11 p.m. Today's
>high was 74. The pool is maintained at 85 during the winter. The
>adjacent spa is maintained at 110-115 during the winter.

What kind of spa? Steam? Dry? We cal hottubs spas here & I thought
for a minute that was what you meant. 115 would cook you though.<g>
I like 101 through the winter. [+4F this AM- should be -10 tomorrow
AM] My mind says it likes 100 in the summer, but I don't think my
body can really tell the diff.

-snip-
>
>I haven't lived in an apartment since 1972, but this place is
>amazing. It's in Old Phoenix buried in a 17 acre plot of woods
>adjacent to the Phoenix Country Club. Winding brick footpaths run
>throughout the property. The landscaping is almost overwhelming,
>with thickets of vines overhead, flowering trees, citrus trees, and
>shrubs everywhere, as well as huge sheltering trees. There are
>ancient looking fountains at every turn, and the patios are very
>large and very private, enclosed by six foot stucco walls. Ours has
>a sour orange tree on it (I see marmalade coming our way), and
>surrounded by flowering shrubs and flowering groundcover. Well, I
>haven't been able to restrain myself, but I'll stop here... :-)

Congrats on the new digs. That sounds fantastic! 6 months
from now you'll be wondering how in hell you ever did that commute.

Jim

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 10:36:12p, Nancy Young told us...

>> I'm glad you are getting out. It doesn't sound like it was what
>> you were hoping for.
>
> Thanks, Nancy. This house and neighborhood of the last four years
> has proven to be a nightmare. That, combined with the lengthy
> commute was just too much. Our new place is 1.2 miles from my office
> and 5.2 miles from David's office.

That's huge.

> I haven't lived in an apartment since 1972, but this place is
> amazing. It's in Old Phoenix buried in a 17 acre plot of woods
> adjacent to the Phoenix Country Club. Winding brick footpaths run
> throughout the property. The landscaping is almost overwhelming,
> with thickets of vines overhead, flowering trees, citrus trees, and
> shrubs everywhere, as well as huge sheltering trees. There are
> ancient looking fountains at every turn, and the patios are very
> large and very private, enclosed by six foot stucco walls. Ours has
> a sour orange tree on it (I see marmalade coming our way), and
> surrounded by flowering shrubs and flowering groundcover. Well, I
> haven't been able to restrain myself, but I'll stop here... :-)

It really sounds like a dream come true. I mean, all that and you
have a private patio. I'm glad you are making the move.

nancy

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
. 190.71:

> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 02:58:16p, sandi told us...
<snip>

>> Did you get the keys today? All moved in?

>
> Sandi, how kind of you to remember! We picked up the keys on
> the 20th and took two car loads of antique items we didn't
> really want to pack. On the 21st we filled a 10' U-Haul with
> cartons of things we didn't want the movers to handle. Today
> we stayed home, as we had some items to give to friends and
> they were picking them up. We've spent tonight packing odds
> and ends. Tomorrow we will take pictures and paintings and
> all the electronics that we didn't want the mothers to handle.
> On Monday, the movers will move all the remaining cartons and
> the furniture. The the old place will be empty and we'll be
> totally in the new place.

How exciting!

>Whew! We're really getting too old
> for this kind of nonsense. :-)

LOL. I can understand. I am looking forward to 'cleaning house'
and a move but not so much all the WORK! (Too many years and years
of accumulation.)

> Having said all that, we still
> have one more move to make. The large three bedroom unit we
> wanted wasn't availble, so we took a smaller unit. When the
> larger one becomes available, we'll move into that unit. We
> don't really know how long that will be. The best thing about
> this move is that it's putting us exactly where we want to be,
> and only five minutes from home to work.

That is wonderful. I am VERY happy for you.
>
> How is your search going? Has your realtor found some other
> places for you to see?

Not too well. I am now looking for a buyers agent. The agent I
was using would barely reply to me. Just because I was out of state
and not buying a million dollar property probably put me at the
bottom of her list of people to reply to.

> With all of the short sales and
> foreclosures going on here, there's a huge inventory of houses
> to choose from. Do you have a time frame when you would like
> to arrive in Phoenix?

If the new buyers agent seems responsive I will probably fly out in
February to look around. I was going to drive down over the New
Year holidays but the snow storms came and since I would be
traveling alone, I thought better about driving down.
>
> I'll post some pictures somewhere after we get settled and
> catch our breath.

I'm so excited for you! Now the fun part starts... setting up
house!

Congratulations!

Can hardly wait to see the pictures!!

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
<snip>
> I haven't lived in an apartment since 1972, but this place is
> amazing. It's in Old Phoenix buried in a 17 acre plot of
> woods adjacent to the Phoenix Country Club. Winding brick
> footpaths run throughout the property. The landscaping is
> almost overwhelming, with thickets of vines overhead,
> flowering trees, citrus trees, and shrubs everywhere, as well
> as huge sheltering trees. There are ancient looking fountains
> at every turn, and the patios are very large and very private,
> enclosed by six foot stucco walls. Ours has a sour orange
> tree on it (I see marmalade coming our way), and surrounded by
> flowering shrubs and flowering groundcover. Well, I haven't
> been able to restrain myself, but I'll stop here... :-)

You are in heaven!!!!!!

On 23 Jan 2011 14:16:51 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

> On Sun 23 Jan 2011 06:28:12a, Nancy Young told us...
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 10:36:12p, Nancy Young told us...
> >
> >>> I'm glad you are getting out. It doesn't sound like it was what
> >>> you were hoping for.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Nancy. This house and neighborhood of the last four
> >> years has proven to be a nightmare. That, combined with the
> >> lengthy commute was just too much. Our new place is 1.2 miles
> >> from my office and 5.2 miles from David's office.
> >
> > That's huge.
>
> Yes, on average it will be about 1/40th the distance for me.
>
Sounds like you'll be able to add walking (between work and home) to
your diet plan and not even feel the pain! Well maybe not summer
walking, but other times of the year shouldn't be too bad.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Jim Elbrecht > wrote:

>Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>>I haven't lived in an apartment since 1972, but this place is
>>amazing. It's in Old Phoenix buried in a 17 acre plot of woods
>>adjacent to the Phoenix Country Club. Winding brick footpaths run
>>throughout the property. The landscaping is almost overwhelming,
>>with thickets of vines overhead, flowering trees, citrus trees, and
>>shrubs everywhere, as well as huge sheltering trees. There are
>>ancient looking fountains at every turn, and the patios are very
>>large and very private, enclosed by six foot stucco walls. Ours has
>>a sour orange tree on it (I see marmalade coming our way), and
>>surrounded by flowering shrubs and flowering groundcover. Well, I
>>haven't been able to restrain myself, but I'll stop here... :-)

>Congrats on the new digs. That sounds fantastic! 6 months
>from now you'll be wondering how in hell you ever did that commute.

Congratulations as well. It is no small feat to figure out commutes
that short in as poorly-planned a city as Phoenix.

Steve

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 10:36:12p, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sat 22 Jan 2011 09:32:23p, Nancy Young told us...
>>>> Wow, I thought you got the keys on the 2nd and were likely all
>>>> moved in by now.
>>> I wish! It would all be over by now and I could be in the pool.
>>> :-)
>> (laugh) that's just mean, it was 17 last time I checked the
>> thermometer.
>
> It gets worse. :-) It's 58 out right now at almost 11 p.m. Today's
> high was 74. The pool is maintained at 85 during the winter. The
> adjacent spa is maintained at 110-115 during the winter.
>
>>>> Very cool. If you don't mind my asking, what did you do, sell
>>>> your old place?
>>> We did a short sale just get get out.
>> I'm glad you are getting out. It doesn't sound like it was what
>> you were hoping for.
>
> Thanks, Nancy. This house and neighborhood of the last four years
> has proven to be a nightmare.

How so?

That, combined with the lengthy
> commute was just too much. Our new place is 1.2 miles from my office
> and 5.2 miles from David's office.
>
> I haven't lived in an apartment since 1972, but this place is
> amazing. It's in Old Phoenix buried in a 17 acre plot of woods
> adjacent to the Phoenix Country Club. Winding brick footpaths run
> throughout the property. The landscaping is almost overwhelming,
> with thickets of vines overhead, flowering trees, citrus trees, and
> shrubs everywhere, as well as huge sheltering trees. There are
> ancient looking fountains at every turn, and the patios are very
> large and very private, enclosed by six foot stucco walls. Ours has
> a sour orange tree on it (I see marmalade coming our way), and
> surrounded by flowering shrubs and flowering groundcover. Well, I
> haven't been able to restrain myself, but I'll stop here... :-)
>

Oh, gee. Such a thing would probably sway ME too. That sounds
just wonderful!

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:27:41 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Oh, gee. Such a thing would probably sway ME too. That sounds
> just wonderful!

I *know*. He's got me sold too.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> It really is nice, but we have a lot of settling in to do. At least
> we are fully moved in now and can concentrate on working around home.
>
Congratulations, Wayne! This sounds like such a winner.

--
Jean B.