On 2011-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
> won't be quick to change to Brand Y

True dat. My first SERIOUS camera was an Olympus, which took
brilliant pictures. In fact, their lenses often got higher ratings
than Nikon or Canon. Unfortunately, it wasn't a pro grade body and
the metal shutter rusted after only a year, rendering the thing
useless. I'm glad I hadn't invested in extra lenses at that point.

nb

On 2 Feb 2011 13:12:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2011-02-01, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>> Pentax and MInolta did it, too. I was a photography junkie in those
>> years and I stuck with Minoltas until I switched over to digital.
>
>How did they lock one in? I had Canon and could buy Vivitar lenses,
>Fuji or Kodak film, 3rd party flashes, etc. There's more of an
>attempted lock in with digital ...think proprietary RAW formats, dwnld
>software, etc.... but still ways around it. I bypass Canon's horrible
>dwnld issues by simply taking out the memory card and hooking it
>directly to my linux computer with a card reader.
>
>nb
>
>
You could always buy other lenses, but the mounts usually only worked
with one camera brand. I had some Tamron and Vivitar lenses, as I
recall.

I have several Canon digitals now...P&S & DSLRs, and always remove the
card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
is it?

Boron

On 2 Feb 2011 13:16:32 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2011-02-02, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>> Whisk, dough hook and stock paddle were in the box.
>
>I think Ed is referring to those aftermkt blades with the rubber
>wipers built in:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/48upg6f
>
>nb

I'll reserve judgment until I take Betsy out for a test run this
weekend.

Do they make those for the bowl-raised version, too?

Frankly, if I have ever worked with an odd dough, I just stop the
mixer and use a rubber scraper to floop it all together. Can't say
that on other mixers it has been so much of a problem that I'd shell
out more for another beater.

Boron

On 2011-02-02, Boron Elgar > wrote:

> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
> is it?

Perhaps it's jes the card reader. I know earlier card readers didn't
allow one to write to the card and now most do. Mine CR takes SDHC
cards, which are up to 32G, but I've only tried a 4G card. You
computer can't be much older than mine, an ancient P4 box w/ USB 1.1.

nb

notbob > wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
>> won't be quick to change to Brand Y
>
>True dat.
>
>nb

A lotta nonsense.

Probably not at Walmart, Costco, and of that ilk but most pro type
camera shops carry a broad stock of lens adapter rings/bushings...
even for fitting camera bodies to telescopes/microscopes.... most in
the $15 to $25 range. If your local camera shop doesn't have what
you need they can order from catalogs. I've very recently purchased
adapters for my spotting scope. There are many web sites that sell
lens adapters, here's one out of of hundreds:
http://www.bugeyedigital.com/

It's silly to think one needs to buy same brand cameras and lenses...
often even same brand needs an adaptor because of model changes over
the years.

sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:38:00 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
>wrote:
>
>> Now it will whip a single egg white to a stiff peak in short order. I
>> had looked at the beaters with little spatulas on them- but no need.
>> The stock beater seems to get everything mixed up.
>
>Wow! I would have thought one egg white would be too little for such
>a big bowl. Thanks! Where do you store your machine?

Store? <g> It takes up some serious real estate on the
counter-- but it is easier on my back than dragging it out every day.
It is a rare day that it doesn't get used for something.

Jim

Boron Elgar > wrote:

-snip-
>
>Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
>stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
>mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
>KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.

I think KA shot themselves in the foot by making a 350watt machine
that would be sold to the masses. And they were just plain
stupid when they replaced the metal gearbox in the 6quart 'Pro' models
with a plastic one.

They've corrected the gearbox in the 6qt-- I'd check to see if they've
gotten around to doing the same with the 5qt lift bowl before I spent
any money on one.

There is a *world* of difference between the power and longevity of a
575watt motor and a 350watt.

>
>Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
>sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
>of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.

Just for giggles, put the beater in and toss a dime into the bottom of
the bowl. I think they said to test this way in the manual- but
it might have been on the old KA site's forum. Are they adjusting
them right, now?


>It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
>
>http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg
>

That looks like a pretty serious piece of equipment. Now I know
what that curious looking plastic cylinder was in the background of
one of your Kaiser roll flicks.


Jim

On 2 Feb 2011 14:36:02 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2011-02-02, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
>> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
>> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
>> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
>> is it?
>
>Perhaps it's jes the card reader. I know earlier card readers didn't
>allow one to write to the card and now most do. Mine CR takes SDHC
>cards, which are up to 32G, but I've only tried a 4G card. You
>computer can't be much older than mine, an ancient P4 box w/ USB 1.1.
>
>nb

I know it is just the card reader and as such, is easily remedied, but
next month we get the magic checks from AmEx and Costco for the annual
cash refund...just sayin' because the computer is 4 years old.

I used to be hot into replacing my computers all the time. I had to
have the latest and greatest. I still probably do it more than most,
but with a laptop, netbook and desktop, and a fondness for refurbs,
and contentment for just one new toy of the bunch being upgraded
every year or two, the habit is really not a problem to accommodate.

I mean, really, I didn't NEED a new mixer, either, but someone has to
get this economy going and make sure the Chinese factories are
humming.

Boron

In article
>,
"Michael O'Connor" > wrote:

> > I don't get it. *You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
> > reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
> >
>
> I bought a Kitchen Aid a couple months ago, and tried the meat grinder
> a few times. It works well, I bought my own chuck roast and cut it
> into small pieces and ground it, but you have to trim off a lot of
> that stringy fat.

It also helps if you *slightly* freeze those 1-1/2" cubes - maybe 20
minutes on a cookie sheet in the freezer. That makes a big difference.

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

In article >,
Boron Elgar > wrote:

> I have several Canon digitals now...P&S & DSLRs, and always remove the
> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
> is it?
>
> Boron

Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

Boron Elgar > wrote:
-snip-
>
>I have several Canon digitals now...P&S

Talk about thread drift-- But every time I see Canon and P&S I have
to mention CHDK-
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_for_Dummies

Essentially it is open source free-ware that changes nothing on your
camera-- but allows it to do time lapse, motion detection, bracketing
by aperture, shutter speed, exposure, or even focus. . . .

Some really cool stuff- different for every camera-- but a wide range
of things I've never played with.


Jim

On 2011-02-02, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
> cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.

psst... Barb. Your MacBook Pro cost twice what an equivelent PC
would. A card reader costs $10-15. Slick snot comes from where you
paid big $$$ through.

nb

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 07:23:22 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 00:02:21 -0600, Sqwertz >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:21 -0500, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of us recommended the Kitchenaid meat grinder attachment and
>>> the OP said he didn't have a Kitchenaid.
>>>
>>> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>>> -snip-
>>>>
>>>>Even if you did, my recommendation would be for a separate grinder.
>>>>This way, if the mixer goes south or is replaced for any reason, you
>>>>do not lose all the attachment tools. Ask me how I know.....\
>>
>>I don't get it. You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
>>reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
>>
>>-sw
>
>Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
>stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
>mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
>KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
>
>Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
>sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
>of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.
>It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
>
>http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg
>
>Boron

I toss salad in an 8 qt bowl. An 8 qt capacity is kinda stingy for an
expensive dedicated dough kneader... most folks heavily into bread
baking at home would buy something at least in the 12 qt range,
probably larger. Unless handicapped most normal folks could easily
knead by hand what would fit into an 8 qt capacity unit. Those dough
kneaders work well but they have no other use and they are
expensive... makes no sense to buy one so small... they also don't do
well with very heavy doughs like pizza/bagel. Actually those
expensive dough kneaders don't do any better than the typical ABM,
they operate on the same principle. I often use my ABM to make up
dough but bake it in my stove oven... I'd rather run it twice than
spend all that money on such a dinky sized machine. That's why I
don't own a KA stand mixer, I can knead by hand what it can do, and
everything else I can accomplish just as well with my trusty KA hand
mixer. Many years ago I used to bake lots of bread but not anymore...
I had a 12 qt Hobart stand mixer I bought used, and even that was
lacking, could have used a 20 qt. Twenty quarts is not a lot, I make
soup in 20 qt pots.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:19:47 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>> I have several Canon digitals now...P&S & DSLRs, and always remove the
>> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
>> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
>> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
>> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
>> is it?
>>
>> Boron
>
>Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
>cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.

You can't gloat yet...I have a slot on the netbook and laptop and on
the desktop. The card readers are built in, like the old floppy drives
were. BUT, the older desktop just doesn't recognize the higher
capacity cards. TH's desktop, which is only 2 years old does, though.

I do have a portable card reader, though. It looks like a flash drive.
I carry it around because the computer at the office are ancient and
have no card readers.

TH replaced the Mac he was using when Apple told him he'd have to get
a whole new system to accommodate a digital video editing program he
wanted. The new PC was less than half what it would have cost him to
replace the Mac.

We've always been a equal opportunity household. We're easy over
here...Windows, Mac Os versions, Linux, you name it, we play with it.
I should open a store.

Boron

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:23:45 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

>Boron Elgar > wrote:
>-snip-
>>
>>I have several Canon digitals now...P&S
>
>Talk about thread drift-- But every time I see Canon and P&S I have
>to mention CHDK-
>http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_for_Dummies
>
>Essentially it is open source free-ware that changes nothing on your
>camera-- but allows it to do time lapse, motion detection, bracketing
>by aperture, shutter speed, exposure, or even focus. . . .
>
>Some really cool stuff- different for every camera-- but a wide range
>of things I've never played with.
>
>
>Jim

That is a very popular hack. Lot of good stuff there.

Boron

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:35:55 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>?
>"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote >
>> When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>> is in three, it gets it.
>>
>
>Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.

No one needs a stand mixer to beat a couple three eggs... I beat a
dozen eggs most every omelet, I use a small wire whisk in a 1 1/2 qt
bowl, why bother to break out my hand mixer and then have to clean it.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:17:04 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article
>,
> "Michael O'Connor" > wrote:
>
>> > I don't get it. *You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
>> > reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
>> >
>>
>> I bought a Kitchen Aid a couple months ago, and tried the meat grinder
>> a few times. It works well, I bought my own chuck roast and cut it
>> into small pieces and ground it, but you have to trim off a lot of
>> that stringy fat.
>
>It also helps if you *slightly* freeze those 1-1/2" cubes - maybe 20
>minutes on a cookie sheet in the freezer. That makes a big difference.

I do not make sausage and I only use ground meat rarely. I suppose
that is why I hesitate to bother with the grinder.

I do not see how I would save any money and I get my specialty ground
meats like lamb, from the best butcher around here. He charges me what
a lamb shoulder would run anyway, so I figure let him do the work.

I suppose if I used ground meat more often, it'd make some sense.

Grain mill...well,, that's a whole 'nother thing.

Boron

Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> On 2 Feb 2011 13:16:32 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2011-02-02, Boron Elgar > wrote:
> >
> >> Whisk, dough hook and stock paddle were in the box.
> >
> >I think Ed is referring to those aftermkt blades with the rubber
> >wipers built in:
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/48upg6f
> >
> >nb
>
> I'll reserve judgment until I take Betsy out for a test run this
> weekend.
>
> Do they make those for the bowl-raised version, too?
>
> Frankly, if I have ever worked with an odd dough, I just stop the
> mixer and use a rubber scraper to floop it all together. Can't say
> that on other mixers it has been so much of a problem that I'd shell
> out more for another beater.
>
> Boron

Yes, they do have the beaterblade for the 5qt bowl lift machines.

Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
> stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
> mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
> KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.

Not true, all of the kitchenaid drive hub attachments will work just
fine on a Hobart N-50 mixer. If they are serious bread bakers, they need
to either buy the top end KA models and hope for the best, or else cough
up the dough for the Hobart and be done with it.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-02-02, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
> > cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.
>
> psst... Barb. Your MacBook Pro cost twice what an equivelent PC
> would. A card reader costs $10-15. Slick snot comes from where you
> paid big $$$ through.
>
> nb

Understood. And I wouldn't change a thing. I've never used a Linux OS,
though Mac's OS is essentially a Linux app, I think. I have used
Windoze and I don't much care for it. And if I had a valid email
address for you I wouldn't have posted this; I'd've emailed it. :-)

OB Food: Faboo spritz cookies just done. Pictures later.

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

In article >,
Boron Elgar > wrote:
> I do not see how I would save any money and I get my specialty ground
> meats like lamb, from the best butcher around here. He charges me what
> a lamb shoulder would run anyway, so I figure let him do the work.
>
> I suppose if I used ground meat more often, it'd make some sense.
>
> Grain mill...well,, that's a whole 'nother thing.
>
> Boron

Understood. I used to grind the pigmeat for my tourtiere until Cub
built a fresh meat counter. Now I let them do it to my specs. Works a
treat. And no ligaments or whatever to gunk up the operation.
--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

On 2/2/2011 8:19 AM, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In >,
> Boron > wrote:
>
>> I have several Canon digitals now...P&S& DSLRs, and always remove the
>> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
>> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
>> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
>> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
>> is it?
>>
>> Boron
>
> Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
> cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.



Ditto for my 18 month old Dell Studio laptop. I downloaded photos from
our Panama trip last night. I could have sworn I took more but most of
them are OK.

gp

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:25:53 -0700, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>On 2/2/2011 8:19 AM, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> In >,
>> Boron > wrote:
>>
>>> I have several Canon digitals now...P&S& DSLRs, and always remove the
>>> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
>>> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
>>> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
>>> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
>>> is it?
>>>
>>> Boron
>>
>> Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
>> cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.
>
>
>
>Ditto for my 18 month old Dell Studio laptop. I downloaded photos from
>our Panama trip last night. I could have sworn I took more but most of
>them are OK.
>
>gp

You took a boat through the canal?

Boron

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:21:25 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>> I do not see how I would save any money and I get my specialty ground
>> meats like lamb, from the best butcher around here. He charges me what
>> a lamb shoulder would run anyway, so I figure let him do the work.
>>
>> I suppose if I used ground meat more often, it'd make some sense.
>>
>> Grain mill...well,, that's a whole 'nother thing.
>>
>> Boron
>
>Understood. I used to grind the pigmeat for my tourtiere until Cub
>built a fresh meat counter. Now I let them do it to my specs. Works a
>treat. And no ligaments or whatever to gunk up the operation.

The ligaments and other stringy bits seem to be a universal complaint
until the home grinder gets into the $300 or so range.

Do folks use these to create plain ground meat or more likely sausage
making?

Boron

Boron Elgar > wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:21:25 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:
-snip-
>>Understood. I used to grind the pigmeat for my tourtiere until Cub
>>built a fresh meat counter. Now I let them do it to my specs. Works a
>>treat. And no ligaments or whatever to gunk up the operation.
>
>The ligaments and other stringy bits seem to be a universal complaint
>until the home grinder gets into the $300 or so range.
>
>Do folks use these to create plain ground meat or more likely sausage
>making?

I used the manual one I had for years and the KA attachment mostly for
grinding veggies for soup.

But last week I made a consomme & rather than running to the store for
lean ground beef- I ground up a couple pounds of CAB round that I'd
just bought. Worked a treat for me.

Sausage is in my future- but I have a couple thousand other things to
get done first.

Jim

On 2011-02-02, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> though Mac's OS is essentially a Linux app, I think. I have used

Pretty close. OS X is based on BSD unix, with proprietary coding,
which allows Apple to charge through that slick stuff fount. Linux is
free, in all senses of the word. They CAN charge for it, but are also
REQUIRED to provide it at NO cost.

> address for you I wouldn't have posted this; I'd've emailed it. :-)

not bob (all one word) at q (the letter) dot com (the domain)

nb

On 2 Feb 2011 13:12:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> I bypass Canon's horrible
> dwnld issues by simply taking out the memory card and hooking it
> directly to my linux computer with a card reader.

What are you talking about? As far as card readers go, I'd rather die
than try a POS like that again. I bought one once and couldn't get
the GD thing to work if my life depended on it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2 Feb 2011 14:01:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
> > won't be quick to change to Brand Y
>
> True dat. My first SERIOUS camera was an Olympus, which took
> brilliant pictures. In fact, their lenses often got higher ratings
> than Nikon or Canon. Unfortunately, it wasn't a pro grade body and
> the metal shutter rusted after only a year, rendering the thing
> useless. I'm glad I hadn't invested in extra lenses at that point.
>
I had a Pentax SLR and don't remember being locked into Pentax... I
think I used Vivitar lenses, so what's all this whining about being
locked into Canon brand lenses? I heard somewhere that we can still
use our old lenses on new SLR digitals.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:19:50 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> I have to use the cable

I use the cable by preference and it's always plugged in.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:12:26 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> the computer is 4 years old.

You have a mere baby in computer age.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2 Feb 2011 13:16:32 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-02-02, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
> > Whisk, dough hook and stock paddle were in the box.
>
> I think Ed is referring to those aftermkt blades with the rubber
> wipers built in:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/48upg6f
>
Yes, I understood (thanks)... but it triggered that question, which
I've been meaning to ask for quite a while but didn't have the
opportunity until yesterday.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2011-02-02, sf > wrote:

> What are you talking about? As far as card readers go, I'd rather die
> than try a POS like that again.

You have our full support! Provide an address and I'm sure many will
be glad to donate.

nb

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:26:16 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> Frankly, if I have ever worked with an odd dough, I just stop the
> mixer and use a rubber scraper to floop it all together. Can't say
> that on other mixers it has been so much of a problem that I'd shell
> out more for another beater.

That one seems more like one to use with thinish batters, because I
used to use a spatula that way.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 03:55:01 -0800 (PST), "Michael O'Connor"
> wrote:

>
> > I don't get it. *You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
> > reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
> >
>
> I bought a Kitchen Aid a couple months ago, and tried the meat grinder
> a few times. It works well, I bought my own chuck roast and cut it
> into small pieces and ground it, but you have to trim off a lot of
> that stringy fat.

It's either you or the meat man... I had some chuck ground by the
butcher last week and didn't ask him trim it first. I drained it
well, but didn't rinse and it was still too fatty for me. Next time
I'll tell him to take some of the fat off first.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 07:23:22 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
> stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
> mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
> KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
>
> Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
> sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
> of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.
> It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
>
> http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg

If you already have one of those, why did you just get a KA? It has a
smaller bowl for smaller jobs and doesn't seem as bulky as the KA is.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:55:03 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On 2 Feb 2011 14:01:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2011-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> > purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
>> > won't be quick to change to Brand Y
>>
>> True dat. My first SERIOUS camera was an Olympus, which took
>> brilliant pictures. In fact, their lenses often got higher ratings
>> than Nikon or Canon. Unfortunately, it wasn't a pro grade body and
>> the metal shutter rusted after only a year, rendering the thing
>> useless. I'm glad I hadn't invested in extra lenses at that point.
>>
>I had a Pentax SLR and don't remember being locked into Pentax... I
>think I used Vivitar lenses, so what's all this whining about being
>locked into Canon brand lenses? I heard somewhere that we can still
>use our old lenses on new SLR digitals.

The lock is that the NEXT time you buy a camera, you have a pantload
of lenses that only fit the previous brand.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:58:30 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:12:26 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>> the computer is 4 years old.
>
>You have a mere baby in computer age.

I have a basement full of its ancestors.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:26:19 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 07:23:22 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>> Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
>> stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
>> mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
>> KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
>>
>> Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
>> sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
>> of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.
>> It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
>>
>> http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg
>
>If you already have one of those, why did you just get a KA? It has a
>smaller bowl for smaller jobs and doesn't seem as bulky as the KA is.


The DLX is quite large and has an 8 qt metal bowl. The smaller bowl
you see is bendable plastic and so far as I am concerned, only usable
with the whisk to make meringue. It is terrific for that.

AND the DLX does not take kindly to small amounts in the big bowl.

Boron

StuPID wrote:
>
>I picked up the meat grinder attachment for my KA at a garage sale for $6

Ice in winter... first time you use it it'll ruin $6 worth of meat.

Hmm, never occured to you why it was being sold at a garage sale...
you paid $5.75 too much! Lol

I can't believe people buy those silly Toys R Us gizmos, I wouldn't
take one for free.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>sf wrote:
>>Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>
>>> Now it will whip a single egg white to a stiff peak in short order.
>>
>>Wow! I would have thought one egg white would be too little for such
>>a big bowl. Thanks! Where do you store your machine?
>
>Store? <g> It takes up some serious real estate on the
>counter-- but it is easier on my back than dragging it out every day.
>It is a rare day that it doesn't get used for something.

No one needs any machine to beat an egg, not unless you have arms like
the mick has legs.

A $350.00 stand mixer sitting on your counter taking up the acreage of
a McMansion... 99.9% of the time doing stuff can't be done just as
well if not better with a $19.98 Sunbeam hand mixer that stores in the
corner of a kitchen drawer, most times all one needs is a whisk or
even a fork and a small cereal bowl. The ONLY reason anyone needs a
KA stand mixer and it's ilk displayed on their counter is for one
reason and for one reason only, in an attempt to impress guests to
think they can cook. Other than kneading a relatively small batch of
dough a KA stand mixer can't do anything better than a garage sale
hand mixer... and anyone not handicapped can knead that amount of
dough and knead it better by hand... no machine can knead dough better
than the human hand. And no one needs a stand mixer to bake a box
cake once a year, Jim. I bet you had one of those track spot lights
installed so it's shining on your KA. LOL-LOL

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