"Cam" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 10:13 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Cam" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Feb 10, 2:49 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > I rarely buy chicken and only the boneless, skinless kind or canned.
>
> Are you squeamish?
>
> ---
>
> Yes.

I buy raw chicken backs for my dogs. For $1 at the Chinese grocer I
get the spine, ribs and pelvis from four birds. They sell them for
soup stock. I tear off the hunks of fat hanging from the skin with my
bare hands and give the remainders to my dogs. They can crunch through
the raw bones, cartilage and meat scraps in under two minutes. A
chicken back is a real treat to them and quite a healthy addtion to
their diet. I then take the fat chunks and slowly simmer them in a
cast iron skillet, adding some onions near the end. This process might
not appeal to you, but that's where I get chicken fat.

---

I thought dogs weren't supposed to have chicken bones because they could
split?

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:49:10 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I rarely buy chicken and only the boneless, skinless kind or canned.
>
> So buy a boneless piece of chicken with the skin on. Have the butcher
> take the bone out if you're that way about handling chicken in
> general. If you don't like the texture of the skin, have the butcher
> take that off too. Use a pair of tongs to put it in the skillet or
> saucepan that you'll use to render the fat. It's not rocket science.

Okay. Thanks!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 06:49:06 -0800 (PST), Cam >
> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 10, 2:49 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> > I rarely buy chicken and only the boneless, skinless kind or canned.
>>
>> Are you squeamish?
>
> Trying to answer a "Julie" question is like stepping into a mine
> field. I like Julie, but she has a lot of limitations. Her MO is to
> say "I can't, I won't or *but* (there's always a but)" in response to
> almost any response (after asking a fairly simple question like this
> one) instead of laying it on the line all at once... and then we're
> supposed to remember what she doesn't like, can't eat, won't do.
>
> From what I've read so far, she wants 1T rendered chicken fat but only
> eats boneless, skinless white meat (which IME does come with a little
> fat still attached to it) and won't touch skin or bones. So basically
> unless someone can tell her where to shop for 1T rendered chicken fat
> (in a location that most people on rfc are not aware of or don't
> remember), then all logical suggestions will be shot down as
> no-can-do.
>
> This exercise in frustration turned out to be for a picky cat (that we
> don't know if it's sick or spoiled). Cat questions should go to the
> cat group.

The cat is sick. And few people frequent the cat newsgroup. Since this is
a cookingi question, I assumed I could get the answer here.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Sky" > wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> something. I really don't know. I only need a tiny bit. I'm not even
>>>> sure the cat will eat the stuff..
>>
>>> Yeah, 'schmaltz' (sp?) is rendered chicken fat. Heh, the cat will eat
>>> chicken fat whether it's rendered or not, I bet!
>>
>> She isn't eating much at the moment. She will eat canned chicken and
>> white
>> rice.
>
> If your cat is eating that picky it's time for a trip to the vet. Cat's
> are not naturally picky eaters unless you make a point of giving them
> too much variety.
>
> For a small amount of fat, buy a whole fryer chicken, roast it, drain
> out the drippings, let the fat settle to the top, scoop it off, put it
> in the fridge until it's solid.

She has been to the vet. She has a thyroid problem and the medication
caused kidney disease. She does not like the renal diet but from what I
have read and heard, most cats do not. I need something to get some weight
back on her.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Janet" > wrote:
>>
>>> You are not feeding her appropriately. Get advice from the vet and
>>> follow it.
>>
>> It's low sodium broth. The vet told me to use it.
>
> Cats are obligate carnivores. They should not be given rice except by
> order of the vet. And under most circumstances if a vet says give a cat
> rice the correct response is to find a better vet.

Which she has. She is on a low phosphorus diet.
>
> The carbs in the rice are bad for a cat. Cats with renal problems need
> to be given food more appropriate to cat metabolism than the stuff
> containing rice. The only grain cats should get is whatever grain
> happens to be inside a mouse when the cat kills it.

Not from what I've read on the Internet. And they do make cat food with
rice in it.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 3:07 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >i would appreciate the cat food recipe, Lee
>
> I don't have it offhand. Angela found it. It's not for regular cats. It's
> a renal diet. I do remember that it had white rice, canned clams, chicken,
> the chicken fat and a couple of kinds of vitamins. One was C and the other
> was some kind of eggshell thing. Not sure if those were for cats or
> people.
> I don't know what search parameters she used. I looked and didn't find it.
>
> Right now I am giving her white rice cooked with a little margarine and
> some
> canned chicken mixed in. Also her renal canned food with a gravy that I
> made from butter, sweet rice flour and chicken broth. She seems to like
> the
> gravy but it isn't helping her to eat the food.
>
> I need her to gain some weight. She has lost half a pound since Dec. She
> is eating, but not very much.

I don't know about cats, but a renal diet is generally a low protein
diet. If you're feeding her a Science Diet, try looking for a Hi-Tor
equivalent from your local feed store, as often they are more
palatable.

The only three the vet sells are Purina, KD and Royal Canin. She won't
touch the first two at all. Will eat a tiny bit of the Royal Canin. The
regular Royal Canin was her favorite. I have ordered something online.
It's not a prescription, but it is low in phosphorus. It is what you
mention but that's not the way they spell it, at least I don't think.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 10, 6:58 am, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 3:07 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > >i would appreciate the cat food recipe, Lee
>
> > I don't have it offhand. Angela found it. It's not for regular cats.
> > It's
> > a renal diet. I do remember that it had white rice, canned clams,
> > chicken,
> > the chicken fat and a couple of kinds of vitamins. One was C and the
> > other
> > was some kind of eggshell thing. Not sure if those were for cats or
> > people.
> > I don't know what search parameters she used. I looked and didn't find
> > it.
>
> > Right now I am giving her white rice cooked with a little margarine and
> > some
> > canned chicken mixed in. Also her renal canned food with a gravy that I
> > made from butter, sweet rice flour and chicken broth. She seems to like
> > the
> > gravy but it isn't helping her to eat the food.
>
> > I need her to gain some weight. She has lost half a pound since Dec. She
> > is eating, but not very much.
>
> Have you taken the cat to the vet? Seriously.....this sounds like
> something a Vet should be advising you about.
> There are special foods available at the Vets office for cats with
> renal problems. You really should have her checked out.

Vets sell Science Diet which is generally crap.

Yeah. None of my pets would ever eat that brand. My vet sells quite a few
brands.

spamtrap1888 > wrote:

> Schmalz is German for rendered fat, usually lard, because the pig is
> their most common meat animal.

Yes, rendered animal fat, very often specified, e.g. Schweineschmalz
(pork schmalz, lard), Gänseschmalz (goose schmalz), Entenschmalz (duck
s.), etc. Schweineschmalz, Gänseschmalz and Butterschmalz (clarified
butter) can be found in most every supermarkert in Germany.

> Jews borrowed the word and
> transliterated it to mean chicken fat -- I guess chicken was their
> most common meat animal.

No. The word "Schmalz" means exactly the same in both German and
Yiddish: rendered animal fat, any rendered animal fat (and Ohrenschmalz
is "ear wax", "cerumen"). It is not as if it is forbidden to Jews to
talk about non-kosher foods, fats included. Pork Schmalz/lard is
"haser-schmalz" in Yiddish. By the way, by far the most common rendered
animal fat in European Jewish cookery has always been goose Schmalz.
Chicken Schmalz (Hühnerschmalz/Geflügelschmalz) was - and still is -
rare.

Victor

Julie Bove wrote:

> Vets sell Science Diet which is generally crap.
>
> Yeah. None of my pets would ever eat that brand. My vet sells quite a few
> brands.
>
>


Try turkey or lamb flavored babyfood.

-Bob

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:39:33 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>
>>> Right now I am giving her white rice cooked with a little margarine
>>and some
>>> canned chicken mixed in. Also her renal canned food with a gravy that I
>>> made from butter, sweet rice flour and chicken broth. She seems to like
>>> the
>>> gravy but it isn't helping her to eat the food.
>>
>> That's because cat physiology is NOT the same as human. Cats digestive
>>system is very different, it can't digest grains, rice, starch, or even,
>>dairy food like butter.
>>
>> Do NOT feed her commercial chicken broth because it contains salt,
>>which will rapidly worsen renal problems.
>>
>>
>>You are not feeding her appropriately. Get advice from the vet and
>>follow it.
>
> 'Zactly! There are prescriptive foods made by the major pet food
> companys but only sold by vets... costs a bit more than regular pet
> food but if only one cat it's quite affordable.
> http://www.hillspet.com/products/prescription-diet.html

But she doesn't like them and I've been told most cats do not. So the vet
said to use any means that is low phosphorus as a way to get her to eat
them. This is why I am adding things to the food that I know she likes.
And she loves rice and chicken.

Julie Bove > wrote:

>I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it? Can I get it
>from a butcher?

I've only successfully found it at Jewish delicatessans. And then
only sometimes. (I was also getting it for my cat.)

Steve

"J. Clarke" > wrote in message
in.local...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >i would appreciate the cat food recipe, Lee
>>
>> I don't have it offhand. Angela found it. It's not for regular cats.
>> It's
>> a renal diet. I do remember that it had white rice, canned clams,
>> chicken,
>> the chicken fat and a couple of kinds of vitamins. One was C and the
>> other
>> was some kind of eggshell thing. Not sure if those were for cats or
>> people.
>> I don't know what search parameters she used. I looked and didn't find
>> it.
>>
>> Right now I am giving her white rice cooked with a little margarine and
>> some
>> canned chicken mixed in. Also her renal canned food with a gravy that I
>> made from butter, sweet rice flour and chicken broth. She seems to like
>> the
>> gravy but it isn't helping her to eat the food.
>>
>> I need her to gain some weight. She has lost half a pound since Dec.
>> She
>> is eating, but not very much.
>
> Does she have a favorite "weird" food (like my aunt's cat and olives or
> my mother's and peanuts or David Weber's and celery)? If so and if it's
> not something that would be harmful, you could try adding a bit of it.

That's what I am trying. This morning she had a bite of maple flavored
oatmeal. She loves maple. But I don't think that would go well with her
food. She also loves chicken and especially gravy.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> i would appreciate the cat food recipe, Lee
>>
>> I don't have it offhand. Angela found it. It's not for regular cats.
>> It's a renal diet. I do remember that it had white rice, canned clams,
>> chicken, the chicken fat and a couple of kinds of vitamins. One was C
>> and the other was some kind of eggshell thing. Not sure if those were
>> for cats or people. I don't know what search parameters she used. I
>> looked and didn't find it.
>>
>> Right now I am giving her white rice cooked with a little margarine and
>> some canned chicken mixed in. Also her renal canned food with a gravy
>> that I made from butter, sweet rice flour and chicken broth. She seems
>> to like the gravy but it isn't helping her to eat the food.
>>
>> I need her to gain some weight. She has lost half a pound since Dec.
>> She is eating, but not very much.
>
>
> Buy a small package of chicken backs (they are loaded with fat and skin,
> and have just a little very rich-tasting meat.) Simmer in water until
> they fall apart, and pick out the meat and bones. Skim the fat and save
> it. Add the meat back to the broth and cook white rice in it. Don't add
> any salt or spices, you want it really bland. Add back in however much
> fat you think it needs.
>
> (I've done this for a sick dog, but I left most of the bones in, cooked
> soft)
>
> Also try boiled hamburger with rice. HTH

She would like that. She would kill for meat!

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Vets sell Science Diet which is generally crap.
>>
>> Yeah. None of my pets would ever eat that brand. My vet sells quite a
>> few brands.
>
>
> Try turkey or lamb flavored babyfood.

I had tried that but then got afraid because I didn't know if it was low in
phosphorus or not. Still not sure about the lamb and not sure I have seen
any lamb baby food. Mostly I see chicken, turkey and ham. I know that ham
is no go. She did eat the chicken and turkey. I will have to get more. I
ended up giving them to the food bank because I wasn't sure they would be
safe. I see now it is not the protein that is the problem but the
phosphorus and both of those are low in them. What I do is give her a bite
every now and then between meals. She especially loves treats and loves
being fed things from a spoon.

I got her as a baby. She was very underweight and the vet said she was too
little to have been taken from her mom. I fed her kitten milk replacer and
kitten food from a spoon. I think she remembers that. She has always loved
the spoon. So much so that my niece gave her a little green spoon.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-02-10, Julie Bove > wrote:
>> I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it?
>
> Yes. It comes with any whole chicken.

But we don't eat whole chicken. The one time I did buy one, nobody would
eat it and the whole thing got thrown out. I am not a chicken lover.
Daughter will eat the breast if it is boneless. Once in a while she and
husband will eat just the legs. But only if prepared in certain ways.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it? Can I get it
>> from a butcher?
>
> I can buy it in a Jewish deli. It comes frozen.

I figured as such be there are few Jewish people around here. I did do a
search for Jewish food and the closest place I found was in Seattle. I
think it was downtown. I will ask at Central Market. They would be the
most likely place to find it. Perhaps I just don't know where to look.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it? Can I get it
>>from a butcher?
>
> Every chicken contains easy to remove bundles of fat... but why would
> you want to feed your cat chicken fat... domesticated/house cats don't
> need the extra fat. It's not a good idea to feed any cats raw
> stupidmarket poultry anyway (feral cats can eat fresh kill they hunt,
> they obtain immunity from their mother), and other than fat calories
> rendered chicken fat (schmaltz) contains no nutrients beneficial to
> cats. And if you buy schmaltz be certain it contains no onions,
> they're toxic to cats. Why don't you simply suppliment your cat's
> regular diet with some lean roast chicken meat, it will naturally
> contain sufficient fat, especially the dark meat... your cat doesn't
> need extra fat... your cat gets fed every day, without hunting for
> food, it's not feral, it doesnt need the extra fat calories. If you
> feed your cat extra fat, especially poultry fat, you will certainly
> shorten its life. Your cat will be much better off with a diet of
> quality commercial cat food occasionally supplimented with small
> amounts of certain table foods... homemade pet foods do not contain
> the correct balance of nutrients. And do NOT feed cats dog food. Do
> not experiment on your pet, experiment on yourself.

My daughter found a recipe for renal diet for cats. Calls for canned clams,
some form of chicken (I forget), a tiny amount of chicken fat, white, rice,
some vitamins and maybe some other things I've forgotten. I have not seen
the actual recipe. She was just reading it from the online source. I just
assumed chicken fat was something you would buy like lard. But I guess I'm
wrong. Or I could be wrong.

What I am trying to do is just to supplement the prescription diet she is
on. It is clearly not enough calories for her or something. She is losing
weight rapidly. This is a cat who prior to being sick was constantly being
chastised by the vet for being overweight.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>> Practically saccharine sweet.
>
>
> Why do you think she still drinks TaB? (saccharine is the main flavoring
> ingredient)

Not any more. Sadly they changed it while I was pregnant. I had to stop
drinking it then because I was told saccharine crossed the placenta. I had
to wean myself off of it and learn to like Diet Coke. Then when we moved to
CA and finally stopped breast feeding, I could not find it. Went to some
other city there and did find it. Bought it, drank it and no longer was the
bitter aftertaste I so loved there! Now they put Aspartame in it. There is
still some saccharine but the Aspartame just ruined it for me. Not the
same. But not as bad as when they put calcium in it. Oh momma!

Julie Bove > wrote:

>My daughter found a recipe for renal diet for cats. Calls for canned clams,
>some form of chicken (I forget), a tiny amount of chicken fat, white, rice,
>some vitamins and maybe some other things I've forgotten. I have not seen
>the actual recipe. She was just reading it from the online source. I just
>assumed chicken fat was something you would buy like lard. But I guess I'm
>wrong. Or I could be wrong.

>What I am trying to do is just to supplement the prescription diet she is
>on. It is clearly not enough calories for her or something. She is losing
>weight rapidly. This is a cat who prior to being sick was constantly being
>chastised by the vet for being overweight.

Chicken fat can be a good way of getting more calories into the
cat. Ultimately, with my kidney cat, I went the path of dropper-feeding
him. I would make a slurry of water, wet cat food, and vegetable oil
and use a 5 cc plastic dropper. The extra calories definitely helped
the cat thrive for longer.

Steve

Julie Bove wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Vets sell Science Diet which is generally crap.
>>>
>>> Yeah. None of my pets would ever eat that brand. My vet sells quite a
>>> few brands.
>>
>> Try turkey or lamb flavored babyfood.
>
> I had tried that but then got afraid because I didn't know if it was low in
> phosphorus or not. Still not sure about the lamb and not sure I have seen
> any lamb baby food. Mostly I see chicken, turkey and ham. I know that ham
> is no go. She did eat the chicken and turkey. I will have to get more. I
> ended up giving them to the food bank because I wasn't sure they would be
> safe. I see now it is not the protein that is the problem but the
> phosphorus and both of those are low in them. What I do is give her a bite
> every now and then between meals. She especially loves treats and loves
> being fed things from a spoon.
>
> I got her as a baby. She was very underweight and the vet said she was too
> little to have been taken from her mom. I fed her kitten milk replacer and
> kitten food from a spoon. I think she remembers that. She has always loved
> the spoon. So much so that my niece gave her a little green spoon.
>
>

There's a drug for cats called "Renalzin" that binds phosphorus in the
gut. I have no idea if it's expensive or not, but based on the active
ingredient it shouldn't be too bad (OTOH, it's made by Bayer...) Did
the vet prescribe anything like that?

-Bob

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Every chicken contains easy to remove bundles of fat... but why would
>>> you want to feed your cat chicken fat...
>>
>>Probably true. I told the vet I occasionally gave mom's dog bacon
>>grease in her dog food. The doc promptly scolded me for being a moron
>>and told me to never give pets straight fat, rendered or otherwise, as
>>it overloads their something-or-other organs with harmful
>>watchimacallits. Not being a DMV, who am I to argue? Besides, she
>>was cute.
>
> Yeah, she probably had a family pack of plump chicken breasts.
>
> None of my cats have ever refused plain old roast chicken, even when
> not feeling well and won't eat much of anything else they will if I
> let them gorge on roast chicken, especially the dark meat. Don't feed
> cats raw chicken, dogs neither... domestic cats and dogs do not have
> immunity to salmonella typically in marketed poultry. Cats will eat
> many people foods but for a proper feline diet it's very important to
> feed them mostly cat food, and buy the high quality brands. And even
> though it costs less do not feed cats dog food. Feline dietary needs
> are very different from canines, cats are carnivores, dogs are
> omnivores.

She gets mostly cat food but it is clear that she wants to eat what we are
eating. She comes up to us and hits us with her paw, makes her eyes all big
and cries pitifully. We also don't dare leave a plate or bowl sitting
unattended. And if we throw away a paper plate it must be well rinsed and
put deep in the trash. She has learned how to get things out of there.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:38:10 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Not very often. I don't like it. Sometimes I do boneless skinless breasts.
> Less often I will do drumsticks. Mostly our chicken comes from a can.

OIC. We eat a lot of chicken here at my house. Just served it last
night (chicken and peaches). I bought skin on with bones. Deboned
them myself and saved the bones for stock; took off the skin & fat
myself and rendered the fat. I prefer making my meals from scratch,
not opening a can. That way I know what's in it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:26:26 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> > wrote:
>
>>On Feb 10, 8:03 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you simply suppliment your cat's
>>> regular diet with some lean roast chicken meat, it will naturally
>>> contain sufficient fat, especially the dark meat... your cat doesn't
>>> need extra fat... your cat gets fed every day, without hunting for
>>> food, it's not feral, it doesnt need the extra fat calories. If you
>>> feed your cat extra fat, especially poultry fat, you will certainly
>>> shorten its life.
>>
>>Her cat's kidneys are failing,
>
> She did not state that in the much earlier post I replied to, shit for
> brains... she only asked for chicken fat but didn't say why. Nor does
> she mention how far along the cat's ailment... once the cat begins to
> exude an ammonia smell it hasn't much longer... at the first sign of
> pain it should be put down, NOT kept alive as long as possible... I
> hope she doesn't make it suffer just for her own selfishness. But
> you, you no account, no name *******, I'd hope you suffer the most
> exquisite kind of pain possible, although a numbskull like you has no
> feelings whatsoever.
>
I am still waiting for the test results. Vet was supposed to call yesterday
or today. Guess it will be today. He said her kidneys feel quite small.
He is giving her a year or two to live. She is 17. Mainly I am looking for
a safe food to give her as a supplement to her current diet to get some
weight on her.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 11:47 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Sky" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 2/10/2011 12:48 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it? Can I get it
> >> from a butcher?
>
> >> Thanks!
>
> > IIRC, it's a product called "schmaltz" or something like that? Mind, my
> > recollection is rather poor, some of the time ;/ It's easier to find
> > 'lard', but that's a whole 'bother' product, er by-product!
>
> I have heard that term before but thought that meant like...rendered fat
> or
> something. I really don't know. I only need a tiny bit. I'm not even sure
> the cat will eat the stuff..

Schmalz is German for rendered fat, usually lard, because the pig is
their most common meat animal. Jews borrowed the word and
transliterated it to mean chicken fat -- I guess chicken was their
most common meat animal.

---

Ohhh... Thanks!

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 10:48 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it? Can I get it
> from a butcher?
>

Julie, this looks like a decent resource for cats with failing
kidneys. It lists many more commercial foods than I'm familiar with:

http://www.felinecrf.com/managd.htm

---

Thanks! I will look.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:39:21 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:49:10 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I rarely buy chicken and only the boneless, skinless kind or canned.
> >
> > So buy a boneless piece of chicken with the skin on. Have the butcher
> > take the bone out if you're that way about handling chicken in
> > general. If you don't like the texture of the skin, have the butcher
> > take that off too. Use a pair of tongs to put it in the skillet or
> > saucepan that you'll use to render the fat. It's not rocket science.
>
> Okay. Thanks!
>
You're very welcome, Julie.

My daughter doesn't like handling raw chicken, but it's not a texture
thing - it sets off her eczema. I think she has drugs for that now
(and husband who will do what she won't/can't), but at one point she
had a box of disposable gloves just for kitchen use.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I need chicken fat for a cat food recipe. Do they sell it? Can I get it
>> from a butcher?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> I just skim and save the fat when I roast or boil a chicken or turkey. I
> used up all my chicken fat last month making soap. I still have a couple
> of pounds of turkey fat; need to find a use for it before it starts
> getting rancid... (it spoils a little faster than beef or pork fat
> because it is more unsaturated; that's also why it is softer)
>
> Chicken leg quarters are usually cheap, and they have a lot of fat. About
> half of it you can just pull off in big glogs, the rest is under the skin.
>
> If you *really* need a lot of poultry fat, buy a whole frozen duck or
> goose and roast it.

I only need a tiny amount but the problem is, we don't really like chicken.
Well, daughter does but only the boneless, skinless kind and she really
prefers canned. So we have no fat.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:47:16 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I have heard that term before but thought that meant like...rendered fat
>> or
>> something. I really don't know. I only need a tiny bit. I'm not even
>> sure
>> the cat will eat the stuff..
>
> If you only need a tiny bit then just buy chicken hind quarters or a
> whole chicken. You and the cat can both eat.

The cat can eat. I don't like chicken.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:01:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> But she doesn't like them and I've been told most cats do not. So the vet
> said to use any means that is low phosphorus as a way to get her to eat
> them. This is why I am adding things to the food that I know she likes.
> And she loves rice and chicken.

I give my cat dry food and buy a new bag before the old one is gone.
I like to change varieties every so often because the cat gets just as
bored eating the same old thing as I do. Anyway, if I buy one he
doesn't like, I can mix the two together gradually diminishing the old
one. By the time I've run out of the old food, he's used to the new
one and I haven't wasted a bag of cat food.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:39:21 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:49:10 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I rarely buy chicken and only the boneless, skinless kind or canned.
>> >
>> > So buy a boneless piece of chicken with the skin on. Have the butcher
>> > take the bone out if you're that way about handling chicken in
>> > general. If you don't like the texture of the skin, have the butcher
>> > take that off too. Use a pair of tongs to put it in the skillet or
>> > saucepan that you'll use to render the fat. It's not rocket science.
>>
>> Okay. Thanks!
>>
> You're very welcome, Julie.
>
> My daughter doesn't like handling raw chicken, but it's not a texture
> thing - it sets off her eczema. I think she has drugs for that now
> (and husband who will do what she won't/can't), but at one point she
> had a box of disposable gloves just for kitchen use.
>
> --

I just got the gloves. I haven't used them yet. I dislike handling raw
meat such as for making meatloaf or balls. It gets under my nails.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vets sell Science Diet which is generally crap.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. None of my pets would ever eat that brand. My vet sells quite a
>>>> few brands.
>>>
>>> Try turkey or lamb flavored babyfood.
>>
>> I had tried that but then got afraid because I didn't know if it was low
>> in phosphorus or not. Still not sure about the lamb and not sure I have
>> seen any lamb baby food. Mostly I see chicken, turkey and ham. I know
>> that ham is no go. She did eat the chicken and turkey. I will have to
>> get more. I ended up giving them to the food bank because I wasn't sure
>> they would be safe. I see now it is not the protein that is the problem
>> but the phosphorus and both of those are low in them. What I do is give
>> her a bite every now and then between meals. She especially loves treats
>> and loves being fed things from a spoon.
>>
>> I got her as a baby. She was very underweight and the vet said she was
>> too little to have been taken from her mom. I fed her kitten milk
>> replacer and kitten food from a spoon. I think she remembers that. She
>> has always loved the spoon. So much so that my niece gave her a little
>> green spoon.
>
> There's a drug for cats called "Renalzin" that binds phosphorus in the
> gut. I have no idea if it's expensive or not, but based on the active
> ingredient it shouldn't be too bad (OTOH, it's made by Bayer...) Did the
> vet prescribe anything like that?
>
Yeah, we discussed that two days ago, the vet and I. He said cats do not
like the taste of it so getting her to eat it could be a problem. Also, I
was having problems getting her to eat enough prior to learning of these
illnesses. She would eat only one kind of food for a while. Always a food
I couldn't find enough of locally. I would mail order cases of it only to
have her refuse to eat it and then do the same with another food. The last
thing she liked was the Royal Canin. The only reason I still have some of
it is that I couldn't find a donation station this winter like they usually
have in several places here. She was also eating something called B.G. I
could get it locally. Just can't remember where. The problem with that is
that it is simply meat. Meant only as a supplement and not a complete diet.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
>>My daughter found a recipe for renal diet for cats. Calls for canned
>>clams,
>>some form of chicken (I forget), a tiny amount of chicken fat, white,
>>rice,
>>some vitamins and maybe some other things I've forgotten. I have not seen
>>the actual recipe. She was just reading it from the online source. I
>>just
>>assumed chicken fat was something you would buy like lard. But I guess
>>I'm
>>wrong. Or I could be wrong.
>
>>What I am trying to do is just to supplement the prescription diet she is
>>on. It is clearly not enough calories for her or something. She is
>>losing
>>weight rapidly. This is a cat who prior to being sick was constantly
>>being
>>chastised by the vet for being overweight.
>
> Chicken fat can be a good way of getting more calories into the
> cat. Ultimately, with my kidney cat, I went the path of dropper-feeding
> him. I would make a slurry of water, wet cat food, and vegetable oil
> and use a 5 cc plastic dropper. The extra calories definitely helped
> the cat thrive for longer.

Thanks!

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:31:00 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

> I used to (before I began traveling again) save all the chicken fat
> globs from the whole chickens I would buy. I would hoard it all in
> the freezer in a ziplock baggie and then render it all when I had a
> lot of it. I am hoping to start that again, when I settle down
> again... Chicken fat can be a wonderful cooking medium.
>
I've almost got enough to cook with. I want to use the "blonde" stuff
for chopped chicken liver, but the fat I rendered browner... I need
ideas for that. Got any to share?

> Usually the fat on the boneless, skinless chicken is minimal...at
> least the ones I have gotten. Thighs seem to have more fat.

She needs only 1T and it doesn't take a lot of fat to render that
amount. A couple of skinless, boneless chicken breasts will have
enough fat still clinging to them for that. If she has the butcher
take off the skin and bag it separately for rendering purposes, she'll
have more than enough fat from one piece and will never need to touch
the skin.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:

>OIC. We eat a lot of chicken here at my house. Just served it last
>night (chicken and peaches). I bought skin on with bones. Deboned
>them myself and saved the bones for stock; took off the skin & fat
>myself and rendered the fat. I prefer making my meals from scratch,
>not opening a can. That way I know what's in it.

I'm avoiding chicken now because it is one of the highest-purine
protein sources.

I've calculated some values of milligrams of purines per gram of
protein:

Chicken 11
Tuna 10
Soybeans 6.5
Common bean 6
Beef 5.5
Garbanzo beans 5
Whole wheat 4
Eggs 2
Almonds 1.5
Dairy 0.8


Steve

On 10 Feb 2011 22:33:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-02-10, sf > wrote:
> > On 10 Feb 2011 15:55:01 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >> I don't know if FF mkts....
>
> > WTF is an FF market? Frankenstein Friends? FM would be Fred Meyer.
>
> Try it as a verb, sweetie.
>
Still not getting it. Guess my mind is too clean. I learned what wtf
meant right here in rfc. I'd never used that term before.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2/10/2011 5:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I thought dogs weren't supposed to have chicken bones because they could
> split?

Just cooked, though I'm skeptical about previously frozen, too. And the
term is "splinter", and cooked bones can splinter if eaten. I think back
bones in chickens are thin and soft enough to be safe. Better than leg
bones.

On 10 Feb 2011 18:52:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2011-02-10, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> are very different from canines, cats are carnivores, dogs are
>> omnivores.
>
>Oh really? Jes what dog breeds have you seen grazing in some field of
>cellulose?

I didn't say herbivores.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:32:04 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:34:47 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote:
>>
>> This thread wasn't that long;
>
>Yes it is.

And I actually have a life... I don't sit at my pc 24/7... I had
things to do today for a couple of hours after my first post. Maybe
if folks didn't trim the important stuff and leave all the dreck.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-02-10, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > Okey dokey.
>
> Not you, Barb. Yer too damn sweet. Practically saccharine sweet.
> Gaggingly sweet. I-think-I'm-gonna-puke sweet!

ME? Not exactly. ME?! I try to be a decent human being. I try to
stay out of internet ****ing contests. I am cynical and sarcastic and I
don't suffer fools easily. I try to ignore the idiots, with only mixed
success. I had five older brothers. My mouth occasionally gets me on
somebody's shitlist, but I come from a long line of people who don't say
what's bothering them so the infraction (usually unintentional) is
stored away until someone blows up and the shit hits the fan. I build
my arsenal so it's available when I want it. I try to apologize when
I've wronged someone, because I hope for an apology when I've been
wronged. Let's see. . . . January 11 is the most recent "event." ME??
Saccharine sweet. That's a new one. Gaggingly sweet. I view *that*
as an insult. LOL!

> Besides, we all take pity on you cuz you live in Minnie-Soda.

Gee, thanks. That almost brings a tear to me eye. We promote our crap
weather because it helps to keep out the riff-raff.

> nb

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > notbob wrote:
> >> Practically saccharine sweet.
> >
> > Why do you think she still drinks TaB? (saccharine is the main flavoring
> > ingredient)

No, it's the main sweetening ingredient. TaB has *natural flavors*!
<eyes roll>

>
> Not any more. Sadly they changed it while I was pregnant.
(snip)
> Now they put Aspartame in it. There is still some saccharine but the
> Aspartame just ruined it for me. Not the same. But not as bad
> as when they put calcium in it.


Ingredients: Carbonated water, caramel color, natural flavors,
phosphoric acid, calcium saccharin, potassium benzoate (to protect
taste) caffeine, aspartame.

More saccharin than aspartame.

Interesting article about it in "Chemical & Engineering News," 6/2004:
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/st...weeteners.html

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller