On 4/12/2011 1:44 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/11/2011 8:13 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:00:44 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In >,
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/11/2011 5:39 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you've never eaten at one then. That's pretty much all the
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> kids do in there. Or were you implying she might work there? If so,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> pretty insulting. I never worked in fast food and I never would. She
>>>>>> wouldn't either. With her food allergies, she couldn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> This place gets more entertaining daily. It's like reality tv, you know
>>>>> it's awful, yet you just can't help yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm almost convinced that Julie is a very dedicated troll, because she
>>>>> simply can't be for real.
>>>>
>>>> <snork> Come sit by me Ð I've thought that since her early posts
>>>> here. Maybe she's doing research on how to engage people online,
>>>
>>> <tap, tap,> come sit by me. I think she/he is one of our own having
>>> wayyy too much fun. What-or-who-evah it is, this beats reality t.v. to
>>> the max.
>>
>> I'm surprised by both of you. I don't think Julie is playing any game.
>> I think she just writes what she's thinking. I don't agree with
>> disclosing so much, but I've written on Usenet more than I should.
>> Should I be subject to what Julie is getting from you all? NO! Or
>> should I?
>
> Your not as weird, and contribute lots of useful things as well!
> I, too, am often guilty of TMI but I'm learning. Life it getting tough
> for me at the moment but I won't go into detail.
>
> And only one person on the food lists and one person that's an e-mail
> friend remembered my birthday last week. Even my sister never
> acknowledged it this year. I didn't remind her...
>
> There. That's my whine for the day!<g>

Awww! Well, Happy Birthday!

On 4/12/2011 3:18 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Why not, Boogieman... you claim to have spent over ten years lurking,
> you're nobody to be talking reality... if you're to be believed... no
> one who claims to have lurked for more than a few weeks is telling the
> truth. Long time lurkers never post and if they do they never say
> they were lurkers. Claiming long time lurkdom is just an idiotic
> ploy, a feeble attempt to gain credibility as if they can transfer
> their lurking time to regular poster time... a method to join the club
> without paying dues... just the same as those who claim they used to
> post under the hijacked name of someone who years ago died. I knew
> immediately that you were no long time lurker, what you are is
> dishonest. Were you really a long time lurker you never would have
> written: "This place gets more entertaining daily." DUH

Oh how exciting, the resident little old senile man has responded, yay!

Newsflash pops, your attempts at trolling are just like you: weak, lame
and tired. In fact, you don't even know what real trolling is. Without
a doubt, Julie has been the best troll this group has seen in a while,
so props to her for that. Although, I've seen much, much better.
Trolling is an art form, and you simply don't have the finesse to pull
it off. It's kinda like Om and her attempts at dirty jokes. It puts me
in mind of a scene from Fight Club, where the dying woman in the cancer
support group is desperate for one last roll in the hay. She offers
herself to anyone in the group, along with a wide array of sexual
enhancements. It's not funny, it's just sad.

Move along, you're in over your head.

Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-91943C.20412512042011
@news.giganews.com:

> In article >,
> Cheryl > wrote:
>
>> > There. That's my whine for the day!<g>
>>
>> Awww! Well, Happy Birthday!
>
> Thanks!
>
> At 49, I think _I'll_ do my best to forget about it next year. <g>


Well, I'm very sorry I missed out on wishing you a happy birthday.... I
used to look at the 'Birthdays' page on the website a fair bit, but rarely
go there anymore.

So I'll just give you best wishes for the job interview, and pencil in
your 50th for next year :-)


You *have* to celebrate your 50th!! Mine went for 17 days, and involved a
week on a houseboat, with ensuing party with about 30 people (I made sure
they all knew not to go to the same side of the boat at the same time!!).

We stopped off on a sandbank out in the middle of Moreton Bay and had a
sausage sizzle for lunch. It was great standing there on this tiny little
island (about the size of a suburban backyard) surrounded by miles of
water on all sides, with all these boats going by all round, kicking back,
having a BBQ and drinking plenty of good wine :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

not really, hopefully the negative consequences will have eliminated most of
those people, and positive consequences will acrrue to the parental units of
said children... its more like they will have to deal with what we leave
them, Lee
"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> i have found this thread fascinating because so many have opinions about
>> what julie is doing wrong, in posting/parenting/eating/// but it is so
>> facinating that noone uses that everpresent kf and moves on, i live very
>> differently than julie does, and my philospohy is vastly different, but i
>> don't find her offensive... and as long as i am not sitting her child i
>> don't care how she raises her... i am not the one who will have to deal
>> with
>> the consequences good or bad...
>
> Really? Don't we all have to "deal with" how the next generation
> grows up? IMO we do.
>
> i took a long rambling way to say that if
>> you are really so upset by another poster please use your kf...
>
> Lead us by your example ( useful tip to parents).
>
> Janet

nononoo!!!

at thirty you quit pretending to be under twenty.

at fourty you quit hiding the fact you sometimes take a nap,
at fourty five you quit making excuses for said naps

at fifty, you proudly procalaim that you do take a nap, you have a right to
and nobody better mess with naptime unless they are bringing you a million
bucks or are bleeding from an artery.

Lee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> Cheryl > wrote:
>
>> > There. That's my whine for the day!<g>
>>
>> Awww! Well, Happy Birthday!
>
> Thanks!
>
> At 49, I think _I'll_ do my best to forget about it next year. <g>
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
> "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh."
> --Robert Heinlien

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:37:35 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> I hope this one works out. I'm sick of hospital politics and a reference
> lab would be a nice break. Those jobs are hard to come by as they tend
> to have very low turnovers... for good reason.

I "hear you" Om and hope everything works out for you. Hopefully
nothing has been jinxed by talking about it here.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:33:30 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> Oh shuddup.

I hate LOL as a follow up post.... but LOL anyway.

HA!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

one of my favorites is orzo, Lee
"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/12/2011 3:29 AM, Omelet wrote:
>> In >,
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:05:00 -0500, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I figured it'd
>>>> be good for a kid's party. They could be inverted and stuffed with tuna
>>>> salad or something.
>>>
>>> It's not for kids parties, it's for tourists.
>>
>> Meh! I doubt many tourists shop at our local grocery stores. ;-)
>> These were not for sale in a tourista gift shop.
>
> Honestly, despite the vast and ingenious varieties of paste, how many do
> we actually use? Colored noodles look fine before they are cooked but very
> faded when served, especially with a sauce. I guess I do use wide, regular
> and very thin spaghetti noodles, macaroni, ravioli, stuffed pasta of other
> types but not much else. I found noodles flavored with spinach, cuttlefish
> ink etc. to be lacking in taste and have never bought then again. I guess
> I will add manicotti and lasagna to the noodles I like but I've only eaten
> manicotti in restaurants.
>
> --
>
>
> James Silverton, Potomac
>
> I'm "not"
>

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:35:26 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
> >
> > I need a picture of these things. I just realized you said they are
> > stuffable. Sounds like tourist shop material to me!
>
> Here is a site that mentions them, and has a lot of other cool pasta
> shapes like roosters and Autumn leaves.
>
> <http://www.thenibble.com/zine/archiv...y-shaped-pasta
> .asp>
>
> Ah, at last! A cooked dish with the Sombrero pastas!:
>
> <http://blogs.poughkeepsiejournal.com...stuff-a-sombre
roni-for-a-colorful-dish//>
>
> And another:
>
> <http://www.cookaround.com/cook/itali...?id_en_ricetta
> =226>
>
> And finally, a still dry one:
>
> <http://www.olivelle.com/sombreroni-mexican-hats.html>
>
> And:
>
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/94393434@N00/5234735342/>
>
> :-)

CUTE! Thanks for the pictures. They are definitely not your run of
the mill, everyday, stuffable pasta and I wonder why they aren't sold
in shops closer to where parents of local university students would be
shopping when they're in town.

Am I mistaken or do those " sombreros" start off as flat disks that
are boiled and then shaped into rounds or hats?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:18:53 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 02:26:09 -0500, Omelet >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > What's the most interesting pasta you have ever seen?
> > > >
> > > > Creste di Gallo (cock's comb) made by the late great D. Merlino & Sons
> > > > of Oakland, CA. Their Alita brand offered dozens of cuts.
> > >
> > > I tried going to their website... Maybe I did not look in the right
> > > place for pastas?
> >
> > You found a working website? I even tried google images and didn't
> > turn it up.
>
> Ok, I re-followed the links and found some. Does not look all that fancy
> to me:
>
> <http://www.gourmet-food.com/gourmet-...asta-103693.as
> px>


Wow, small world! That brand makes the paccheri I found last week.
I've never seen it (the brand or the shape) outside of Lucca's.
Cock's Comb is a more common shape. I've seen that many times.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:35:26 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:



>
>Here is a site that mentions them, and has a lot of other cool pasta
>shapes like roosters and Autumn leaves.
>
><http://www.thenibble.com/zine/archiv...y-shaped-pasta
>.asp>
>
>Ah, at last! A cooked dish with the Sombrero pastas!:
>
><http://blogs.poughkeepsiejournal.com...stuff-a-sombre
>roni-for-a-colorful-dish/>
>
>
They make an attractive dish, thanks for the pics.
Janet

In article >,
Cheryl > wrote:

> On 4/11/2011 10:25 PM, Goomba wrote:
> > Cheryl wrote:
> >
> >> I'm surprised by both of you. I don't think Julie is playing any game.
> >> I think she just writes what she's thinking. I don't agree with
> >> disclosing so much, but I've written on Usenet more than I should.
> >> Should I be subject to what Julie is getting from you all? NO! Or
> >> should I?
> >>
> > Sometimes, yes.
>
> Oh shuddup.

"If you don't like the answer you might get, you shouldn't ask the
question."

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

On 4/12/2011 9:41 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>>> There. That's my whine for the day!<g>
>>
>> Awww! Well, Happy Birthday!
>
> Thanks!
>
> At 49, I think _I'll_ do my best to forget about it next year.<g>

If it's any consolation, I was a '62 baby, too, so I'm right there with you.

Sycophant wrote:

>>> Two bites, one of which is another FTF interview Wednesday morning....
>>> at 5 am. I figure I'm going to have to leave here around 2 am to avoid
>>> Austin morning rush hour traffic. It starts getting bad around 3:30 or
>>> so.
>>
>> Holy cow to all the times! 5:30 AM interview? Rush hour traffic at
>> 3:30 AM? UGH!
>>
>> Good luck on the interview, traffic or not.
>
> Thanks!
>
> They scheduled it at 05:00 so both the lab manager and the night shift
> supervisor would get to interview me.
>
> I hope this one works out. I'm sick of hospital politics and a reference
> lab would be a nice break. Those jobs are hard to come by as they tend
> to have very low turnovers... for good reason.


How did the interview go? They didn't ask you to take a drug test, did they?

Bob

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:33:09 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> It's just a matter of time...

Sending good vibes your way!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:35:21 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> Our eldest is 12 1/2. We trust him to watch his siblings for a short
> while when we are gone. Both my husband and I were babysitting
> non-family by that age. Our 10 year old is also capable of keeping an
> eye on his siblings for an hour or two. Even our eight year old son can
> watch his little sisters and brother while we are out of the house, but
> available on the property.

You don't need to make excuses or apologize for a 12+ year old
babysitting. Back when my kids were kids, the legal age for
(unsupervised) babysitters was 11.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Apr 7, 9:36*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>
> Got me. *Of course the people on the show go out of their way
> to get coupons. *One woman dumpster dives, people write away
> for coupons, another woman somehow gets her newspaper to give
> her all the spare coupon inserts they usually toss. *Still, I get two
> papers and that means I get 2 coupons on any given product.
> Hardly stacks of them.
>

I haven't seen the program, but I have seen articles and clips on tv
that talk about these coupon deals. They depend on stores that do not
follow the rules on the coupons. I don't know if those stores are
taking the loss, or whether they are breaking the rules when redeeming
the coupons themselves.

For example, the extreme coupon people will find a coupon for buy one
get one free peanut butter and another coupon for $1 off the peanut
butter. According to the rules, only one coupon can be applied per
item, so the buy one free coupn applies to both jars of peanut butter.
Where I work, we cannot accept the $1 off coupon unless there is a
third jar of peanut butter. But these extreme coupon people are able
to use both coupons. Most stores only do one store coupon and one
manufacturer coupon, but never two manufactuer coupons on the same
item.

Another rule is no cash back on a product. If the coupon is for a free
item up to $2.49, and the item is on sale for $1.99, the extreme
coupon person is at a store that credits the whole $2.49 while most
stores do not.

These extreme coupon people would never have success at the stores in
my area. None of them do double or triple coupons, nor do they apply
multiple coupons to the same item. The checkstands are now programmed
to make sure exact items are purchased, limits are not exceeded, etc.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:45:42 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:35:21 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Our eldest is 12 1/2. We trust him to watch his siblings for a short
> > > while when we are gone. Both my husband and I were babysitting
> > > non-family by that age. Our 10 year old is also capable of keeping an
> > > eye on his siblings for an hour or two. Even our eight year old son can
> > > watch his little sisters and brother while we are out of the house, but
> > > available on the property.
> >
> > You don't need to make excuses or apologize for a 12+ year old
> > babysitting. Back when my kids were kids, the legal age for
> > (unsupervised) babysitters was 11.
>
> It's legal here, I was just surprised at the idea of a 12 year old
> needing babysitting for an evening out for dinner. We certainly make
> sure there is someone here or they go to another home if we're gone
> overnight or more, or if we will be far away where we couldn't get back
> home quickly since he can't drive.
>
I agree completely. Some emergencies that aren't life or death need
an adult nearby. We came home to a pile of towels at the bottom of
our stairs once. It turned out that a pipe had come loose underneath
the sink in the bathroom at the top of the stairs and there was a
waterfall going down them. The babysitter called her dad when she
discovered the problem. Her parents and the parents of the other
girls who babysat for us came over, repaired the pipe and cleaned up
the mess. The only thing we had left to do was wash towels.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Apr 9, 4:38*pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits >
wrote:

> * *I just know that in an economy such as we have, in a place where we
> live now that is more remote, and even in our former home which wasn't
> remote at all, but did have weather issues, still, it makes me feel a
> bit more secure to have enough to eat for the family regardless. *If it
> really came down to it, we could eat out of our freezers and pantry for
> quite a while, though the meals wouldn't be nearly as exciting. *
>


I like to have enough on hand to last a month or a few months,
depending on what it is. Ideally, I keep enough of most things, that
should I lose my job or get sick for an extended time, my only
purchases would be perishable items and a few odds and ends. But in
general, I would have enough food to go awhile without stress. I
started this several years ago when a strike was looking like a strong
possibility. I bought a 12 cubic foot freezer and stocked it with
meats that were on sale. And i keep a variety of dry pasta, rice,
canned items, etc.

I try to stay ahead on pet supplies as well. I have 4 cats. I buy the
dry food in 15 lb bags and one flavor in a 30 lb bag. The 15 lb bag
was discontinued, and the 30 lb bag only costs twice the cost of the 6
lb bag. It also happens to be the favorite flavor for the two hungry
boys, so it goes faster than the other flavors. I also serve canned
food as one cat has teeth problems, and will rarely eat dry food. That
means teh boys will eat some too, so I usually open 4 of the 3 oz cans
each day. I buy it by the case, and I try to have at least 2 weeks
worth at any one time. So, I will buy as much as I can when I am at
the pet store or Walmart since they are cheaper there than the grocery
store, and i don't go there as often. The kitty litter I like is
spendy, so I buy it wholesale from a vendor friend. I usually buy 2 or
3 of the 40 lb bags at a time. It's a better deal that way, and my
friend only does an order every 4-6 weeks. Sometimes, I don't need
any, and other times I stock up.

I've never seen the extreme coupon program, but I do watch the
hoarding program sometimes. Anytime I feel like I need to get caught
up on cleaning, I watch that program, and I am ready to clean big
time.

On Apr 10, 6:45*pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> does a child need a sitter at 12 or is that part of the punishment? *Lee,
> childless so i haven't a clue

Depends on the child. I know some that I would not leave alone at age
12.

The summer I turned 12, I was babysitting 3 kids Monday through
Friday, 8am to 5pm. There was a toddler, a 3 year old, and a 5 year
old.

On Apr 11, 12:49*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Miche" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> >> "Giusi" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> > "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>
> >> >>> Perhaps you thrive on that sort of drama. *I could not live that way,
> >> >>> and I know that it is within my power to change the situation.
>
> >> >> Whatever. *I guess you look at going to a restaurant as some sort of
> >> >> treat or something. *For me? *Just another fact of life.
>
> >> > What a statement. *Do you think we are a bunch of clueless rubes with
> >> > no
> >> > lives away from here? *I am not, nor do I think Felice and Dave are.
> >> > We
> >> > might be those folks at the next table whose dinner has just been
> >> > ruined.
>
> >> > What we have been is parents. *Parents are grownups who help small
> >> > people
> >> > learn how to live in the real world. *The real world requires that you
> >> > behave in what is called a civilized manner unless you want to miss out
> >> > on
> >> > a lot of opportunities.
> >> > Sometimes being a parent means being tough, sometimes it means feeling
> >> > awful about having to discipline a child and sometimes it means being
> >> > proud of how well said child carries off what he has learned.
> >> > Someday your child has the chance of reacting on the job the way she
> >> > acts
> >> > towards you. *Why wouldn't she? *It works. *On the job it will not
> >> > work.
> >> > People will not be willing to put up with the selfishness and dramatics
> >> > you describe. *So, socially it is likely not to work.
> >> > We have nothing to go on but what you report. *That's what it sounds
> >> > like
> >> > to us. *I remain shocked that you expose your child so innocently and
> >> > think this behavior, both hers and yours, is OK.
>
> >> And it surprises me that you bunch thing *your* behavior is okay. *But
> >> then
> >> I guess I know some people are just judgmental. **shrugs*
>
> >> You act like you think I'm a young person. *I'm not. *I worked. *I'm
> >> retired. *My behavior suited me then and suits me now just fine.
>
> > Well that's great, but a child who screams when she gets the wrong
> > texture in her mouth and who messes with other people's food, bangs on
> > the table and screams at her mother _in a restaurant_ is likely to grow
> > up to be an adult who behaves inappropriately in the workplace. *Giusi
> > is trying to tell you -- rightly, btw -- that bosses won't put up with
> > it.
>
> > I hope I never, ever have to work with her.
>
> Are you a dancer?

Isn't your daughter 12? How do you know that she will be a dancer for
her career? Competition for that type of work will be tough. Not just
with talent and skill, but limited jobs in a market that depends on
people's extra money. When times are tight, people cut back on
entertainment. Also, a single injury could cancel your daughter's
dreams. Or she may decide that she wants to do something else. I
would never count on a job like this to be the only possibility. Lots
of kids completely change their goals during school and even during
college. I went to college for physics, and I am doing photography
now.

On Apr 11, 4:45*am, The Cook > wrote:

>
> As I got older I realized that how I acted not only reflected on me,
> but on her and maybe the extended family. *I remember that not long
> after I was married we were invited to Cape Cod to visit friends of my
> husband's parents. *One night dinner was among other things lamb and
> zucchini. *At that time I did not care for either one, but I ate them
> and I sincerely hope that my hostess did not notice that I was not
> thrilled with the dinner. *I would not have embarrassed her, me, my
> husband and my mother-in-law for the world.


Exactly., There are a LOT of foods that I do not like, mostly due to
texture. But I will eat them if I need to in order to be polite. If
the item is spicy, I will politely explain that I cannot eat spicy
food. But just about anything else, I can get down if I really have
to. Even if it normally makes me gag. I will take bites of something
else or sips of water or pop to help get it down.

I am one of the pickiest people I know, BUT I was taught to be polite.
I don't expect people to cater to m. I know many "normal" people are
rude about not eating something, and i am surprised that they would
behave that way in public.

On Apr 11, 5:02*am, Boogiemeister > wrote:

> Same here. *I recall one occasion when I was about 8, and visiting a
> friend of my mother's. *Meatloaf was on the menu, and it was one thing I
> truly disliked. *But I ate it without so much as a peep, and when
> seconds were offered, I politely declined on the basis of being full. *I
> knew better than to embarrass my mother. *I think most of us did, as
> there would be consequences. *Consequences being the key word.

Last summer, my sister and I went to Colorado, Utah, and Arizona for a
trip. We spent a few days with our cousin and his family. One night,
they served homemade pot pie. I dislike most veggies. Especially peas
and green beans, which were both in the pot pie. I ate a good size
slice and finished it. Had it not had the beans in it, I would have
accepted seconds as it was really good. My sister told me later in
private that she worried how I would do with the peas and beans, but
was amazed at how I didn't even let on for a second that there was a
problem with that meal. I actually surprised myself by liking the
peas in that dish as they were cooked differently. Still didn't like
the beans. I just made sure that every bite with a green bean had lots
of sauce and crust in it.

Part of being an adult is doing things that you don't especially like,
without complaint. Or drama.

On Apr 11, 7:22Â*am, Melba's Jammin' >
wrote:

>
> But you're a responsible adult, Miche. Â*I know a couple people who'd be
> *more than happy* to go on the dole before deigning to a fast food job. Â*
> And when I think of *those* folks, I also think of a young family I know
> and love who've been struck by the economy €¹ they have two littles and
> mom and dad have 10 (TEN!!) Â*part-time jobs between them to keep the
> family afloat. Â*Those are the folks who have my respect.


Back in the 80s, my family moved to Iowa, just as the farm crisis hit.
My dad was a Boeing mechanic, and they didn't need an aircraft
mechanic in Iowa, and jobs were tight. He could have taken
unemployment, but he worked full time at a chainsaw repair place. He
also cleaned a computer store 3 times a week. During spring and
summer, he would open up the various parks around town and change the
trash. After school, my mom picked me up, and we would do the other
parks in town,. I did the trash, and she did the bathrooms. We all
helped to mow a cemetery every few weeks. I was only 10 or 11, so they
would strap the bar down on my mower, and I would steer it and call
for help when I was done. My dad and my brother would dig graves at
another cemetery when needed. We only stayed there 4 years. My dad
moved back after 3 years, got his job back at Boeing, and saved up
until we could afford to move back to Seattle. It was a tough learning
experience, but it sure taught us kids about worth ethics.

On Apr 13, 9:27*pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits >
wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > I guess you've never eaten at one then. *That's pretty much all the little
> > kids do in there. *Or were you implying she might work there? *If so, that's
> > pretty insulting. *I never worked in fast food and I never would. *She
> > wouldn't either. *With her food allergies, she couldn't.
>
> * *While I understand that food allergies might keep her out of such
> work, why is it insulting that she might work there? *
>


It's an attitude that a lot of people have. They assume they are
better than those people, and many of them are rude to service people.
Same with restaurants, grocery stores, Walmart, etc. They are all
people, and we don't know their story. Just because it is a lower
paying job, doesn't mean that the person is less respectable.

" wrote:
>
>I like to have enough on hand to last a month or a few months,
>depending on what it is. Ideally, I keep enough of most things, that
>should I lose my job or get sick for an extended time, my only
>purchases would be perishable items and a few odds and ends. But in
>general, I would have enough food to go awhile without stress. I
>started this several years ago when a strike was looking like a strong
>possibility. I bought a 12 cubic foot freezer and stocked it with
>meats that were on sale.

You'd have been way ahead had you put your emergency meat money in a
savings account where it would collect a little interest while you
shopped judiciously over time... you spent more on that freezer than
you could have possibly saved on the meat you filled it with plus you
have that extra not so insignificant electric bill, certainly more
each month than the cost of your meat for a week... and guaranteed
there'd be items you stuffed in that freezer that get forgotten and
eventually end up in the trash. There is no way a small family saves
money with a large freezer. The typical refrigerator freezer has
enough freezer space for a family of four, certainly for a single. A
freezer is only a convenience so one needn't shop every day, not a
means to save money... a stand alone freezer is only a savings when
one lives say more than fifty miles from a stupidmarket. And freezing
meat reduces its quality value to below its sale price so by stocking
a freezer with meat there is never any savings. A larger family, say
six+ people can benefit by having a separate freezer but one no larger
than the freezer space alloted to a family of four with the typical
refrigerator freezer and including the freezer space in that
refrigerator freezer. For a large family it makes more sense to have
two refrigerator freezers... for a large family it's the refrigerator
space that's typically in short supply.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:08:27 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Apr 9, 4:38*pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits >
>wrote:
>
>> * *I just know that in an economy such as we have, in a place where we
>> live now that is more remote, and even in our former home which wasn't
>> remote at all, but did have weather issues, still, it makes me feel a
>> bit more secure to have enough to eat for the family regardless. *If it
>> really came down to it, we could eat out of our freezers and pantry for
>> quite a while, though the meals wouldn't be nearly as exciting. *
>>
>
>
>I like to have enough on hand to last a month or a few months,
>depending on what it is. Ideally, I keep enough of most things, that
>should I lose my job or get sick for an extended time, my only
>purchases would be perishable items and a few odds and ends. But in
>general, I would have enough food to go awhile without stress. I
>started this several years ago when a strike was looking like a strong
>possibility. I bought a 12 cubic foot freezer and stocked it with
>meats that were on sale. And i keep a variety of dry pasta, rice,
>canned items, etc.
>
>I try to stay ahead on pet supplies as well. I have 4 cats. I buy the
>dry food in 15 lb bags and one flavor in a 30 lb bag. The 15 lb bag
>was discontinued, and the 30 lb bag only costs twice the cost of the 6
>lb bag. It also happens to be the favorite flavor for the two hungry
>boys, so it goes faster than the other flavors. I also serve canned
>food as one cat has teeth problems, and will rarely eat dry food. That
>means teh boys will eat some too, so I usually open 4 of the 3 oz cans
>each day. I buy it by the case, and I try to have at least 2 weeks
>worth at any one time. So, I will buy as much as I can when I am at
>the pet store or Walmart since they are cheaper there than the grocery
>store, and i don't go there as often. The kitty litter I like is
>spendy, so I buy it wholesale from a vendor friend. I usually buy 2 or
>3 of the 40 lb bags at a time. It's a better deal that way, and my
>friend only does an order every 4-6 weeks. Sometimes, I don't need
>any, and other times I stock up.

Cat food/litter is a different issue, it needs no refrigeration, it's
not a perishable... when on sale I buy as much as I have space. Which
litter do you buy, and are you sure you're really saving from your
friend, I suspect not much savings if you buy in such small amounts...
40 pounds lasts me no more than a week, but I usually go through 60
pounds a week. I've tried them all and have found Tidy Cat, the
Purina brand, is best... I buy it in the 20 pound plastic jugs, much
easier to carry and handle than the large bags... it comes in 40 pound
buckets too but the savings is only a half cent per pound, not enough
to make lugging 40 pound buckets worth the trouble. Why would you buy
at a pet store, they have the highest prices... no one beats or even
comes close to Walmart's prices for pet supplies.

>I've never seen the extreme coupon program.

If you go to the pet supply company web sites and register they will
regularly snail mail you valuable coupons and lots of free samples,
plus they hardly ever send spam, maybe once a year to hawk their cat
calendar, which is a very good price for a very nice calendar... plus
they sell nice products at their web sites, and many are free so save
labels/UPC codes and visit their sites regularly as they send no spam.

wrote:
> On Apr 7, 9:36 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> her all the spare coupon inserts they usually toss. Still, I get two
>> papers and that means I get 2 coupons on any given product.
>> Hardly stacks of them.

> I haven't seen the program, but I have seen articles and clips on tv
> that talk about these coupon deals.

You know, it would be interesting to hear what you thought
if you did watch the show, since you work in the business.

> They depend on stores that do not
> follow the rules on the coupons. I don't know if those stores are
> taking the loss, or whether they are breaking the rules when redeeming
> the coupons themselves.

No one has explained it to my satisfaction, how these people get
so much stuff for free or pennies. I run across a deal like that once
in a blue moon. Rarely.

Of course that doesn't count the couple of times I got free
coupons because I wrote to the company to praise or complain.
And I would never just write to get coupons, only if I had something
legitimate to comment about.

> For example, the extreme coupon people will find a coupon for buy one
> get one free peanut butter and another coupon for $1 off the peanut
> butter. According to the rules, only one coupon can be applied per
> item, so the buy one free coupn applies to both jars of peanut butter.
> Where I work, we cannot accept the $1 off coupon unless there is a
> third jar of peanut butter. But these extreme coupon people are able
> to use both coupons. Most stores only do one store coupon and one
> manufacturer coupon, but never two manufactuer coupons on the same
> item.

Do you work at my local store? (looking suspiciously) Kidding! I got
into trouble with this one cashier because I did precisely what you are
talking about. I didn't notice that the coupon in the circular was not a
store coupon, but a manufacturer's coupon and I matched it with a
manufacturer's coupon. Yes, it was for peanut butter. It was a mistake!
Sorry!

This cashier is something of a kook, she goes off sometimes for no
reason. She starts (loud) telling me YOU CAN'T USE THIS COUPON
blah blah blah. I said Oh, I didn't notice, okay. Would she drop it?
No, she just kept ranting. Like everyone around is thinking I'm
arguing about the stupid coupon. Fine! You can go on now, forget
the coupon! Geez!

> Another rule is no cash back on a product. If the coupon is for a free
> item up to $2.49, and the item is on sale for $1.99, the extreme
> coupon person is at a store that credits the whole $2.49 while most
> stores do not.

Man, I'd never get away with that.

> These extreme coupon people would never have success at the stores in
> my area. None of them do double or triple coupons, nor do they apply
> multiple coupons to the same item. The checkstands are now programmed
> to make sure exact items are purchased, limits are not exceeded, etc.

As it should be. It's confusing to me how these people are paying so
little, I don't think I could pull that off if I tried.

nancy

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:00:45 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Apr 11, 4:45*am, The Cook > wrote:
>
>>
>> As I got older I realized that how I acted not only reflected on me,
>> but on her and maybe the extended family. *I remember that not long
>> after I was married we were invited to Cape Cod to visit friends of my
>> husband's parents. *One night dinner was among other things lamb and
>> zucchini. *At that time I did not care for either one, but I ate them
>> and I sincerely hope that my hostess did not notice that I was not
>> thrilled with the dinner. *I would not have embarrassed her, me, my
>> husband and my mother-in-law for the world.
>
>
>Exactly., There are a LOT of foods that I do not like, mostly due to
>texture. But I will eat them if I need to in order to be polite. If
>the item is spicy, I will politely explain that I cannot eat spicy
>food. But just about anything else, I can get down if I really have
>to. Even if it normally makes me gag. I will take bites of something
>else or sips of water or pop to help get it down.
>
>I am one of the pickiest people I know, BUT I was taught to be polite.
>I don't expect people to cater to m. I know many "normal" people are
>rude about not eating something, and i am surprised that they would
>behave that way in public.

It's not rude to decline foods you dan't like or can't eat. It's the
host who is rude to serve guests foods than many don't normally eat...
experiment on their own household members, not on guests. I would
never serve spicy hot foods to guests nor would I serve meats such as
lamb or liver... I happen to really love headcheese sandwiches, or
sardines but I wouldn't ever serve those foods to guests whose food
preferences I don't know. It's extremely rude to foist ones food
preferences on others. Anytime I'm invited to dinner I ask what will
be served, if it's something I can't tolerate and there are no other
choices I politely decline by saying no thank, I don't eat lamb but
you enjoy. And whenever I invite guests I inform them of my menu and
still I never experiment on guest's palates... I serve ordinary boring
foods that most everyone enjoys but well cooked... I don't push rare
beef on guests whose prefernces I don't know either, everyone enjoys
medium... the mark of hospitality is to cater to your guest's tastes,
not to dictate your own tastes.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:06:26 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Apr 11, 5:02*am, Boogiemeister > wrote:
>
>> Same here. *I recall one occasion when I was about 8, and visiting a
>> friend of my mother's. *Meatloaf was on the menu, and it was one thing I
>> truly disliked. *But I ate it without so much as a peep, and when
>> seconds were offered, I politely declined on the basis of being full. *I
>> knew better than to embarrass my mother. *I think most of us did, as
>> there would be consequences. *Consequences being the key word.

A hospitable host would never spring meat loaf on guests whose tastes
they don't know, and especially not on young children.

>Last summer, my sister and I went to Colorado, Utah, and Arizona for a
>trip. We spent a few days with our cousin and his family. One night,
>they served homemade pot pie. I dislike most veggies. Especially peas
>and green beans, which were both in the pot pie. I ate a good size
>slice and finished it. Had it not had the beans in it, I would have
>accepted seconds as it was really good. My sister told me later in
>private that she worried how I would do with the peas and beans, but
>was amazed at how I didn't even let on for a second that there was a
>problem with that meal. I actually surprised myself by liking the
>peas in that dish as they were cooked differently. Still didn't like
>the beans. I just made sure that every bite with a green bean had lots
>of sauce and crust in it.
>
>Part of being an adult is doing things that you don't especially like,
>without complaint. Or drama.

That's not at all true, no guest should feel compelled to eat anything
they don't like... it would have been perfectly acceptible for you to
push the beans to the side of your dish.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:13:10 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Apr 11, 7:22*am, Melba's Jammin' >
>wrote:
>
>>
>> But you're a responsible adult, Miche. *I know a couple people who'd be
>> *more than happy* to go on the dole before deigning to a fast food job. *
>> And when I think of *those* folks, I also think of a young family I know
>> and love who've been struck by the economy ‹ they have two littles and
>> mom and dad have 10 (TEN!!) *part-time jobs between them to keep the
>> family afloat. *Those are the folks who have my respect.
>
>
>Back in the 80s, my family moved to Iowa, just as the farm crisis hit.
>My dad was a Boeing mechanic, and they didn't need an aircraft
>mechanic in Iowa.

WTF would an aircraft mechanic move to Iowa when there were no jobs
for aircraft mechanics there... that makes as much sense as an Iowa
pig farmer moving to NYC. Ya know, I often have trouble believing
your posts, none are logical. I get the sense that you're a bar
hound, that's where folks tend to tell a lot of "I can top that" BS
stories... because each and every of your posts are attempts to top
someone elses story.

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> No one has explained it to my satisfaction, how these people get
> so much stuff for free or pennies. I run across a deal like that once
> in a blue moon. Rarely.

Probably by being such a pain in the ass at the checkout that the
checkout operator and management just cave to their demands to get them
the hell out of there.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On 15/04/2011 3:14 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> the mark of hospitality is to cater to your guest's tastes,
>> not to dictate your own tastes.
>
> I concur!

Try entertaining my nephew. The list of things he doesn't like is longer
than the very short list of things he does like, and he is very verbal
about his disappointment in what is being offered. I had posted
previously about my experience at Christmas a few years ago. We had
Christmas pudding, light fruit cake, dark fruit cake, mince meat tarts,
at least a half dozen types of cookies and a fruit platter. He pouted
"There's nothing I like."

My solution for dealing with such picky eaters is to not invite them.

On Apr 15, 5:47*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> " wrote:
>
> >I like to have enough on hand to last a month or a few months,
> >depending on what it is. Ideally, I keep enough of most things, that
> >should I lose my job or get sick for an extended time, my only
> >purchases would be perishable items and a few odds and ends. But in
> >general, I would have enough food to go awhile without stress. I
> >started this several years ago when a strike was looking like a strong
> >possibility. I bought a 12 cubic foot freezer and stocked it with
> >meats that were on sale.
>
> You'd have been way ahead had you put your emergency meat money in a
> savings account where it would collect a little interest while you
> shopped judiciously over time...

When it is hard to save money and easy to find excuses to spend it
on,. it actually works better to go ahead and buy the meat on sale. I
know you prefer not to use anything frozen, but that isn't a problem
for me. Keep in mind that I work for a grocery store, so if I go on
strike, I have to find somewhere else to shop. I would rather not
cross a picket line, and I don't buy meat from walmart,. Not many
choices around here in that situation.



you spent more on that freezer than
> you could have possibly saved on the meat you filled it with plus you
> have that extra not so insignificant electric bill, certainly more
> each month than the cost of your meat for a week...

I paid $115 for the freezer, and it is supposed to be pretty cheap to
run. Not a big deal.


and guaranteed
> there'd be items you stuffed in that freezer that get forgotten and
> eventually end up in the trash. *There is no way a small family saves
> money with a large freezer. *The typical refrigerator freezer has
> enough freezer space for a family of four, certainly for a single. *A
> freezer is only a convenience so one needn't shop every day, not a
> means to save money...

I buy meats that are on sale so that I never have to pay full price. I
also use it to make larger meals and freeze smaller portions. It is
cheaper (and easier) to make larger batches. If I had to make every
meal from scratch ever day, I would just buy premade crap, and that
means more expensive and more chemicals. This works better for me. I
know I won't convince you, but I really do find that it works well for
ME.

On Apr 15, 6:28*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>
> Cat food/litter is a different issue, it needs no refrigeration, it's
> not a perishable... when on sale I buy as much as I have space. *Which
> litter do you buy, and are you sure you're really saving from your
> friend, I suspect not much savings if you buy in such small amounts...


I buy swheatscoop. I get the 40 lb bag for the same price as the store
version 25 lb bag. I scoop daily and it lasts really well. I also
feed premium foods, so they don't poop as much as they used to when I
served cheap food.


> to make lugging 40 pound buckets worth the trouble. *Why would you buy
> at a pet store, they have the highest prices... no one beats or even
> comes close to Walmart's prices for pet supplies.

Walmart doesn't sell Swheatscoop. The pet stores have the larger bags.
Target and Safeway have the 12 lb box. I do keep a box on hand and
refill it for when I travel. Or in an emergency, I can get it there.
The clay and silicon type litters (especially scented versions) really
bother my allergies. Chase won't use pellet style litters. He took
one look and used my bed. I got the message. I tried it once with
Quinn when I was traveling and ran low. She took a look and decided to
hold it. I found a Safeway the next morning, and she jumped in as soon
as I poured it. I tried the corn litter which works well, but has a
smell that I don't like. So, I have always gone back to swheatscoop.
We all like it, so I am happy with it. I've learned to mess with
something that works, especially when it is cats and kitty litter.

>
> If you go to the pet supply company web sites and register they will
> regularly snail mail you valuable coupons and lots of free samples,
> plus they hardly ever send spam, maybe once a year to hawk their cat
> calendar, which is a very good price for a very nice calendar... plus
> they sell nice products at their web sites, and many are free so save
> labels/UPC codes and visit their sites regularly as they send no spam.

Which companies do you recommend?

Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz blathered:

> It's not rude to decline foods you dan't like or can't eat. It's the
> host who is rude to serve guests foods than many don't normally eat...
> experiment on their own household members, not on guests. I would
> never serve spicy hot foods to guests nor would I serve meats such as
> lamb or liver... I happen to really love headcheese sandwiches, or
> sardines but I wouldn't ever serve those foods to guests whose food
> preferences I don't know. It's extremely rude to foist ones food
> preferences on others. Anytime I'm invited to dinner I ask what will
> be served, if it's something I can't tolerate and there are no other
> choices I politely decline by saying no thank, I don't eat lamb but
> you enjoy. And whenever I invite guests I inform them of my menu and
> still I never experiment on guest's palates... I serve ordinary boring
> foods that most everyone enjoys but well cooked... I don't push rare
> beef on guests whose prefernces I don't know either, everyone enjoys
> medium... the mark of hospitality is to cater to your guest's tastes,
> not to dictate your own tastes.

When I have guests for dinner, I generally let them know the menu ahead of
time, and they can decline the invitation if the food doesn't appeal to
them. But I generally have a wide enough variety of food that everybody is
happy, and only a few of my guests are picky eaters.

Bob

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:22:28 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> When I have guests for dinner, I generally let them know the menu ahead of
> time, and they can decline the invitation if the food doesn't appeal to
> them. But I generally have a wide enough variety of food that everybody is
> happy, and only a few of my guests are picky eaters.

The only really picky eater I have is a child under 10 - even he has
learned how to be polite, eat what's on his plate and not complain.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 5:47*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> " wrote:

>you spent more on that freezer than
>> you could have possibly saved on the meat you filled it with plus you
>> have that extra not so insignificant electric bill, certainly more
>> each month than the cost of your meat for a week...
>
>I paid $115 for the freezer, and it is supposed to be pretty cheap to
>run. Not a big deal.

To argue with shemp about something he's wrong about is a waste of
time. With gas over 4 bucks a gallon if I see a good sale I put some
in my freezer. Every time I pull dinner out of the freezer it saves
me at least a gallon of gas plus my time and there's no temptation to
make impulse purchases. As usual he's a clueless idiot. He lives in
the middle of nowhere and he expects folks to believe he doesn't use
his freezer? Gimmie a break.

Lou

On 4/13/2011 8:34 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/12/2011 9:41 PM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There. That's my whine for the day!<g>
>>>>
>>>> Awww! Well, Happy Birthday!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> At 49, I think _I'll_ do my best to forget about it next year.<g>
>>
>> If it's any consolation, I was a '62 baby, too, so I'm right there with you.
>
> Happy Birthday for the year. ;-)
> What's your sign? I tend to fit the description of Aries to a T. I'm
> not so sure that is a good thing sometimes.<g>

Scorpio and I fit it.

On Apr 15, 6:46*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>
> You know, it would be interesting to hear what you thought
> if you did watch the show, since you work in the business.

A few years ago, I was on a email list for budget homemaking, and
there were a few people who promoted the deal, and one of them was
selling their book. They took extreme offense to my response. I'm not
against it, but I have never seen a store that lets you do the things
required to make that work. With most stores, all you do is combine a
manufacture coupon with a sale coupon. And for me, that means looking
and using ones for product I buy anyway. But it isn't worth my time to
go overboard.

>
> No one has explained it to my satisfaction, how these people get
> so much stuff for free or pennies. *I run across a deal like that once
> in a blue moon. *Rarely.

I honestly think the stores are breaking rules to allow it. I realize
the store probably takes the loss on the double and triple coupons,
but allowing more than one coupon per item (usually with the bogo
coupons), means that the store could fail an audit.

>
> Do you work at my local store? *(looking suspiciously) *Kidding! *I got
> into trouble with this one cashier because I did precisely what you are
> talking about. *I didn't notice that the coupon in the circular was not a
> store coupon, but a manufacturer's coupon and I matched it with a
> manufacturer's coupon. *Yes, it was for peanut butter. *It was a mistake!
> Sorry!

LOL. Most things like that are honest mistakes or people not knowing
how they work. Or seeing the coupon program and thinking that it is
normal. It doesn't come up much here, but it isn't a big deal. We just
explain what works and what doesn't and let the customer use their
best coupon or skip the item. A lot of times, the coupons are kinda
misleading. you have to buy multiples or certain flavors. The register
will say limit exceeded, item doesn't match, etc, so it is usually
easy to figure out.


>
> This cashier is something of a kook, she goes off sometimes for no
> reason. *She starts (loud) telling me YOU CAN'T USE THIS COUPON
> blah blah blah. *I said Oh, I didn't notice, okay. *Would she drop it?
> No, she just kept ranting. *Like everyone around is thinking I'm
> arguing about the stupid coupon. *Fine! *You can go on now, forget
> the coupon! *Geez! * *
>


Yikes. It's just a coupon, no biggie. I can't imagine getting worked
up over something so minor. Certainly not professional. Last
December, I was given a gift card for petco, and it didn't scan at the
register. The lady insisted my card was invalid, and acted like I had
taken an unpaid card and was trying to steal. I went home, checked
online, and it confirmed that the card was activated and worth $20. I
went back today, and it didn't scan. The very nice clerk called a
manager, who explained that sometimes they need to call it in and
transfer the balance to a card that works. It took a few minutes, but
she handled it well. I good cashier can make a huge difference.


>
> As it should be. *It's confusing to me how these people are paying so
> little, I don't think I could pull that off if I tried.
>

I wonder how many people buy into the program and have success. I
would think the stores would quit allowing it, so I can't imagine that
many stores will support this program.

I have heard of some smaller stores (individually owned) collecting
their own coupons and redeeming them for the store without actually
having the item purchased or giving the savings to a customer. I would
expect that companies will audit more if they have stores submitting a
ton more coupons than normal.