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On 2011-01-17, Dan Abel > wrote:
> Just let it be. That's enough detail for most people. Apparently not enough detail for the creators of Facebook, who are now going to allow apps makers ....read marketing ppl..... even MORE access to your privacy, if there is such a thing on Facebook. http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/17/tech...ebook_privacy/ It's Creeping Meatballism all over again. Wait till they reverse it so it's up to you to opt out, if you have a "clue", another commodity seemingly in short supply on Facebook. nb |
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notbob > wrote: > On 2011-01-17, Dan Abel > wrote: > > > Just let it be. That's enough detail for most people. > > Apparently not enough detail for the creators of Facebook, who are now > going to allow apps makers ....read marketing ppl..... even MORE > access to your privacy, if there is such a thing on Facebook. > > http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/17/tech...ebook_privacy/ > > It's Creeping Meatballism all over again. Wait till they reverse it > so it's up to you to opt out, if you have a "clue", another commodity > seemingly in short supply on Facebook. Although I like using FB, I'm not happy with some things. Back when they got the bright idea of making you only list things on your profile that they could link to a web page, I just deleted almost everything that I had there. The only interest I have left is: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...of-interests-w hich-I-used-to-list-here-but-Facebook-deleted-them-and-I-cant-put-them-ba ck-because-Facebook-will-make-me-link-to-some-bogus-community-page-that-h as-nothing-to-do-with-me I refuse to use any "apps" on FB. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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![]() "notbob" > wrote in message ... > On 2011-01-17, Dan Abel > wrote: > >> Just let it be. That's enough detail for most people. > > Apparently not enough detail for the creators of Facebook, who are now > going to allow apps makers ....read marketing ppl..... even MORE > access to your privacy, if there is such a thing on Facebook. > > http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/17/tech...ebook_privacy/ > > It's Creeping Meatballism all over again. Wait till they reverse it > so it's up to you to opt out, if you have a "clue", another commodity > seemingly in short supply on Facebook. > People freely and willingly put more information about themselves on Facebook than an identity thief could ever dream of but they refuse to send in an anonymous mailer about how many people live in their house, to the US Census Bureau. Just because it was built by a kid who wears sandals and T-shirts does not mean your data is not being used in a million ways to make money by those who do not have your interests at heart. I am not even on Facebook yet they get me. Recently I did a Google search on the prices of 1980s vintage French wines since I was curious about something an online poster claimed. Sure enough, I am now receiving in my snail mail, fliers and price lists from specialty online wine shops. To my HOME address and all from ONE Google search. That's how Google became a 60 billion dollar company. Facebook is not far behind. Paul |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:05:57 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> There is no privacy whatsoever on the Internet. Google caught some real > heat last year when it was revealed that they were partners with the Chinese > government and were supplying the tracking information to crack down on > political dissenters. > > Paul um, what? i would like a cite, please. google's relationship with china has always been rocky: <http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=yhs-avg&type=yahoo_avg_hs2-tb-web_us&p=Google%20partners%20with%20the%20Chinese% 20government> <http://tinyurl.com/6gqcbaf> your contention sounds like bullshit to me. your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:42:57 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote: > Andy Rooney once showed how you can profile a person by just looking at > their car in a parking lot. It was pretty eye opening. Do you have a link to that? I tried to find it, but my search terms didn't do it. -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:29:05 -0500, "BigBadBubbas"
> wrote: > Why did you put your HOME address in that Google search? You had to have > provided it somewhere. > If you own your own home, it's all public record. -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > That is one way Google makes such vast sums of money. What they sell is not > only highly targeted but it is extremely relevant. If you buy a list from > Google, you know you have a highly targeted and very likely audience. > > There is no privacy whatsoever on the Internet. Google caught some real > heat last year when it was revealed that they were partners with the Chinese > government and were supplying the tracking information to crack down on > political dissenters. I was dumbfounded when I read this article last year: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BUR91GBGK0.DT L In these times of pay cuts and layoffs, Google is paying: "Chief Financial Officer Patrick Pichette. Pichette and Nikesh Arora, head of global sales, will each be paid $20 million in equity awards" "It's also raising performance bonuses for executives to 250 percent of base salary from 150 percent" And those are just the bonuses! -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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On 2011-01-18, Dan Abel > wrote:
> > I was dumbfounded when I read this article last year: You wanna be dumbfounded? Howzabout hurt-somebody mad! You should see the pay, bonuses, severance pkgs, given to the CEOs of the companies that imploded/failed during any one of the crisis we've witnessed in the last 15 yrs. We're talking, in some cases, hundreds of millions!.... EACH!!! (person, not crisis) On 2nd thought, don't look. It'll make you cry. nb |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:38:40 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
> I was dumbfounded when I read this article last year: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BUR91GBGK0.DT > L > > > In these times of pay cuts and layoffs, Google is paying: Unlike other companies, Google is doing well. > > "Chief Financial Officer Patrick Pichette. > > Pichette and Nikesh Arora, head of global sales, will each be paid $20 > million in equity awards" Hello! SALES? They are the money earning side of Google. > > "It's also raising performance bonuses for executives to 250 percent of > base salary from 150 percent" > > And those are just the bonuses! It also says "Google is raising compensation as it faces more competition for talent from rival Internet companies." Google had to raise salaries and bonuses to keep their employees from going elsewhere and making a lot more money right out of the starting gate. Their choice was to retain or train.... and they decided to retain. -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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![]() "blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:05:57 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote: > >> There is no privacy whatsoever on the Internet. Google caught some real >> heat last year when it was revealed that they were partners with the >> Chinese >> government and were supplying the tracking information to crack down on >> political dissenters. >> >> Paul > > um, what? i would like a cite, please. google's relationship with china > has always been rocky: > > <http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=yhs-avg&type=yahoo_avg_hs2-tb-web_us&p=Google%20partners%20with%20the%20Chinese% 20government> > > <http://tinyurl.com/6gqcbaf> > > your contention sounds like bullshit to me. When one lives, eats, breathes and sleeps in BS everything looks like BS. It was on the news, hell even Fox carried it. Google supplied detailed informatgion the the government about who was conducting searches using "banned" words. Google denied the relationship and then fessed up under pressure. Paul |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:07:33 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> In article >, > says... > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:42:57 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" > > > wrote: > > > > > Andy Rooney once showed how you can profile a person by just looking at > > > their car in a parking lot. It was pretty eye opening. > > > > Do you have a link to that? I tried to find it, but my search terms > > didn't do it. > > Do you mean this? > > http://www.citypaper.ee/paper/articles/4281/ > It's not Andy Rooney, but I bet it's close enough. Thanks! -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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On 18 Jan 2011 19:48:33 GMT, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-01-18, Dan Abel > wrote: >> >> I was dumbfounded when I read this article last year: > > You wanna be dumbfounded? Howzabout hurt-somebody mad! > > You should see the pay, bonuses, severance pkgs, given to the CEOs of > the companies that imploded/failed during any one of the crisis we've > witnessed in the last 15 yrs. We're talking, in some cases, hundreds > of millions!.... EACH!!! (person, not crisis) > > On 2nd thought, don't look. It'll make you cry. > > nb what does imploded/failed have to do with google? your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:38:40 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >, > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote: > >> That is one way Google makes such vast sums of money. What they sell is not >> only highly targeted but it is extremely relevant. If you buy a list from >> Google, you know you have a highly targeted and very likely audience. >> >> There is no privacy whatsoever on the Internet. Google caught some real >> heat last year when it was revealed that they were partners with the Chinese >> government and were supplying the tracking information to crack down on >> political dissenters. > > I was dumbfounded when I read this article last year: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BUR91GBGK0.DT > L > > In these times of pay cuts and layoffs, Google is paying: > > "Chief Financial Officer Patrick Pichette. > > Pichette and Nikesh Arora, head of global sales, will each be paid $20 > million in equity awards" > > "It's also raising performance bonuses for executives to 250 percent of > base salary from 150 percent" > > And those are just the bonuses! google's making tons of money. why should not the executies be rewarded for that? your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:37:03 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message > ... >> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:05:57 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote: >> >>> There is no privacy whatsoever on the Internet. Google caught some real >>> heat last year when it was revealed that they were partners with the >>> Chinese >>> government and were supplying the tracking information to crack down on >>> political dissenters. >>> >>> Paul >> >> um, what? i would like a cite, please. google's relationship with china >> has always been rocky: >> >> <http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=yhs-avg&type=yahoo_avg_hs2-tb-web_us&p=Google%20partners%20with%20the%20Chinese% 20government> >> >> <http://tinyurl.com/6gqcbaf> >> >> your contention sounds like bullshit to me. > > When one lives, eats, breathes and sleeps in BS everything looks like BS. > It was on the news, hell even Fox carried it. Google supplied detailed > informatgion the the government about who was conducting searches using > "banned" words. Google denied the relationship and then fessed up under > pressure. > > Paul then it should be easy to provide a cite, eh? i googled [google chinese dissents] and turned up a few cites. here are paragraphs from the first three: A Chinese scholar who - challenged the communist government by setting up a democratic opposition party - has vowed to sue US internet company Google for excising his name from its local search results. * When content filtering targets a race of people for purely political reasons, and an American company provides the technology to enable that filtering, then it's time to shame the enablers. To date, Google has been criticized solely for providing China with the means to censor the Internet. But a tragic consequence of Google's collaboration -- and one that has been entirely overlooked -- is its contribution to the cultural genocide of the Tibetan people. * Google moved quickly to announce that it would stop censoring its Chinese *service after realising dissidents were at risk from attempts to use the company's technology for political *surveillance, according to a source with direct *knowledge of the internet giant's most senior management. ...sorry, that doesn't sound like google was 'supplying the tracking information to crack down on political dissenters. and if it was a story on fox news it was most likely that - a story like a fairy tale. your pal, blake |
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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> I invested in Google eons ago when they first took over Dejanews. I am > most decidedly enjoying the dividends I get from Google every quarter. I > have also invested in FB. Google estimates it will be hiring 150,000 > people in 2011. And they are rated as one of the top employers in the > U.S. FB is still undergoing growing pains but I suspect they will be very > close to Google, if not larger, in size this year. How did you invest in Facebook? Do you get any fun stuff from Google as a stockholder? |
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Goomba wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote: > >> I invested in Google eons ago when they first took over Dejanews. I am >> most decidedly enjoying the dividends I get from Google every >> quarter. I have also invested in FB. Google estimates it will be >> hiring 150,000 people in 2011. And they are rated as one of the top >> employers in the U.S. FB is still undergoing growing pains but I >> suspect they will be very close to Google, if not larger, in size this >> year. > > How did you invest in Facebook? > > Do you get any fun stuff from Google as a stockholder? oops... hit send too soon. I bet Google's stockholder meetings are a blast. |
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"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
-snip- >I invested in Google eons ago when they first took over Dejanews. Neat trick. Google took over Deja News in 2001- They went public 3 years later. >I am >most decidedly enjoying the dividends I get from Google every quarter. Really? Which Google stock do you own? > I have also invested in FB. How did you manage to do that? An IPO for Facebook is probably years down the road. Jim |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:47:57 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote: > Goomba > : in > rec.food.cooking > > > > > Do you get any fun stuff from Google as a stockholder? > > Not really Goomba. What do you mean by fun? I get about the same amount > of stuff from them that I do other investments. Maybe she's talking about merchandise that has "Google" written on it. http://www.googlestore.com/default.aspx -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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![]() "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message ... > sf > : in > rec.food.cooking > >> >> Google had to raise salaries and bonuses to keep their employees from >> going elsewhere and making a lot more money right out of the starting >> gate. Their choice was to retain or train.... and they decided to >> retain. > > I invested in Google eons ago when they first took over Dejanews. I am > most decidedly enjoying the dividends I get from Google every quarter. I > have also invested in FB. Google estimates it will be hiring 150,000 > people in 2011. And they are rated as one of the top employers in the > U.S. FB is still undergoing growing pains but I suspect they will be very > close to Google, if not larger, in size this year. > > I use FB on a daily basis. I only scan my groups on Usenet about once a > week. Not much has changed on Usenet since the early 1990s. I guess it > depends on how much time one has and if one wants to deal with all the > bullshit on Usenet. The character assasinations, Net Nannies, troll > feeding, flame wars etc. can be very annoying. > > I enjoy the chatty feel of FB but there are also a lot of Usenet people > on FB. We post our recipes, blog links, recipes etc., but we also post > about our interests and lives. There are pros and cons to both Usenet and > FB. I don't have time for both so I spend the majority of my online time > on FB. It is also very easy to block someone on FB. I do have security > concerns on FB so I stay on top of those issues. > > Michael > Personally I miss seeing you here. I tried to give Facebook a chance but hated it. Hated the chat interface, didn't like much of anything I saw there. No real discussion I could ascertain. And people I don't know kept trying to "friend" me. Why, because we're six separations apart a la Kevin Bacon?! Oh well, we still have email ![]() Jill |
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On 1/21/2011 9:05 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 21 Jan 2011 03:59:37a, jmcquown told us... > >> >> "Michael > wrote in message >> ... >>> > >>> : in >>> rec.food.cooking >>> >>>> >>>> Google had to raise salaries and bonuses to keep their employees >>>> from going elsewhere and making a lot more money right out of >>>> the starting gate. Their choice was to retain or train.... and >>>> they decided to retain. >>> >>> I invested in Google eons ago when they first took over Dejanews. >>> I am most decidedly enjoying the dividends I get from Google >>> every quarter. I have also invested in FB. Google estimates it >>> will be hiring 150,000 people in 2011. And they are rated as one >>> of the top employers in the U.S. FB is still undergoing growing >>> pains but I suspect they will be very close to Google, if not >>> larger, in size this year. >>> >>> I use FB on a daily basis. I only scan my groups on Usenet about >>> once a week. Not much has changed on Usenet since the early >>> 1990s. I guess it depends on how much time one has and if one >>> wants to deal with all the bullshit on Usenet. The character >>> assasinations, Net Nannies, troll feeding, flame wars etc. can be >>> very annoying. >>> >>> I enjoy the chatty feel of FB but there are also a lot of Usenet >>> people on FB. We post our recipes, blog links, recipes etc., but >>> we also post about our interests and lives. There are pros and >>> cons to both Usenet and FB. I don't have time for both so I >>> spend the majority of my online time on FB. It is also very easy >>> to block someone on FB. I do have security concerns on FB so I >>> stay on top of those issues. >>> >>> Michael >>> >> >> Personally I miss seeing you here. I tried to give Facebook a >> chance but hated it. Hated the chat interface, didn't like much >> of anything I saw there. No real discussion I could ascertain. >> And people I don't know kept trying to "friend" me. Why, because >> we're six separations apart a la Kevin Bacon?! Oh well, we still >> have email ![]() >> >> Jill >> >> > > I miss seeing Michael here, too. And, although I am on FB, I don't > really "do" FB. > My complaint about FB is that many people think I am just waiting with bated breath to be their "friend." I'm not on FB, don't want to be on FB and don't want to be "friends" with people I have never met nor known. I'm beginning to think some folks on FB are harvesting email addresses from their friends and from UseNet. I received fifteen friend request this week alone. Finally traced it down to one of my wife's first cousins who fails to BCC anyone he sends emails to. Evidently his many friends have harvested my email addy. Now I've got to get him to either Bcc addresses or take me off his mailing list, PITA. |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:22:44 -0600, George Shirley
> wrote: > Now I've got to get him to either Bcc addresses or take me off his mailing list, PITA. Every crowd has a clueless one like that and it always seems to be a close relative. <sigh> -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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George Shirley > wrote: > My complaint about FB is that many people think I am just waiting with > bated breath to be their "friend." I'm not on FB, don't want to be on FB > and don't want to be "friends" with people I have never met nor known. > I'm beginning to think some folks on FB are harvesting email addresses > from their friends and from UseNet. I received fifteen friend request > this week alone. Finally traced it down to one of my wife's first > cousins who fails to BCC anyone he sends emails to. Evidently his many > friends have harvested my email addy. Now I've got to get him to either > Bcc addresses or take me off his mailing list, PITA. Be aware that there are friend requests and friend "suggestions". FB just wants to harvest as many Email addresses as they can, so they will keep pumping these "suggestions" to you. If somebody becomes inactive on FB, then FB will start generating repeat "suggestions" to everybody to "friend" them, so they'll come back. Several times a week, FB prompts me to use their "friend finder" to send friend requests to every single person in some piece of software on my computer. The first, of course, is my Email client. Not understanding, I agreed the first time, and it failed because my Email client is not very standard. Yesterday it tried FOUR TIMES, first my Email, then the Mac address book, then IM and then something else. I had to delete it four times before it went away. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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Michael \"Dog3\" > wrote:
>George Shirley > news:4d39a4c9$0$9963 >> My complaint about FB is that many people think I am just waiting with >> bated breath to be their "friend." I'm not on FB, don't want to be on FB >> and don't want to be "friends" with people I have never met nor known. >> I'm beginning to think some folks on FB are harvesting email addresses >> from their friends and from UseNet. I received fifteen friend request >> this week alone. Finally traced it down to one of my wife's first >> cousins who fails to BCC anyone he sends emails to. Evidently his many >> friends have harvested my email addy. Now I've got to get him to either >> Bcc addresses or take me off his mailing list, PITA. >Answering this better late than never I guess. I've never had a problem >with people harvesting my email addy. But then I've only got a couple >hundred friends and do not "friend" people I don't know. My security >settings are pretty tight as far as I can tell. So far, I've not had a >problem with FB. Not saying I won't but so far so good. It's been a regular feature of Facebook for a couple years that a FB user can input any sort of address-book or list of email addresses into it that they like, and all the recipients receive an email join request. It's just another form of spam, I do not treat such an email as I would a personal request, even if it's from someone I know. Steve |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> It's been a regular feature of Facebook for a couple years that a FB > user can input any sort of address-book or list of email addresses > into it that they like, and all the recipients receive an email > join request. It's just another form of spam, I do not treat such > an email as I would a personal request, even if it's from someone > I know. That's my big suspicion, I no sooner signed up when I got friend requests from people on rfc that I don't think were just sitting there waiting for me to join. Still when I get friend requests I wonder if that person did ask me or if Facebook sent it as I'm a "friend" of their "friend." I never did ask anyone if they actually wished me to friend them. Heh. I'll be crushed when they say No, I didn't ask for you! nancy |
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On Jan 21, 10:38*am, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >, > *George Shirley > wrote: > > > My complaint about FB is that many people think I am just waiting with > > bated breath to be their "friend." I'm not on FB, don't want to be on FB > > and don't want to be "friends" with people I have never met nor known. > > I'm beginning to think some folks on FB are harvesting email addresses > > from their friends and from UseNet. I received fifteen friend request > > this week alone. Finally traced it down to one of my wife's first > > cousins who fails to BCC anyone he sends emails to. Evidently his many > > friends have harvested my email addy. Now I've got to get him to either > > Bcc addresses or take me off his mailing list, PITA. > > Be aware that there are friend requests and friend "suggestions". *FB > just wants to harvest as many Email addresses as they can, so they will > keep pumping these "suggestions" to you. *If somebody becomes inactive > on FB, then FB will start generating repeat "suggestions" to everybody > to "friend" them, so they'll come back. *Several times a week, FB > prompts me to use their "friend finder" to send friend requests to every > single person in some piece of software on my computer. *The first, of > course, is my Email client. *Not understanding, I agreed the first time, > and it failed because my Email client is not very standard. *Yesterday > it tried FOUR TIMES, first my Email, then the Mac address book, then IM > and then something else. *I had to delete it four times before it went > away. You take the time to delete that? I just ignore it. |
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On Feb 9, 9:01*am, projectile vomit chick
> wrote: > On Jan 21, 10:38*am, Dan Abel > wrote: > > > > > In article >, > > *George Shirley > wrote: > > > > My complaint about FB is that many people think I am just waiting with > > > bated breath to be their "friend." I'm not on FB, don't want to be on FB > > > and don't want to be "friends" with people I have never met nor known.. > > > I'm beginning to think some folks on FB are harvesting email addresses > > > from their friends and from UseNet. I received fifteen friend request > > > this week alone. Finally traced it down to one of my wife's first > > > cousins who fails to BCC anyone he sends emails to. Evidently his many > > > friends have harvested my email addy. Now I've got to get him to either > > > Bcc addresses or take me off his mailing list, PITA. > > > Be aware that there are friend requests and friend "suggestions". *FB > > just wants to harvest as many Email addresses as they can, so they will > > keep pumping these "suggestions" to you. *If somebody becomes inactive > > on FB, then FB will start generating repeat "suggestions" to everybody > > to "friend" them, so they'll come back. *Several times a week, FB > > prompts me to use their "friend finder" to send friend requests to every > > single person in some piece of software on my computer. *The first, of > > course, is my Email client. *Not understanding, I agreed the first time, > > and it failed because my Email client is not very standard. *Yesterday > > it tried FOUR TIMES, first my Email, then the Mac address book, then IM > > and then something else. *I had to delete it four times before it went > > away. > > You take the time to delete that? *I just ignore it. Sorta like what we do here with you. |
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