The FDA new guidelines are better, but why can't they be in plain
English....oh, yeah, let's not offend the food lobby.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...real-food-unth...


and he doesn't spare offending Oprah eiither


"Which brings us to the powerful person: Oprah. Ms. Winfrey, who has
been on more diets than the rest of us combined, challenged her staff
to “go vegan” for a week. Intriguing, except her idea of surviving
without meat and dairy — no explanation given for why we should go
from too much to none — is to fill your shopping cart with fake
versions of both, like meatless chicken breasts and dairy-less cheese.
"


yup....fake is not better.

On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:

> yup....fake is not better.

So, why does your Best Frozen Pie use and entire container of "frozen
whipped topping"? Are you referring to something other than CoolwHip,
a product about as far from "real food" as it gets?

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>> yup....fake is not better.
>
> So, why does your Best Frozen Pie use and entire container of "frozen
> whipped topping"? Are you referring to something other than CoolwHip,
> a product about as far from "real food" as it gets?

to paraphrase cookie monster, fake food is a "sometimes food"

>> On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:

>>> yup....fake is not better.

We're halfway to Soylent yellow, and scum-skimmers as a job
category. Hmm on that latter point I may be there myself.


S.

On Feb 9, 9:55*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
> > yup....fake is not better.
>
> So, why does your Best Frozen Pie use and entire container of "frozen
> whipped topping"? *Are you referring to something other than CoolwHip,
> a product about as far from "real food" as it gets?
>
> nb

That is a dessert recipe, an old one. You can use real whipped cream
if you like. You don't HAVE to use the frozen topping.

But...to your "point".......you don't eat that pie every day and it is
not your normal eating habit, at least it's not mine. Bittman is
not sayinging you can't have processed foods at all, what he is saying
is that the guidlines should be more clear. Eat Real Food as your
everyday diet.

I don't have a problem with processed food per se....but...I don't eat
them everyday either. But there are those who do and there is a huge
number of children, especially, who rarely get anything except
processed foods to eat, both at home and at school.

I'm a big fan of 'all things in moderation' and I eat the real stuff
first and leave the processed stuff for occassional and special. I
think it just makes sense.

What Oprah did was, instead of just eating real food for her 'vegan'
week, she substituted processed foods so she was not really changing
her TASTE and therefore not upsetting her 'reality'. She really
didn't go vegan and she didn't really have a true vegan
experience....IMHO. I've eaten vegan, a few years ago for a
very long time. I had to look at WHY I was eating vegan since I
really liked fish and chicken and red meat and I found out I was doing
it for the wrong reasons (for me).

On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:

> What Oprah did was, instead of just eating real food for her 'vegan'

> didn't go vegan and she didn't really have a true vegan
> experience....

Oprah is a trainwreck. A very wealthy trainwreck, to be sure, but a
trainwreck nonetheless. I often wondered if she went up against the
beef industry for all the right reasons or jes outta self defense.
Not that I really give a damn.

nb

On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:

> You don't HAVE to use the frozen topping.

BTW, there's a lotta processed junk I'll gleefully ingest, but I wouldn't eat
that stuff at gunpoint!

nb

On Feb 9, 11:10*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
> > You don't HAVE to use the frozen topping.
>
> BTW, there's a lotta processed junk I'll gleefully ingest, but I wouldn't eat
> that stuff at gunpoint!
>
> nb

So use a real whipped cream and try the pie....it really is yummy.

On Feb 9, 9:30*am, ImStillMags > wrote:
> The FDA new guidelines are better, but why can't they be in plain
> English....oh, yeah, let's not offend the food lobby.
>
> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...real-food-unth...
>
> and he doesn't spare offending Oprah eiither
>
> "Which brings us to the powerful person: Oprah. Ms. Winfrey, who has
> been on more diets than the rest of us combined, challenged her staff
> to “go vegan” for a week. Intriguing, except her idea of surviving
> without meat and dairy — no explanation given for why we should go
> from too much to none — is to fill your shopping cart with fake
> versions of both, like meatless chicken breasts and dairy-less cheese.
> "

1. If you "go vegan" you pretty much have to cut out all meat and
dairy. Otherwise you're not really "going vegan." Now if Bittman wants
to know why Oprah is not advocating "going Pollan," that's a different
question.

2. Meat substitutes have a long honorable history, for Buddhists in
particular. The switch from meat is easier when the food you're eating
has the same mouthfeel and heartiness as what you're giving up. My
newly vegetarian niece satisfied her meat cravings with frozen
Morningstar Farms products.

I don't eat enough dairy to really feel a lack.

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
The FDA new guidelines are better, but why can't they be in plain
English....oh, yeah, let's not offend the food lobby.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...real-food-unth...


and he doesn't spare offending Oprah eiither


"Which brings us to the powerful person: Oprah. Ms. Winfrey, who has
been on more diets than the rest of us combined, challenged her staff
to “go vegan” for a week. Intriguing, except her idea of surviving
without meat and dairy — no explanation given for why we should go
from too much to none — is to fill your shopping cart with fake
versions of both, like meatless chicken breasts and dairy-less cheese.
"


yup....fake is not better.

---

The diet that I naturally prefer is almost vegan. I do eat some cheese and
occasionally meat. But the bulk of it is natural foods like vegetables and
rice. I do eat things like bread, tortillas and rice pasta. But I could and
have pretty much live on vegetables. I do not eat soy with the exception of
soy lecithin and some soybean oil if I can't escape it. I have made raw
vegan nut cheeses. The nacho cheese sauce that I made went over well with
everyone who tried it. I have also made raw onion bread that contains only
flax and no other grains like wheat. Made into finger sandwiches with Swiss
nut cheese, lettuce and tomato it is divine. You would swear you were
eating a hearty grain baked bread. But that kind of stuff can be a lot of
work to make. Especially the onion bread. So it is not something I do very
often.

I do buy Sunshine burgers. They are made of black beans. They are very
good but they taste like beans. Not meat. I do not buy them to make me
think I am eating meat. Many years ago I used to buy the American flavor
Boca Burgers. They were good. Very good. Everyone I served them to would
ask me what kind of meat they were. But then I learned that the soy was
messing with my thyroid. I do not miss them at all. I do not buy fake
meats. I have seen things like Seitan. I have never even tried them. I
was forced to eat TVP for a period of time as a child. We were temporarily
broke due to my dad's hours being cut at work. That stuff was horrid and we
all threw a party when we no longer had to eat it. I would never feed that
to my daughter. If things got really bad like that in our family we would
just eat beans.

I have bought some of the fake cheeses. I did like the almond cheese. But
then I developed the almond allergy. I sometimes like the vegan Rice
cheese, but it has this weird, oddly rich aftertaste. I haven't bought it
in a while and can live without it. But when you are allergic to dairy
(like I was), you will try anything and everything (at least at first) to
get the food you miss. Thankfully I have outgrown the dairy allergy.

I do think that the less we mess with our food, the better.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>> yup....fake is not better.
>
> So, why does your Best Frozen Pie use and entire container of "frozen
> whipped topping"? Are you referring to something other than CoolwHip,
> a product about as far from "real food" as it gets?

I grew up with a family who ate that stuff. I never did. Never even tried
it. I do not like whipped cream or ice cream so I am pretty sure I would
not like that. They actually freeze it and eat it frozen. I will not let
my daughter have it. I do let her have real whipped cream.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-02-09, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>> What Oprah did was, instead of just eating real food for her 'vegan'
>
>> didn't go vegan and she didn't really have a true vegan
>> experience....
>
> Oprah is a trainwreck. A very wealthy trainwreck, to be sure, but a
> trainwreck nonetheless. I often wondered if she went up against the
> beef industry for all the right reasons or jes outta self defense.
> Not that I really give a damn.

I have not been able to watch her show for a great many years. I did like
it when she first came on. But then when she brought Dr. Phil (another
person I can not stand) onto the show, she lost me.

My husband used to call me "White Oprah" because of my weight. I was thin
when I first met him. I blame him partially for my regaining the weight I
had lost because he is one of those people who likes to eat only junk. He
never had any real food in his house and just called out for pizza or went
out to eat. Not that I was much better in those days for keeping food in
the house. I mainly didn't. Because I wasn't home much. But when I did
eat out, I ate a lot of salads and healthy foods. He would take me out for
breakfast, order two plates of food for us and then Crepes Suzette on top of
it all. Anyway... From there, my weight kept fluctuating like Oprah's
which is why he gave me the nickname. Not one I want to have!

Now I am just fat. Not as fat as Oprah at her heaviest, thankfully. I
currently weigh exactly what I weighed when we were married, almost 16 years
ago. I was fat then. Since then I have lost some weight several times but
never to the point of being thin and only once to the point of actually
needing to buy smaller clothes.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:30:00 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> yup....fake is not better.

Agreed.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.