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"Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
spray all around the house."

http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/
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> "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> spray all around the house."


<snip>

I haven't bought any cooking spray for years. I can't see why I would need
it.


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On Jan 25, 7:13*am, Andy > wrote:

> Being a lazy BUM!!!, I bought a can of PAM about 3 years ago, reasoning
> I'd save time and a paper towel not having to apply a higher quality
> cooking oil.



Yeah, but, actually, you can control the paper towel method better and
not have the spray hitting areas outside what you wish to coat. I
don't buy the Pam stuff. I keep a little Canola in a stainless
watering can type thing, and just pour a tiny bit onto the paper
towel. I keep a little olive oil in a cruet for the same purpose.
Works fine and cheaper too. I also am not crazy about aerosol cans
around the stove.

I don't trust the stuff marketed as cooking spray any more than I like
what they sell as cooking wine. Ugh.
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On Jan 25, 9:04*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 7:13*am, Andy > wrote:
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> > Being a lazy BUM!!!, I bought a can of PAM about 3 years ago, reasoning
> > I'd save time and a paper towel not having to apply a higher quality
> > cooking oil.

>
> Yeah, but, actually, you can control the paper towel method better and
> not have the spray hitting areas outside what you wish to coat. *I
> don't buy the Pam stuff. *I keep a little Canola in a stainless
> watering can type thing, and just pour a tiny bit onto the paper
> towel. *I keep a little olive oil in a cruet for the same purpose.
> Works fine and cheaper too. *I also am not crazy about aerosol cans
> around the stove.


That's why I use Pam in the vicinity of the sink. Hold pan over sink;
spray. Overspray is cleaned up in the usual course of cleaning
the sink.

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On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:
> "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> spray all around the house."
>
> http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/


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On Jan 25, 10:41*am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:
>
> > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> > spray all around the house."

>
> >http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/

>
> That or pledge for shoe shine when I was in the navy. For chloroframs.
>
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==
I believe that "PAM" consists mostly of Canola oil whereas many years
ago it contained corn oil. Canola oil leaves a sticky, yucky residue
which I hate and it is hard to clean it from surfaces. A food-quality
silicone spray works better for many of the "other" uses listed than
PAM does IMHO.
==
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:23:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> That's why I use Pam in the vicinity of the sink. Hold pan over sink;
> spray. Overspray is cleaned up in the usual course of cleaning
> the sink.


I spray in the sink for the same reason. I'm not afraid of aerosol,
but I create as little mess on purpose as possible, because I hate to
clean up.

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On 1/24/2011 4:00 PM, sandi wrote:
> "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> spray all around the house."
>
> http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/


You should avoid spraying Pam on your brake rotors - you'll just
contaminate your brake pads. At least your inside pads will probably be
OK. My guess is that a combination of Pam and brake dust would be tough
to clean.

Pam works fine sprayed on a Turkey before roasting.
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:14:15 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> Pam works fine sprayed on a Turkey before roasting.


I like that idea.

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I use a spritzer filled with junky oil (Pomace olive oil that my SO thought was olive oil) to spray on the BBQ grill before I throw meat/apargus, peppers on there. Works fine.

I'll stick with WD-40 and the like for other "mechanical" lubrication.


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On Jan 25, 1:14*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 1/24/2011 4:00 PM, sandi wrote:
>
> > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> > spray all around the house."

>
> >http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/

>
> You should avoid spraying Pam on your brake rotors - you'll just
> contaminate your brake pads. At least your inside pads will probably be
> OK. My guess is that a combination of Pam and brake dust would be tough
> to clean.



They used to say to use Pam on the bumper to keep lovebugs from
sticking - baloney. Doesn't work anymore than Skin SO Soft repels
skeeters. Tried em both.
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In article <df74ecb7-f734-4a22-b035-
>, says...
>
> On Jan 25, 10:41*am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> > On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:
> >
> > > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> > > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> > > spray all around the house."

> >
> > >
http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/
> >
> > That or pledge for shoe shine when I was in the navy. For chloroframs.
> >
> > --
> > Currently Reading: *Falling Free by Lois McMaster Bujold

>
> ==
> I believe that "PAM" consists mostly of Canola oil whereas many years
> ago it contained corn oil. Canola oil leaves a sticky, yucky residue
> which I hate and it is hard to clean it from surfaces. A food-quality
> silicone spray works better for many of the "other" uses listed than
> PAM does IMHO.


The residue is from lecithin, not canola oil.
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On Jan 28, 6:46*am, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> In article <df74ecb7-f734-4a22-b035-
> >, says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 10:41 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> > > On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:

>
> > > > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> > > > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> > > > spray all around the house."

>
> > > >http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/

>
> > > That or pledge for shoe shine when I was in the navy. For chloroframs..

>
> > > --
> > > Currently Reading: Falling Free by Lois McMaster Bujold

>
> > ==
> > I believe that "PAM" consists mostly of Canola oil whereas many years
> > ago it contained corn oil. Canola oil leaves a sticky, yucky residue
> > which I hate and it is hard to clean it from surfaces. A food-quality
> > silicone spray works better for many of the "other" uses listed than
> > PAM does IMHO.

>
> The residue is from lecithin, not canola oil.


==
Actually, the lecithin is supposed to prevent sticking (read the
label).

My brother and his wife had a restaurant and I used to get the empty
pails which had contained canola oil from them. You could wash and
wash with heavy duty detergent and hot water and still have that
sticky feel on the surface of the plastic pail. Damnedest stuff to
clean up if it gets spilled on a tile floor as well.
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On Jan 24, 6:38*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> sandi wrote:
>
> > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> > spray all around the house."

>
> >http://www.diylife.com/2011/01/13/cooking-spray-uses/

>
> They missed using Pam as an anti-spatter spray in MIG welding.


That's not what I use Pam for!


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On Jan 28, 11:17*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
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> in.local...
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> > In article <df74ecb7-f734-4a22-b035-
> > >, says...

>
> >> On Jan 25, 10:41 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> >> > On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:

>
> >> > > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> >> > > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> >> > > spray all around the house."

>
> Back in the day (1970's) there was a practice called "bagging". *Teens
> sprayed PAM and other household toxins into plastic bags and sniffed them to
> obtain a high... much like sniffing model glue. *I know of one kid I went to
> school with who died as a result. *Alternative uses for cooking spray aren't
> always a great idea.
>
> Jill


Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
alternative.
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On Jan 28, 11:17 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "J. Clarke" > wrote in message
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> in.local...
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> > In article <df74ecb7-f734-4a22-b035-
> > >, says...

>
> >> On Jan 25, 10:41 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
> >> > On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:

>
> >> > > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
> >> > > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
> >> > > spray all around the house."

>
> Back in the day (1970's) there was a practice called "bagging". Teens
> sprayed PAM and other household toxins into plastic bags and sniffed them
> to
> obtain a high... much like sniffing model glue. I know of one kid I went
> to
> school with who died as a result. Alternative uses for cooking spray
> aren't
> always a great idea.
>
> Jill


Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
alternative.

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That's really sad. I don't know anyone personally who does it. But I have
seen people doing it. One guy started freaking out and stuffing beauty bark
up his nose after he did it. No telling what he thought he was doing.


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dsi1 wrote:

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> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
> choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
> alternative.



When my daughter was in high school (1984-88) one of her classmates
was found dead in the parking lot after huffing from a can of car
air-conditioner freon refill. Frozen lungs doesn't sound like a fun
way to go. I understand it's the propellant in the can, not the
active material, that causes the high.

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On 1/29/2011 2:08 AM, Janet wrote:
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>> > wrote in message
>> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
>> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
>> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
>> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
>> choice.

>
> I hope your neice knows that substance abuse can affect his sperm
> leading to lifelong abnormalities in any child he fathers.
>
> Janet
>


That's a good point. They have two kids but they seem pretty regular.
Mostly, I think their main problem will be growing up without a dad.


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On 1/29/2011 12:18 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
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> On Jan 28, 11:17 am, > wrote:
>> "J. > wrote in message
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>> in.local...
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>>> In article<df74ecb7-f734-4a22-b035-
>>> >, says...

>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 10:41 am, > wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:

>>
>>>>>> "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
>>>>>> kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use cooking
>>>>>> spray all around the house."

>>
>> Back in the day (1970's) there was a practice called "bagging". Teens
>> sprayed PAM and other household toxins into plastic bags and sniffed them
>> to
>> obtain a high... much like sniffing model glue. I know of one kid I went
>> to
>> school with who died as a result. Alternative uses for cooking spray
>> aren't
>> always a great idea.
>>
>> Jill

>
> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
> choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
> alternative.
>
> ---
>
> That's really sad. I don't know anyone personally who does it. But I have
> seen people doing it. One guy started freaking out and stuffing beauty bark
> up his nose after he did it. No telling what he thought he was doing.
>
>


Huffing is mostly done by kids probably because they don't have easy
access to alcohol. OTOH, my guess is that adults will keep it a secret
because people their age just don't do that kind of stuff.
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On 1/29/2011 6:20 AM, gloria.p wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
>> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
>> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
>> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
>> choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
>> alternative.

>
>
> When my daughter was in high school (1984-88) one of her classmates
> was found dead in the parking lot after huffing from a can of car
> air-conditioner freon refill. Frozen lungs doesn't sound like a fun
> way to go. I understand it's the propellant in the can, not the
> active material, that causes the high.
>
> gloria p


I'm not hip to how it all works although it's interesting that he
doesn't go for more socially acceptable ways of getting high. My guess
is that he wants to be unconscious. It could be more common a practice
in adults than we can imagine.
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dsi1 wrote:
> On 1/29/2011 6:20 AM, gloria.p wrote:


>> When my daughter was in high school (1984-88) one of her classmates
>> was found dead in the parking lot after huffing from a can of car
>> air-conditioner freon refill. Frozen lungs doesn't sound like a fun
>> way to go. I understand it's the propellant in the can, not the
>> active material, that causes the high.


> I'm not hip to how it all works although it's interesting that he
> doesn't go for more socially acceptable ways of getting high. My guess
> is that he wants to be unconscious. It could be more common a practice
> in adults than we can imagine.


Years ago my doctor's partner was found dead in his office from
sniffing whatever kind of gas they might have there. Seems he'd stay
after hours and get high. It was all pretty shocking.

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>Years ago my doctor's partner was found dead in his office from
>sniffing whatever kind of gas they might have there. Seems he'd stay
>after hours and get high. It was all pretty shocking.


I notice some dentists don't give you nearly enough nitrous gas.
I figure they are bogarting it.


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On 1/29/2011 12:04 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 1/29/2011 6:20 AM, gloria.p wrote:

>
>>> When my daughter was in high school (1984-88) one of her classmates
>>> was found dead in the parking lot after huffing from a can of car
>>> air-conditioner freon refill. Frozen lungs doesn't sound like a fun
>>> way to go. I understand it's the propellant in the can, not the
>>> active material, that causes the high.

>
>> I'm not hip to how it all works although it's interesting that he
>> doesn't go for more socially acceptable ways of getting high. My guess
>> is that he wants to be unconscious. It could be more common a practice
>> in adults than we can imagine.

>
> Years ago my doctor's partner was found dead in his office from
> sniffing whatever kind of gas they might have there. Seems he'd stay
> after hours and get high. It was all pretty shocking.
> nancy


I'm guessing that would be nitrous oxide although, I've never heard of
that stuff killing a person. Pretty shocking indeed.


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> Mostly, I think their main problem will be growing up without a dad.


That's what life insurance is for.
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On 29/01/2011 6:37 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Mostly, I think their main problem will be growing up without a dad.

>
> That's what life insurance is for.


Money compensates for not having a father and role model in your life?
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Dave Smith wrote:
> On 29/01/2011 6:37 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Mostly, I think their main problem will be growing up without a dad.

>>
>> That's what life insurance is for.

>
> Money compensates for not having a father and role model in your life?





How much benefit is there to having a substance or drug addicted father
as a role model?

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> Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> Years ago my doctor's partner was found dead in his office from
>> sniffing whatever kind of gas they might have there. Seems he'd stay
>> after hours and get high. It was all pretty shocking.

>
> I notice some dentists don't give you nearly enough nitrous gas.
> I figure they are bogarting it.


Heh, well I only had laughing gas at the dentist once, when I was
maybe 12. Walking home was really ... interesting.

My current dentist only offers me the needle, I don't know if
he uses gas.

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On 1/29/2011 1:02 PM, atec77 wrote:
> On 30/01/2011 7:38 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 1/29/2011 2:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
>>>> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
>>>> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
>>>> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
>>>> choice.
>>>
>>> I hope your neice knows that substance abuse can affect his sperm
>>> leading to lifelong abnormalities in any child he fathers.
>>>
>>> Janet
>>>

>>
>> That's a good point. They have two kids but they seem pretty regular.
>> Mostly, I think their main problem will be growing up without a dad.

>
>
> Under the circumstances I can't see the downside in a very short time
>


She should lose the guy pronto - however, the main problem for the kids
will be growing up without a dad.


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On 1/29/2011 1:37 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Mostly, I think their main problem will be growing up without a dad.

>
> That's what life insurance is for.


Rent a dad? :-)
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:20:51 -0700, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
>> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
>> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
>> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
>> choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
>> alternative.

>
>
>When my daughter was in high school (1984-88) one of her classmates
>was found dead in the parking lot after huffing from a can of car
>air-conditioner freon refill. Frozen lungs doesn't sound like a fun
>way to go. I understand it's the propellant in the can, not the
>active material, that causes the high.
>
>gloria p


Most of the freons (there are a number of them) are quite inert and
biologically innocuous. In fact, it's their lack of chemical
reactivity that allows them to migrate into the upper atmosphere and
cause the problems they are thought to cause. Unlikely to have caused
death by frozen lungs; possibly simple suffocation, or
over-intoxication.

I'm not up on this chemistry but my understanding is that vapors from
gasoline and similar solvents, as well as propellants for some
aerosols, interfere with nerve transmission by messing about with
neurotransmitters in CNS receptors.

Quote from my favorite chemistry book:

"...sniffing...is perhaps the deadliest form of drug abuse. The dose
required for intoxication often is not far from that which will stop
the heart. And it is difficult to measure the dose inhaled from the
plastic or paper bag normally used in sniffing...sublethal doses can
cause permanent brain damage by cutting down the oxygen supply to the
brain."
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:31:01 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 1/29/2011 12:04 PM, Nancy Young wrote:


>> Years ago my doctor's partner was found dead in his office from
>> sniffing whatever kind of gas they might have there. Seems he'd stay
>> after hours and get high. It was all pretty shocking.
>> nancy

>
>I'm guessing that would be nitrous oxide although, I've never heard of
>that stuff killing a person. Pretty shocking indeed.


Nitrous oxide itself does not kill (nor does helium, though it's
alleged otherwise). It's the lack of oxygen that kills. Nitrous
oxide as anesthetic is mixed with oxygen. If it's mixed 50-50 with
room air, the user gets slighly less oxygen than is required to remain
conscious. Problems may follow...
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On 1/30/2011 11:27 AM, Terry wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:31:01 -1000, > wrote:
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>> On 1/29/2011 12:04 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
>>> Years ago my doctor's partner was found dead in his office from
>>> sniffing whatever kind of gas they might have there. Seems he'd stay
>>> after hours and get high. It was all pretty shocking.
>>> nancy

>>
>> I'm guessing that would be nitrous oxide although, I've never heard of
>> that stuff killing a person. Pretty shocking indeed.

>
> Nitrous oxide itself does not kill (nor does helium, though it's
> alleged otherwise). It's the lack of oxygen that kills. Nitrous
> oxide as anesthetic is mixed with oxygen. If it's mixed 50-50 with
> room air, the user gets slighly less oxygen than is required to remain
> conscious. Problems may follow...
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> Best -- Terry


N2O seems unlikely to kill but I guess people die strange deaths all the
time. What a way to go.
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>N2O seems unlikely to kill but I guess people die strange deaths all the
>time. What a way to go.


In my college days, one individual died from N20 inhalation. The
situation was fairly extreme however; they had a tank of 100% N20
and fell asleep with the hose in their mouth.


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> On Jan 28, 11:17 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" > wrote in message
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>> in.local...
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>> > In article <df74ecb7-f734-4a22-b035-
>> > >, says...

>>
>> >> On Jan 25, 10:41 am, ravenlynne > wrote:
>> >> > On 1/24/2011 9:00 PM, sandi wrote:

>>
>> >> > > "Want to harness the power of cooking spray? Think outside the
>> >> > > kitchen! There are many clever, budget-friendly ways to use
>> >> > > cooking
>> >> > > spray all around the house."

>>
>> Back in the day (1970's) there was a practice called "bagging". Teens
>> sprayed PAM and other household toxins into plastic bags and sniffed them
>> to
>> obtain a high... much like sniffing model glue. I know of one kid I went
>> to
>> school with who died as a result. Alternative uses for cooking spray
>> aren't
>> always a great idea.
>>
>> Jill

>
> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
> choice. The practice makes binge drinking seem like a healthy
> alternative.



Gawd, that's awful! Apparently he has no idea how many brain cells he's
killing when he does this. Seriously.

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"Janet" > wrote in message
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>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
>> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
>> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
>> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
>> choice.

>
> I hope your neice knows that substance abuse can affect his sperm
> leading to lifelong abnormalities in any child he fathers.
>
> Janet
>


Let's hope he doesn't (or hasn't) reproduced

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"dsi1" > wrote in message

> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom.


Beer cans? It's really difficult to drink enough beer to make
oneself pass out. He could have some comorbidity such as a metabolic
problem.

In any case, he needs help, and probably your niece as well, who
might want to check out Al-Anon.



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On 1/31/2011 3:39 AM, jmcquown wrote:
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> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> Incredibly, huffing is alive and well these days. My niece will find
>>> her 30-something year old husband passed out in parking lots with
>>> empty cans laying on the floor of their car or in their bedroom. The
>>> guy looks like a regular Joe but this is his recreational drug of
>>> choice.

>>
>> I hope your neice knows that substance abuse can affect his sperm
>> leading to lifelong abnormalities in any child he fathers.
>>
>> Janet
>>

>
> Let's hope he doesn't (or hasn't) reproduced
>
> Jill


Sorry, there are kids. My wife's side of the family's genes tends to
foster addictive behavior. My sister-in-law's husband was pretty much a
user in his younger days although he's slowed down and paying for those
days of abuse. My niece just married a guy that was like her dad. That's
the breaks. About all one can do now is pray, I guess.
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