In article >, Brooklyn1
says...
> capsicums are native to the Americas.... capsicums are now grown world
> wide, same as many other types of produce that're native to the
> Americas are grown worldwide. Prior to the discovery of the New World
> food choices elsewhere were pretty boring.
>
>

I think you will find that Capsicums are a world fruit, otherwise
Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi not to mention Chinese food would have been
non existent before the discovery of the "new world", but the "new
world" was discovered by mistake, while trying to find a shorter route
than the established trade route, for European merchants and traders.

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In article > ,
says...
>
> In article >, Brooklyn1
> says...
> > capsicums are native to the Americas.... capsicums are now grown world
> > wide, same as many other types of produce that're native to the
> > Americas are grown worldwide. Prior to the discovery of the New World
> > food choices elsewhere were pretty boring.
> >
> >
>
> I think you will find that Capsicums are a world fruit, otherwise
> Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi not to mention Chinese food would have been
> non existent before the discovery of the "new world", but the "new
> world" was discovered by mistake, while trying to find a shorter route
> than the established trade route, for European merchants and traders.

I think you will find that Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Chinese food
used seasonings of genus Piper before the introduction of Capsicum from
the New World.

"Elder" > ha scritto nel messaggio

Brooklyn1
> says...
>> capsicums are native to the Americas.... capsicums are now grown world
>> wide, same as many other types of produce that're native to the
>> Americas are grown worldwide. Prior to the discovery of the New World
>> food choices elsewhere were pretty boring.
>>
>>
>
> I think you will find that Capsicums are a world fruit, otherwise
> Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi not to mention Chinese food would have been
> non existent before the discovery of the "new world",

There is food without capsicum, there just isn't as much heat. When they
were seeking a route to the spices, they didn't mean chili peppers.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:04:05 +0200, "Giusi" > wrote:

> There is food without capsicum, there just isn't as much heat. When they
> were seeking a route to the spices, they didn't mean chili peppers.

I wonder how spicy and hot came to be equated? I didn't know they
were synonymous before I came to California and heard it used in that
way here. Took me a while to understand what they meant. Before
that, spicy (in the lexicon where I came from) meant highly spiced
with real spices and had nothing to do with chili peppers.

--

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:23:57 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article ocal>,
> "J. Clarke" > wrote:
>
> >
> > I think you will find that Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Chinese food
> > used seasonings of genus Piper before the introduction of Capsicum from
> > the New World.
>
> You made me google that one. :-)
> Interesting read and very on topic:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_(genus)>

So that's what Long Pepper looks like. My imagination wasn't too far
off.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:23:57 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article ocal>,
> "J. Clarke" > wrote:
>
>> In article > ,
>> says...
>> >
>> > In article >, Brooklyn1
>> > says...
>> > > capsicums are native to the Americas.... capsicums are now grown world
>> > > wide, same as many other types of produce that're native to the
>> > > Americas are grown worldwide. Prior to the discovery of the New World
>> > > food choices elsewhere were pretty boring.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > I think you will find that Capsicums are a world fruit, otherwise
>> > Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi not to mention Chinese food would have been
>> > non existent before the discovery of the "new world", but the "new
>> > world" was discovered by mistake, while trying to find a shorter route
>> > than the established trade route, for European merchants and traders.
>>
>> I think you will find that Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Chinese food
>> used seasonings of genus Piper before the introduction of Capsicum from
>> the New World.
>
>You made me google that one. :-)
>Interesting read and very on topic:

Peppercorns have been used for a very long time but they are not
capsicums.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:01:52 +0100, Elder
> wrote:

>In article >, Brooklyn1
>says...
>> capsicums are native to the Americas.... capsicums are now grown world
>> wide, same as many other types of produce that're native to the
>> Americas are grown worldwide. Prior to the discovery of the New World
>> food choices elsewhere were pretty boring.
>>
>>
>
>I think you will find that Capsicums are a world fruit, otherwise
>Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi not to mention Chinese food would have been
>non existent before the discovery of the "new world", but the "new
>world" was discovered by mistake, while trying to find a shorter route
>than the established trade route, for European merchants and traders.

Are you dense? You probably think pineapples originated in Hawaii,
tomatoes in Italy, green beans in France, and potatoes in Ireland.
Didja know that there is no produce originating from down under except
the macadamia... most everything that grows there is not only inedible
but toxic.

Elder wrote:
> In article >, Brooklyn1
> says...
>> capsicums are native to the Americas.... capsicums are now grown world
>> wide, same as many other types of produce that're native to the
>> Americas are grown worldwide. Prior to the discovery of the New World
>> food choices elsewhere were pretty boring.
>>
>>
>
> I think you will find that Capsicums are a world fruit, otherwise
> Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi not to mention Chinese food would have been
> non existent before the discovery of the "new world", but the "new
> world" was discovered by mistake, while trying to find a shorter route
> than the established trade route, for European merchants and traders.
>
Chiles are most definitely from the new world. The cuisines
wouldn't have been "nonexistent"; they would have been very different.

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:23:57 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> In article ocal>,
>> "J. Clarke" > wrote:
>>
>>> I think you will find that Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Chinese food
>>> used seasonings of genus Piper before the introduction of Capsicum from
>>> the New World.
>> You made me google that one. :-)
>> Interesting read and very on topic:
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_(genus)>
>
> So that's what Long Pepper looks like. My imagination wasn't too far
> off.
>
And I actually found (and immediately grabbed) some a month or two
ago!

--
Jean B.

In article >, Brooklyn1
says...
> Are you dense? You probably think pineapples originated in Hawaii,
> tomatoes in Italy, green beans in France, and potatoes in Ireland.
> Didja know that there is no produce originating from down under except
> the macadamia... most everything that grows there is not only inedible
> but toxic.
>

I know that propagation and spread of growth across continents doesn't
require human intervention.

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On Apr 5, 7:13*pm, Elder > wrote:

> I know that propagation and spread of growth across continents doesn't
> require human intervention.

Across oceans can be a little more problematic.

Archaeologists, anthropologists, botanists, and specialists whose
fields span two or more of those disciplines have discovered
the origins and mapped out the spread of New World foods.

You should do some investigation, rather than making
stuff up. Here's a start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_peppers#History

No need to thank me.

Cindy Hamilton

In article
>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Apr 5, 7:13*pm, Elder > wrote:
>
> > I know that propagation and spread of growth across continents doesn't
> > require human intervention.
>
> Across oceans can be a little more problematic.
>
> Archaeologists, anthropologists, botanists, and specialists whose
> fields span two or more of those disciplines have discovered
> the origins and mapped out the spread of New World foods.
>
> You should do some investigation, rather than making
> stuff up. Here's a start:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_peppers#History
>
> No need to thank me.

Thanks, Cindy. And I won't ask you to explain about the potatoes in
Ireland and the tomatoes in Italy, neither of which are native there,
and came from the New World.

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Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA