OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
it on my husband...)

How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.

Any help welcome!!

Thank you,
Kris

?
"Kris" > wrote
> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> Any help welcome!!
>
> Thank you,
> Kris

You can try heating it to soften and get most off. For the rest of it, take
it outside and burn it off with a propane torch. It may stink and smoke, but
the cast iron won't be harmed. Some plastics can be dissolved in a
solvent, but if it is a typical kitchen use plastic, it will not dissolve.

"Kris" > wrote in message
...
> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> Any help welcome!!
>
> Thank you,
> Kris

Just guessing here, but I would try heating it up and then wiping it off
with paper towels. This is what I did when my room mate put a package of
Styrofoam cups up against my toaster oven. I didn't see it there when I
turned the oven on. But I smelled it!

In article
>,
Kris > wrote:

> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.

turn on the exhaust fan. Turn on the burner. When it stops smoking, let
it cool and knock off the black bits with a hammer.

Isaac

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:18:35 -0800 (PST), Kris >
wrote:

> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> Any help welcome!!
>
Do you have a self cleaning oven? Does the grate fit inside?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

In article <ecd22269-48a0-450d-89d2-27f055d6664b@
24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> Any help welcome!!

Gas stove? Outside vented hood? Get a pair of vise-grips (if you don't
know what they are, ask at any hardware store--you want the 7 inch or
larger), turn the hood up high, turn the big burner up high, grab the
grate with the vise-grips, run the affected areas through the flame
until clean. Any common plastics that melt will burn off, but they'll
also smoke and smell awful and may produce some slightly toxic fumes.

If you have a self-cleaning oven throw it in the oven and run the
cleaning cycle. If the plastic is thick put something under the grate
to catch any drips.

If you have a bird don't do either of these--birds are insanely
sensitive to overheated plastic, instead take the grate outside and burn
the plastic off with a gas grille if you have one, or take it as an
excuse to get a propane torch (same place you got the vise-grips, also
can use it for creme brulee).

You can help the process along by scraping the plastic once it's hot--
use something cheap that you can throw away or you may end up having to
clean the scraper as well.

In article
>,
Kris > wrote:

> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> Any help welcome!!
>
> Thank you,
> Kris

Inside the house or outside?
Can you burn it off?

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

On Feb 5, 2:50*am, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:18:35 -0800 (PST), Kris >
> wrote:
>
> > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> > it on my husband...)
>
> > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> > Any help welcome!!
>
> Do you have a self cleaning oven? *Does the grate fit inside?
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Wow - never thought of that. Will cast iron be OK in there? I guess it
would, although they always recommend taking out the regular oven
racks.

Thanks,
Kris

On Feb 5, 9:27*am, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> In article <ecd22269-48a0-450d-89d2-27f055d6664b@
> 24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
>
>
> > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> > it on my husband...)
>
> > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> > Any help welcome!!
>
> Gas stove? *Outside vented hood? *Get a pair of vise-grips (if you don't
> know what they are, ask at any hardware store--you want the 7 inch or
> larger), turn the hood up high, turn the big burner up high, grab the
> grate with the vise-grips, run the affected areas through the flame
> until clean. *Any common plastics that melt will burn off, but they'll
> also smoke and smell awful and may produce some slightly toxic fumes.
>
> If you have a self-cleaning oven throw it in the oven and run the
> cleaning cycle. *If the plastic is thick put something under the grate
> to catch any drips.
>
> If you have a bird don't do either of these--birds are insanely
> sensitive to overheated plastic, instead take the grate outside and burn
> the plastic off with a gas grille if you have one, or take it as an
> excuse to get a propane torch (same place you got the vise-grips, also
> can use it for creme brulee).
>
> You can help the process along by scraping the plastic once it's hot--
> use something cheap that you can throw away or you may end up having to
> clean the scraper as well.

I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
th kitchen window for very long...

Kris

On Feb 5, 10:04*am, Melba's Jammin' >
wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *Kris > wrote:
> > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> > it on my husband...)
>
> > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> > Any help welcome!!
>
> > Thank you,
> > Kris
>
> Inside the house or outside? *
> Can you burn it off?
>
> --
> Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
> "Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
> Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;http://web.me.com/barbschaller

Inside. Looks like I'll have to burn the heck out of it or bake the
heck out of it. I wish I had a torch.

Thanks,
Kris

In article <82fc9ba1-f19b-4263-b522-e42dce7508c9
@k38g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> On Feb 5, 10:04*am, Melba's Jammin' >
> wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *Kris > wrote:
> > > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> > > it on my husband...)
> >
> > > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
> >
> > > Any help welcome!!
> >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Kris
> >
> > Inside the house or outside? *
> > Can you burn it off?
> >
> > --
> > Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> > Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
> > "Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
> > Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;http://web.me.com/barbschaller
>
> Inside. Looks like I'll have to burn the heck out of it or bake the
> heck out of it. I wish I had a torch.

Might be an excuse to get one. Just make sure it's pressure-regulated
if you want to use it for creme brulee.

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:50:47 -0800 (PST), Kris >
wrote:

> Wow - never thought of that. Will cast iron be OK in there? I guess it
> would, although they always recommend taking out the regular oven
> racks.

They do that because the shiny finish will be ruined during the self
cleaning cycle and people complain when their cookie sheets don't
glide in and out. Of course, we know how to remedy that.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:53:58 -0800 (PST), Kris >
wrote:

> I wish I had a torch.

This is as good an excuse as any to buy a kitchen torch... not those
itty bitty things either and after that crème brûlée, here you come!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 05/02/2011 11:56 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:53:58 -0800 (PST), >
> wrote:
>
>> I wish I had a torch.
>
> This is as good an excuse as any to buy a kitchen torch... not those
> itty bitty things either and after that crème brûlée, here you come!
>

And you don't need to worry about food grade propane jsut to clean the
grate ;-)

In article
>,
Kris > wrote:

> On Feb 5, 10:04*am, Melba's Jammin' >
> > Inside the house or outside? *
> > Can you burn it off?

> Inside. Looks like I'll have to burn the heck out of it or bake the
> heck out of it. I wish I had a torch.
>
> Thanks,
> Kris

Find a neighbor. And do it outside.

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:50:47 -0800 (PST), Kris >
wrote:

>On Feb 5, 2:50*am, sf > wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:18:35 -0800 (PST), Kris >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
>> > it on my husband...)
>>
>> > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>>
>> > Any help welcome!!
>>
>> Do you have a self cleaning oven? *Does the grate fit inside?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>
>Wow - never thought of that. Will cast iron be OK in there? I guess it
>would, although they always recommend taking out the regular oven
>racks.
>
>Thanks,
>Kris

I wouldn't if it's porcelainized... the expansion coefficient
difference is such that at so high a temperature the porcelain may
crack off as the cast iron expands.

Try placing it in your freezer for a day, the plastic may flake off...
the temperature difference is not nearly so great as with the oven
clean cycle. Many plastics dissolve with acetone (nail polish
remover), but use caution, acetone is a carcinogen.

But the first thing I'd try is to peel it off with a single edge
razor, or even an old paring knife.

When I first got my GE profile gas stove after a few months I brought
the grates outdoors to clean them with ammonia. I dropped one on the
patio and some porcelain chipped off. I phoned GE to see if they'd
sell me a new one, they sent me a carton that contained all four,
gratis... I still have the three unused and never did throw the
chipped grate away, it's in the carton with the new ones... don't ask
me why... probably because it was a very nice carton and there was
that empty slot... and people with basements can save lots of stuff.

On Feb 6, 1:29*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Kris wrote:
>
> > I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
> > high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
> > th kitchen window for very long...
>
> Where I live, it's February.

Of course you're right - the blizzard has taken away my memory
apparently...

Kris

In article <00f3cd31-a316-430f-8557-72dc1fa355b9@
1g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> On Feb 6, 1:29*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> > Kris wrote:
> >
> > > I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
> > > high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
> > > th kitchen window for very long...
> >
> > Where I live, it's February.
>
> Of course you're right - the blizzard has taken away my memory
> apparently...

Fumes are unlikely to hurt the kids, unless they're really heavy. At
least lighting pieces of styrene on fire didn't hurt me when I was a
kid. Or maybe that's why I'm a loon . . .

J. Clarke > wrote:

>1g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, says...

>> On Feb 6, 1:29*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:

>> > Kris wrote:

>> > > I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
>> > > high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
>> > > th kitchen window for very long...

>> > Where I live, it's February.

>> Of course you're right - the blizzard has taken away my memory
>> apparently...

>Fumes are unlikely to hurt the kids, unless they're really heavy. At
>least lighting pieces of styrene on fire didn't hurt me when I was a
>kid. Or maybe that's why I'm a loon . . .

It the grate not removeable? I would deal with it outside rather
than creating fumes indoors.

Steve

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:27:43 -0500, "J. Clarke" >
wrote:

>In article <00f3cd31-a316-430f-8557-72dc1fa355b9@
>1g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, says...
>>
>> On Feb 6, 1:29*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> > Kris wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
>> > > high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
>> > > th kitchen window for very long...
>> >
>> > Where I live, it's February.
>>
>> Of course you're right - the blizzard has taken away my memory
>> apparently...
>
>Fumes are unlikely to hurt the kids, unless they're really heavy.

Why do you think her kids are obese?

In article >, says...
>
> J. Clarke > wrote:
>
> >1g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> >> On Feb 6, 1:29*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> >> > Kris wrote:
>
> >> > > I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
> >> > > high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
> >> > > th kitchen window for very long...
>
> >> > Where I live, it's February.
>
> >> Of course you're right - the blizzard has taken away my memory
> >> apparently...
>
> >Fumes are unlikely to hurt the kids, unless they're really heavy. At
> >least lighting pieces of styrene on fire didn't hurt me when I was a
> >kid. Or maybe that's why I'm a loon . . .
>
> It the grate not removeable? I would deal with it outside rather
> than creating fumes indoors.

However she's stated that she doesn't have a torch, so unless she gets
one she has to use the burner on the stove for a flame.

On 06/02/2011 1:29 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Kris wrote:
>>
>> I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
>> high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
>> th kitchen window for very long...
>
> Where I live, it's February.

and you are a day ahead of everyone else

On Feb 5, 5:58*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> J. Clarke > wrote:
> >1g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, says...
> >> On Feb 6, 1:29 am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >> > Kris wrote:
> >> > > I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
> >> > > high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
> >> > > th kitchen window for very long...
> >> > Where I live, it's February.
> >> Of course you're right - the blizzard has taken away my memory
> >> apparently...
> >Fumes are unlikely to hurt the kids, unless they're really heavy. *At
> >least lighting pieces of styrene on fire didn't hurt me when I was a
> >kid. *Or maybe that's why I'm a loon . . .
>
> It the grate not removeable? *I would deal with it outside rather
> than creating fumes indoors.
>
> Steve

I wish I could. Don't know how though, unless I put it on my gas grill
or hold it over a large candle.

Kris

?
"Kris" > wrote
>>
>> DO NOT BURN IT OFF IN YOUR HOUSE. PLEASE.
>
> Would the self-clean oven mode be safe, fume-wise?
>
> Kris

It will probably stink a bit. Do you have a good vent? Most styrene and
ethylene plastics give off soot and smoke, but are not otherwise toxic. Get
as much of the plastic off as you can with a utility knife and the little
bit left won't be such a big deal, but do vent.

Kris wrote:
>
> I have no bird, but I do have kids! Would running the exhaust fan on
> high take care of the fumes? Of course it's January and I hate to open
> th kitchen window for very long...

Where I live, it's February.

Kris > wrote:

>On Feb 5, 5:58*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> It the grate not removeable? *I would deal with it outside rather
>> than creating fumes indoors.

>I wish I could. Don't know how though, unless I put it on my gas grill
>or hold it over a large candle.

I melted some plastic, actually rubber, onto a stove grate few weeks ago.
(I placed a pan on the stove without realizing a rubber band was
adhering to the bottom of the pan...) It melted and fumed. I used
90% isopropanol to clean it off. May not work for everything, but
it worked in this instance.

My stove has grates, plates under the grates, and little slide-out
shelves under those, all of which can be removed for cleaning.
It's a nice setup in that respect. Basically six items that can
be pulled off to perform routine cleaning of the four-burner stove.

Steve

On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 00:59:25 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>?
>"Kris" > wrote
>>>
>>> DO NOT BURN IT OFF IN YOUR HOUSE. PLEASE.
>>
>> Would the self-clean oven mode be safe, fume-wise?
>>
>> Kris
>
>It will probably stink a bit. Do you have a good vent? Most styrene and
>ethylene plastics give off soot and smoke, but are not otherwise toxic. Get
>as much of the plastic off as you can with a utility knife and the little
>bit left won't be such a big deal, but do vent.

I think attempting to burn off plastic from stove grates with an oven
clean cycle is over kill and will likely damage the grates as most
residential stove grates are porcelainized, either with a colored or
clear coating.... the clean cycle temperature is too high to risk
it... I'd contact the maufacturer's customer service for advice before
going that route. Scraping with a knife would be my first choice to
remove most and than remove whatever stubborn bits if any with a
stainless steel wire sponge. I usually send my stove grates through
the dishwasher, any stobborn spots remaining that won't come off with
a plastic scrubbie will with the wire sponge. I try the plastic
scrubbie first because the wire sponge is tough on finger tips and
will cut through rubber dishwashing gloves... I sugest if anone is
going to do extensive scrubbing with a wire sponge wear cotton
gardening/painters gloves. Of course it would help if the OP gave a
description of her grate's finish and of the plastic (what type of
plastic item and how much on the grate), for all we know it's a tiny
bit from a plastic spatula handle that can be flicked off with a
paring knife... I think heating/burning would probably cause plastic
to adhere more tightly and/or permanently stain. I think it's always
best to try the least invasive route first and then progressively
proceed with more drastic measures. It would probably cost less to
buy a new grate than to run the clean cycle.

On Feb 5, 9:50*am, Kris > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2:50*am, sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:18:35 -0800 (PST), Kris >
> > wrote:
>
> > > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> > > it on my husband...)
>
> > > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> > > Any help welcome!!
>
> > Do you have a self cleaning oven? *Does the grate fit inside?
>
> > --
>
> > Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>
> Wow - never thought of that. Will cast iron be OK in there? I guess it
> would, although they always recommend taking out the regular oven
> racks.
>
> Thanks,
> Kris

The only reason they say to take your regular oven racks out when you
run the self-clean, is so they don't become dull and discolored and
lose their easy "slipperiness." Don't think your grate will suffer at
all. Put something under it, as someone said, in case plastic bits
want to fall off during the cleaning.

N.

Kris > wrote:

>On Feb 5, 5:58*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> It the grate not removeable? *I would deal with it outside rather
>> than creating fumes indoors.

>I wish I could. Don't know how though, unless I put it on my gas grill
>or hold it over a large candle.

The other alternatives are to replace the grate, or to clean it
with something more like a solvent.

Steve

On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:15:42 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>On Feb 5, 9:50*am, Kris > wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 2:50*am, sf > wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:18:35 -0800 (PST), Kris >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
>> > > it on my husband...)
>>
>> > > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>>
>> > > Any help welcome!!
>>
>> > Do you have a self cleaning oven? *Does the grate fit inside?
>>
>> > --
>>
>> > Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>>
>> Wow - never thought of that. Will cast iron be OK in there? I guess it
>> would, although they always recommend taking out the regular oven
>> racks.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kris
>
>The only reason they say to take your regular oven racks out when you
>run the self-clean, is so they don't become dull and discolored and
>lose their easy "slipperiness."

Wrong!

The reason to remove wire oven racks during the clean cycle is because
that high temperature will anneal the racks (remove temper) and make
them too weak to safely support heavy loads. The manufacturer
couldn't care less about dulling and slipperyness... oven racks
eventually dull during normal every day use anyway (the shinyness is
just a flash nickle plate that flakes off with normal use) and if they
bind can be lubed with a small bit of vegetable oil. If your racks
are still shiny and new looking that only indicates that your racks
haven't gotten much use. hehe Some ovens do have heavier duty racks
but still they will lose temper, your heavier racks will still sag
some, even with proper support!

But seriously, the high temperature of the clean cycle will draw out
the steel's temper... won't much matter with baking cookies but when
you do that heavy holiday roast and especially when your slide the
rack out to it's stop, very dangerous when it just flops over like
it's made of rubber.

It's pretty easy to clean wire oven racks in the kitchen sink with
dish detergent and a copper sponge. One should also clean the door
glass *prior* to running the self clean cycle or that subborn schmutz
will only bake on better. Also clean the area outside the door gasket
before running the clean cycle as that metal gets very hot making
schmutz removel difficult if not impossible... clean the door area and
the stove area. During the clean cycle remove all items from the
stove top that are near the oven vent, especially combustibles over
the stove, reason obvious.

On Feb 6, 12:59*am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> ?
> "Kris" > wrote
>
>
>
> >> DO NOT BURN IT OFF IN YOUR HOUSE. PLEASE.
>
> > Would the self-clean oven mode be safe, fume-wise?
>
> > Kris
>
> It will probably stink a bit. Do you have a good vent? *Most styrene and
> ethylene plastics give off soot and smoke, but are not otherwise toxic. *Get
> as much of the plastic off as you can with a utility knife and the little
> bit left won't be such a big deal, but do vent.

It's an average over the stove vent, with two speeds.

Kris

On Feb 5, 12:18*am, Kris > wrote:
> OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> it on my husband...)
>
> How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> Any help welcome!!
>
> Thank you,
> Kris

Okay, I think the real question is who really let the plastic melt on
top of the stove grate?

On Feb 6, 6:45*pm, " > wrote:
> On Feb 5, 12:18*am, Kris > wrote:
>
> > OK, I somehow have melted plastic on my stove grate. (I'll just blame
> > it on my husband...)
>
> > How can I get it off? It won't pry off. The grate is cast iron.
>
> > Any help welcome!!
>
> > Thank you,
> > Kris
>
> Okay, I think the real question is who really let the plastic melt on
> top of the stove grate?

I choose to blame my husband, who is probably 85% more likely to have
put something plastic on a hot stove. NO WAY I could have done
something so absent-minded....

Kris

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message

> I'm always amazed at how
>many come here to ask for assistance but never report back let alone
>offer a thank you.

Thank you for being such a belligerent ignorant asshole Sheldumb. And let us
not forget a proven liar as well.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:58:07 -0500, "Rumford" > wrote:
>
>"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
>
>> I'm always amazed at how
>>many come here to ask for assistance but never report back let alone
>>offer a thank you.
>
>Thank you for being such a belligerent ignorant asshole Sheldumb. And let us
>not forget a proven liar as well.

May the harbingers of terminal illness visit their wrath upon you and
yours.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...


>May the harbingers of terminal illness visit their wrath upon you and
>yours.

Well since you are a proven liar you must not mean the opposite.

"Rumford" wrote in message
...



"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...


>May the harbingers of terminal illness visit their wrath upon you and
>yours.

Well since you are a proven liar you must mean the opposite. (corrected)