as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed paper,
and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how you
all would handle this.

space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a fresh
empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
for this purpose...

at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just do
my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
van ran out...

then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...

opinions? ideas? thoughts?

Lee

thanks, one of the things that just frusterates the crap outta me is that i
had a massive grocery list that included brands we liked and places we
bought particular things... it took years to get it in order, and i had just
finished adding a crapload of stuff for costco as we have only been members
for a bit over a year,

Lee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
>> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed
>> paper,
>> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and
>> we
>> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
>> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how
>> you
>> all would handle this.
>>
>> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a
>> fresh
>> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have
>> saved
>> for this purpose...
>>
>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
>> do
>> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
>> van ran out...
>>
>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>
>> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>>
>> Lee
>
> I'd make a list of at least the basics so you don't have to keep running
> to the store, then shop the sales for dinner. ;-)
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
> "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh."
> --Robert Heinlien

On 3/13/2011 8:35 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed paper,
> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how you
> all would handle this.
>
> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a fresh
> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
> for this purpose...
>
> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just do
> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
> van ran out...
>
> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>
> Lee
>
>
I never shop without a list. Prior to going shopping I cruise the pantry
and freezers to see what is missing or is needed. Next step is to go
over the grocery fliers for the week. I generally only shop at one
supermarket and no longer hit the big box stores as there are only the
two of us plus a lap dog. This week the market I shop has baby back ribs
on sale plus porterhouse steaks. Still have a few porterhouse in the big
freezer but no baby back.

I have coupons from my frequent use Mastercard for $35.00 off of $100.00
in groceries, should make that hit today. In addition I have another
$20.00 in coupons for the food stuffs we use regularly and that storage
for awhile doesn't hurt.

I usually go on Sunday morning before the churches let out and Sunday is
also a good day for cruising the used meat bin. Sometimes find a good
bit of top quality meat that is going off its sell by date. Nothing
wrong with the meat so I buy it, sort it out by meal quantities, then
vacuum bag the stuff with the name of the meat and the date sealed on
the bag.

In addition hurricane season is almost upon us, starts the first of
June. I will pick up replacement consumables in cans that can be kept
even if the power goes off. With a gas stove I can still cook and with
the gas grill I can do it outside where it might be a mite cooler.
Planning ahead is the thing.

On Mar 13, 9:35*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed paper,
> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how you
> all would handle this.
>
> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a fresh
> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
> for this purpose...
>
> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just do
> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
> van ran out...
>
> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>
> Lee

Sit down and decide what the next ten meals will be (no daunting task,
I concede) and then list everything needed - esp. staples. But I
wouldn't try to remember every staple you will want eventually. This
will take some time, so I figure tackling 10 days at a time is enough
to handle. Prepare yourself mentally for rather high grocery bill.
Ack.

you have pretty well described my regular shopping habits, except we
generally go to all the stores that have what we want, but we don't shop
every week we only go when there is something on really good offer or we are
totally out of something we must have... what i am mostly interested in is
how you would restock from bare shelves, Lee
"George Shirley" > wrote in message
om...
> On 3/13/2011 8:35 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
>> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed
>> paper,
>> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and
>> we
>> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
>> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how
>> you
>> all would handle this.
>>
>> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a
>> fresh
>> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have
>> saved
>> for this purpose...
>>
>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
>> do
>> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
>> van ran out...
>>
>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>
>> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
> I never shop without a list. Prior to going shopping I cruise the pantry
> and freezers to see what is missing or is needed. Next step is to go over
> the grocery fliers for the week. I generally only shop at one supermarket
> and no longer hit the big box stores as there are only the two of us plus
> a lap dog. This week the market I shop has baby back ribs on sale plus
> porterhouse steaks. Still have a few porterhouse in the big freezer but no
> baby back.
>
> I have coupons from my frequent use Mastercard for $35.00 off of $100.00
> in groceries, should make that hit today. In addition I have another
> $20.00 in coupons for the food stuffs we use regularly and that storage
> for awhile doesn't hurt.
>
> I usually go on Sunday morning before the churches let out and Sunday is
> also a good day for cruising the used meat bin. Sometimes find a good bit
> of top quality meat that is going off its sell by date. Nothing wrong with
> the meat so I buy it, sort it out by meal quantities, then vacuum bag the
> stuff with the name of the meat and the date sealed on the bag.
>
> In addition hurricane season is almost upon us, starts the first of June.
> I will pick up replacement consumables in cans that can be kept even if
> the power goes off. With a gas stove I can still cook and with the gas
> grill I can do it outside where it might be a mite cooler. Planning ahead
> is the thing.

good idea, and i have already started staples as i think of them so i will
know what i need for upcoming meals and things in general should they be on
sale.

I am prepared to be traumatised on the grocery bills, even here in the hotel
we have kept things at a survival level and the first two times we shopped
it was pretty huge, Lee
"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 9:35 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed
> paper,
> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how
> you
> all would handle this.
>
> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a
> fresh
> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
> for this purpose...
>
> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
> do
> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
> van ran out...
>
> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>
> Lee

Sit down and decide what the next ten meals will be (no daunting task,
I concede) and then list everything needed - esp. staples. But I
wouldn't try to remember every staple you will want eventually. This
will take some time, so I figure tackling 10 days at a time is enough
to handle. Prepare yourself mentally for rather high grocery bill.
Ack.

"Storrmmee" > wrote
>
> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
> do my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in
> the van ran out...
>
> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...

I'm not a "list" type of shopper. My guess is, the first time around your
backs and money will give out as you load up on the things normally found in
the kitchen. It won't take long to have a couple hundred pounds of flour,
sugar, coffee, salt, etc. Maybe you can sit down at the computer and do
some shopping for things like spices from Penzeys.

dh and i have discussed ordering on line, and in fact have purchased some
heavier items like laundry supplies on line for the very reason you state, i
was thinking i would hold off on flour and baking supplies until king
aurthor had a free shipping day or a decent sale, Lee
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote
>>
>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
>> do my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in
>> the van ran out...
>>
>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
> I'm not a "list" type of shopper. My guess is, the first time around your
> backs and money will give out as you load up on the things normally found
> in the kitchen. It won't take long to have a couple hundred pounds of
> flour, sugar, coffee, salt, etc. Maybe you can sit down at the computer
> and do some shopping for things like spices from Penzeys.

this seems to be the direction i am leaning, i don't normally plan my menuse
before shopping, but i do plan meals as i read the sale bills, so i guess i
am leaning towards just going back to regularily scheduled programming,
which is
-look at sale bills and write down good sales.
-look in house to see if i need said sale item.
-think about a few meals we can have after purchasing said sale items
-adding anything else to list we need to make said meals.

Lee
"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:25 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
>>around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed
>>paper,
>>and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
>>were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
>>neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how
>>you
>>all would handle this.
>>
>>space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a
>>fresh
>>empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
>>for this purpose...
>>
>>at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
>>do
>>my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
>>van ran out...
>>
>>then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>
>>opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>>
>>Lee
>>
>
> I would think in terms of planning menus for a week or two. The first
> trip you will have to get everything you need for that period. Then
> plan menus for another period and fill in what you need. Toss in a
> few specials or "I'm cravings." I don't think that I would try to
> stock up on everything at one time.
> --
> Susan N.
>
> "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
> 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
> Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:25 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

>as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
>around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed paper,
>and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
>were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
>neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how you
>all would handle this.
>
>space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a fresh
>empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
>for this purpose...
>
>at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just do
>my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
>van ran out...
>
>then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
>opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>
>Lee
>

I would think in terms of planning menus for a week or two. The first
trip you will have to get everything you need for that period. Then
plan menus for another period and fill in what you need. Toss in a
few specials or "I'm cravings." I don't think that I would try to
stock up on everything at one time.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Mar 13, 8:47*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> was thinking i would hold off on flour and baking supplies until king
> aurthor had a free shipping day or a decent sale
Storrmmee, if KAF may have a free shipping day before March 31st and
you intend to stock up then, I have a 10% off coupon for them that can
also be used on the same order. You are welcome to email me for it as
I'm quite stocked up past any March 31st need. Free shipping and/or
this coupon are of no use to me until way past the 31st.
....Picky

thanks, i really appreciate that, but this is one of those things that is
still at least a couple of months off, I am working on it now as i don't
want to have the move in day arrive with no plan, great new house with
fabulous kitchen and... nada to cook, lol, again, thanks, Lee


"JeanineAlyse" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:47 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> was thinking i would hold off on flour and baking supplies until king
> aurthor had a free shipping day or a decent sale
Storrmmee, if KAF may have a free shipping day before March 31st and
you intend to stock up then, I have a 10% off coupon for them that can
also be used on the same order. You are welcome to email me for it as
I'm quite stocked up past any March 31st need. Free shipping and/or
this coupon are of no use to me until way past the 31st.
....Picky

On 3/13/2011 10:23 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote
>>
>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought
>> just do my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and
>> space in the van ran out...
>>
>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
> I'm not a "list" type of shopper. My guess is, the first time around
> your backs and money will give out as you load up on the things normally
> found in the kitchen. It won't take long to have a couple hundred pounds
> of flour, sugar, coffee, salt, etc. Maybe you can sit down at the
> computer and do some shopping for things like spices from Penzeys.

I developed my own computerized list set up according to the aisles in
the store I usually shop in. Speeds up my shopping considerably as I
don't have to wander around hunting things. If that store ever goes
Walmart style and moves the products from aisle to aisle weekly I will
quit shopping there. The store manager assures me it ain't gonna happen
as long as he is there because then he would be confused. The list
contains the stuff we use a lot and has empty cells for things on sale
or that we think we want.

On 3/13/2011 11:38 AM, The Cook wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:25 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
>> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed paper,
>> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and we
>> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess I
>> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how you
>> all would handle this.
>>
>> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a fresh
>> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
>> for this purpose...
>>
>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just do
>> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
>> van ran out...
>>
>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>
>> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>
> I would think in terms of planning menus for a week or two. The first
> trip you will have to get everything you need for that period. Then
> plan menus for another period and fill in what you need. Toss in a
> few specials or "I'm cravings." I don't think that I would try to
> stock up on everything at one time.

Oh yeah, don't shop on an empty stomach, tends to make you buy things
you would like to eat right now. That's why my Dear Wife seldom shops
with me, I end up coming home with a bag of stuff that wasn't on my
list. <G>

that is how my lists for kroger and aldi were set up, man i am gonna miss
that list, Lee
"George Shirley" > wrote in message
om...
> On 3/13/2011 10:23 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote
>>>
>>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought
>>> just do my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and
>>> space in the van ran out...
>>>
>>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>
>> I'm not a "list" type of shopper. My guess is, the first time around
>> your backs and money will give out as you load up on the things normally
>> found in the kitchen. It won't take long to have a couple hundred pounds
>> of flour, sugar, coffee, salt, etc. Maybe you can sit down at the
>> computer and do some shopping for things like spices from Penzeys.
>
> I developed my own computerized list set up according to the aisles in the
> store I usually shop in. Speeds up my shopping considerably as I don't
> have to wander around hunting things. If that store ever goes Walmart
> style and moves the products from aisle to aisle weekly I will quit
> shopping there. The store manager assures me it ain't gonna happen as long
> as he is there because then he would be confused. The list contains the
> stuff we use a lot and has empty cells for things on sale or that we think
> we want.

and in a new house with new stuff to cook it on i can see this being an
expensive situaion, Lee
"George Shirley" > wrote in message
om...
> On 3/13/2011 11:38 AM, The Cook wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:25 -0500, "Storrmmee"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> as i said in another post, i dreamed the other night that i was walking
>>> around costco with a seven pound printed grocery list on tractor feed
>>> paper,
>>> and a worker caught the edge of the trailing paper with his dustmop and
>>> we
>>> were running around the store trying to get the list back... so i guess
>>> I
>>> neeed to start thinking about restocking the house, I was wondering how
>>> you
>>> all would handle this.
>>>
>>> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a
>>> fresh
>>> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have
>>> saved
>>> for this purpose...
>>>
>>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
>>> do
>>> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in
>>> the
>>> van ran out...
>>>
>>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>>
>>> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>
>> I would think in terms of planning menus for a week or two. The first
>> trip you will have to get everything you need for that period. Then
>> plan menus for another period and fill in what you need. Toss in a
>> few specials or "I'm cravings." I don't think that I would try to
>> stock up on everything at one time.
>
> Oh yeah, don't shop on an empty stomach, tends to make you buy things you
> would like to eat right now. That's why my Dear Wife seldom shops with me,
> I end up coming home with a bag of stuff that wasn't on my list. <G>

"Storrmmee" wrote

> totally out of something we must have... what i am mostly interested in is
> how you would restock from bare shelves, Lee

Lee, this is something those of us military (or spouse of military) are used
to. There's no total right or wrong answer to it. One good way to start,
since you do have some stuff now, is make a list of what you have. You can
(and should) do this before the move. Here's a system that uses 3 sheets of
paper and helps you clarify ahead of time, what to get and what to not
bother with at the start.

Pad of paper, draw a line down the middle then make a cross bar so you have
4 squares. Label one side 'have' and other side 'want'.

Go in each room, and make a talley. Laundry room, bathroom, Cleaning
supplies, toilet paper, shampoos, towels, sheets etc. Jot down things you
have on one side, and things you 'want' on the other. You should be able to
get the bathroom/towels/sheets and cleaning lists on one sheet. If you
can't, trim your 'want' list. If having trouble trimming the 'want' side,
start adding up estimated prices.

Next, move to the kitchen area. This time, make the same cross pattern but
on the 'have' side you will first list what appliances you have and what
pots and pans etc. To the left in the 'wanted' list *essential* cookery
you've been doing without because you couldn't store it in the hotel room.
This should be things you consider really essential, 'requirements not
desirements'. Boron for example would have a loaf pan or so here and
probably a set of measuring cups, perhaps a serrated bread knife. I would
have a crockpot and possibly a breadmaker and a rice maker. Dont forget the
can opener on the 'have' side! If you've been using something the hotel
provided, it's a definate 'wanted'.

Ok, bottom set same sheet. Canned and other dry goods on the 'have' side.
Now, put that sheet to the side where DH can see it. Start a 3rd sheet.
Label this one 'food need' and 'food want'. In the need column, using
*only* the equipment you HAVE NOW, list foods you commonly eat and can make
with little fuss. Keep this to a week's worth max. On the 'want' side,
have fun and list things you use not all that often. Don't be surprised as
you do this is you find some things need to move sides (pencils are your
friend!).

Survey the 2 sheets. The empty block on the second one with your cooking
gear next to the staples you have? You are going to start writing the names
of recipes that you can make with your existing gear and minimal added side
items to buy. At this stage, I actually use MealMaster to mark recipes and
let the software build me a shopping list. (Thats the cooking software I
sent you that your screen reader didn't like that much).

Now, whip out a highlighter and take sheet 3 and highlight what you need to
*buy* to make those recipes, adding at need. Columns no longer matter so
much on sheet 3 at this stage. This along with sheet 1 becomes your
shopping list. Sheet 2 will have a few essential bits of gear you need.

It sounds complex but this is a way to not miss the obvious (get in new
house, have no toilet paper. Have 4 bottles of hair conditioner and only
enough shampoo for 1 day or oops, hotel was providing the shampoo).

You'll note I did not survey the fridge contents. Thats because you'll not
want to have much in there and the little bits, will be a small assortment
probably not worth noting or toting.

Lord Lee, I've done this *so* many times. Many times my 'have' list was
just what I could carry in a suitcase through the airport. BTDT 4 times
now.

On Mar 13, 6:35*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:

If you are starting from scratch to stock your pantry, here's a list I
came up with.

http://hizzoners.com/cooking-tips/24...ng-your-pantry

hopefully it will give you some ideas.

You will be spending quite a chunk of change if you are stocking from
empty, so hitch up your britches !!

thanks that is very useful, and while reading i ran through it in my head,
we have very little of our own here as hotel provides cookware along with
dishes and shampoo, but it really makes sense, and can be done in small
chunks and i think i can write it on the computer in a way dh can understand
what i am doing, and if not it still gave me things to consider, Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "Storrmmee" wrote
>
>> totally out of something we must have... what i am mostly interested in
>> is how you would restock from bare shelves, Lee
>
> Lee, this is something those of us military (or spouse of military) are
> used to. There's no total right or wrong answer to it. One good way to
> start, since you do have some stuff now, is make a list of what you have.
> You can (and should) do this before the move. Here's a system that uses 3
> sheets of paper and helps you clarify ahead of time, what to get and what
> to not bother with at the start.
>
> Pad of paper, draw a line down the middle then make a cross bar so you
> have 4 squares. Label one side 'have' and other side 'want'.
>
> Go in each room, and make a talley. Laundry room, bathroom, Cleaning
> supplies, toilet paper, shampoos, towels, sheets etc. Jot down things you
> have on one side, and things you 'want' on the other. You should be able
> to get the bathroom/towels/sheets and cleaning lists on one sheet. If you
> can't, trim your 'want' list. If having trouble trimming the 'want' side,
> start adding up estimated prices.
>
> Next, move to the kitchen area. This time, make the same cross pattern
> but on the 'have' side you will first list what appliances you have and
> what pots and pans etc. To the left in the 'wanted' list *essential*
> cookery you've been doing without because you couldn't store it in the
> hotel room. This should be things you consider really essential,
> 'requirements not desirements'. Boron for example would have a loaf pan
> or so here and probably a set of measuring cups, perhaps a serrated bread
> knife. I would have a crockpot and possibly a breadmaker and a rice
> maker. Dont forget the can opener on the 'have' side! If you've been
> using something the hotel provided, it's a definate 'wanted'.
>
> Ok, bottom set same sheet. Canned and other dry goods on the 'have' side.
> Now, put that sheet to the side where DH can see it. Start a 3rd sheet.
> Label this one 'food need' and 'food want'. In the need column, using
> *only* the equipment you HAVE NOW, list foods you commonly eat and can
> make with little fuss. Keep this to a week's worth max. On the 'want'
> side, have fun and list things you use not all that often. Don't be
> surprised as you do this is you find some things need to move sides
> (pencils are your friend!).
>
> Survey the 2 sheets. The empty block on the second one with your cooking
> gear next to the staples you have? You are going to start writing the
> names of recipes that you can make with your existing gear and minimal
> added side items to buy. At this stage, I actually use MealMaster to mark
> recipes and let the software build me a shopping list. (Thats the cooking
> software I sent you that your screen reader didn't like that much).
>
> Now, whip out a highlighter and take sheet 3 and highlight what you need
> to *buy* to make those recipes, adding at need. Columns no longer matter
> so much on sheet 3 at this stage. This along with sheet 1 becomes your
> shopping list. Sheet 2 will have a few essential bits of gear you need.
>
> It sounds complex but this is a way to not miss the obvious (get in new
> house, have no toilet paper. Have 4 bottles of hair conditioner and only
> enough shampoo for 1 day or oops, hotel was providing the shampoo).
>
> You'll note I did not survey the fridge contents. Thats because you'll
> not want to have much in there and the little bits, will be a small
> assortment probably not worth noting or toting.
>
> Lord Lee, I've done this *so* many times. Many times my 'have' list was
> just what I could carry in a suitcase through the airport. BTDT 4 times
> now.

pretty much all gone, some things in the kitchen were salvaged but not a
lot, and until we go through that we essentailly know we don't need dishes,
and we do have cast iron to cook in, but no utensiles,... i am focusing on
groceries and supplies because i know that beyond what we have here there is
nothing else,

Lee
"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:10:19 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>"Storrmmee" wrote
>>
>>> totally out of something we must have... what i am mostly interested in
>>> is
>>> how you would restock from bare shelves, Lee
>>
>>Lee, this is something those of us military (or spouse of military) are
>>used
>>to. There's no total right or wrong answer to it. One good way to
>>start,
>>since you do have some stuff now, is make a list of what you have. You
>>can
>>(and should) do this before the move. Here's a system that uses 3 sheets
>>of
>>paper and helps you clarify ahead of time, what to get and what to not
>>bother with at the start.
>>
>>Pad of paper, draw a line down the middle then make a cross bar so you
>>have
>>4 squares. Label one side 'have' and other side 'want'.
>>
>>Go in each room, and make a talley. Laundry room, bathroom, Cleaning
>>supplies, toilet paper, shampoos, towels, sheets etc. Jot down things you
>>have on one side, and things you 'want' on the other. You should be able
>>to
>>get the bathroom/towels/sheets and cleaning lists on one sheet. If you
>>can't, trim your 'want' list. If having trouble trimming the 'want' side,
>>start adding up estimated prices.
>>
>>Next, move to the kitchen area. This time, make the same cross pattern
>>but
>>on the 'have' side you will first list what appliances you have and what
>>pots and pans etc. To the left in the 'wanted' list *essential* cookery
>>you've been doing without because you couldn't store it in the hotel room.
>>This should be things you consider really essential, 'requirements not
>>desirements'. Boron for example would have a loaf pan or so here and
>>probably a set of measuring cups, perhaps a serrated bread knife. I would
>>have a crockpot and possibly a breadmaker and a rice maker. Dont forget
>>the
>>can opener on the 'have' side! If you've been using something the hotel
>>provided, it's a definate 'wanted'.
>>
>>Ok, bottom set same sheet. Canned and other dry goods on the 'have' side.
>>Now, put that sheet to the side where DH can see it. Start a 3rd sheet.
>>Label this one 'food need' and 'food want'. In the need column, using
>>*only* the equipment you HAVE NOW, list foods you commonly eat and can
>>make
>>with little fuss. Keep this to a week's worth max. On the 'want' side,
>>have fun and list things you use not all that often. Don't be surprised
>>as
>>you do this is you find some things need to move sides (pencils are your
>>friend!).
>>
>>Survey the 2 sheets. The empty block on the second one with your cooking
>>gear next to the staples you have? You are going to start writing the
>>names
>>of recipes that you can make with your existing gear and minimal added
>>side
>>items to buy. At this stage, I actually use MealMaster to mark recipes
>>and
>>let the software build me a shopping list. (Thats the cooking software I
>>sent you that your screen reader didn't like that much).
>>
>>Now, whip out a highlighter and take sheet 3 and highlight what you need
>>to
>>*buy* to make those recipes, adding at need. Columns no longer matter so
>>much on sheet 3 at this stage. This along with sheet 1 becomes your
>>shopping list. Sheet 2 will have a few essential bits of gear you need.
>>
>>It sounds complex but this is a way to not miss the obvious (get in new
>>house, have no toilet paper. Have 4 bottles of hair conditioner and only
>>enough shampoo for 1 day or oops, hotel was providing the shampoo).
>>
>>You'll note I did not survey the fridge contents. Thats because you'll
>>not
>>want to have much in there and the little bits, will be a small assortment
>>probably not worth noting or toting.
>>
>>Lord Lee, I've done this *so* many times. Many times my 'have' list was
>>just what I could carry in a suitcase through the airport. BTDT 4 times
>>now.
>
>
> Small problem. Their house burned, I gather completely. She is
> starting from ground zero.
> --
> Susan N.
>
> "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
> 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
> Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

thanks, saved in the look up file, should at least jog my memory...

here at the hotel the only thing i can say is a staple is a bag of flour and
a jar of yeast, i have exactly what amounts to one regular sized cabinet for
dishes and two for food... not bad for a hotel but not a lot of room so we
are flying on short supplies,

again thanks,

Lee
"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 6:35 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:

If you are starting from scratch to stock your pantry, here's a list I
came up with.

http://hizzoners.com/cooking-tips/24...ng-your-pantry

hopefully it will give you some ideas.

You will be spending quite a chunk of change if you are stocking from
empty, so hitch up your britches !!

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:44:41 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
> > van ran out...
> >
> > then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
> >
> > opinions? ideas? thoughts?
> >
> > Lee
>
> I'd make a list of at least the basics so you don't have to keep running
> to the store, then shop the sales for dinner. ;-)

Space has a way of filling itself up, doesn't it? I agree, basics
only! And that includes herbs and spices. I have many, but I have
only a few that I use daily/weekly. I finally used up my chervil, for
instance, but won't buy any until the next time I need it (who knows
when).

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

we have been studiously avoiding spices and its been very hard, not only do
we not have space for much, its so dry in here i know they would loose
flavor quickly, have been seasoining with some pretty weird stuff but since
we both know its temporary store broth and canned soups will do right now,
Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:44:41 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>>
>> > van ran out...
>> >
>> > then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>> >
>> > opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>> >
>> > Lee
>>
>> I'd make a list of at least the basics so you don't have to keep running
>> to the store, then shop the sales for dinner. ;-)
>
> Space has a way of filling itself up, doesn't it? I agree, basics
> only! And that includes herbs and spices. I have many, but I have
> only a few that I use daily/weekly. I finally used up my chervil, for
> instance, but won't buy any until the next time I need it (who knows
> when).
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:25 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> I was wondering how you all would handle this.
>
> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a fresh
> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have saved
> for this purpose...
>
> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just do
> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
> van ran out...
>
> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>
> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>
I'm with Om about just the basics, but frankly I couldn't tell you
what your basics are, because basics are for the way *you* cook. Or
is it your husband? For instance, garlic of all types is a must in my
house, but you might hate garlic. I want flour and sugar on hand at
all times, but maybe you don't bake. I want cans of different types
of tomato on hand at all times, but maybe you don't make many recipes
that call for tomato. I need fresh onions and potatoes on hand at all
times, I also need rice and pasta - but maybe you don't. See what I
mean?

You seem to be a list maker and the menu designer, so look at what you
were cooking on a regular basis before and take it from there. Just
don't get carried away. Enjoy having some free shelf space for a
change. The grocery store is well stocked and a short trip away if
you need anything, you don't have to hunker down for any reason.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:57:14 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> thanks, one of the things that just frusterates the crap outta me is that i
> had a massive grocery list that included brands we liked and places we
> bought particular things... it took years to get it in order, and i had just
> finished adding a crapload of stuff for costco as we have only been members
> for a bit over a year,

When you build your list this time, copy it to a Google Doc and that
will never happen again.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:10:19 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:

>"Storrmmee" wrote
>
>> totally out of something we must have... what i am mostly interested in is
>> how you would restock from bare shelves, Lee
>
>Lee, this is something those of us military (or spouse of military) are used
>to. There's no total right or wrong answer to it. One good way to start,
>since you do have some stuff now, is make a list of what you have. You can
>(and should) do this before the move. Here's a system that uses 3 sheets of
>paper and helps you clarify ahead of time, what to get and what to not
>bother with at the start.
>
>Pad of paper, draw a line down the middle then make a cross bar so you have
>4 squares. Label one side 'have' and other side 'want'.
>
>Go in each room, and make a talley. Laundry room, bathroom, Cleaning
>supplies, toilet paper, shampoos, towels, sheets etc. Jot down things you
>have on one side, and things you 'want' on the other. You should be able to
>get the bathroom/towels/sheets and cleaning lists on one sheet. If you
>can't, trim your 'want' list. If having trouble trimming the 'want' side,
>start adding up estimated prices.
>
>Next, move to the kitchen area. This time, make the same cross pattern but
>on the 'have' side you will first list what appliances you have and what
>pots and pans etc. To the left in the 'wanted' list *essential* cookery
>you've been doing without because you couldn't store it in the hotel room.
>This should be things you consider really essential, 'requirements not
>desirements'. Boron for example would have a loaf pan or so here and
>probably a set of measuring cups, perhaps a serrated bread knife. I would
>have a crockpot and possibly a breadmaker and a rice maker. Dont forget the
>can opener on the 'have' side! If you've been using something the hotel
>provided, it's a definate 'wanted'.
>
>Ok, bottom set same sheet. Canned and other dry goods on the 'have' side.
>Now, put that sheet to the side where DH can see it. Start a 3rd sheet.
>Label this one 'food need' and 'food want'. In the need column, using
>*only* the equipment you HAVE NOW, list foods you commonly eat and can make
>with little fuss. Keep this to a week's worth max. On the 'want' side,
>have fun and list things you use not all that often. Don't be surprised as
>you do this is you find some things need to move sides (pencils are your
>friend!).
>
>Survey the 2 sheets. The empty block on the second one with your cooking
>gear next to the staples you have? You are going to start writing the names
>of recipes that you can make with your existing gear and minimal added side
>items to buy. At this stage, I actually use MealMaster to mark recipes and
>let the software build me a shopping list. (Thats the cooking software I
>sent you that your screen reader didn't like that much).
>
>Now, whip out a highlighter and take sheet 3 and highlight what you need to
>*buy* to make those recipes, adding at need. Columns no longer matter so
>much on sheet 3 at this stage. This along with sheet 1 becomes your
>shopping list. Sheet 2 will have a few essential bits of gear you need.
>
>It sounds complex but this is a way to not miss the obvious (get in new
>house, have no toilet paper. Have 4 bottles of hair conditioner and only
>enough shampoo for 1 day or oops, hotel was providing the shampoo).
>
>You'll note I did not survey the fridge contents. Thats because you'll not
>want to have much in there and the little bits, will be a small assortment
>probably not worth noting or toting.
>
>Lord Lee, I've done this *so* many times. Many times my 'have' list was
>just what I could carry in a suitcase through the airport. BTDT 4 times
>now.


Small problem. Their house burned, I gather completely. She is
starting from ground zero.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

thanks i needed to read this, you made me lol,

first off what is your address i will be over to shop in YOUR pantry as it
has all the food groups i am interested in it seems...

i design most of our meals, and recipes, the dh does the physical cooking as
he is not only excellent at it he enjoys it, i have no problem cleaning the
kitchen so we have a great division of labor... i do occasionally cook when
he is doing something that i know he will be tired from or when he is ill or
when like the other day i had an idea for a clam sauce like substance and
knew i couldn't explain to dh what i wanted because i had also been thinking
of two other meals and making the clam sauce would require things from the
first two meals,... so i got up and made all three meals as far as they
would go because it was easier, then when it came to meals two and three it
was explainable...

and the last lol is that when we get back into the house, the closest
grocery i trust to not have mold on what i get is eighteen miles away, which
might be part of my anxiety...

again, thanks, you have made my day,

Lee, expecting that adress any minute now
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:25 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> I was wondering how you all would handle this.
>>
>> space/money are down the lists of consideration because we will have a
>> fresh
>> empty pantry and i will have my regular food budget plus some i have
>> saved
>> for this purpose...
>>
>> at first i thought a massive list wasn't a bad idea, then i thought just
>> do
>> my regular routine and shop until the money or our backs and space in the
>> van ran out...
>>
>> then i thought maybe i need a list of staples to start with...
>>
>> opinions? ideas? thoughts?
>>
> I'm with Om about just the basics, but frankly I couldn't tell you
> what your basics are, because basics are for the way *you* cook. Or
> is it your husband? For instance, garlic of all types is a must in my
> house, but you might hate garlic. I want flour and sugar on hand at
> all times, but maybe you don't bake. I want cans of different types
> of tomato on hand at all times, but maybe you don't make many recipes
> that call for tomato. I need fresh onions and potatoes on hand at all
> times, I also need rice and pasta - but maybe you don't. See what I
> mean?
>
> You seem to be a list maker and the menu designer, so look at what you
> were cooking on a regular basis before and take it from there. Just
> don't get carried away. Enjoy having some free shelf space for a
> change. The grocery store is well stocked and a short trip away if
> you need anything, you don't have to hunker down for any reason.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

i will look into that, i truly hope i won't have to deal with anything like
this ever again, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:57:14 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> thanks, one of the things that just frusterates the crap outta me is that
>> i
>> had a massive grocery list that included brands we liked and places we
>> bought particular things... it took years to get it in order, and i had
>> just
>> finished adding a crapload of stuff for costco as we have only been
>> members
>> for a bit over a year,
>
> When you build your list this time, copy it to a Google Doc and that
> will never happen again.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:26:07 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> we have been studiously avoiding spices and its been very hard, not only do
> we not have space for much, its so dry in here i know they would loose
> flavor quickly, have been seasoining with some pretty weird stuff but since
> we both know its temporary store broth and canned soups will do right now,

I keep everything that I don't use daily in the refrigerator and
believe me, a lot of refrigerator space is devoted to herbs and
spices.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

one of the decisions we have made is to have an all refrig unit and an all
freezer with icemaker unit for this very reason, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:26:07 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> we have been studiously avoiding spices and its been very hard, not only
>> do
>> we not have space for much, its so dry in here i know they would loose
>> flavor quickly, have been seasoining with some pretty weird stuff but
>> since
>> we both know its temporary store broth and canned soups will do right
>> now,
>
> I keep everything that I don't use daily in the refrigerator and
> believe me, a lot of refrigerator space is devoted to herbs and
> spices.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:59:20 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> i am focusing on
> groceries and supplies because i know that beyond what we have here there is
> nothing else,

Does your husband do the cooking or you? He might have some
preferences.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:59:20 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> i am focusing on
> groceries and supplies because i know that beyond what we have here there is
> nothing else,

Buy utensils etc. as you need them. Don't buy a potato masher until
you want to make mashed potatoes. Don't buy a rolling pin until you
want to make pie. One bite at a time, Lee!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

he does the majority of the cooking i do most of the meal planning and
recipe design... we have been together for thirty years, i will be able to
take his preferences into account, we are so in tune on food if one of us
tastes something we can tell the other one to not eat if because we know the
other one won't like it, Lee, the lucky
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:59:20 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> i am focusing on
>> groceries and supplies because i know that beyond what we have here there
>> is
>> nothing else,
>
> Does your husband do the cooking or you? He might have some
> preferences.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"Storrmmee" wrote

> thanks that is very useful, and while reading i ran through it in my head,
> we have very little of our own here as hotel provides cookware along with
> dishes and shampoo, but it really makes sense, and can be done in small
> chunks and i think i can write it on the computer in a way dh can
> understand what i am doing, and if not it still gave me things to
> consider, Lee

Yup! It dosen't have to be sectioned paper, that's just a way that worked
for me as I'd walk about the place. The important part is it lets you do a
little something *now* to look over the situation then bring it down to less
overwhelming.

Without this method, it's real easy to forget all the things the hotel is
providing. Because it starts based on what YOU own, it's easier to not
forget the can opener, the large pasta pot and things like that. You can
expand *later* with fancy stuff but starting the cookery list with what you
HAVE prevents you from buying something you now have to go out and get
before you can even cook it.

It also accounts for a total need, adding towels and things. Bar of soap
for the tub, bathroom sinks, kitchen? What's probably bothering you in the
back of your mind is the shere volume without any method to plan for it.
Once you start laying it out a bit, it's still a big load but no longer so
overwhelming.

If it helps any, here's my list from when we got back stateside with nothing
but 3 backpacks and 3 small suitcases. I'd hurt my back so it was planned
out to cover Charlotte (then 13) and Don carting it all at need.

Onhand (Have)
3 small lidded tupperware containers, microwavable, (stuffed with socks and
small toy bits)
3 microwavable lightweight plastic 'coffee cups'
Uniforms basics (mailed myself a box to next work location)
1lb roughly of my more expensive spices, in zip lock baggies to cut the
weight
1 can opener, quality manual
2 washcloths, 2 towels, and 2 blankets (very light weight, used on airplane)
Small bottle woolite
3 changes of clothes (plus set worn)
1 spare set of shoes (besides set on feet)
16 DVDs plus mini DVD player
Thinkpad laptop with modem and phone cable

Innmediate BUY:

3 pillows
2 air matresses
9-12 inch frying pan with a deepish lip
Paper plates and plastic fork/spoon/kife set
Hand dishwashing liquid
3 cell phones
Bottle of bodywash (there's a male one that does hair and conditioner and
bodywash in one)
3 high class microwave dinners (have reusable plates!)
1 sharp medium small knife
Canned foods
TV
Car

The rest, followed at set times as we got to our house.

good point
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:59:20 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> i am focusing on
>> groceries and supplies because i know that beyond what we have here there
>> is
>> nothing else,
>
> Buy utensils etc. as you need them. Don't buy a potato masher until
> you want to make mashed potatoes. Don't buy a rolling pin until you
> want to make pie. One bite at a time, Lee!
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

thanks that is also helpful, as we were able to salvage things and i packed
them i wrote inventory lists so i know what i have in those boxes, and they
are all in storage and he can retreive a box by number for a specific item,
the stuff that had to get the fire damage off is coming up soon to be
inspected so that is nother task that while overwhelming will help me to see
what was saved, some of what they took might not have lived thorough the
cleaning so thats another list for the ins co.

Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
news
> "Storrmmee" wrote
>
>> thanks that is very useful, and while reading i ran through it in my
>> head, we have very little of our own here as hotel provides cookware
>> along with dishes and shampoo, but it really makes sense, and can be done
>> in small chunks and i think i can write it on the computer in a way dh
>> can understand what i am doing, and if not it still gave me things to
>> consider, Lee
>
> Yup! It dosen't have to be sectioned paper, that's just a way that worked
> for me as I'd walk about the place. The important part is it lets you do
> a little something *now* to look over the situation then bring it down to
> less overwhelming.
>
> Without this method, it's real easy to forget all the things the hotel is
> providing. Because it starts based on what YOU own, it's easier to not
> forget the can opener, the large pasta pot and things like that. You can
> expand *later* with fancy stuff but starting the cookery list with what
> you HAVE prevents you from buying something you now have to go out and get
> before you can even cook it.
>
> It also accounts for a total need, adding towels and things. Bar of soap
> for the tub, bathroom sinks, kitchen? What's probably bothering you in
> the back of your mind is the shere volume without any method to plan for
> it. Once you start laying it out a bit, it's still a big load but no
> longer so overwhelming.
>
> If it helps any, here's my list from when we got back stateside with
> nothing but 3 backpacks and 3 small suitcases. I'd hurt my back so it was
> planned out to cover Charlotte (then 13) and Don carting it all at need.
>
> Onhand (Have)
> 3 small lidded tupperware containers, microwavable, (stuffed with socks
> and small toy bits)
> 3 microwavable lightweight plastic 'coffee cups'
> Uniforms basics (mailed myself a box to next work location)
> 1lb roughly of my more expensive spices, in zip lock baggies to cut the
> weight
> 1 can opener, quality manual
> 2 washcloths, 2 towels, and 2 blankets (very light weight, used on
> airplane)
> Small bottle woolite
> 3 changes of clothes (plus set worn)
> 1 spare set of shoes (besides set on feet)
> 16 DVDs plus mini DVD player
> Thinkpad laptop with modem and phone cable
>
> Innmediate BUY:
>
> 3 pillows
> 2 air matresses
> 9-12 inch frying pan with a deepish lip
> Paper plates and plastic fork/spoon/kife set
> Hand dishwashing liquid
> 3 cell phones
> Bottle of bodywash (there's a male one that does hair and conditioner and
> bodywash in one)
> 3 high class microwave dinners (have reusable plates!)
> 1 sharp medium small knife
> Canned foods
> TV
> Car
>
> The rest, followed at set times as we got to our house.
>

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:40:30 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> thanks i needed to read this, you made me lol,
>
> first off what is your address i will be over to shop in YOUR pantry as it
> has all the food groups i am interested in it seems...

<laughing> Actually, I *could* use some help - my space is jammed.
Like I said, enjoy your empty shelf space while it lasts. Nature
abhors a vacuum!
>
<snip>
> and the last lol is that when we get back into the house, the closest
> grocery i trust to not have mold on what i get is eighteen miles away, which
> might be part of my anxiety...

Have you thought about putting your list on cloudware, like Google
docs? You'll always have a copy and you can access it anywhere.
>
> again, thanks, you have made my day,

Glad I could help!

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:42:09 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> i will look into that, i truly hope i won't have to deal with anything like
> this ever again, Lee

Me too, but the nice thing about putting it on cloudware is it's
mobile. You can access it anywhere.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:55:23 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> one of the decisions we have made is to have an all refrig unit and an all
> freezer with icemaker unit for this very reason, Lee

I wish I had that kind of space. <sigh>

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"The Cook" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:


> Small problem. Their house burned, I gather completely. She is
> starting from ground zero.

Yes Susan, but she's living in a hotel for now and has many things over the
past months gathered. She's not going from 'on the street' direct into a
new home but a transition as insurance rebuilds them a home.