brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
units?

Lee

Storrmmee wrote:
> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
> units?
>
> Lee
>

www.consumerreports.org

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the
> drawer units?
>
> Lee

You might get a better answer in alt.home.repair Stormee. I've found it a
good source when trying to find out what works best and why.

Cheri

thanks, have done research, I was specifically looking for personal
experience from people i know cook and use their kitchen,

Lee
"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee wrote:
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the
>> drawer units?
>>
>> Lee
>
> www.consumerreports.org

thanks a lot, Lee
"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the
>> drawer units?
>>
>> Lee
>
> You might get a better answer in alt.home.repair Stormee. I've found it
> a good source when trying to find out what works best and why.
>
> Cheri
>

Storrmmee wrote:
> thanks, have done research, I was specifically looking for personal
> experience from people i know cook and use their kitchen,

My personal experience is that when I buy the appliances that consumers
report has rated highly, I've been very happy with them.

We remodeled our kitchen 2 years ago and the highest rated dishwasher at
that time was a Sears Kenmore (about $900) and we've been happy with it
since.

thanks, Lee
"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee wrote:
>> thanks, have done research, I was specifically looking for personal
>> experience from people i know cook and use their kitchen,
>
> My personal experience is that when I buy the appliances that consumers
> report has rated highly, I've been very happy with them.
>
> We remodeled our kitchen 2 years ago and the highest rated dishwasher at
> that time was a Sears Kenmore (about $900) and we've been happy with it
> since.

"Storrmmee" > wrote:

>brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
>a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>units?

I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
feature is also it's worst.

There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
washer. It holds a lot of silverware & makes putting it all away a
lot handier than bending over for each handful.

But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
yearly]

It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
drawer when you go to slide it back in.

But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.

Jim

thanks, sometimes the small pitas are worth it, Lee
"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>>brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>>select
>>a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>>units?
>
> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
> feature is also it's worst.
>
> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
> washer. It holds a lot of silverware & makes putting it all away a
> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>
> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
> yearly]
>
> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>
> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>
> Jim

Storrmmee wrote:
>
> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
> units?
>
> Lee

The benefits of the drawer units are that the buyers can look trendy and
that they generate more profits for the manufacturers.

As for conventional dishwashers, once you are out of the bargain
basement models, the differences are mostly cosmetic. If you want a high
temp sanitize cycle, get a model with that feature, if you want a
stainless interior get that, if you want a quiet model, look at sound
ratings. Otherwise, they all clean dishes just fine and have a decent
lifespan.

"Storrmmee" > wrote:

>thanks, sometimes the small pitas are worth it, Lee

Great choice of 'words'. Makes me chuckle because I had originally
written "handiest feature is also its biggest PITA'. For whatever
reason I changed PITA to 'its worst. You got the point, though.<g>

I'll also point out that Goomba said CR likes Kenmore-- which, I
believe, is still made by Whirlpool.

Jim


>"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
.. .
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>>
>>>brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>>>select
>>>a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>>>units?
>>
>> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
>> feature is also it's worst.
>>
>> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
>> washer. It holds a lot of silverware & makes putting it all away a
>> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>>
>> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
>> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
>> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
>> yearly]
>>
>> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
>> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>>
>> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
>> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
>> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>>
>> Jim
>

On 2/28/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>> units?
>
> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
> feature is also it's worst.
>
> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
> washer. It holds a lot of silverware& makes putting it all away a
> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>
> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
> yearly]
>
> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>
> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>
> Jim
We've been Kitchen Aide people for something like 35 years.
However, through those years they have lasted shorter and seems to
clean dishes worse. We've had a Whirlpool for the last 1.5 years
and it cleans better than any of my KAs did. Also, the removable
silverware basket is as described above .... NG. I use it only for
the big stuff ... serving spoons, knifes, ice tea spoons, etc. BTW,
I have also trussed it up with nylon zip ties to keep it from coming
apart. We have a leftover KA basket that is used for the smaller
stuff. It sits just inside the Whirlpool rack. BTW2, I do know
that KAs are now built by Whirlpool. But, my last KA was also from
the Whirlpool factory and it was the worst KA I owned.

Storrmmee wrote:
>
> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
> units?

The two biggest things I looked for last time I bought one -

Does it have a grinder to get rid of the food bits? This greatly
reduces the work in loading it.

What is the noise rating? Quieter is better. Heavily padded costs more
so it's a trade off. Valid the sound level more than you think because
it will be with you for a decade.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> Storrmmee wrote:
> >
> > brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
> > a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
> > units?
>
> The two biggest things I looked for last time I bought one -
>
> Does it have a grinder to get rid of the food bits? This greatly
> reduces the work in loading it.

If you happen to have a septic system vs. city sewer, grinder or not you
should minimize the amount of food particles that go down the drain
instead of into the garbage.

> What is the noise rating? Quieter is better. Heavily padded costs more
> so it's a trade off. Valid the sound level more than you think because
> it will be with you for a decade.

The sound level is a consideration, but you should also consider where
the dishwasher is located relative to living areas and bedrooms. In my
case I tend to start the dishwasher when I'm going to bed, and with the
dishwasher at the opposite end of the house, the sound level is of
minimal concern. If the dishwasher backs up to bedrooms it may well be a
greater concern.

On Feb 28, 12:58 pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
> units?
>
> Lee

Two years ago, we chose the Bosch front-loading unit with the controls
on the front, based mostly on Consumer Reports reliability ratings at
the time. I'd post a model number, but consumer product model numbers
"evolve" over time :-)

Comments:

1) Controls and status lights are on the front, not the top edge, so
we could see what its status was any time. Not as "cool" but seems
more useful.

2) Loudness. When we first tried it, we weren't sure it was even
on. :-) That compared quite favorably to the ancient one it replaced.

3) Regular cycle is quite long (~2 hours) but if you don't have really
caked-on crud on the dishes, the quick cycle is, ah, quick, and works
fine.

4) All-stainless steel interior - looks fine so far and should last a
long time.

5) Seems to be so hot that it makes those printed-picture-on-ceramic
mugs run. That's bad, but the heat is of course good from a
sanitizing standpoint. And it's not so hot that anything plastic on
the top rack deforms or melts.

5) Silvar <- ware (ha, ha!) basket is removable. Aren't they all?

Conclusion: Happy with it. I'd buy it again.

Also: "Drawer" units? Not familiar with these. How easy is it to get
to the lower section?

--
Silvar Beitel
(very occasional poster)

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:21:51 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> thanks, have done research, I was specifically looking for personal
> experience from people i know cook and use their kitchen,
>
> Lee
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Storrmmee wrote:
> >> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
> >> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the
> >> drawer units?
> >>
> >> Lee
> >
> > www.consumerreports.org
>
I'd like to hear about personal experiences too. We have drawer
dishwashers in mind as coming next when the current one has to be
replaced "who knows when".

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:15:13 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Storrmmee wrote:
>>
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>> units?
>>
>> Lee
>
>The benefits of the drawer units are that the buyers can look trendy and
>that they generate more profits for the manufacturers.
>
>As for conventional dishwashers, once you are out of the bargain
>basement models, the differences are mostly cosmetic. If you want a high
>temp sanitize cycle, get a model with that feature, if you want a
>stainless interior get that, if you want a quiet model, look at sound
>ratings. Otherwise, they all clean dishes just fine and have a decent
>lifespan.

All true. The only things I'll add is that a stainless steel interior
is important, plastic schtinks, and to buy from a local dealer that
services what they sell. I bought my Maytag from Sears and paid them
for delivery, installation, and took away the old one, don't remember
the amount but it seemed reasonable, I think like $50, they did an
excellent job setting it up... the service tech insisted I purchase
the new hose kit ($40, free installation), glad I did because the old
hoses were about to burst... almost ten years and I've never needed
service. I think it's difficult to compare how well a dishwasher
cleans, too many user variables; how loaded and how filthy the dishes,
type of cleaning compound, water softness, etc. I have no complaints
with my Maytag.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:47:40 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
> feature is also it's worst.
>
> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
> washer. It holds a lot of silverware & makes putting it all away a
> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>
> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
> yearly]
>
The dishwasher before this one was just fine, but the wheels kept
breaking off the drawers. It was a major PITA.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:15:13 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> The benefits of the drawer units are that the buyers can look trendy and
> that they generate more profits for the manufacturers.

There's more to wanting them than that. It's like having two small
dishwashers and better when it's just two people since we don't put
our pots and pans in there and often have to wait days before running
it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Feb 28, 2:38*pm, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> >thanks, sometimes the small pitas are worth it, Lee
>
> Great choice of 'words'. *Makes me chuckle because I had originally
> written "handiest feature is also its biggest PITA'. *For whatever
> reason I changed PITA to 'its worst. *You got the point, though.<g>
>
> I'll also point out that Goomba said CR *likes Kenmore-- which, I
> believe, is still made by Whirlpool.

Might be Whirlpool...but I saw a NEW Kenmore this weekend at a friends
condo and it is definitely a Bosch. Same controls and front panel as
my four month old Bosch.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:20:47 -0500, Art Todesco >
wrote:

>On 2/28/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
>>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>>> units?
>>
>> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
>> feature is also it's worst.
>>
>> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
>> washer. It holds a lot of silverware& makes putting it all away a
>> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>>
>> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
>> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
>> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
>> yearly]
>>
>> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
>> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>>
>> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
>> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
>> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>>
>> Jim
>We've been Kitchen Aide people for something like 35 years.
>However, through those years they have lasted shorter and seems to
>clean dishes worse. We've had a Whirlpool for the last 1.5 years
>and it cleans better than any of my KAs did. Also, the removable
>silverware basket is as described above .... NG. I use it only for
>the big stuff ... serving spoons, knifes, ice tea spoons, etc. BTW,
>I have also trussed it up with nylon zip ties to keep it from coming
>apart. We have a leftover KA basket that is used for the smaller
>stuff. It sits just inside the Whirlpool rack. BTW2, I do know
>that KAs are now built by Whirlpool. But, my last KA was also from
>the Whirlpool factory and it was the worst KA I owned.

We had KA dishwashers for many years. In the late 90's our quit and
when we went to my favorite appliance store, they suggested against KA
since it had be taken over by Whirlpool. So we bought a Bosch and it
worked so well. And quiet. DH would come into the kitchen to unload
the machine while it was still running. When we moved I listened to
the Maytag from the other end of the house for about a week. The next
trip to VA we bought a new Bosch and DH installed it. I love this
model from 2004 because of the versatility with loading and weird
sized pots and pans. Since I do a lot of preserving I like that I can
put large pots in it and I use the top rack only for washing my
canning jars. DH is very handy and I like that I can order parts,
water pump one time and pieces for the racks.

After checking on the features and reliability the next thing to do is
to look at how you would load your dishes into it. Maybe even take a
few pieces and see if they will fit. If you put your pots and pans
into a dishwasher, take a couple of them to see.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

sf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:15:13 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> > The benefits of the drawer units are that the buyers can look trendy and
> > that they generate more profits for the manufacturers.
>
> There's more to wanting them than that. It's like having two small
> dishwashers and better when it's just two people since we don't put
> our pots and pans in there and often have to wait days before running
> it.

For the price of any of the drawer types, you can get two decent normal
dishwashers to ping-pong between euro style, and still have money
leftover. I'm a single person and have no problem running a normal sized
dishwasher regularly, usually every other day. If you're cramped for
space, that's a different issue.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the
> drawer units?

I got a cheap G.E. Why G.E.? That's what my other appliances are and I
wanted them to match. Why cheap? Because I rarely use mine. My only
concern was where the flatware goes. I have seen some models where it goes
in the top. I know some people here like that, but I didn't think I would.
My only beef is that due to the design of the top basket and its proximity
to the bottom one, I can not use the flatware compartment for my longer
kitchen tools such as mixing spoons and pancake turners. But they do fit
flat in the top and they don't fall through.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:53:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Bill"
> wrote:

>On Feb 28, 2:38*pm, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>> >thanks, sometimes the small pitas are worth it, Lee
>>
>> Great choice of 'words'. *Makes me chuckle because I had originally
>> written "handiest feature is also its biggest PITA'. *For whatever
>> reason I changed PITA to 'its worst. *You got the point, though.<g>
>>
>> I'll also point out that Goomba said CR *likes Kenmore-- which, I
>> believe, is still made by Whirlpool.
>
>Might be Whirlpool...but I saw a NEW Kenmore this weekend at a friends
>condo and it is definitely a Bosch. Same controls and front panel as
>my four month old Bosch.

According to this page-
http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/sears.shtml
If the model number [on the tag] starts with a 110 or 665 it is a
Whirlpool-- 630 makes it a Bosch; 363 is GE; 461 is a Shunde Midea
Mfg. (?); 465 is a Maytag; C110 is an Inglis; C363 is Camco; 587 DM
(Frigidaire).

I don't know how far back you'd need to go for some of those- or if
they are regional. But it is interesting that there are *that* many
Sears DW manufacturers.

Jim

If you consider buying Kenmore/Sears, keep in mind that you'll have Sears to
deal with. How much of your life are you willing to spend battling their
warranty and service? YMMV. Polly

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the
>> drawer units?
>
> I got a cheap G.E. Why G.E.? That's what my other appliances are and I
> wanted them to match. Why cheap? Because I rarely use mine. My only
> concern was where the flatware goes. I have seen some models where it
> goes in the top. I know some people here like that, but I didn't think I
> would. My only beef is that due to the design of the top basket and its
> proximity to the bottom one, I can not use the flatware compartment for my
> longer kitchen tools such as mixing spoons and pancake turners. But they
> do fit flat in the top and they don't fall through.
>

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:24:22 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> For the price of any of the drawer types, you can get two decent normal
> dishwashers to ping-pong between euro style, and still have money
> leftover. I'm a single person and have no problem running a normal sized
> dishwasher regularly, usually every other day. If you're cramped for
> space, that's a different issue.

Our kitchen configuration can't support two full sized dishwashers.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

In article >,
"Storrmmee" > wrote:

> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us select
> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
> units?
>
> Lee

No experience with drawer units. I love my Maytag -- it's probably 8-10
years old and still doing great work.

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:37:12 -0700, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>> No experience with drawer units. I love my Maytag -- it's probably 8-10
>> years old and still doing great work.
>
>In contrast, my Maytag is 6-7 years old and I hate it. It is quite
>noisy and even though I rinse everything carefully, it does not do a
>good job on starchy residue and spreads tiny particles around.

Our three-year old Maytag does an excellent job of cleaning, but the
racks are the cheapest, most fragile junk I've ever seen in a
dishwasher. And replacement parts are extremely expensive, mainly
because they're sold in sub-assemblies only.

I'll never buy another Maytag unless they're improved greatly.

-- Larry

On 28/02/2011 10:37 PM, wrote:

> Our three-year old Maytag does an excellent job of cleaning, but the
> racks are the cheapest, most fragile junk I've ever seen in a
> dishwasher. And replacement parts are extremely expensive, mainly
> because they're sold in sub-assemblies only.
>
> I'll never buy another Maytag unless they're improved greatly.

I have a Maytag fridge, stove and dish washer and I am disappointed in
all of them. My oven door is rusting. Then door handle broke, and the
replacement was $85. The dishwasher does not do a very good job. The
door shelves on the fridge fall out, which led to the top of the butter
keeper breaking. We ordered a new cover a year and a half ago and it
still hasn't come in.

On 2/28/2011 7:28 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
> If you consider buying Kenmore/Sears, keep in mind that you'll have
> Sears to deal with. How much of your life are you willing to spend
> battling their warranty and service? YMMV. Polly

I haven't had a problem with Sears service. However, my last Sears
purchase was a treadmill and I bought the extended warranty and it isn't
handled through Sears. I was very happy when I had to use it just recently.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:46:20 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 2/28/2011 4:28 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > I'd like to hear about personal experiences too. We have drawer
> > dishwashers in mind as coming next when the current one has to be
> > replaced "who knows when".
>
> Same here. After doing some research then posting it here, it may not
> have been a good choice so I still haven't done it. However, I'm
> getting hardwood floors installed next week in living room, dining room
> and hall. I'm so excited!

Yay!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

thanks, i am NOT into just trendy, i want clean dishes and a long life,
thats about it, Lee
"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Storrmmee wrote:
>>
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> select
>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>> units?
>>
>> Lee
>
> The benefits of the drawer units are that the buyers can look trendy and
> that they generate more profits for the manufacturers.
>
> As for conventional dishwashers, once you are out of the bargain
> basement models, the differences are mostly cosmetic. If you want a high
> temp sanitize cycle, get a model with that feature, if you want a
> stainless interior get that, if you want a quiet model, look at sound
> ratings. Otherwise, they all clean dishes just fine and have a decent
> lifespan.

so if i don't mind waiting to run it then i don't need it? Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:15:13 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>> The benefits of the drawer units are that the buyers can look trendy and
>> that they generate more profits for the manufacturers.
>
> There's more to wanting them than that. It's like having two small
> dishwashers and better when it's just two people since we don't put
> our pots and pans in there and often have to wait days before running
> it.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

if i were to go that route i would buy a wp as i detest sears in general,
Lee
"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>>thanks, sometimes the small pitas are worth it, Lee
>
> Great choice of 'words'. Makes me chuckle because I had originally
> written "handiest feature is also its biggest PITA'. For whatever
> reason I changed PITA to 'its worst. You got the point, though.<g>
>
> I'll also point out that Goomba said CR likes Kenmore-- which, I
> believe, is still made by Whirlpool.
>
> Jim
>
>
>>"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>>>>select
>>>>a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>>>>units?
>>>
>>> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
>>> feature is also it's worst.
>>>
>>> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
>>> washer. It holds a lot of silverware & makes putting it all away a
>>> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>>>
>>> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
>>> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
>>> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
>>> yearly]
>>>
>>> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
>>> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>>>
>>> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
>>> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
>>> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>

most interesting, Lee
"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:53:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Bill"
> > wrote:
>
>>On Feb 28, 2:38 pm, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>>> >thanks, sometimes the small pitas are worth it, Lee
>>>
>>> Great choice of 'words'. Makes me chuckle because I had originally
>>> written "handiest feature is also its biggest PITA'. For whatever
>>> reason I changed PITA to 'its worst. You got the point, though.<g>
>>>
>>> I'll also point out that Goomba said CR likes Kenmore-- which, I
>>> believe, is still made by Whirlpool.
>>
>>Might be Whirlpool...but I saw a NEW Kenmore this weekend at a friends
>>condo and it is definitely a Bosch. Same controls and front panel as
>>my four month old Bosch.
>
> According to this page-
> http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/sears.shtml
> If the model number [on the tag] starts with a 110 or 665 it is a
> Whirlpool-- 630 makes it a Bosch; 363 is GE; 461 is a Shunde Midea
> Mfg. (?); 465 is a Maytag; C110 is an Inglis; C363 is Camco; 587 DM
> (Frigidaire).
>
> I don't know how far back you'd need to go for some of those- or if
> they are regional. But it is interesting that there are *that* many
> Sears DW manufacturers.
>
> Jim

thanks, Lee
"Art Todesco" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/28/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>>> select
>>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>>> units?
>>
>> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
>> feature is also it's worst.
>>
>> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
>> washer. It holds a lot of silverware& makes putting it all away a
>> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>>
>> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
>> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
>> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
>> yearly]
>>
>> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
>> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>>
>> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
>> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
>> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>>
>> Jim
> We've been Kitchen Aide people for something like 35 years. However,
> through those years they have lasted shorter and seems to clean dishes
> worse. We've had a Whirlpool for the last 1.5 years and it cleans better
> than any of my KAs did. Also, the removable silverware basket is as
> described above .... NG. I use it only for the big stuff ... serving
> spoons, knifes, ice tea spoons, etc. BTW, I have also trussed it up with
> nylon zip ties to keep it from coming apart. We have a leftover KA basket
> that is used for the smaller stuff. It sits just inside the Whirlpool
> rack. BTW2, I do know that KAs are now built by Whirlpool. But, my last
> KA was also from the Whirlpool factory and it was the worst KA I owned.

thanks, great advice, i loved my w and d from bosch, so i am thrilled to see
i might be able to get a dw from them also, i do the larger pots by hand but
if that was an option i would use the dw, Lee
"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:20:47 -0500, Art Todesco >
> wrote:
>
>>On 2/28/2011 1:47 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>>>> select
>>>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>>>> units?
>>>
>>> I've got a Whirlpool that is about 8 years old. The handiest
>>> feature is also it's worst.
>>>
>>> There is a removable silverware holder that is the full width of the
>>> washer. It holds a lot of silverware& makes putting it all away a
>>> lot handier than bending over for each handful.
>>>
>>> But it is a cheap piece of plastic that has been held together with
>>> zip ties for 5 years or so. [zip ties last about a year in the
>>> conditions of a dishwasher- so I get reminded of the shortcomings
>>> yearly]
>>>
>>> It also has a latch that never worked, except to catch the bottom
>>> drawer when you go to slide it back in.
>>>
>>> But it *does* wash dishes well, has only needed minimal maintenance in
>>> 8 years, and still looks good- if you don't mind a couple or 3 zip
>>> ties on the bottom of the silverware tray.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>We've been Kitchen Aide people for something like 35 years.
>>However, through those years they have lasted shorter and seems to
>>clean dishes worse. We've had a Whirlpool for the last 1.5 years
>>and it cleans better than any of my KAs did. Also, the removable
>>silverware basket is as described above .... NG. I use it only for
>>the big stuff ... serving spoons, knifes, ice tea spoons, etc. BTW,
>>I have also trussed it up with nylon zip ties to keep it from coming
>>apart. We have a leftover KA basket that is used for the smaller
>>stuff. It sits just inside the Whirlpool rack. BTW2, I do know
>>that KAs are now built by Whirlpool. But, my last KA was also from
>>the Whirlpool factory and it was the worst KA I owned.
>
> We had KA dishwashers for many years. In the late 90's our quit and
> when we went to my favorite appliance store, they suggested against KA
> since it had be taken over by Whirlpool. So we bought a Bosch and it
> worked so well. And quiet. DH would come into the kitchen to unload
> the machine while it was still running. When we moved I listened to
> the Maytag from the other end of the house for about a week. The next
> trip to VA we bought a new Bosch and DH installed it. I love this
> model from 2004 because of the versatility with loading and weird
> sized pots and pans. Since I do a lot of preserving I like that I can
> put large pots in it and I use the top rack only for washing my
> canning jars. DH is very handy and I like that I can order parts,
> water pump one time and pieces for the racks.
>
> After checking on the features and reliability the next thing to do is
> to look at how you would load your dishes into it. Maybe even take a
> few pieces and see if they will fit. If you put your pots and pans
> into a dishwasher, take a couple of them to see.
> --
> Susan N.
>
> "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
> 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
> Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

we are on a septic system so i am in the habit of removing foot particles.
in the current design sound is not a great concern as the dw back up agains
the guest bathroom and is in the center of the house going towards the guest
end of the house away from the master bedroom, thanks, Lee
"Pete C." > wrote in message
ster.com...
>
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>> Storrmmee wrote:
>> >
>> > brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> > select
>> > a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>> > units?
>>
>> The two biggest things I looked for last time I bought one -
>>
>> Does it have a grinder to get rid of the food bits? This greatly
>> reduces the work in loading it.
>
> If you happen to have a septic system vs. city sewer, grinder or not you
> should minimize the amount of food particles that go down the drain
> instead of into the garbage.
>
>> What is the noise rating? Quieter is better. Heavily padded costs more
>> so it's a trade off. Valid the sound level more than you think because
>> it will be with you for a decade.
>
> The sound level is a consideration, but you should also consider where
> the dishwasher is located relative to living areas and bedrooms. In my
> case I tend to start the dishwasher when I'm going to bed, and with the
> dishwasher at the opposite end of the house, the sound level is of
> minimal concern. If the dishwasher backs up to bedrooms it may well be a
> greater concern.

thanks so much this is the type of info i was interested in, as to the
drawer units, we have seen them in a few stores, but no sales person could
tell me why i should spend that much more, i am thinking for us its not
worth it, Lee
"Silvar Beitel" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 28, 12:58 pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> select
>> a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with the drawer
>> units?
>>
>> Lee
>
> Two years ago, we chose the Bosch front-loading unit with the controls
> on the front, based mostly on Consumer Reports reliability ratings at
> the time. I'd post a model number, but consumer product model numbers
> "evolve" over time :-)
>
> Comments:
>
> 1) Controls and status lights are on the front, not the top edge, so
> we could see what its status was any time. Not as "cool" but seems
> more useful.
>
> 2) Loudness. When we first tried it, we weren't sure it was even
> on. :-) That compared quite favorably to the ancient one it replaced.
>
> 3) Regular cycle is quite long (~2 hours) but if you don't have really
> caked-on crud on the dishes, the quick cycle is, ah, quick, and works
> fine.
>
> 4) All-stainless steel interior - looks fine so far and should last a
> long time.
>
> 5) Seems to be so hot that it makes those printed-picture-on-ceramic
> mugs run. That's bad, but the heat is of course good from a
> sanitizing standpoint. And it's not so hot that anything plastic on
> the top rack deforms or melts.
>
> 5) Silvar <- ware (ha, ha!) basket is removable. Aren't they all?
>
> Conclusion: Happy with it. I'd buy it again.
>
> Also: "Drawer" units? Not familiar with these. How easy is it to get
> to the lower section?
>
> --
> Silvar Beitel
> (very occasional poster)

one of the reasons i wanted personal experiences from people who actually
cook is that i have found the sales people have no idea there is such a
thing as a stock pot over six quarts, and they have no idea that people
still cann or preserve, lol, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:21:51 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> thanks, have done research, I was specifically looking for personal
>> experience from people i know cook and use their kitchen,
>>
>> Lee
>> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Storrmmee wrote:
>> >> brands/models/features you like or don't like? experiences to help us
>> >> select a unit? Do you know the benifits of or have esperience with
>> >> the
>> >> drawer units?
>> >>
>> >> Lee
>> >
>> > www.consumerreports.org
>>
> I'd like to hear about personal experiences too. We have drawer
> dishwashers in mind as coming next when the current one has to be
> replaced "who knows when".
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.