Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:33:57 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Well, let's see. Nothing I see so far is even competitive. 8
>>
>> I still have an original IBM PC luggable (with a 20MB HardCard in it),
>> a 1982 IBM XT, a Compaq luggable, a TRS-80 Model 100 with cassette
>> storage, and my original Imsai Series 2 8080. Plus a couple of Intel
>> SDK-80 and 85s, and a couple of Intel Multibus chassis with an
>> assortment of 8080 processor and supporting boards -- including two
>> 16KB core memory boards. Oh, and a Heath-Zenith Z89 Z-80 based micro
>> with two hard-sectored floppy drives.
>>
>> All bought or traded when new.
>
> But what are you using to post to RFC and your every day computer, I
> think is the question here.
>
> I have a 8" floppy drive where you change sectors and tracks manually
> using knobs on the front of the case. Is that "hard sectored"?
>
> -sw

Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
model 1.

My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
truly became obsolete.

Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:

> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
> model 1.
>
> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
> truly became obsolete.
>
> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.


My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure
am glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I
did for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.

On 4/17/2011 5:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>
>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>> model 1.
>>
>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating
>> system
>> truly became obsolete.
>>
>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>
>
> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure
> am glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I
> did for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.
>

My first computer was something they called a clone. 386, 2 mb RAM, 40
MB HD. I only wanted DOS OS but I found something called Windows on it
and decided to check it out. It cost well over $1200. I used that
computer for more than 10 years. I learned a lot about hardware working
on that thing. Over the years I replaced the RAM, the hard drive, added
another one as a slave, installed a CD ROM and zip drive, the
motherboard, swapped out the CPU (Evergreen) and added a fan, and then
the power supply when the original one started smoking and shut down.
During that computer's life, it went from the original DOS with Windows
3.1, WFW, Windows NT 3.5 because I acquired a set of diskettes, and
Windows 2000 was the final OS.

I only use laptops now, and I've never done more to them than add memory.

On 4/17/2011 7:26 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> I only use laptops now, and I've never done more to them than add memory.
>
> Liar. You've changed batteries.

No.

On 4/17/2011 5:22 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/17/2011 5:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>
>>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette
>>> storage.
>>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>>> model 1.
>>>
>>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating
>>> system
>>> truly became obsolete.
>>>
>>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>>
>>
>> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
>> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
>> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure
>> am glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I
>> did for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.
>>
>
> My first computer was something they called a clone. 386, 2 mb RAM, 40
> MB HD. I only wanted DOS OS but I found something called Windows on it
> and decided to check it out. It cost well over $1200. I used that
> computer for more than 10 years. I learned a lot about hardware working
> on that thing. Over the years I replaced the RAM, the hard drive, added
> another one as a slave, installed a CD ROM and zip drive, the
> motherboard, swapped out the CPU (Evergreen) and added a fan, and then
> the power supply when the original one started smoking and shut down.
> During that computer's life, it went from the original DOS with Windows
> 3.1, WFW, Windows NT 3.5 because I acquired a set of diskettes, and
> Windows 2000 was the final OS.
>
> I only use laptops now, and I've never done more to them than add memory.
>
My first computer was an Osborne One, bought in 1982, cost over $1700.00
at the time. Bought and Epson MX80FT dot matrix printer with Graftrax at
the same time, another $750.00. The O1 had CPM installed, looked like a
portable sewing machine, had a five-inch screen between two 5 1/4 inch
disc drives and NO hard drive at all. In 1986 I bought a Packard Bell XT
clone that worked fine and had a 10 MB hard drive. Wow! What a
difference. Can't even remember the version of Windows on the XT,
probably 3.1 or less.

This four-year old desktop I'm typing on has more processing speed and
storage than both those old dogs put together but they were the top of
the line as far as I was concerned at the time I got each one.

The O1 is still running, gave it to a friend and his granddaughter plays
with it a lot. The XT fried itself one dark night. We're in our early
seventies and there are two laptops and a desktop running in this old
house most days. I like to multi-task and it makes it easier to do the
technical writing that is my retirement job sitting in the den with the
Dell laptop kicking along.

I'm not a geek, just a very satisfied user.

Cheryl wrote:
>
> I only use laptops now, and I've never done more to them than add memory.

Liar. You've changed batteries.

On 4/17/2011 7:05 PM, George Shirley wrote:
> We're in our early seventies and there are two laptops and a desktop
> running in this old house most days. I like to multi-task and it makes
> it easier to do the technical writing that is my retirement job sitting
> in the den with the Dell laptop kicking along.
>
> I'm not a geek, just a very satisfied user.

I used to be a Dell fan but no longer. I have bought Dell laptops for
the last 10 years but the last one I purchased with the extended
warranty that was supposed to cover spills. They even honored the
warranty one time when my touchpad wasn't working and I specifically
told them something might have gotten in there. My hands aren't steady
anymore so the spill warranty is something I need. I ended up spilling
into the laptop and Dell support said my warranty didn't cover that.
Well, they did before! So since the laptop no longer worked, I had to
get a new one. Went with Sony Vaio. Based on my experience, I'll never
buy another Dell. I'm not happy with the Vaio touchpad,so I just hooked
up a wireless mouse. Dell touchpads weren't all that swift, either.

On 2011-04-17, Cheryl > wrote:

> buy another Dell. I'm not happy with the Vaio touchpad,so I just hooked
> up a wireless mouse. Dell touchpads weren't all that swift, either.

I hate touchpads, too. Try buying a laptop w/o one! I have an eee
netbook and its touchpad is miles better than they used to be. With
the right software, they will even scroll horz and vert, which makes
'em somewhat tolerable.

nb

Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), Nad R wrote:
>
>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>> model 1.
>
> OK, since we are comparing penis sizes anyway, I had:
>
> TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1
> TRS-80 Model 1 Level II (Interface)
> TRS-80 Model 2
> TRS-80 Business Computer
> TRS-80 Model 3
> Kaypro 10 (2 of them)
> Osborne One - Two floppy, thermal printer
> Commodore 64
> IBM PC 8080
> And then dozens of PC-Based machines.
>
> I was programming proficiently in Z-80 assembly, COBOL, and BASIC
> by the time I was 14 years old. 6502/6510 assembly language and dBase
> II by the time I was 16. Working full time as a dBase II programmer
> when I was 18. The rest is natural progression from there.
>
> -sw

I see you you had fun as well. I also see we went our separate ways, you
with Microsoft and me with Apple.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>
>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>> model 1.
>>
>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
>> truly became obsolete.
>>
>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>
>
> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure am
> glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I did
> for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.

I enjoyed the TRS-80, I had fun Programing that simple little machine. I
had dozens of games that others wrote and some I wrote. I learned allot
about computer Programing in those early years.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:54:25 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

>Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>
>>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>>> model 1.
>>>
>>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
>>> truly became obsolete.
>>>
>>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>>
>>
>> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
>> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
>> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure am
>> glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I did
>> for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.
>
>I enjoyed the TRS-80, I had fun Programing that simple little machine. I
>had dozens of games that others wrote and some I wrote. I learned allot
>about computer Programing in those early years.

Does a slide rule count?

Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:54:25 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>>>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>>>> model 1.
>>>>
>>>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>>>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
>>>> truly became obsolete.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>>>
>>>
>>> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
>>> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
>>> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure am
>>> glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I did
>>> for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.
>>
>> I enjoyed the TRS-80, I had fun Programing that simple little machine. I
>> had dozens of games that others wrote and some I wrote. I learned allot
>> about computer Programing in those early years.
>
> Does a slide rule count?

Could be a calculator not a computer. I would say no. I did own a slide
rule for about two years. My first calculator cost $90 for a simple four
function calculator with a single memory store and recall button. Oh the
good old days of my teenage years. Toys I bought with my paper route money.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
> model 1.

Are you posting to rfc on one of them?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>> model 1.
>
> Are you posting to rfc on one of them?

YES, This message is from my iPad.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Andy > wrote:

> I can't single out a favorite. TuneIn Radio is on the most. Listen in on
> radio and talk shows, comedy, etc., from around the world. With a clean
> and intuitive GUI.

I use Spark Radio, It was before Tunein Radio. Spark works fine for now, I
know more people use TuneIn. I may someday load TuneIn and see which is
better. However the Radio App is the most used here also. Not favorite that
amazes me.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:08:31 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

>Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:54:25 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>>>>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>>>>> model 1.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>>>>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
>>>>> truly became obsolete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
>>>> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
>>>> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure am
>>>> glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I did
>>>> for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.
>>>
>>> I enjoyed the TRS-80, I had fun Programing that simple little machine. I
>>> had dozens of games that others wrote and some I wrote. I learned allot
>>> about computer Programing in those early years.
>>
>> Does a slide rule count?
>
>Could be a calculator not a computer. I would say no. I did own a slide
>rule for about two years.

A calculator IS a computer. The very first electronic computer(s) did
only mathematical calculations, as did all previous mechanical
calculators including cash registers... today's most modern, most
powerful scientific computers only calculate numbers. The early
mechanical adding machines used by bookkeeppers/accountants were
called calculators. A slide rule is definitely a computer, as is an
abacus... I do have a small cheapo abacus somewhere, forgot about
that. Throughout history there have been all manner of counting
devices, variously sized pebbles, beads on strings, even beans... you
have herd the term "bean counter". An ordinary mechanical weighing
scale is a computer. There was no internet until Al Gore came along.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:38:55 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

> sf > wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
> >> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
> >> model 1.
> >
> > Are you posting to rfc on one of them?
>
> YES, This message is from my iPad.

Which one is the oldest that you still use on a regular basis,
particularly for posting?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:20:32 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> Can you jailbreak an iPad?

What does jailbreak mean? Are you talking about unlocking it or
installing nonApple apps?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:38:55 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>>>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>>>> model 1.
>>>
>>> Are you posting to rfc on one of them?
>>
>> YES, This message is from my iPad.
>
> Which one is the oldest that you still use on a regular basis,
> particularly for posting?

Was the Power Book G4, the Power Mac 7100/66 also can make postings also.
I use iPad for 80 percent of my uses now. I will be in market for a new
base Mac computer next year. Saving my pennies for it.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 19/04/2011 1:05 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 03:08:31 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:54:25 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave > wrote:
>>>>> On 17/04/2011 5:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting in the Late seventies, TRS-80 Model 1, 4k ram, cassette storage.
>>>>>> Later Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Book G4 and an iPad
>>>>>> model 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My favorite was the Power Mac 7100/66 was loaded and cost $5,000 for
>>>>>> hardware alone. It served me well for ten years before the operating system
>>>>>> truly became obsolete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now, I love this little portable iPad that is now my favorite.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My first computer was a Coco II from Radio Shack. It didn't take long to
>>>>> realize how useless Radio Shack is. I ended up getting an XT. I can't
>>>>> believe the prices I paid for that machine and accessories, but I sure am
>>>>> glad that prices have plummeted. I paid less for this laptop than I did
>>>>> for a 20 meg hard drive for that computer.
>>>>
>>>> I enjoyed the TRS-80, I had fun Programing that simple little machine. I
>>>> had dozens of games that others wrote and some I wrote. I learned allot
>>>> about computer Programing in those early years.
>>>
>>> Does a slide rule count?
>>
>> Could be a calculator not a computer. I would say no. I did own a slide
>> rule for about two years.
>
> A calculator IS a computer. The very first electronic computer(s) did
> only mathematical calculations, as did all previous mechanical
> calculators including cash registers... today's most modern, most
> powerful scientific computers only calculate numbers. The early
> mechanical adding machines used by bookkeeppers/accountants were
> called calculators. A slide rule is definitely a computer, as is an
> abacus... I do have a small cheapo abacus somewhere, forgot about
> that. Throughout history there have been all manner of counting
> devices, variously sized pebbles, beads on strings, even beans... you
> have herd the term "bean counter". An ordinary mechanical weighing
> scale is a computer. There was no internet until Al Gore came along.

A calculator can be considered a computer only if it is programmable.
It's the programmable aspect that takes the computer to a higher level
than the simpler calculators

Krypsis

On 2011-04-19, Krypsis > wrote:

> A calculator can be considered a computer only if it is programmable.
> It's the programmable aspect that takes the computer to a higher level
> than the simpler calculators

Plenty of those. My old HP48GX calculator probably has the computing
power of an early 286. They even had IR connectivity. I could dwnld
a program from one 48 to another 48 by just putting them next to each
other and pressing a button.

nb

"Sqwertz" wrote:
>
>> OK, since we are comparing penis sizes anyway, I had:
>>
>> TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1
>> TRS-80 Model 1 Level II (Interface)
>> TRS-80 Model 2
>> TRS-80 Business Computer
>> TRS-80 Model 3
>> Kaypro 10 (2 of them)
>> Osborne One - Two floppy, thermal printer
>> Commodore 64
>> IBM PC 8080
>> And then dozens of PC-Based machines.
>
> I forgot - I had an original HP 150 Touchscreen as well. It ran
> MS-DOS on an 8088 but was not PC-compatible. It had these huge
> honking SCSI cables that were daisychainable, but I don't think it had
> any peripherals except an internal thermal printer.

I didn't (and don't) have ... oh, never mind ... but I did have a Kaypro 2
in the newsroom when we made the change from cold type (I also know how to
play a Mergenthaler linotype).

Felice

"Sqwertz" wrote:
>
>> OK, since we are comparing penis sizes anyway, I had:
>>
>> TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1
>> TRS-80 Model 1 Level II (Interface)
>> TRS-80 Model 2
>> TRS-80 Business Computer
>> TRS-80 Model 3
>> Kaypro 10 (2 of them)
>> Osborne One - Two floppy, thermal printer
>> Commodore 64
>> IBM PC 8080
>> And then dozens of PC-Based machines.
>
> I forgot - I had an original HP 150 Touchscreen as well. It ran
> MS-DOS on an 8088 but was not PC-compatible. It had these huge
> honking SCSI cables that were daisychainable, but I don't think it had
> any peripherals except an internal thermal printer.

I didn't (and don't) have ... oh, never mind ... but I did have a Kaypro 2
in the newsroom when we made the change from cold type (I also know how to
play a Mergenthaler linotype).

Felice

http://www.xhost.org/images/trs8016k.jpg

Just found this down in the basement, along with the box of punch
cards and IBM collator jumpers... 8

Somewhere around here I have pictures of the vacuum tube military
surplus computer -- in two six-foot relay racks -- we had at the
Metuchen, NJ YMCA ham radio club (K2YNT) circa 1959.

-- Larry