First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
My dw experience was almost nil.

About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.

If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
the rinse and hold?

Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.

Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
information.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
> a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> the rinse and hold?
>
> Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> information.

I only ever used the rinse and hold once. Just to see what it did. And
that was not much.

I am not one of those people who washes their dishes before putting them in
the dishwasher. My parents do that. They use soap and a brush and scrub
them clean before putting them in.

Neither am I one of those people who puts dishes in with like...a whole pork
chop on them!

I use the sprayer in my sink and give them a quick rinse. My dishes always
come out clean. That's when I use the dishwasher which isn't often.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:50:37 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
> a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> the rinse and hold?
>
> Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> information.

I pre-rinse my dishes before I put them into the dishwasher and when I
run the cycle, it's "quick wash". I've used rinse and hold once or
twice but I couldn't tell you the difference between that and quick
wash. I've never used pot scrubber or the crystal cycles. I used
regular wash once and that was only because I punched the wrong
button. I know it runs a lot longer than quick wash (90 minutes, I
think), but I don't know how much more water it actually uses.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011, Kalmia > wrote:

>First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.

You should be able to find the manual online. I was hoping to find
something at Sears, but a search puts this first:
http://kitchen.manualsonline.com/man...duct_list.html

>Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
>I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.

I am one that does rinse their dishes first. As hot water is many times
more expensive than cold water, I rinse with cold.

Don. http://paleofood.com/kitchen-equipment.htm (e-mail at page bottom).

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:50:37 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
>My dw experience was almost nil.
>
>About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
>a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
>as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
>If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
>the rinse and hold?
>
>Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
>I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
>Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
>information.

ALL dishwashers by their very nature conserve water, therefore no one
buys a dishwasher to conserve water (unless they're an idiot), the
primary purpose of a dishwasher is to conserve time, labor, and
energy. Don't you realize that the typical shower uses ten times the
water of running ANY dishwasher... if under 35 years old and female
more than 40 times as much water. Buy a dishwasher based on
longevity/service data and features... don't even bother about
checking their water consumption.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:00:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
>> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
>> My dw experience was almost nil.
>>
>> About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
>> a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
>> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>>
>> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
>> the rinse and hold?
>>
>> Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
>> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>>
>> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
>> information.
>
>I only ever used the rinse and hold once. Just to see what it did. And
>that was not much.
>
>I am not one of those people who washes their dishes before putting them in
>the dishwasher. My parents do that. They use soap and a brush and scrub
>them clean before putting them in.
>
>Neither am I one of those people who puts dishes in with like...a whole pork
>chop on them!
>
>I use the sprayer in my sink and give them a quick rinse. My dishes always
>come out clean. That's when I use the dishwasher which isn't often.

I also don't run my dishwasher often. I don't run my dishwasher but
once/twice a week so I rinse off all loose food or my dishwasher will
stink like a garbage can. But even if I ran my dishwasher every day
I'd still rinse off all the food... the owner's manual says to clean
off food scraps to extend the life of the unit and to ensure clean
dishes... what's the point of washing dishes with filthy water.
Placing dishes in your dishwasher without rinsing off the food is
exactly the same as placing cloth diapers in your washing machine
without rinsing off the poop. I wouldn't want to eat at some of yoose
houses... if you don't rinse the dishes before putting them in your
dishwasher one can only wonder about your food prep hygiene, hasta be
nasty.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:00:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans
>>> manual. My dw experience was almost nil.
>>>
>>> About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given
>>> em a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be
>>> almost as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>>>
>>> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
>>> the rinse and hold?
>>>
>>> Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as
>>> possible. I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using
>>> the dw.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
>>> information.
>>
>> I only ever used the rinse and hold once. Just to see what it did.
>> And that was not much.
>>
>> I am not one of those people who washes their dishes before putting
>> them in the dishwasher. My parents do that. They use soap and a
>> brush and scrub them clean before putting them in.
>>
>> Neither am I one of those people who puts dishes in with like...a
>> whole pork chop on them!
>>
>> I use the sprayer in my sink and give them a quick rinse. My dishes
>> always come out clean. That's when I use the dishwasher which isn't
>> often.
>
> I also don't run my dishwasher often. I don't run my dishwasher but
> once/twice a week so I rinse off all loose food or my dishwasher will
> stink like a garbage can. But even if I ran my dishwasher every day
> I'd still rinse off all the food... the owner's manual says to clean
> off food scraps to extend the life of the unit and to ensure clean
> dishes... what's the point of washing dishes with filthy water.
> Placing dishes in your dishwasher without rinsing off the food is
> exactly the same as placing cloth diapers in your washing machine
> without rinsing off the poop. I wouldn't want to eat at some of yoose
> houses... if you don't rinse the dishes before putting them in your
> dishwasher one can only wonder about your food prep hygiene, hasta be
> nasty.

I said I do rinse mine. But I don't scrub them and use soap on them. I
also can't remember the last time I used the dishwasher. With just two of
us here most of the time there is no need to. I never put my pots and pans
in there except for the old popcorn pan. It already looks trashed so I
don't care. I have Reverware which you can put in there but it dulls the
knobs.

know first off that the worst of dws are a water savefr, i don't know your
model so can't help with the cycle questions, and have you looked for the
manual on line? good luck, Lee
"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
> a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> the rinse and hold?
>
> Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> information.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> About the rinse and hold: thinking that maybe it would just given em
> a lick and a promise, I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> the rinse and hold?
>
> Water rates are high, so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> information.

I use a different brand and have never used rinse and hold, so this is only
a guess. However, my guess is that rinse and hold does not open the soap
cup to release detergent, while the others do. You could easily test it for
yourself.

I manually rinse dishes, no soap, before placing them in the dishwasher; and
then I do not use the dishwasher until it is full. That will be several
days for me.

As some others have said, you can probably find a manual online if you go to
the Sears web site. If your dishwasher is old enough so that your manual is
no longer available, just select another Kenmore model for the manual.
"Rinse and hold" will probably have the same meaning for various models.

MaryL

> I manually rinse dishes, no soap, before placing them in the dishwasher; and
> then I do not use the dishwasher until it is full. *That will be several
> days for me.
>
> As some others have said, you can probably find a manual online if you go to
> the Sears web site. *If your dishwasher is old enough so that your manual is
> no longer available, just select another Kenmore model for the manual.
> "Rinse and hold" will probably have the same meaning for various models.
>
> MaryL

I'm like you in my use of the DW, Mary - only I can go a week or 10
days (being a single) before it's full. I don't ever run it unless
it's full. I usually just go ahead and manually wash pans and baking
dishes that take up a lot of room or that I want to put away right
away.

N.

On Mar 29, 4:50*pm, Kalmia > wrote:
> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> About the rinse and hold: *thinking that maybe it would just given em
> a lick and a promise, *I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.

Rinse and hold is pretty much a gimmick. Just rinse the dishes
before you put
them in the dishwasher and they will hold fine till the washer is full
and you need
to run it.
>
> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> the rinse and hold?

These cycles are more about timinig than anything else. A "pot and
pan"
cycle just runs longer than the china and glass cycle.
>
> Water rates are high, *so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.

The washer fills up for each wash cycle and then empties before
filling up for the
rinse cycle.
I would run a full load on the longest cycle stated on the knob and
see how
many times it fills up. It still isn't much water though, probably
not more
than a gallon or so per cycle. Dishwashers are very efficient at
using water,
way more than handwashing dishes ever was.

I have a friend who insists that handwashing uses less water....and
then leaves
the water running to rinse each dish individually...... go figure.


>
> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> information.

On Mar 29, 7:50*pm, Kalmia > wrote:
> First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> About the rinse and hold: *thinking that maybe it would just given em
> a lick and a promise, *I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
> If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> the rinse and hold?
>
> Water rates are high, *so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
> Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> information.

Update: I ran it on rinse and hold, with hot water ( maybe I
should've shut that off) and shoot, the dishes came out as clean as
they would have using the china and glass choice.

On Mar 30, 10:46*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> On Mar 29, 7:50*pm, Kalmia > wrote:
>
> > First off, the oldie-goldie Kenmore came with the house, sans manual.
> > My dw experience was almost nil.
>
> > About the rinse and hold: *thinking that maybe it would just given em
> > a lick and a promise, *I tried it tonight and it seemed to be almost
> > as long as the china and glass cycle, which I usually use.
>
> > If you run the china and glass cycle, does the dw race thru or skip
> > the rinse and hold?
>
> > Water rates are high, *so I'm trying to conserve as much as possible.
> > I wish I knew a way to measure the water usage when using the dw.
>
> > Thanks for any input - I can even take insults along with helpful
> > information.
>
> Update: *I ran it on rinse and hold, with hot water ( maybe I
> should've shut that *off) and shoot, *the dishes came out as clean as
> they would have using the china and glass choice.

Did you put soap in the rinse and hold? Normally if you are going to
rinse and hold you don't put in the detergent.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:19:04 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I said I do rinse mine. But I don't scrub them and use soap on them. I
> also can't remember the last time I used the dishwasher. With just two of
> us here most of the time there is no need to. I never put my pots and pans
> in there except for the old popcorn pan. It already looks trashed so I
> don't care. I have Reverware which you can put in there but it dulls the
> knobs.

i hear sheldon is a great knob-polisher.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, ImStillMags > wrote:

>I have a friend who insists that handwashing uses less water....and
>then leaves
>the water running to rinse each dish individually...... go figure.

Consumers Reports has repeatedly pointed out over the years that hand
washing uses more hot water than a dishwasher. And the expense of the
additional hot water exceeds the cost of the electricity used to run the
dishwasher.

In their very controlled lab situations they find that rinsing isn't
necessary.

My compromise is I rinse with cold water and am not concerned with the
little grease that isn't rinsed off.

Don. http://paleofood.com/kitchen-equipment.htm (e-mail at page bottom).

On 3/31/2011 12:41 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, > wrote:
>
>> I have a friend who insists that handwashing uses less water....and
>> then leaves
>> the water running to rinse each dish individually...... go figure.
>
> Consumers Reports has repeatedly pointed out over the years that hand
> washing uses more hot water than a dishwasher. And the expense of the
> additional hot water exceeds the cost of the electricity used to run the
> dishwasher.
>
> In their very controlled lab situations they find that rinsing isn't
> necessary.
>
> My compromise is I rinse with cold water and am not concerned with the
> little grease that isn't rinsed off.
>
> Don. http://paleofood.com/kitchen-equipment.htm (e-mail at page bottom).

Since most of the dishes I use are for myself alone, I don't run the
dishwasher daily. However, I find if I don't rinse off dishes with cold
water the odor from the dishwasher is unpleasant after a day or so.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:10:26 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:19:04 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I said I do rinse mine. But I don't scrub them and use soap on them. I
> > also can't remember the last time I used the dishwasher. With just two of
> > us here most of the time there is no need to. I never put my pots and pans
> > in there except for the old popcorn pan. It already looks trashed so I
> > don't care. I have Reverware which you can put in there but it dulls the
> > knobs.
>
> i hear sheldon is a great knob-polisher.
>
Hey - welcome back!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Mar 30, 2:09*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:

>
> Did you put soap in the rinse and hold? *Normally if you are going to
> rinse and hold you don't put in the detergent.

No.. Maybe there's some residual effect going on here? At any rate,
I won't use that cycle again. The dishes weren't even rinsed - waal,
I should say anything the size of a turkey carcass had been removed.

Hey - maybe we don't need to use 'soap'.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:41:54 -0400, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>>I have a friend who insists that handwashing uses less water....and
>>then leaves
>>the water running to rinse each dish individually...... go figure.
>
>Consumers Reports has repeatedly pointed out over the years that hand
>washing uses more hot water than a dishwasher. And the expense of the
>additional hot water exceeds the cost of the electricity used to run the
>dishwasher.
>
>In their very controlled lab situations they find that rinsing isn't
>necessary.
>
>My compromise is I rinse with cold water and am not concerned with the
>little grease that isn't rinsed off.

I don't understand. I want my dishes clean and I could care less how
much hot water I use.

Lou

Lou Decruss > wrote:

>I don't understand. I want my dishes clean and I could care less how
>much hot water I use.

You may not live in an area with frequent water rationing.

I certainly care how much water and energy I use, but I monitor
this by looking at my water and utility bills. I'm still way
below average usage, even with no dishwasher.

Steve

On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 02:08:36 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

>Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>>I don't understand. I want my dishes clean and I could care less how
>>much hot water I use.
>
>You may not live in an area with frequent water rationing.

I was talking about HOT water. But no- we don't have rationing here.
I live in a suburb that gets water from Chicago / Lake Michigan. In
the late 80's there was a sprinkler ban because they couldn't fill the
water towers fast enough to keep up but that's the only problem I
remember in my life.

>I certainly care how much water and energy I use, but I monitor
>this by looking at my water and utility bills. I'm still way
>below average usage, even with no dishwasher.

I don't waste either but heating a couple extra gallons so my dishes
are rinsed clean is a non issue.

Lou