wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" wrote:
> >A butcher I used to use, said to me one day,"You are very unusual!" I asked
> >why and he said because everyone else asks for very lean meat)
>
> If we are going to have roast beast I phone the butcher a couple of
> weeks beforehand and he will put aside a piece that still has the fat
> on it. I feel roast prime rib just doesn`t have such great flavour
> unless it has cooked with the fat attached - that`s not saying you
> have to eat it, but cook it with the fat.

I agree with you both. When buying just ground beef, I always buy the
higher fat (75% lean) instead of the lean kind (90% lean). The flavor
comes from the fat and when cooking, lots of the fat is rendered out but
it leaves the flavor. Those higher fat burgers taste much better than
the lean ones.

Nicely, the higher fat beef is also the low cost kind. A win-win
situation here.

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 09:10:38 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>> >A butcher I used to use, said to me one day,"You are very unusual!" I asked
>> >why and he said because everyone else asks for very lean meat)
>>
>> If we are going to have roast beast I phone the butcher a couple of
>> weeks beforehand and he will put aside a piece that still has the fat
>> on it. I feel roast prime rib just doesn`t have such great flavour
>> unless it has cooked with the fat attached - that`s not saying you
>> have to eat it, but cook it with the fat.

>
>I agree with you both. When buying just ground beef, I always buy the
>higher fat (75% lean) instead of the lean kind (90% lean).

Me too - that extra lean stuff is like cardboard, zero flavour.

The flavor
>comes from the fat and when cooking, lots of the fat is rendered out but
>it leaves the flavor. Those higher fat burgers taste much better than
>the lean ones.
>
>Nicely, the higher fat beef is also the low cost kind. A win-win
>situation here.

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>
> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>
> N.

You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
not
health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
often. That's the bottom line with food.

No matter what you do, you *will* die.

On 2017-01-09 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>>
>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>>
>> N.
>
> You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
> not
> health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
> often. That's the bottom line with food.
>
> No matter what you do, you *will* die.

There is not a heck of a lot of fat in beef short ribs. It is a tough
meat that needs to be braised to develop flavour and to make them
tender. We used to eat them frequently when we were first married. They
were really cheap, and my wife is the braising queen. I keep an eye out
for them on sale prices because I am not interested in paying almost as
much for steak and having to spend a lot on other ingredients and to go
to all that effort to cook them.

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>>
>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>>
>> N.
>
>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
>not
>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
>often. That's the bottom line with food.
>
>No matter what you do, you *will* die.

Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with èat a little of everything
and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Nancy2 wrote:
>>>
>>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>>>
>>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
>>not
>>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
>>often. That's the bottom line with food.
>>
>>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
>
>Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with èat a little of everything
>and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.

That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 10:46:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 3:28:59 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> > > Isn't pork belly just a huge chunk of uncut bacon? What is there to
> > > eat?
> > > Small
> > > strips of meat among all that gelatinous fat? There is a pic when I
> > > Googled it,
> > > compliments of Gordon Ramsey, and that is what it looks like.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine eating bacon fat like that....my bacon has to be fried
> > > crispy,
> > > brown and thin-cut. If someone put a piece of pork belly in front of
> > > me,
> > > I
> > > would probably gag before taking a bite. Am I wrong about it?
> > >
> > > N.
> >
> > You are right the pork belly is uncured bacon. Americans have a long
> > history
> > of avoiding fat in their meats. The Asians are typically not averse to
> > eating a big hunk of fat. OTOH, I can see trends arising where the
> > situation
> > is reversing. In the future, Asians could be avoiding fatty meat and
> > Americans, not so much.
> >
> > ===================
> >
> > For me, fat gives a lot of flavour. If it is cooked properly, much of that
> > fat cooks out. I will never buy very lean meats.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> I like your way of thinking. This is the golden age for foodies. There's an
> entire generation raised on cooking shows that is open to new ideas and
> techniques. These young people are going to change the foods of the US and
> Europe. Well alright.
>
> =====================
>
> A butcher I used to use, said to me one day,"You are very unusual!" I asked
> why and he said because everyone else asks for very lean meat)
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It's my policy to mostly agree with butchers and other people that are handy with knifes or might have quick access to one.

On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >>Nancy2 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
> >>>
> >>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
> >>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
> >>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
> >>>
> >>> N.
> >>
> >>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
> >>not
> >>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
> >>often. That's the bottom line with food.
> >>
> >>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
> >
> >Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with �at a little of everything
> >and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.
>
> That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.

The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Nancy2 wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>> >>>
>> >>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>> >>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>> >>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>> >>>
>> >>> N.
>> >>
>> >>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
>> >>not
>> >>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
>> >>often. That's the bottom line with food.
>> >>
>> >>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
>> >
>> >Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with ?at a little of everything
>> >and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.
>>
>> That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.
>
>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.

I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
Yes they do have fat in their diet.

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Nancy2 wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>>> >>>
>>> >>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>>> >>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>>> >>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> N.
>>> >>
>>> >>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
>>> >>not
>>> >>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
>>> >>often. That's the bottom line with food.
>>> >>
>>> >>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
>>> >
>>> >Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with ?at a little of everything
>>> >and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.
>>>
>>> That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.
>>
>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>
>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>Yes they do have fat in their diet.

Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
wrong

"The traditional Okinawan diet as described above was widely practiced
on the islands until about the 1960s. Since then, dietary practices
have been shifting towards Western and Japanese patterns, with fat
intake rising from about 6% to 27% of total caloric intake and the
sweet potato being supplanted with rice and bread.[9] This shifting
trend has also coincided with a decrease in longevity, where Okinawans
now have a lower life expectancy than the Japanese average."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Nancy2 wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>> >>>
>> >>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>> >>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>> >>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>> >>>
>> >>> N.
>> >>
>> >>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
>> >>not
>> >>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
>> >>often. That's the bottom line with food.
>> >>
>> >>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
>> >
>> >Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with ?at a little of everything
>> >and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.
>>
>> That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.
>
>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.

The more they eat fat, the younger they die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 10:46:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 3:28:59 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> > > Isn't pork belly just a huge chunk of uncut bacon? What is there to
> > > eat?
> > > Small
> > > strips of meat among all that gelatinous fat? There is a pic when I
> > > Googled it,
> > > compliments of Gordon Ramsey, and that is what it looks like.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine eating bacon fat like that....my bacon has to be fried
> > > crispy,
> > > brown and thin-cut. If someone put a piece of pork belly in front of
> > > me,
> > > I
> > > would probably gag before taking a bite. Am I wrong about it?
> > >
> > > N.
> >
> > You are right the pork belly is uncured bacon. Americans have a long
> > history
> > of avoiding fat in their meats. The Asians are typically not averse to
> > eating a big hunk of fat. OTOH, I can see trends arising where the
> > situation
> > is reversing. In the future, Asians could be avoiding fatty meat and
> > Americans, not so much.
> >
> > ===================
> >
> > For me, fat gives a lot of flavour. If it is cooked properly, much of
> > that
> > fat cooks out. I will never buy very lean meats.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> I like your way of thinking. This is the golden age for foodies. There's
> an
> entire generation raised on cooking shows that is open to new ideas and
> techniques. These young people are going to change the foods of the US and
> Europe. Well alright.
>
> =====================
>
> A butcher I used to use, said to me one day,"You are very unusual!" I
> asked
> why and he said because everyone else asks for very lean meat)
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It's my policy to mostly agree with butchers and other people that are handy
with knifes or might have quick access to one.

================

LOL well thank goodness he wasn't cross with me ... quite admiring in fact
<g>


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:46 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
>>>> >>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
>>>> >>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> N.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
>>>> >>not
>>>> >>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
>>>> >>often. That's the bottom line with food.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
>>>> >
>>>> >Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with ?at a little of everything
>>>> >and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.
>>>>
>>>> That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.
>>>
>>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>>
>>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>>Yes they do have fat in their diet.
>
>Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
>their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
>The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
>wrong

I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>
>"The traditional Okinawan diet as described above was widely practiced
>on the islands until about the 1960s. Since then, dietary practices
>have been shifting towards Western and Japanese patterns, with fat
>intake rising from about 6% to 27% of total caloric intake and the
>sweet potato being supplanted with rice and bread.[9] This shifting
>trend has also coincided with a decrease in longevity, where Okinawans
>now have a lower life expectancy than the Japanese average."
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

wrote:
>
> I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
> right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.

The indigenous people that live above the Arctic Circle also live
long lives and eating whale, seal, walrus blubber and not so many
vegetables. Maybe it's just the extreme cold that keeps them living
so long.

"You don't live longer, it seems like it." heheh

Gary, everyone knows that meat keeps longer in the cold....and we are
made out of meat. ;-))

N.

On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 1:30:10 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:07:37 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:44:42 -0400, wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:07:01 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Nancy2 wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gary, you are welcome to it. ;-))
> >> >>>
> >> >>> it seems to me that it is one of those formerlyreally ignored cuts of meat, or cheap ones,
> >> >>> like short ribs, that seem to have become a fad and risen to the top of menus on a chef's
> >> >>> whim, and nobody wants to be the last to exalt its virtues.....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> N.
> >> >>
> >> >>You render out much of the fat. I'm talking about taste buds here and
> >> >>not
> >> >>health. Eat that wonderful stuff once in awhile, just don't eat it
> >> >>often. That's the bottom line with food.
> >> >>
> >> >>No matter what you do, you *will* die.
> >> >
> >> >Pork belly is a treat here and I stick with ?at a little of everything
> >> >and not too much of anything` has worked very well for me healthwise.
> >>
> >> That's anecdotal. Some chain smokers live until a 100.
> >
> >The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>
> I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
> living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
> Yes they do have fat in their diet.

I have seen these 100 year old folks. It is quite remarkable although I can't imagine myself being that old.

On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:25:43 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 10:46:24 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 3:28:59 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> > > > Isn't pork belly just a huge chunk of uncut bacon? What is there to
> > > > eat?
> > > > Small
> > > > strips of meat among all that gelatinous fat? There is a pic when I
> > > > Googled it,
> > > > compliments of Gordon Ramsey, and that is what it looks like.
> > > >
> > > > I can't imagine eating bacon fat like that....my bacon has to be fried
> > > > crispy,
> > > > brown and thin-cut. If someone put a piece of pork belly in front of
> > > > me,
> > > > I
> > > > would probably gag before taking a bite. Am I wrong about it?
> > > >
> > > > N.
> > >
> > > You are right the pork belly is uncured bacon. Americans have a long
> > > history
> > > of avoiding fat in their meats. The Asians are typically not averse to
> > > eating a big hunk of fat. OTOH, I can see trends arising where the
> > > situation
> > > is reversing. In the future, Asians could be avoiding fatty meat and
> > > Americans, not so much.
> > >
> > > ===================
> > >
> > > For me, fat gives a lot of flavour. If it is cooked properly, much of
> > > that
> > > fat cooks out. I will never buy very lean meats.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> > I like your way of thinking. This is the golden age for foodies. There's
> > an
> > entire generation raised on cooking shows that is open to new ideas and
> > techniques. These young people are going to change the foods of the US and
> > Europe. Well alright.
> >
> > =====================
> >
> > A butcher I used to use, said to me one day,"You are very unusual!" I
> > asked
> > why and he said because everyone else asks for very lean meat)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> It's my policy to mostly agree with butchers and other people that are handy
> with knifes or might have quick access to one.
>
> ================
>
> LOL well thank goodness he wasn't cross with me ... quite admiring in fact
> <g>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Well it is one great piece of meat.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:18:51 -0400, wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:46 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>>>
>>>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>>>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>>>Yes they do have fat in their diet.
>>
>>Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
>>their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
>>The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
>>wrong
>
>I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.

They did. But it is interesting. What made them live long? The lack of
fat? The lack of grains? The sweet potato? All of the above?

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:30:32 -0500, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>> right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>
>The indigenous people that live above the Arctic Circle also live
>long lives and eating whale, seal, walrus blubber and not so many
>vegetables. Maybe it's just the extreme cold that keeps them living
>so long.

That's the thing. Their lifestyle is so different from ours, that it's
hard to say what's keeping them healthy. Maybe their lifestyle is so
healthy that they do well in spite of all the fat, rather than because
of it.

Then it would be the same as Japanese men and smoking.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:58:19 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:30:32 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>>> right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>>
>>The indigenous people that live above the Arctic Circle also live
>>long lives and eating whale, seal, walrus blubber and not so many
>>vegetables. Maybe it's just the extreme cold that keeps them living
>>so long.
>
>That's the thing. Their lifestyle is so different from ours, that it's
>hard to say what's keeping them healthy. Maybe their lifestyle is so
>healthy that they do well in spite of all the fat, rather than because
>of it.

It's a pretty consistent thing across indigenous cultures around the
world. By that I mean those who truly live a traditional lifestyle.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:55:42 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:18:51 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:46 +1100, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>>>>
>>>>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>>>>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>>>>Yes they do have fat in their diet.
>>>
>>>Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
>>>their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
>>>The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
>>>wrong
>>
>>I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>>right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>
>They did. But it is interesting. What made them live long? The lack of
>fat? The lack of grains? The sweet potato? All of the above?

Certainly not the lack of fat in their diet, probably just they didn't
have McDogs for years.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:52:11 -0400, wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:55:42 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:18:51 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:46 +1100, Bruce >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>>>>>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>>>>>Yes they do have fat in their diet.
>>>>
>>>>Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
>>>>their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
>>>>The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
>>>>wrong
>>>
>>>I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>>>right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>>
>>They did. But it is interesting. What made them live long? The lack of
>>fat? The lack of grains? The sweet potato? All of the above?
>
>Certainly not the lack of fat in their diet

But how do you know that?

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:52:11 -0400, wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:55:42 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:18:51 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:46 +1100, Bruce >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>>>>>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>>>>>Yes they do have fat in their diet.
>>>>
>>>>Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
>>>>their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
>>>>The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
>>>>wrong
>>>
>>>I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>>>right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>>
>>They did. But it is interesting. What made them live long? The lack of
>>fat? The lack of grains? The sweet potato? All of the above?
>
>Certainly not the lack of fat in their diet,

Too many people think fat is fat. There's huge health differences
between types of fats.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:14:04 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:52:11 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:55:42 +1100, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:18:51 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:46 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:30:05 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:27:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Okinawan will love fatty pork belly and will eat it most of the time. Oddly enough, they have one of the longest lifespans of humans. I don't suggest that people switch over to fatty meats since it's probably in their genes to live long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know the Okinawans live long lives, 100 is nothing to them. Not 100
>>>>>>living in the nursing home, 100 fully independent. Quite marvellous.
>>>>>>Yes they do have fat in their diet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that the Okinawans are eating a lot more fat, rice and bread,
>>>>>their life expectancy is actually shorter than the Japanese average.
>>>>>The Okinawans don't prove you right. It's more like they prove you
>>>>>wrong
>>>>
>>>>I simply agreed with dsi they live long lives! Not a question of
>>>>right or wrong, they do and are heavily studied because of it.
>>>
>>>They did. But it is interesting. What made them live long? The lack of
>>>fat? The lack of grains? The sweet potato? All of the above?
>>
>>Certainly not the lack of fat in their diet,
>
>Too many people think fat is fat. There's huge health differences
>between types of fats.

Maybe sweet potato instead of rice made them live long.

Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
those traditional lifestyles.

N.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:42:57 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>those traditional lifestyles.

That's another factor. "Sitting is the new smoking." It's hard to say
what's causing longevity. I guess we can all pick and chose, to
support a belief we already had.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 3:43:01 PM UTC-7, Nancy2 wrote:
> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
> those traditional lifestyles.
>
> N.

All the indigenous people that I have known in my long life were no more active than they bloody well had to be. Most were lazy slugs as much as possible.
Perhaps there were other tribes who were more active...but I never saw them.
=====

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:42:57 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
> >Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
> >those traditional lifestyles.
>
> That's another factor. "Sitting is the new smoking." It's hard to say
> what's causing longevity. I guess we can all pick and chose, to
> support a belief we already had.

In your case..."computer usage" could lead to a really short life
because you're always posting it would seem. Must be independently wealthy
or have a working, slaving spouse.
Most likely the latter.
=====

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:27:32 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:42:57 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>> >those traditional lifestyles.
>>
>> That's another factor. "Sitting is the new smoking." It's hard to say
>> what's causing longevity. I guess we can all pick and chose, to
>> support a belief we already had.
>
>In your case..."computer usage" could lead to a really short life
>because you're always posting it would seem. Must be independently wealthy
>or have a working, slaving spouse.
>Most likely the latter.
>=====

Actually, I am the working, slaving spouse. I work on this same
computer. One Alt-Tab and I go from work to rfc or back. Is there a
better mini work break than reading Roy's most recent post?

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:23:15 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 3:43:01 PM UTC-7, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>> those traditional lifestyles.
>>
>> N.
>
>All the indigenous people that I have known in my long life were no more active than they bloody well had to be. Most were lazy slugs as much as possible.
>Perhaps there were other tribes who were more active...but I never saw them.
>=====

If they were lazy, then we'll just say they live long because they
have low stress levels. One way or the other, we'll find an
explanation that confirms what we already thought anyway.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
> those traditional lifestyles.
>
> N.

Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:26:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>> those traditional lifestyles.
>>
>> N.
>
>Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.

There you go. You say they lived long because they had hard lives.
Lucretia thinks it's because of the fat (that they actually ate little
off in those days). I'm guessing it's because of low fat and sweet
potato. We can all have our own party thanks to these people.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:30:35 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:26:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> >> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
> >> those traditional lifestyles.
> >>
> >> N.
> >
> >Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.
>
> There you go. You say they lived long because they had hard lives.
> Lucretia thinks it's because of the fat (that they actually ate little
> off in those days). I'm guessing it's because of low fat and sweet
> potato. We can all have our own party thanks to these people.

Those guy were eating pig meat for quite a while. After all, they were a country of pig farmers. After the war, they had a shortage of pigs. People in Hawaii raised money to buy some pigs for the Okinawans. Once that news got around, people all over the world started sending pigs to Okinawa. It's a rather interesting story.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:30:31 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:26:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>>> those traditional lifestyles.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>>Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.
>
>There you go. You say they lived long because they had hard lives.
>Lucretia thinks it's because of the fat (that they actually ate little
>off in those days). I'm guessing it's because of low fat and sweet
>potato. We can all have our own party thanks to these people.

I never said that at all - I said despite the evil fat (todays
opinion) it didn't seem to do them much harm. Clearly fat and hard
work as a combo was not a bad thing. I don't think the experts know
why it was just a fact, Okinawans generally lived long lives, past 100
and still mobile etc.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:40:31 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:30:35 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:26:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>> >> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>> >> those traditional lifestyles.
>> >>
>> >> N.
>> >
>> >Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.
>>
>> There you go. You say they lived long because they had hard lives.
>> Lucretia thinks it's because of the fat (that they actually ate little
>> off in those days). I'm guessing it's because of low fat and sweet
>> potato. We can all have our own party thanks to these people.
>
>Those guy were eating pig meat for quite a while. After all, they were a country of pig farmers. After the war, they had a shortage of pigs. People in Hawaii raised money to buy some pigs for the Okinawans. Once that news got around, people all over the world started sending pigs to Okinawa. It's a rather interesting story.

We used to stop there en route to or from Tokyo to Hong Kong. When
the Korean war was going strong and US fighters were on the ground we
were supposed to close the blinds and not see anything. Lol, just a
challenge to see as much as possible. While the 'plane refuelled we
went in a black out bus to a canteen, more chance to get a good look
around.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:40:31 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:30:35 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:26:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>> >> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>> >> those traditional lifestyles.
>> >>
>> >> N.
>> >
>> >Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.
>>
>> There you go. You say they lived long because they had hard lives.
>> Lucretia thinks it's because of the fat (that they actually ate little
>> off in those days). I'm guessing it's because of low fat and sweet
>> potato. We can all have our own party thanks to these people.
>
>Those guy were eating pig meat for quite a while. After all, they were a country of pig farmers. After the war, they had a shortage of pigs. People in Hawaii raised money to buy some pigs for the Okinawans. Once that news got around, people all over the world started sending pigs to Okinawa. It's a rather interesting story.

They didn't eat a lot of fat when they had those long lives. As they
increased their fat intake, their life expectancy decreased. They now
have shorter life expectancy than the Japanese.

"The traditional Okinawan diet as described above was widely practiced
on the islands until about the 1960s. Since then, dietary practices
have been shifting towards Western and Japanese patterns, with fat
intake rising from about 6% to 27% of total caloric intake and the
sweet potato being supplanted with rice and bread.[9] This shifting
trend has also coincided with a decrease in longevity, where Okinawans
now have a lower life expectancy than the Japanese average."
(Wiki)

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:54:46 -0400, wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:30:31 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:26:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>>>> those traditional lifestyles.
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>
>>>Those old timers were mostly farmers and laborers. They had a hard life. Life is easier for the Okinawans these days. OTOH, the easy life tends to lead to shorter lifespans. This seems like a mighty fine trade to me, mighty fine.
>>
>>There you go. You say they lived long because they had hard lives.
>>Lucretia thinks it's because of the fat (that they actually ate little
>>off in those days). I'm guessing it's because of low fat and sweet
>>potato. We can all have our own party thanks to these people.
>
>I never said that at all - I said despite the evil fat (todays
>opinion) it didn't seem to do them much harm. Clearly fat and hard
>work as a combo was not a bad thing. I don't think the experts know
>why it was just a fact, Okinawans generally lived long lives, past 100
>and still mobile etc.

Sorry, this made me misunderstand:
Bruce: "What made them live long?"
Lucretia: "Certainly not the lack of fat in their diet"

Where you wrote "Clearly fat and hard work...", you should have
written "Clearly little fat and hard work", if you trust Wikipedia at
least. The more fat they started eating, the shorter their life
expectancy became.

It's interesting though. Since this involves statistical information
about a whole population, it's more indicative than that one 100 year
old who never stopped smoking.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:43:01 PM UTC-6, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
> those traditional lifestyles.
>
> N.
>
>
That's the truth and no processed foods in their diets.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:48:25 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:43:01 PM UTC-6, Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> Long lives among indigenous people can many times be attributed to the extreme physicality required of
>> those traditional lifestyles.
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>That's the truth and no processed foods in their diets.

Yes, that's another one. So we have:

-Physical lifestyle
-No processed foods
-No fast food
-Lots of fat
-Little fat
-Little grains
-Lots of sweet potato

Other possible factors:
-No tax department
-No commercials
-No Ellen Degeneres
-...

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:14:04 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>Too many people think fat is fat. There's huge health differences
>between types of fats.

Yea, I want fat from grass-fed animals only. More Omega-3s and less
Omega-6s than grain-fed animals. Of course, even better is the fat from
wild fish.

Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).