In article >,
Janet > wrote:

> The UK's NHS also has a nationwide bowel cancer screening program
> (available every two years to anyone in the target group)It's a very easy
> sample procedure, done at home with a kit provided then posted for lab
> testing. Good reassurance between colonoscopies :-)
> Don't know if it's available in the USA.
>
> http://www.cancerscreening.nhs.uk/bowel/faqs.html

My HMO here in the US mails me a kit every year. It takes about five
minutes, mostly writing down the date and time, and then I mail it back
in. After a few days I get an Email saying I passed. It shows up on my
web page of lab results, but it's simply a pass/fail test.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:25:55 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, Brooklyn1 says...
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:43:46 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, Brooklyn1 says...
>> >>
>> >> After my ordeal the doc said you're fine, I'll see you in ten years...
>> >> I said no you won't. There is no part of a colonoscopy that's
>> >> pleasant... I'd much rather have another wisdom tooth extracted.
>> >
>> > Compared with bowel cancer, a wisdom tooth extraction is a walk in the
>> >park
>>
>> If they found something I'd do it again, but at age 66 they found
>> nothing the first time, who knows if I'll be here in ten years.
>
>http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/can.../incidence/#By
>
>quote
>
> "The occurrence of large bowel cancer is strongly related to age, with
>86% of cases arising in people who are 60 years or older ( Figure 1.2). 1-
>4 Until age 50, men and women have similar rates for bowel cancer, but in
>later life male rates predominate. In numerical terms, there are more male
>cases of bowel cancer in almost all age-groups up to the age of 84, after
>which female cases are in the majority, even though their rates are lower,
>as women make up a larger proportion of the elderly population. Overall
>the male:female ratio is 11:10."
>
> I think many medical procedures
>> are over kill just to jack up billing... as soon as a doctor knows
>> someone has good medical coverage the diagnostic exams snowball.
>
> Well, in the NHS we never have to worry about that issue; doctors
>here don't get paid for investigation/diagnostic referrals. The patient
>doesn't pay for it either. There's no billing to jack up.
>
>> How often should one undergo all those medical procedures,
>
> Depends on risk factors. People known to be at very high risk (of any
>illness) are sensible to get screened/ reviewed regularly.
>
> Janet

I think I do much better than average with periodic medical exams but
I'm wise enough to know when they're schedualing procedures just to
collect big fees. I have excellent medical insurance, pays for most
anything, but that doesn't meen I'm willing to subject myself to
totally unnesessary probing and sticking. Cancer doesn't run in my
family, as far back as great grand on both sides there have been no
occurances. In my family pulmonary and coronary ailments seem to
prevail, and I don't think anyone dies of heartless curmudgeon
disease. lol

In article >, Brooklyn1 says...

> In my family pulmonary and coronary ailments seem to
> prevail, and I don't think anyone dies of heartless curmudgeon
> disease. lol

Heartless curmudgeons are at high risk of premature death from
defenestration.

Janet

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:38:47 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, Brooklyn1 says...
>
>> In my family pulmonary and coronary ailments seem to
>> prevail, and I don't think anyone dies of heartless curmudgeon
>> disease. lol
>
> Heartless curmudgeons are at high risk of premature death from
>defenestration.

I'm already too old for anything premature.

In article >, Brooklyn1 says...
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:38:47 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, Brooklyn1 says...
> >
> >> In my family pulmonary and coronary ailments seem to
> >> prevail, and I don't think anyone dies of heartless curmudgeon
> >> disease. lol
> >
> > Heartless curmudgeons are at high risk of premature death from
> >defenestration.
>
> I'm already too old for anything premature.

:-) I wouldn't bet on that

Janet

On 3/27/2011 1:38 AM, Terry wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:12:26 -0800, Mark >
> wrote:
>
>> Never having had a colonoscopy before, I'm dreading
>> the prep.
>>
>> http://www.drugs.com/pro/gavilyte-g.html
>>
>
> Hmmm... different from my prep, though mine was 3.5 years ago. No
> solid food the day before; hard candy, black coffee/tea, beef/chicken
> broth, etc. A bottle of magnesium citrate laxative and some tablet
> laxatives.

For my procedure, I was instructed to take a mega-dose of Fleet
Phospho-Soda which was over the counter and dirt cheap.

>
> I suspect that my specific prep may have triggered, or at least helped
> out, my type 2 diabetes. :-( Already pre-diabetic I'm sure; I
> sucked on hard candy most of the day before, and the morning of, with
> little else in the way of calories. Within a few weeks I noticed
> nightly toilet visits and the vision started to change from
> nearsighted to normal. Then farsighted. Very farsighted. Dropped
> about 30 lb. Fasting glucose was 300...
>

Interesting. I believe that Fleet Phospho-Soda is no longer recommended
for this use or even sold since it may cause kidney damage. In my case,
my kidneys survived and they told me to try again in 10 years.

> Oh well. Keeping it pretty well controlled now.
> --
> Best -- Terry

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>Last time I went, II was laying in the OR thinking "they said they would
>give me something to relax me, I wonder when they will" Then some nurse or
>aid was asking me it I wanted some juice and a muffin or cookies. Over and
>done, no pain, no strain.

Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
really know if you were in pain or not.


S.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>Last time I went, II was laying in the OR thinking "they said they would
>>give me something to relax me, I wonder when they will" Then some nurse
>>or
>>aid was asking me it I wanted some juice and a muffin or cookies. Over
>>and
>>done, no pain, no strain.
>
> Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
> really know if you were in pain or not.
>
>
> S.

The only pain that counts is the pain I feel. Anesthesia is a wonderful
thing.

In article >, artisan2
@ix.netcom.com says...
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
> >Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
> >really know if you were in pain or not.
> >
> Concious sedation does that.

Certainly does. My colonoscopy clinic actually warns patients about the
amnesia effect of the drug so they won't be worried and confused by the
gap.

Janet

Janet wrote:
> In article >, artisan2
> @ix.netcom.com says...
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
>>> really know if you were in pain or not.
>>>
>> Concious sedation does that.
>
> Certainly does. My colonoscopy clinic actually warns patients about
> the amnesia effect of the drug so they won't be worried and confused
> by the gap.

I only had a momentary confusion when I woke up ... Why are these
women in my room? Better stay quiet till I figure that out. Heh.

It was very brief and the only pain at all was the needle stick site.
In other words, nothing. Insurance company took care of the procedure,
so no pain there, either.

nancy

Janet > wrote:
> In article >, artisan2
> @ix.netcom.com says...
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
>>> really know if you were in pain or not.
>>>
>> Concious sedation does that.
>
> Certainly does. My colonoscopy clinic actually warns patients about the
> amnesia effect of the drug so they won't be worried and confused by the
> gap.
>
> Janet

I do not remember anyone telling me about amnesia

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article >, dude
says...
>
> Janet > wrote:
> > In article >, artisan2
> > @ix.netcom.com says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
> >> (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
> >>> really know if you were in pain or not.
> >>>
> >> Concious sedation does that.
> >
> > Certainly does. My colonoscopy clinic actually warns patients about the
> > amnesia effect of the drug so they won't be worried and confused by the
> > gap.
> >
> > Janet
>
> I do not remember anyone telling me about amnesia

LOL :-)

Ours sends out a printed leaflet beforehand; but on arrival you're
assigned to a "dedicated nurse" who goes through it all again (before and
after). Thank god for socialised medicine...

Janet

Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> dude says...


>> I do not remember anyone telling me about amnesia
>
> LOL :-)
>
> Ours sends out a printed leaflet beforehand; but on arrival you're
> assigned to a "dedicated nurse" who goes through it all again (before
> and after). Thank god for socialised medicine...

My experience was the same, it has nothing to do with socialised
medicine.

nancy

In article >, says...
>
> Christine Dabney wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >
> > >Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
> > >really know if you were in pain or not.
> > >
> > Concious sedation does that.
>
> In my case, Versed is the drug they propose to use
> for wiping out my memory, but I checked and they
> said I could have the procedure without it.

Hey, you'd be missing the best bit, which is the rush as it goes in.


Janet

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

>
>For those that are curious. The total cost for the double exam for down the
>throat and up the... Was around $5,000 U.S. two years ago and my 20% co-pay
>was $1,000 US. I reached my max co pay over night, so future medical
>expenses cost me nothing out of pocket for the rest of the year. Peace of
>mind... Priceless
>
>One grand still leaves a pain in the ...

That's one of the many reasons I'm glad I live in Canada.
I've had 13 colonoscopies over the last 36 years.
Total cost for the first three: $0.00
For the next ten, because of hospital cutbacks, they no longer
provided the prep solution so that ranged anywhere from $5.00 to
$14.00 each procedure.

Ross.

In article >, Ross@home
says...
>
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >For those that are curious. The total cost for the double exam for down the
> >throat and up the... Was around $5,000 U.S. two years ago and my 20% co-pay
> >was $1,000 US. I reached my max co pay over night, so future medical
> >expenses cost me nothing out of pocket for the rest of the year. Peace of
> >mind... Priceless
> >
> >One grand still leaves a pain in the ...
>
> That's one of the many reasons I'm glad I live in Canada.
> I've had 13 colonoscopies over the last 36 years.
> Total cost for the first three: $0.00
> For the next ten, because of hospital cutbacks, they no longer
> provided the prep solution so that ranged anywhere from $5.00 to
> $14.00 each procedure.
>
> Ross.

That's great... The Govt pays for cookie cutter procedures, but what
happens after they find something serious in there? That's where the two
systems separate..

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:38:12 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> Christine Dabney wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
>> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> >
>> > >Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
>> > >really know if you were in pain or not.
>> > >
>> > Concious sedation does that.
>>
>> In my case, Versed is the drug they propose to use
>> for wiping out my memory, but I checked and they
>> said I could have the procedure without it.
>
> Hey, you'd be missing the best bit, which is the rush as it goes in.
>
>
> Janet


Which, the colonoscopy implement or the drug?

<Ross@home> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> For those that are curious. The total cost for the double exam for down the
>> throat and up the... Was around $5,000 U.S. two years ago and my 20% co-pay
>> was $1,000 US. I reached my max co pay over night, so future medical
>> expenses cost me nothing out of pocket for the rest of the year. Peace of
>> mind... Priceless
>>
>> One grand still leaves a pain in the ...
>
> That's one of the many reasons I'm glad I live in Canada.
> I've had 13 colonoscopies over the last 36 years.
> Total cost for the first three: $0.00
> For the next ten, because of hospital cutbacks, they no longer
> provided the prep solution so that ranged anywhere from $5.00 to
> $14.00 each procedure.
>
> Ross.

I pay less for gas and my taxed are less, we all pay one way or another.

The difference between Capitalism and Socialism is that, Capitalism is "Man
vs Man" and Socialism is the reverse.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
> >Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. So you don't
> >really know if you were in pain or not.
> >
> Concious sedation does that.

In my case, Versed is the drug they propose to use
for wiping out my memory, but I checked and they
said I could have the procedure without it.

Dulcolax pills and quite a bit of
Miralax dissolved in Gatorade. It wasn't all that much fun,
and oh, full of surprises, too.They found nothing wrong, no
polyps, no nothing. After the test I was just groggy from being asleep. The
only pain afterwords was the co pays for the procedure. I went in for a
celiac biopsy test and they found nothing wrong.I felt no ill effects the day after for either
one of my 2 procedures and stopped on the way home afterwards for large
breakfasts both times. The anesthesia was quite mild and I felt no pain. I
was conscious both times and actually found it quite interesting to watch my
intestines being probed on my own monitor. The drugs administered were quite
pleasant. The only gas problems were expelling some of the gas they
introduced into me to inflate my abdomen to help with the procedure but I
did what was suggested and let her rip with no significant unpleasant side
effects.

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote>
>
>> Never having had a colonoscopy before, I'm dreading
>> the prep.
> ...
> Been there, done that - twice. Just eat normally after the procedure. Your
> gut flora and fauna are not being wiped out by antibiotics. After mine I
> went to a diner and had the large ranch breakfast. No problemo. The trick
> to getting down the liquid is to keep it cold. Try to slam it down fast and
> that way the texture won't be so bad. It kind of has a little sliminess to
> it. Do not take the first glass and think you have some time for it to kick
> in. You don't. Stay near the can. You won't believe how fast it works.

In my case it's been once so far. Ditto most of that. The day of
preparation was by far the worst of it.

My wife reports that in the recovery room I babbled. I have no memory
of that. I remember waking up.

I was pretty hungry by the end of the day as the grogginess wore off.
No surprise and no big deal.

Kent wrote:
>
> Most Important, these days people are trying to save money and reduce
> procedure time so they can do more in a morning. Someone is going to ask you
> what your stress-pain tolerance is, to let them decide how much to sedate,
> and how much to give opiates. In my own case I tell them on a scale from
> 1-10 I have a pain tolerance of 0-1, or none. I don't want someone shoving
> me through the procedure for their own convenience. You've gone through a
> fair effort at this point. Make it as comfortable for you as possible.

My Dad had that issue when he had gall bladder surgery recently. My
brother looked at him and went to ask for a pain shot. They asked Dad
his pain number. Five. No big deal. My brother told them he reported
a four before going in for heart surgery and that it would probably take
a bear eating his arm without removing it first to get a six. They gave
Dad the shot.

On Mar 28, 3:27*am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Steve Pope" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >>Last time I went, II was laying in the OR thinking "they said they would
> >>give me something to relax me, I wonder when they will" *Then some nurse
> >>or
> >>aid was asking me it I wanted some juice and a muffin or cookies. *Over
> >>and
> >>done, no pain, no strain.
>
> > Sounds like they gave you something amnesia-inducing. *So you don't
> > really know if you were in pain or not.
>
> > S.
>
> The only pain that counts is the pain I feel. *Anesthesia is a wonderful
> thing.

It was the best 20 minute nap I've ever had!

On 28/03/2011 3:10 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Most Important, these days people are trying to save money and reduce
>> procedure time so they can do more in a morning. Someone is going to ask you
>> what your stress-pain tolerance is, to let them decide how much to sedate,
>> and how much to give opiates. In my own case I tell them on a scale from
>> 1-10 I have a pain tolerance of 0-1, or none. I don't want someone shoving
>> me through the procedure for their own convenience. You've gone through a
>> fair effort at this point. Make it as comfortable for you as possible.
>
> My Dad had that issue when he had gall bladder surgery recently. My
> brother looked at him and went to ask for a pain shot. They asked Dad
> his pain number. Five. No big deal. My brother told them he reported
> a four before going in for heart surgery and that it would probably take
> a bear eating his arm without removing it first to get a six. They gave
> Dad the shot.

I got sedated for a root canal. I had been through one a few years
earlier and it was very uncomfortable, gagging and choking on the dental
dam. When I got sedated the procedure was a breeze. I was half out of
it when the endontist came in and started working. At one point I felt a
bit of pain, but I didn't care. Next thing I knew, she was finishing up.
It felt like 5 minutes but I was in there for an hour and a half.

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> My Dad had that issue when he had gall bladder surgery recently. My
> brother looked at him and went to ask for a pain shot. They asked Dad
> his pain number. Five. No big deal. My brother told them he reported
> a four before going in for heart surgery and that it would probably take
> a bear eating his arm without removing it first to get a six. They gave
> Dad the shot.

asking him to rate his pain has nothing to do with whether he'll get the
pain med or not. It has to do with monitoring the effectiveness of the
pain med he is given (after they get a baseline reported "score")and
hopefully the score will decrease as he is made more comfortable.

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> My Dad had that issue when he had gall bladder surgery recently. My
>> brother looked at him and went to ask for a pain shot. They asked Dad
>> his pain number. Five. No big deal. My brother told them he reported
>> a four before going in for heart surgery and that it would probably take
>> a bear eating his arm without removing it first to get a six. They gave
>> Dad the shot.
>
> asking him to rate his pain has nothing to do with whether he'll get the
> pain med or not. It has to do with monitoring the effectiveness of the
> pain med he is given (after they get a baseline reported "score")and
> hopefully the score will decrease as he is made more comfortable.
>
>
Incorrect,
They ask you your perceived pain tolerance. Based on that they decide what
and how much Rx to give you. Monitoring pain medicine effectiveness has
nothing to do with what happens with the question 1-10 pain tolerance.

Kent wrote:
> "Goomba" > wrote:
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>>> My Dad had that issue when he had gall bladder surgery recently. My
>>> brother looked at him and went to ask for a pain shot. They asked Dad
>>> his pain number. Five. No big deal. My brother told them he reported
>>> a four before going in for heart surgery and that it would probably take
>>> a bear eating his arm without removing it first to get a six. They gave
>>> Dad the shot.
>
>> asking him to rate his pain has nothing to do with whether he'll get the
>> pain med or not. It has to do with monitoring the effectiveness of the
>> pain med he is given (after they get a baseline reported "score")and
>> hopefully the score will decrease as he is made more comfortable.
>
> Incorrect,
> They ask you your perceived pain tolerance. Based on that they decide what
> and how much Rx to give you. Monitoring pain medicine effectiveness has
> nothing to do with what happens with the question 1-10 pain tolerance.

Dad went from gray and panting to colored and breathing normally. They
noted that this patient is not going to ask for a pain medication until
long after it should have been offered. Dad didn't ask but also didn't
turn down the offer. Until a day later when he did start turning it
down well befor emost would have. His choice at that point.

I work hard at emulating Dad. He's a superior role model for me. I
wonder if I'll try to emulate him should I ever have a kidney stone or
gall bladder stone break loose and start grinding through my insides. I
don't think so but there was that time when I had all of my wisdom teeth
removed at the same time and I only took one of those strong pills
before deciding I'd rather have the pain than those effects ...

Hi I'm new at this type of writing, yet have had the colonoscopy before an everything is the same. The gallon of Galilyte and nothing! It seems COFFEE/Tea are okay yet NO CREAM OR CREAMER OF ANY TYPE an actually sugar is NOT GOOD either! During was Lil' embarrassing only and I was a little sedateded! After really was not too Bad. Gassy YES it is just Air releasing itself. As air is introduced during procedure to be Able To expand an see everything! A Tune Up For The RearEnd! With the exception of drinking the Solution I must say this is one of the easier and non painful procedures I've had done.Plus if you like and stay awake you can watch the whole procedure with Dr's.an they will explain what they are doing if asked. So all in all good And Greatly needed Tune-up.
Also on the eating end after procedure just 31st as you reguarly do..You are totally cleaned out so it may take a few 2-3 days to get pumping the waste again...Really though. NO WORRIES K😎
Relax an Just Do It 😉

Did anybody still have curdling in their stomach days after having moviprep, I'm 46 years old, wondering if she matters.