On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:55:14 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:23:02 -0400, Landon > wrote:
>
>> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
>> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
>
>I remember when that thing first came out. Reports were anything but
>glowing here in rfc. Some of my family members also toyed with it,
>but were not impressed and soon stopped using it. I've never even
>bothered.

It worked as advertised for about a year. Then it started either
clogging or spraying wrong.

I'd have to clear the spray hole with a pin or spray it into the sink
or trash-can until it was cleared. What a PITA.

I paid something like $20+ for it.

It also "Over-Sprayed" and got all over the stove or table.

I dribbled or drizzled olive oil for decades before my sister talked
me into buying it. That's what I do now. Works just as well as it
always did.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:26:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
> >> key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
> >> from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
> >> (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
> >
> > There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
> > container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
> > idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
> > talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
> > ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
> > thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>
>
> This is where you and I part company. We may not understant what someone
> says, but why must you be so nasty. If you don't understand, just ask.
> Perhaps it is you that is not educated enough to understand what she write.
>
In any paper I've ever written, terms were supposed to be defined
first then you can use the acronym from then on. As far as nasty,
well there ya go. Kill me and you can be done with it.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:51:25 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

snip
>Over the winter, the snow was so deep that we could not get to the
>composters (I have two). I piled up those filled cottage cheese
>containers in the garage where they froze nicely. When the thaw came,
>I marched it all out to the composters. No fuss. No muss. No filters.
>No disintegrating bags.
snip
>Boron

Oh, heck. I never thought of letting the stuff freeze. I'd have to
use a plastic garbage can and see if the raccoons would leave it
alone.
Janet

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:26:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>> >> key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>> >> from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>> >> (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>> >
>> > There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>> > container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>> > idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>> > talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>> > ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>> > thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>>
>>
>> This is where you and I part company. We may not understant what someone
>> says, but why must you be so nasty. If you don't understand, just ask.
>> Perhaps it is you that is not educated enough to understand what she
>> write.
>>
> In any paper I've ever written, terms were supposed to be defined
> first then you can use the acronym from then on. As far as nasty,
> well there ya go. Kill me and you can be done with it.

This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
--
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https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:11:42 +0200, "Giusi" > wrote:

>
>"Boron Elgar" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> It is so anti-recycling to use this set up, that I think it's a joke.
>> Again, it is certainly allowing some folks to save stuff for compost
>> in a way that is convenient for them, but to me, it just doesn't cut
>> it.
>
snip
>Your solution would also depend on being able or willing to use 3 pounds of
>anything, let alone cottage cheese! On occasion I use an old plastic ice
>cream box snip

The plastic ice cream containers with lids were my first compost
collectors. Unfortunately, the containers are now much smaller or
non-existent. I can only get cheap and nasty sherbet in those
containers now and no one will eat it.
Janet

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:26:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>> >> key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>> >> from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>> >> (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>> >
>> > There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>> > container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>> > idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>> > talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>> > ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>> > thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>>
>>
>> This is where you and I part company. We may not understant what someone
>> says, but why must you be so nasty. If you don't understand, just ask.
>> Perhaps it is you that is not educated enough to understand what she
>> write.
>>
> In any paper I've ever written, terms were supposed to be defined
> first then you can use the acronym from then on. As far as nasty,
> well there ya go. Kill me and you can be done with it.

This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
--
--

https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > wrote:
>
> > The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
> > key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
> > from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
> > (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>
> There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
> container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
> idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
> talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
> ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
> thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.

I've learned over the years of reading this group and observing my wife
bake, that KA often means King Arthur:

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/compost-set

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:18:40 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>> > key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>> > from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>> > (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>>
>> There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>> container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>> idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>> talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>> ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>> thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>
>I've learned over the years of reading this group and observing my wife
>bake, that KA often means King Arthur:
>
>http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/compost-set

King Arthur *used to be* a quality maker of quality products. One of
my nieces was the person who ran their test kitchen. After new
ownership of the company, its products were revised and the quality
dropped radically. My niece quit working there as a result. She was
told by the owners that her remarks about their products weren't
needed...hahaha, crack me up! Have a test kitchen and don't listen to
the person running it....ok...then why have one?

On 4/2/2011 2:31 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Janet > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> I just bought a "Misto" It sprays olive oil. I think it's pretty neat.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3ouy6o4
>>
> I had one of those and hated it. When decompressed it was too tall to fit
> in my cupboard. So I had to leave it out on the counter. It was always in
> the way and it always seemed to have a nasty oily coating on it that
> attracted dust. I tossed it.


Julie,

Forgive me for asking, but is there anything that you have a "positive"
feeling about? You are always so negative.

BTW, mine fits just fine in my cabinet. Maybe I just have better cabinets.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 4/2/2011 10:55 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:23:02 -0400, > wrote:
>
>> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
>> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
>
> I remember when that thing first came out. Reports were anything but
> glowing here in rfc. Some of my family members also toyed with it,
> but were not impressed and soon stopped using it. I've never even
> bothered.
>

The Misto® is working well for me. I am just using it to spray a
little EVOO in a frying pan. It is certainly preferable to the olive oil
Pam® in the can with a host of propellants.


--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 4/2/2011 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:00:25 -0400, James Silverton
> > wrote:
>
>> I've been using one since I first heard of Misto and it cost over $20
>> then, I like it very much for spraying olive oil (virginol) on salads
>> and for use with "non-stick" cookware. I'll admit I am using at least my
>> second one but I paid less than $10 for it.
>
> I think it's silly to spray salads with oil. I'm perfectly capable of
> using a minimum of dressing and coating every leaf. As far as
> nonstick pans - I just pour a little oil in and swish it around with a
> turner. It's not a big deal.
>
Nuts! :-) I want to use the absolute minimum of oil and the sprayer
allows me to dispense it in a controlled fashion.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:56:31 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

> On 4/2/2011 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:00:25 -0400, James Silverton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I've been using one since I first heard of Misto and it cost over $20
> >> then, I like it very much for spraying olive oil (virginol) on salads
> >> and for use with "non-stick" cookware. I'll admit I am using at least my
> >> second one but I paid less than $10 for it.
> >
> > I think it's silly to spray salads with oil. I'm perfectly capable of
> > using a minimum of dressing and coating every leaf. As far as
> > nonstick pans - I just pour a little oil in and swish it around with a
> > turner. It's not a big deal.
> >
> Nuts! :-) I want to use the absolute minimum of oil and the sprayer
> allows me to dispense it in a controlled fashion.

Why use any? It's nonstick!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:06:28 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

> On 4/2/2011 10:55 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:23:02 -0400, > wrote:
> >
> >> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
> >> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
> >
> > I remember when that thing first came out. Reports were anything but
> > glowing here in rfc. Some of my family members also toyed with it,
> > but were not impressed and soon stopped using it. I've never even
> > bothered.
> >
>
> The Misto® is working well for me. I am just using it to spray a
> little EVOO in a frying pan. It is certainly preferable to the olive oil
> Pam® in the can with a host of propellants.

I don't use that stuff unless I'm making sure every nook and cranny in
a baking pan is covered with something.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:06:28 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>On 4/2/2011 10:55 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:23:02 -0400, > wrote:
>>
>>> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
>>> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
>>
>> I remember when that thing first came out. Reports were anything but
>> glowing here in rfc. Some of my family members also toyed with it,
>> but were not impressed and soon stopped using it. I've never even
>> bothered.
>>
>
>The Misto® is working well for me. I am just using it to spray a
>little EVOO in a frying pan. It is certainly preferable to the olive oil
>Pam® in the can with a host of propellants.

Hi Janet, mine wasn't the "Misto" sprayer. It was quite awhile ago and
I don't recall the name of the one I had. Maybe this one was
manufactured after fixing the problems with the one I had.

I might consider buying the Misto one and giving it a try.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:34:43 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
> This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
> --
Then people need to settle on one translation for KA.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:18:40 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
> > > key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
> > > from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
> > > (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
> >
> > There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
> > container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
> > idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
> > talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
> > ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
> > thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>
> I've learned over the years of reading this group and observing my wife
> bake, that KA often means King Arthur:
>
> http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/compost-set

So KA is a compost can now.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 4/2/2011 4:07 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:56:31 -0400, James Silverton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/2/2011 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:00:25 -0400, James Silverton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been using one since I first heard of Misto and it cost over $20
>>>> then, I like it very much for spraying olive oil (virginol) on salads
>>>> and for use with "non-stick" cookware. I'll admit I am using at least my
>>>> second one but I paid less than $10 for it.
>>>
>>> I think it's silly to spray salads with oil. I'm perfectly capable of
>>> using a minimum of dressing and coating every leaf. As far as
>>> nonstick pans - I just pour a little oil in and swish it around with a
>>> turner. It's not a big deal.
>>>
>> Nuts! :-) I want to use the absolute minimum of oil and the sprayer
>> allows me to dispense it in a controlled fashion.
>
> Why use any? It's nonstick!
>
Unfortunately, there's no such animal after a few uses and a little oil
seems to spread the heat more uniformly.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:34:43 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
> This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
> --
Then people need to settle on one translation for KA.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for translation of acronyms. I
didn't know what a KA was either even if I have one.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Apr 1, 3:29*pm, Silvar Beitel > wrote:
> Faucet sprayer. *Pull up for regular stream, pull down for spray,
> rotates to spray wherever you want. *Fancier faucets have the function
> built in (but don't seem to be pointable without using a hand), so I
> like this version a lot. *Source: local hardware store.

Agh - is that green thing in the background a kitchen SPONGE? Fie on
sponges. Let's not start THAT debate again, sponge lovers.

> Cast-iron pan handle mitt. *Handier than a full length mitt for
> stovetop work. *Source: ARS

A frugal person with a sewing machine can whip these up from some many
layered terry towels. or just wrap a towel around the handle a few
times. Easy to launder and the price is right.
> .
> Plastic squeeze bottle for cooking oil. *Source: Dollar stores,
> WalMart, etc.


Or use an old mustard container like my aunt did for her dish liquid.
Why buy - ?
>
>
>
>
> Stainless steel compost bucket and liners. *In my house, all vegetable
> waste goes in here and eventually gets dumped into the big compost
> bins in the back yard. *Liners are made of cornstarch and are
> themselves bio-degradable. *Source: *I forget. *If you're really
> interested, buzz me and I'll look it up.

WHHAATT? Buy liners? My garbage goes into an old cat litter
bucket, lined with plastic bags leftover from a certain store - they
fit perfectly and I don't compost.
>
> Digital picture frame for showing recipes. *Hangs on a cabinet door,
> taking up no counter space. *Photograph recipes from cookbooks,
> magazines, wherever, put 'em up here. *Incidently, handy for, um,
> digital photos of family, cats, etc. when not cooking :-) *Source: any
> electronics store.

Some scotch tape and some old index cards stuck inside my cupboard
doors do fine. Takes up no counter space either.
>

So there ya go - my frugalities in Le Kitchen.

>
> The can fits the bill, looks OK on the kitchen counter (where it's a
> lot handier than a scrap plastic pail that we'd be likely to want to
> hide under the counter somewhere), and we haven't found the costs of
> filters and bags onerous. *Your Mileage obviously Varied :-)
>
> --

Yeh - but I thought your goal was to free up counter space.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:56:31 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

>On 4/2/2011 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:00:25 -0400, James Silverton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using one since I first heard of Misto and it cost over $20
>>> then, I like it very much for spraying olive oil (virginol) on salads
>>> and for use with "non-stick" cookware. I'll admit I am using at least my
>>> second one but I paid less than $10 for it.
>>
>> I think it's silly to spray salads with oil. I'm perfectly capable of
>> using a minimum of dressing and coating every leaf. As far as
>> nonstick pans - I just pour a little oil in and swish it around with a
>> turner. It's not a big deal.
>>
> Nuts! :-) I want to use the absolute minimum of oil and the sprayer
>allows me to dispense it in a controlled fashion.

WTF would any normal person want to inhale atomized oil? duh
One inhales enough cooking fumes normally, why over kill???

Doesn't take any skill at all to drizzle minimum oil into a bowl of
salad and toss... those oil atomizers are the idiot's delight.
WTF can't you simply mix up some vinaigrette and apply to suit.
If you were truly wanting to ingest less fat you'd eat your salad from
a cheap paper plate, they suck up oil but not the juices. I fry eggs
in butter but eat them from a paper plate, I ingest considerably less
fat plus I don't have to deal with plates coated with runny egg dried
on... in boxes of 1,000 cheap paper plates cost like .0008¢ per.

On Apr 2, 3:06*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 4/2/2011 10:55 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:23:02 -0400, > *wrote:
>
> >> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
> >> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
>
> > I remember when that thing first came out. *Reports were anything but
> > glowing here in rfc. *Some of my family members also toyed with it,
> > but were not impressed and soon stopped using it. *I've never even
> > bothered.
>
> The Misto *is working well for me. I am *just using it to spray a
> little EVOO in a frying pan. It is certainly preferable to the olive oil
> Pam in the can with a host of propellants.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.

I gave up on the MIsto - I wanted to use it with the oil as you say
you are doing, but it clogged up in no time and no way could I get it
clean. I then tried it to spray a little lemon juice on stuff -
BONNNKKKK - no way. What a waste of money. Well, maybe I cud use it
as a safe - I doubt any burglar would shake it to hear what might be
hidden inside.

I went back to my old cruets to store a bit of oil - a few shakes over
a pan and I'm set. I clean it with a paper towel wrapped and rubber
banded around a chopstick, cuz no brush I own would get into those
right angles.

Kalmia > wrote:

>On Apr 2, 3:06*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:

>> The Misto *is working well for me. I am *just using it to spray a
>> little EVOO in a frying pan. It is certainly preferable to the olive oil
>> Pam in the can with a host of propellants.

>I gave up on the MIsto - I wanted to use it with the oil as you say
>you are doing, but it clogged up in no time and no way could I get it
>clean. I then tried it to spray a little lemon juice on stuff -
>BONNNKKKK - no way. What a waste of money. Well, maybe I cud use it
>as a safe - I doubt any burglar would shake it to hear what might be
>hidden inside.

Hmm. I just found an old sprayer when cleaning out a neglected
area of the kitchen. Let me look.

(One minute elapses.) Yep, sure enough it's a Misto. Unused for
10, 15 years.


S.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:43:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
>>> In article >,
>>> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Stainless steel compost bucket and liners. In my house, all vegetable
>>>> >waste goes in here and eventually gets dumped into the big compost
>>>> >bins in the back yard. Liners are made of cornstarch and are
>>>> >themselves bio-degradable. Source: I forget. If you're really
>>>> >interested, buzz me and I'll look it up.
>>>> >
>>>> >http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/...C/IMG_0664.jpg
>>>> >
>>>> I have to disagree with you on this one.
>>>>
>>>> I get cottage cheese in 3 lb containers and have always used them for
>>>> compost stuff. They have a lid, they are free, they can go into the
>>>> dishwasher and are easily sacrificed/recycled if they grown green or
>>>> nasty.
>>>>
>>>> I was given a gift of the stainless mini-can, with filters and
>>>> compostable liners for my birthday last year. It came from King Arthur
>>>> Flour.
>>>>
>>>> First off, the liners are wasteful and not cheap, but aside from that,
>>>> they dissolve with wet goop and the interior of the can gets sloppy.
>>>> It can go into the dishwasher, but frankly, it is big and takes up a
>>>> lot of room.
>>>
>>> We were given a compost can, also by our daughter. It was obvious
>>> whether we were using it or not, since she lived with us when she gave
>>> it to us. Our garbage service has a large can for yard waste and
>>> compostables, so we let them run the compost heap. The compostable bags
>>> say quite clearly that they do not decompose while in use (maybe two
>>> weeks after they get wet?), but that water, but not other stuff, will
>>> leak through the bag. The can has a very sturdy plastic liner that can
>>> then be rinsed out outside with the hose.
>>>
>>>> So...yes, that KA can can be washed, but its size means that it holds
>>>> a LOT of stuff, and that is why it requires an expensive filter,
>>>> because stuff sits there longer than it should. The top has holes in
>>>> it so it does seal, something that old cottage cheese containers do
>>>> easily.
>>>>
>>>> It is so anti-recycling to use this set up, that I think it's a joke.
>>>> Again, it is certainly allowing some folks to save stuff for compost
>>>> in a way that is convenient for them, but to me, it just doesn't cut
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Our setup works for us. I don't know how much I would recommend it.
>>
>>I wish our can had a liner! It does not. Gets really stinky. It's large
>>and hard to wash out and then once you do, it's next to impossible to get
>>it
>>to dry out. It has been raining so much here. My garbage cans are now
>>wet
>>inside as well because the trash people left the lids off in a rain storm.
>
> How difficult can it be to hose out a trash can? My trash consists of
> like 99% spent cat litter yet the can never stinks... Fabuloso! A
> capful poured into the can once a week. Lavender scent works best.
> It's my favorite cleaning product. Naturally trash cans need to be
> periodically scrubbed, a five minute chore about once a month when
> weather permits... it doesn't rain every day where I live.
> http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/U.../Fabuloso.cvsp

It's not hard to hose it out but if it never dries, then it just gets stinky
again.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/2/2011 2:31 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Janet > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>>> I just bought a "Misto" It sprays olive oil. I think it's pretty neat.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3ouy6o4
>>>
>> I had one of those and hated it. When decompressed it was too tall to
>> fit
>> in my cupboard. So I had to leave it out on the counter. It was always
>> in
>> the way and it always seemed to have a nasty oily coating on it that
>> attracted dust. I tossed it.
>
>
> Julie,
>
> Forgive me for asking, but is there anything that you have a "positive"
> feeling about? You are always so negative.
>
> BTW, mine fits just fine in my cabinet. Maybe I just have better cabinets.

Probably everyone has better cabinets than what I had. It was military
housing.

And I did post about the kitchen things that I liked. Perhaps you missed
it?

"Landon" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:06:28 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>>On 4/2/2011 10:55 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:23:02 -0400, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
>>>> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
>>>
>>> I remember when that thing first came out. Reports were anything but
>>> glowing here in rfc. Some of my family members also toyed with it,
>>> but were not impressed and soon stopped using it. I've never even
>>> bothered.
>>>
>>
>>The Misto® is working well for me. I am just using it to spray a
>>little EVOO in a frying pan. It is certainly preferable to the olive oil
>>Pam® in the can with a host of propellants.
>
> Hi Janet, mine wasn't the "Misto" sprayer. It was quite awhile ago and
> I don't recall the name of the one I had. Maybe this one was
> manufactured after fixing the problems with the one I had.
>
> I might consider buying the Misto one and giving it a try.

Mine was the stainless steel Misto. Granted I did get it when they first
came out.

On Apr 2, 8:23*am, Landon > wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:31:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
> >"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> web.com...
> >>I just bought a "Misto" *It sprays olive oil. *I think it's pretty neat.
>
> >I had one of those and hated it. *When decompressed it was too tall to fit
> >in my cupboard. *So I had to leave it out on the counter. *It was always in
> >the way and it always seemed to have a nasty oily coating on it that
> >attracted dust. *I tossed it.
>
> >Now I just put a little oil in the pan or on my dough or whatever and use my
> >hand or a piece of paper towel to spread it around.
>
> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.

Heh, I remember when those dumb things started appearing in kitchens.
They all seemed to disappear around the same time, too. I thought
they were pretty silly.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:11:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:43:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >Stainless steel compost bucket and liners. In my house, all vegetable
>>>>> >waste goes in here and eventually gets dumped into the big compost
>>>>> >bins in the back yard. Liners are made of cornstarch and are
>>>>> >themselves bio-degradable. Source: I forget. If you're really
>>>>> >interested, buzz me and I'll look it up.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/...C/IMG_0664.jpg
>>>>> >
>>>>> I have to disagree with you on this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get cottage cheese in 3 lb containers and have always used them for
>>>>> compost stuff. They have a lid, they are free, they can go into the
>>>>> dishwasher and are easily sacrificed/recycled if they grown green or
>>>>> nasty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was given a gift of the stainless mini-can, with filters and
>>>>> compostable liners for my birthday last year. It came from King Arthur
>>>>> Flour.
>>>>>
>>>>> First off, the liners are wasteful and not cheap, but aside from that,
>>>>> they dissolve with wet goop and the interior of the can gets sloppy.
>>>>> It can go into the dishwasher, but frankly, it is big and takes up a
>>>>> lot of room.
>>>>
>>>> We were given a compost can, also by our daughter. It was obvious
>>>> whether we were using it or not, since she lived with us when she gave
>>>> it to us. Our garbage service has a large can for yard waste and
>>>> compostables, so we let them run the compost heap. The compostable bags
>>>> say quite clearly that they do not decompose while in use (maybe two
>>>> weeks after they get wet?), but that water, but not other stuff, will
>>>> leak through the bag. The can has a very sturdy plastic liner that can
>>>> then be rinsed out outside with the hose.
>>>>
>>>>> So...yes, that KA can can be washed, but its size means that it holds
>>>>> a LOT of stuff, and that is why it requires an expensive filter,
>>>>> because stuff sits there longer than it should. The top has holes in
>>>>> it so it does seal, something that old cottage cheese containers do
>>>>> easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is so anti-recycling to use this set up, that I think it's a joke.
>>>>> Again, it is certainly allowing some folks to save stuff for compost
>>>>> in a way that is convenient for them, but to me, it just doesn't cut
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Our setup works for us. I don't know how much I would recommend it.
>>>
>>>I wish our can had a liner! It does not. Gets really stinky. It's large
>>>and hard to wash out and then once you do, it's next to impossible to get
>>>it
>>>to dry out. It has been raining so much here. My garbage cans are now
>>>wet
>>>inside as well because the trash people left the lids off in a rain storm.
>>
>> How difficult can it be to hose out a trash can? My trash consists of
>> like 99% spent cat litter yet the can never stinks... Fabuloso! A
>> capful poured into the can once a week. Lavender scent works best.
>> It's my favorite cleaning product. Naturally trash cans need to be
>> periodically scrubbed, a five minute chore about once a month when
>> weather permits... it doesn't rain every day where I live.
>> http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/U.../Fabuloso.cvsp
>
>It's not hard to hose it out but if it never dries, then it just gets stinky
>again.

Huh? How difficult is it to dry a trash can... turn it over to drain
for a minute, than stand it upright, with the lid off naturally (wash
the lid too), should be totally dry in less than a half hour... and I
don't even always let it dry in the sun, if it's inclement weather I
bring it back into my garage where it normally lives. During winter
here I don't have to wash the trash cans, at temps below zero odors
don't develop.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:47:58 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
> wrote:

>On Apr 2, 8:23*am, Landon > wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:31:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> web.com...
>> >>I just bought a "Misto" *It sprays olive oil. *I think it's pretty neat.
>>
>> >I had one of those and hated it. *When decompressed it was too tall to fit
>> >in my cupboard. *So I had to leave it out on the counter. *It was always in
>> >the way and it always seemed to have a nasty oily coating on it that
>> >attracted dust. *I tossed it.
>>
>> >Now I just put a little oil in the pan or on my dough or whatever and use my
>> >hand or a piece of paper towel to spread it around.
>>
>> I owned a pump-up olive oil sprayer for years and it didn't give out
>> enough oil to mess with, so it ended up in the trash finally.
>
>Heh, I remember when those dumb things started appearing in kitchens.
>They all seemed to disappear around the same time, too. I thought
>they were pretty silly.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to spray atomized oil indoors,
what happens to all the over spray... all my spray paint cans warn to
spray outdoors and to wear a respirator. When oiling a fry pan as
soon as it gets hot the little bit of oil you poured in spreads out
thinly pretty much all on its own... haven't any of yoose so-called
cooks/kooks ever noticed that as cooking fat heats it loses viscosity
so spreads all on its own, no different from warming up your
automobile engine to get the engine oil flowing into all the nooks,
crannies, and cleavages... a cleavage is just a classier crevice... I
prefer a crevasse.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:25:16 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:34:43 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
> > --
> Then people need to settle on one translation for KA.
>
> I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for translation of acronyms. I
> didn't know what a KA was either even if I have one.

Let's just say, King Arthur was a common translation for KA. They're
talking about compost/garbage, so it would still make absolutely no
sense.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> > Cast-iron pan handle mitt. *Handier than a full length mitt for
> > stovetop work. *Source: ARS
>
> A frugal person with a sewing machine can whip these up from some many
> layered terry towels. or just wrap a towel around the handle a few
> times. Easy to launder and the price is right.

If you do it, congratulations - but you're the only one I've ever
heard of who does that and I know serious sewers. Now that I have a
gas stove, most of mine are singed and I can see how they could start
a serious kitchen fire. One of these days, I'll replace them with the
nonflammable type.





--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:11:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:43:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> Boron Elgar > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT), Silvar Beitel
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> >Stainless steel compost bucket and liners. In my house, all
>>>>>> >vegetable
>>>>>> >waste goes in here and eventually gets dumped into the big compost
>>>>>> >bins in the back yard. Liners are made of cornstarch and are
>>>>>> >themselves bio-degradable. Source: I forget. If you're really
>>>>>> >interested, buzz me and I'll look it up.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/...C/IMG_0664.jpg
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> I have to disagree with you on this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get cottage cheese in 3 lb containers and have always used them
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> compost stuff. They have a lid, they are free, they can go into the
>>>>>> dishwasher and are easily sacrificed/recycled if they grown green or
>>>>>> nasty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was given a gift of the stainless mini-can, with filters and
>>>>>> compostable liners for my birthday last year. It came from King
>>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>> Flour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First off, the liners are wasteful and not cheap, but aside from
>>>>>> that,
>>>>>> they dissolve with wet goop and the interior of the can gets sloppy.
>>>>>> It can go into the dishwasher, but frankly, it is big and takes up a
>>>>>> lot of room.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were given a compost can, also by our daughter. It was obvious
>>>>> whether we were using it or not, since she lived with us when she gave
>>>>> it to us. Our garbage service has a large can for yard waste and
>>>>> compostables, so we let them run the compost heap. The compostable
>>>>> bags
>>>>> say quite clearly that they do not decompose while in use (maybe two
>>>>> weeks after they get wet?), but that water, but not other stuff, will
>>>>> leak through the bag. The can has a very sturdy plastic liner that
>>>>> can
>>>>> then be rinsed out outside with the hose.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So...yes, that KA can can be washed, but its size means that it holds
>>>>>> a LOT of stuff, and that is why it requires an expensive filter,
>>>>>> because stuff sits there longer than it should. The top has holes in
>>>>>> it so it does seal, something that old cottage cheese containers do
>>>>>> easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is so anti-recycling to use this set up, that I think it's a joke.
>>>>>> Again, it is certainly allowing some folks to save stuff for compost
>>>>>> in a way that is convenient for them, but to me, it just doesn't cut
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our setup works for us. I don't know how much I would recommend it.
>>>>
>>>>I wish our can had a liner! It does not. Gets really stinky. It's
>>>>large
>>>>and hard to wash out and then once you do, it's next to impossible to
>>>>get
>>>>it
>>>>to dry out. It has been raining so much here. My garbage cans are now
>>>>wet
>>>>inside as well because the trash people left the lids off in a rain
>>>>storm.
>>>
>>> How difficult can it be to hose out a trash can? My trash consists of
>>> like 99% spent cat litter yet the can never stinks... Fabuloso! A
>>> capful poured into the can once a week. Lavender scent works best.
>>> It's my favorite cleaning product. Naturally trash cans need to be
>>> periodically scrubbed, a five minute chore about once a month when
>>> weather permits... it doesn't rain every day where I live.
>>> http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/U.../Fabuloso.cvsp
>>
>>It's not hard to hose it out but if it never dries, then it just gets
>>stinky
>>again.
>
> Huh? How difficult is it to dry a trash can... turn it over to drain
> for a minute, than stand it upright, with the lid off naturally (wash
> the lid too), should be totally dry in less than a half hour... and I
> don't even always let it dry in the sun, if it's inclement weather I
> bring it back into my garage where it normally lives. During winter
> here I don't have to wash the trash cans, at temps below zero odors
> don't develop.

Nope. Didn't dry in a half an hour. And I really have no place to put it
where it could be out of the rain. It has been raining pretty much
constantly for the past month or so.

Our "garage" is not large enough to hold a car. Perhaps a Smart car. Not
sure. It has some tools, extra canned goods and cat litter. That's about
it. Might be able to get one can in there if we really worked at it, but...
It does get damp in there. In fact during a recent heavy rain the floor
even got wet.

It doesn't get to zero here and in fact doesn't often get to freezing.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:19:38 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:51:25 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>snip
>>Over the winter, the snow was so deep that we could not get to the
>>composters (I have two). I piled up those filled cottage cheese
>>containers in the garage where they froze nicely. When the thaw came,
>>I marched it all out to the composters. No fuss. No muss. No filters.
>>No disintegrating bags.
>snip
>>Boron
>
>Oh, heck. I never thought of letting the stuff freeze. I'd have to
>use a plastic garbage can and see if the raccoons would leave it
>alone.
>Janet


I think the critters would get to the stuff by me if I left it outside
to freeze. Over the years, we gave up keeping cars in the garage and
use it for more practical stuff - like storing frozen compostables and
large tubs of weird plants in the winter.

Boron

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:26:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>>> key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>>> from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>>> (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>>
>> There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>> container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>> idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>> talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>> ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>> thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>
>
>This is where you and I part company. We may not understant what someone
>says, but why must you be so nasty. If you don't understand, just ask.
>Perhaps it is you that is not educated enough to understand what she write.
>
>--

I've given up on her nonsense. She's ****ed 'cause I slapped her down
for bitchy and uncalled for behavior as a newbie in the bread group.
She can chat with Sheldon in the KF (do you think someone needs to
tell her what KF means?).


Boron

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:25:16 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:34:43 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>> This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
>> --
>Then people need to settle on one translation for KA.
>
>I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for translation of acronyms. I
>didn't know what a KA was either even if I have one.

If you had seen the thread from its inception and my original use of
"KA," you would have noticed that it referred to the place where the
mini-compost can was purchased...King Arthur Flour.


Boron

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:18:40 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>> > key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>> > from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>> > (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>>
>> There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>> container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>> idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>> talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>> ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>> thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>
>I've learned over the years of reading this group and observing my wife
>bake, that KA often means King Arthur:
>
>http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/compost-set

Give that man a cigar!

Boron

On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:25:24 -0400, Landon > wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:18:40 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>>> > key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>>> > from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>>> > (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>>>
>>> There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>>> container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>>> idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>>> talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>>> ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>>> thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>>
>>I've learned over the years of reading this group and observing my wife
>>bake, that KA often means King Arthur:
>>
>>http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/compost-set
>
>King Arthur *used to be* a quality maker of quality products. One of
>my nieces was the person who ran their test kitchen. After new
>ownership of the company, its products were revised and the quality
>dropped radically. My niece quit working there as a result. She was
>told by the owners that her remarks about their products weren't
>needed...hahaha, crack me up! Have a test kitchen and don't listen to
>the person running it....ok...then why have one?


When did the change-over happen?

Boron

>>Landon wrote:
>>King Arthur *used to be* a quality maker of quality products. One of
>>my nieces was the person who ran their test kitchen. After new
>>ownership of the company, its products were revised and the quality
>>dropped radically. My niece quit working there as a result. She was
>>told by the owners that her remarks about their products weren't
>>needed...hahaha, crack me up! Have a test kitchen and don't listen to
>>the person running it....ok...then why have one?

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:43:26 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>When did the change-over happen?
>
>Boron

I'll have to email my niece and ask her. I believe it was about 3 or 4
years ago.

I just emailed her.

On 4/4/2011 11:42 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:25:16 -0400, James Silverton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:34:43 +0100, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is not an educational paper. This is a discussion in a food group!
>>> --
>> Then people need to settle on one translation for KA.
>>
>> I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for translation of acronyms. I
>> didn't know what a KA was either even if I have one.
>
> If you had seen the thread from its inception and my original use of
> "KA," you would have noticed that it referred to the place where the
> mini-compost can was purchased...King Arthur Flour.
>
>
> Boron
>
>
You are hoping for a lot if you expect anyone to read the whole of a
thread :-)

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:38:41 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:26:46 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:16:08 -0400, Boron Elgar
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The key is not to use a cottage cheese container - the sweet, green
>>>> key, at least to me, is using something that is, itself, recycled
>>>> from a previous use and does not require newly manufactured materials
>>>> (in the case of the KA can, both bags AND filters) to function.
>>>
>>> There's where your logic breaks down for me. A cottage cheese
>>> container *is* recycled and repurposed when used that way. I have no
>>> idea what anyone means by KA in this sense. Usually people are
>>> talking about their Kitchen Aid mixer when they say KA. I will simply
>>> ignore that part of your message because it's makes no sense to me. I
>>> thought college educated people were supposed to know how to write.
>>
>>
>>This is where you and I part company. We may not understant what someone
>>says, but why must you be so nasty. If you don't understand, just ask.
>>Perhaps it is you that is not educated enough to understand what she write.
>>
>>--
>
>I've given up on her nonsense. She's ****ed 'cause I slapped her down
>for bitchy and uncalled for behavior as a newbie in the bread group.
>She can chat with Sheldon in the KF (do you think someone needs to
>tell her what KF means?).

She was one of the first additions to my file. There's some serious
brain damage going on over there.

Lou