Jes thought some of rfc regulars who use an iphone should be awa

"Zdziarski added that the iPhone in general "leaks like a sieve," and
warned that consumers should consider the possible implications to
their personal privacy with today's discovery."

http://tinyurl.com/3fnygwo

OBfood: Adding lemon slices to my mug of icewater, again. Forgot how
good it tastes.

nb --I care!

On 20 Apr 2011 22:00:30 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Jes thought some of rfc regulars who use an iphone should be awa
>
> "Zdziarski added that the iPhone in general "leaks like a sieve," and
> warned that consumers should consider the possible implications to
> their personal privacy with today's discovery."
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3fnygwo
>

There's even more snooping going on.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2011-04-20, sf > wrote:

> There's even more snooping going on.
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp

I'm not sure which is more scary. The fact that that business and
govt continually slice away at our freedoms, rights, and protections
or that the ppl of the US now seemed resigned to the loss of these
lawful protections as an perfectly acceptable trade-off for
convenience of instant access to the next celebrity ditz revelation.
It's sheer insanity.

It's really scary reading some rfc ppl, here, saying, in essence,
"It's going to happen. Just accept it". Are those the same ppl who
ponder why six million Jews went to the ovens instead of fighting?
Apparently not.

On one hand, parents lament how evil the World has become and how no
one is safe anymore and how their kids can't play outdoors or walk to
school alone anymore, then they slap a device in the kids hand that
lets any dirtbag with a more than passing amount of computer savvy track
the kid's every move. WTF!!??

Is your kid being tracked? Al Franken wants to know:

http://tinyurl.com/3kwamsn

I used to think my daughter was a bit paranoid in not letting her
young daughters have unlimited access to the internet and their own
cell phones. Now I'm not so sure she's been unwise.

I'm even researching jes how much available info is being collected on
my cheapo crappy Tracphone, which I rarely even use. Geez, I jes
realized what an insidious name that is!

nb

On 21 Apr 2011 15:05:01 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-04-20, sf > wrote:
>
> > There's even more snooping going on.
> > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp
>
> I'm not sure which is more scary. The fact that that business and
> govt continually slice away at our freedoms, rights, and protections
> or that the ppl of the US now seemed resigned to the loss of these
> lawful protections as an perfectly acceptable trade-off for
> convenience of instant access to the next celebrity ditz revelation.
> It's sheer insanity.

I think that's why the ACLU got involved.
>
> It's really scary reading some rfc ppl, here, saying, in essence,
> "It's going to happen. Just accept it". Are those the same ppl who
> ponder why six million Jews went to the ovens instead of fighting?
> Apparently not.
>
> On one hand, parents lament how evil the World has become and how no
> one is safe anymore and how their kids can't play outdoors or walk to
> school alone anymore, then they slap a device in the kids hand that
> lets any dirtbag with a more than passing amount of computer savvy track
> the kid's every move. WTF!!??
>
> Is your kid being tracked? Al Franken wants to know:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3kwamsn
>
Good for him!

> I used to think my daughter was a bit paranoid in not letting her
> young daughters have unlimited access to the internet and their own
> cell phones. Now I'm not so sure she's been unwise.
>
> I'm even researching jes how much available info is being collected on
> my cheapo crappy Tracphone, which I rarely even use. Geez, I jes
> realized what an insidious name that is!
>
> nb


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2011-04-20, Andy > wrote:

> How can I examine the data without running the application?
>
> It will be stored in a folder inside /Users/<your user
> name>/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backups/
>
>
> nb,
>
> Be very careful spreading false information like that!

You know it to be "false" how?

> On my PC, no such path exists!!!

Did you dock yer iphone to your computer? I have no idea about the
details, having no iphone. I was jes trying to inform the folks, here
on rfc. Apparently, I'm wasting my time. This flock appears to be
content with their lot.

nb

On 21 Apr 2011 15:38:42 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> This flock appears to be content with their lot.

Or they don't have iPhones either.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:

> Or they don't have iPhones either.

....or they're jes lying about it.

nb

On 21 Apr 2011 16:22:52 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:
>
> > Or they don't have iPhones either.
>
> ...or they're jes lying about it.
>
Why?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:

> Why?

Why not?

On 2011-04-21, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> No, Apple is broadcasting mind-control waves
> into our brains when the phone is held next
> to the ear.

The "mind-control waves" were broadcast before you ever purchased the
iphone. The contemporary term is "advertising".

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:
>
> > Or they don't have iPhones either.
>
> ...or they're jes lying about it.

No, Apple is broadcasting mind-control waves
into our brains when the phone is held next
to the ear.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:


> It's really scary reading some rfc ppl, here, saying, in essence,
> "It's going to happen. Just accept it". Are those the same ppl who
> ponder why six million Jews went to the ovens instead of fighting?
> Apparently not.

The most important thing is to have the information. Then you can
concentrate on controlling and restricting it. The Jews in Europe were
just sent to relocation camps for the duration of the war. This
parallels what happened in the US, where the Japanese-Americans were
sent to relocation camps. Many of my relatives lived in Germany during
WWII. They fully expected the Jews to come back after the war. They
didn't know that the story they were told was a lie, and that the Jews
weren't coming back, because they were dead.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 21 Apr 2011 16:32:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:
>
> > Why?
>
> Why not?

You don't have one so why are you assuming everyone else does?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:

> You don't have one so why are you assuming everyone else does?

Why do you care?

On 21 Apr 2011 19:07:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:
>
> > You don't have one so why are you assuming everyone else does?
>
> Why do you care?

Because you're going off the deep end.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 2011-04-21, sf > wrote:

> Because you're going off the deep end.

Better than Depends

On 22/04/2011 5:07 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-04-21, > wrote:
>
>> You don't have one so why are you assuming everyone else does?
>
> Why do you care?

Maybe notbob can't afford one and hates to think everyone else has one.
Hence his attempt to discredit the iPhone.

I'm half inclined to get one but can't really see myself doing any more
with it than I do with my current Nokia. I use my Nokia as a phone and
the calendar app. That's just about it. I don't even store recipes on
it! Hard to justify an iPhone when that's all I do.

Krypsis

On 2011-04-23, Krypsis > wrote:

> Maybe notbob can't afford one and hates to think everyone else has one.
> Hence his attempt to discredit the iPhone.

I had you pegged as one who was at least semi computer literate and
likely to see my post for what it was, a heads-up on a possible
security issue.

"Hates to think"!? Stood in front of a mirror, lately?

nb

On 2011-04-23, atec77 > wrote:

> I have avoided then apple phones with good reason, I simply dislike the
> apple ethos and now it seems that feeling was correct , my current htc
> runs a free o/s which appears to not have secrets

Well, duh!

But then, we've always known you've been blessed with an actual
functioning brain.

nb

atec77 wrote:
>
> I have avoided then apple phones with good reason, I simply dislike the
> apple ethos and now it seems that feeling was correct , my current htc
> runs a free o/s which appears to not have secrets

I don't know about that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1379597

On 4/22/2011 4:34 PM, atec77 wrote:
> On 23/04/2011 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2011-04-23, > wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe notbob can't afford one and hates to think everyone else has one.
>>> Hence his attempt to discredit the iPhone.
>>
>> I had you pegged as one who was at least semi computer literate and
>> likely to see my post for what it was, a heads-up on a possible
>> security issue.
>>
>> "Hates to think"!? Stood in front of a mirror, lately?
>>
>> nb
> I have avoided then apple phones with good reason, I simply dislike the
> apple ethos and now it seems that feeling was correct , my current htc
> runs a free o/s which appears to not have secrets
>

I don't believe that this is the case, my android phone will transmit
data at random moments and sometimes it appears that someone's taking
control of my phone - I'll find the settings changes.

I have my phone setup to not share my information location, not enable
GPS, not enable background data, and not auto-sync with any application.
I don't allow the bluetooth and the wi-fi to connect automatically.
Heck, I even turn the 3G networks off.

I do this to increase battery life but I also don't like the phone
sending information without my knowledge yet it's obvious to me that
it's doing just that.

My guess is that the dirty little secret about the Android OS is that
it's a huge security risk with so many holes in it that I might have to
find some other OS. The nasty habit of giving so much control to the
apps has to be changed. A lot of the apps that come with the phone can't
be deleted nor can it's settings be changed. It's a total wild wild west
out there in Android land. The shocking thing is that it appears that
hardly anybody seems to be aware of these problems. My guess is that
someday the shit will hit the fan. It's an awful shame that the price
for thumbing our noses at Microsoft and Apple comes at such a high
price.

On 23/04/2011 5:43 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/22/2011 4:34 PM, atec77 wrote:
>> On 23/04/2011 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2011-04-23, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe notbob can't afford one and hates to think everyone else has one.
>>>> Hence his attempt to discredit the iPhone.
>>>
>>> I had you pegged as one who was at least semi computer literate and
>>> likely to see my post for what it was, a heads-up on a possible
>>> security issue.
>>>
>>> "Hates to think"!? Stood in front of a mirror, lately?
>>>
>>> nb
>> I have avoided then apple phones with good reason, I simply dislike the
>> apple ethos and now it seems that feeling was correct , my current htc
>> runs a free o/s which appears to not have secrets
>>
>
> I don't believe that this is the case,
huh ?
I formated the phone and compiled what I needed sans aps to make it
run , there are linix based o/s out there for FREE
my android phone will transmit
> data at random moments and sometimes it appears that someone's taking
> control of my phone - I'll find the settings changes.
exactly why I formated mine

>
>
why not format yours ?

On 4/23/2011 4:42 AM, Andy wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/22/2011 4:34 PM, atec77 wrote:
>>> On 23/04/2011 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2011-04-23, > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe notbob can't afford one and hates to think everyone else has
>>>>> one. Hence his attempt to discredit the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> I had you pegged as one who was at least semi computer literate and
>>>> likely to see my post for what it was, a heads-up on a possible
>>>> security issue.
>>>>
>>>> "Hates to think"!? Stood in front of a mirror, lately?
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>> I have avoided then apple phones with good reason, I simply dislike
>>> the apple ethos and now it seems that feeling was correct , my
>>> current htc runs a free o/s which appears to not have secrets
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe that this is the case, my android phone will transmit
>> data at random moments and sometimes it appears that someone's taking
>> control of my phone - I'll find the settings changes.
>>
>> I have my phone setup to not share my information location, not enable
>> GPS, not enable background data, and not auto-sync with any
>> application. I don't allow the bluetooth and the wi-fi to connect
>> automatically. Heck, I even turn the 3G networks off.
>>
>> I do this to increase battery life but I also don't like the phone
>> sending information without my knowledge yet it's obvious to me that
>> it's doing just that.
>>
>> My guess is that the dirty little secret about the Android OS is that
>> it's a huge security risk with so many holes in it that I might have
>> to find some other OS. The nasty habit of giving so much control to
>> the apps has to be changed. A lot of the apps that come with the phone
>> can't be deleted nor can it's settings be changed. It's a total wild
>> wild west out there in Android land. The shocking thing is that it
>> appears that hardly anybody seems to be aware of these problems. My
>> guess is that someday the shit will hit the fan. It's an awful shame
>> that the price for thumbing our noses at Microsoft and Apple comes at
>> such a high price.
>
>
> Doesn't matter which cell phone or service provider!!!
>
> Thanks to the GPS chip in today's cell phones, you can run but you can't
> hide.
>
> You can always "opt out" of using cell phones entirely and quit bitching
> and Chicken Little preaching about "Big Brother!!!"

Or instead of "roll over and die" users can push back when business and
government become overbearing as in this case where if you want the
utility of a smartphone you need to bend over and forcibly accept an
anal probe..

>
> I'm not worried whatsoever, considering the uninteresting life I now
> live. I especially feel sorry for the life someone else, on the job,
> must have listening to it!!!
>
> LOL!
>
> Andy
> Boring rfc for the past 10+ years!!!
>

dsi1 wrote:

> My guess is that the dirty little secret about the Android OS is that
> it's a huge security risk with so many holes in it that I might have
> to find some other OS. The nasty habit of giving so much control to
> the apps has to be changed. A lot of the apps that come with the
> phone can't be deleted nor can it's settings be changed.

It's crazy, download this cute app! and you have no idea what
you're giving away in return.

> It's a total
> wild wild west out there in Android land. The shocking thing is that
> it appears that hardly anybody seems to be aware of these problems.
> My guess is that someday the shit will hit the fan. It's an awful
> shame that the price for thumbing our noses at Microsoft and Apple
> comes at such a high price.

Honestly, I don't think they're any different in this regard. At least,
not from what I've heard. I saw recently that the iPhone is keeping
track of everywhere you've been, creepy.

nancy

On 4/22/2011 10:42 PM, Andy wrote:
>
> Doesn't matter which cell phone or service provider!!!
>
> Thanks to the GPS chip in today's cell phones, you can run but you can't
> hide.

I'm pretty sure that anytime I make or receive a call, that my
approximate location is being logged. This has been true for years and
it's not done by GPS. The iPhone tracking is done by GPS but my GPS is
turned off. This means that I'm probably not giving out GPS data. No
matter, all cell phones have to use a network of cell towers - the
locations of which is being logged whatever the capabilities of your
phone. I don't give a crap about the iPhone "leaking like a sieve."
That's pretty much old news.

>
> You can always "opt out" of using cell phones entirely and quit bitching
> and Chicken Little preaching about "Big Brother!!!"

I'm might be chicken little but I'm not preaching. I understand the
price we pay for using technology and I'll accept it to whatever degree
the I want to. My bitch is that the Android apps have too much control
over our phones and we don't have enough control over the apps. My
comments are not directed at the iPhone. The Apple apps keeps the user
in the dark so the situation is pretty murky. My guess is that Apple
keeps a tight reign over it's third party apps but I believe that's not
the case with the Android OS.

>
> I'm not worried whatsoever, considering the uninteresting life I now
> live. I especially feel sorry for the life someone else, on the job,
> must have listening to it!!!

I don't know anything about your life but the posts about your
breakfasts would seem to confirm your observation.

>
> LOL!
>
> Andy
> Boring rfc for the past 10+ years!!!
>

On 4/23/2011 1:14 AM, atec77 wrote:
> On 23/04/2011 5:43 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 4/22/2011 4:34 PM, atec77 wrote:
>>> On 23/04/2011 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2011-04-23, > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe notbob can't afford one and hates to think everyone else has
>>>>> one.
>>>>> Hence his attempt to discredit the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> I had you pegged as one who was at least semi computer literate and
>>>> likely to see my post for what it was, a heads-up on a possible
>>>> security issue.
>>>>
>>>> "Hates to think"!? Stood in front of a mirror, lately?
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>> I have avoided then apple phones with good reason, I simply dislike the
>>> apple ethos and now it seems that feeling was correct , my current htc
>>> runs a free o/s which appears to not have secrets
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe that this is the case,
> huh ?
> I formated the phone and compiled what I needed sans aps to make it run
> , there are linix based o/s out there for FREE
> my android phone will transmit
>> data at random moments and sometimes it appears that someone's taking
>> control of my phone - I'll find the settings changes.
> exactly why I formated mine
>
>>
>>
> why not format yours ?

I don't have the technical skills to do this nor would I want to give up
my third party apps. The reality is that the much of the data is being
sent to T-mobile. I've pretty much done all that I can do without
monkeying around with the inner workings. The Android OS is probably the
OS of choice for people like you but for the average Joe, it's a minefield.

On 2011-04-23, dsi1 > wrote:

> matter, all cell phones have to use a network of cell towers - the
> locations of which is being logged whatever the capabilities of your
> phone. I don't give a crap about the iPhone "leaking like a sieve."

I follow this stuff pretty closely, cuz..... well... I think it's
important to be aware of one's privacy and rights or right to privacy
or however you wanna couch it. I guess I feel like other folks might
be somewhat concerned, too. Like I said, jes offering info, not
judgements.

>> live. I especially feel sorry for the life someone else, on the job,
>> must have listening to it!!!

It's all automated. Use terms like "kill", "explode", etc, and yer
communiqué WILL be flagged.

>> Andy
>> Boring rfc for the past 10+ years!!!

No argument, here.

nb

On 4/23/2011 2:37 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> Honestly, I don't think they're any different in this regard. At least,
> not from what I've heard. I saw recently that the iPhone is keeping
> track of everywhere you've been, creepy.
> nancy

It might be creepy but every time you use a cell phone you're giving
away your location information. Additionaly, my Samsung Behold 2 Android
phone has several ways to send out my location. There's options in the
setup menu to "Share with Google", "Use wireless networks", "Enable GPS
satellites." The apps that you load in and the apps that come with your
phone all seem to be hungry for your location. Your cell provider has
been tracking you for years - Apple and Google and others just want to
get a piece of the action.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/23/2011 2:37 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> Honestly, I don't think they're any different in this regard. At
>> least, not from what I've heard. I saw recently that the iPhone is
>> keeping track of everywhere you've been, creepy.
>> nancy
>
> It might be creepy but every time you use a cell phone you're giving
> away your location information.

Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
can get to it if there's some reason.

But that they keep a record on your iPhone/whatever without you
knowing, I have to guess for apps to be able to see where you go,
that creeps me.

> Additionaly, my Samsung Behold 2
> Android phone has several ways to send out my location. There's
> options in the setup menu to "Share with Google", "Use wireless
> networks", "Enable GPS satellites." The apps that you load in and the
> apps that come with your phone all seem to be hungry for your
> location.

Yeah, all those apps doing whatever they want without you knowing,
who signed up for that. Installing data collecting or whatever it is
they do.

nancy

In article > ,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:

> >
> > It might be creepy but every time you use a cell phone you're giving
> > away your location information.
>
> Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
> a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
> call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
> can get to it if there's some reason.

Plus, most people don't just want to make calls on their cell phones,
they want to be able to receive calls. So, as soon as you turn on your
cell phone, it does a scan for the most powerful (closest) signal. Once
it finds it, it sends out your phone id to that tower, and it is entered
into a database, so when somebody calls you, that call can be routed to
the tower that your phone is now listening to.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
>> a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
>> call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
>> can get to it if there's some reason.
>
> Plus, most people don't just want to make calls on their cell phones,
> they want to be able to receive calls. So, as soon as you turn on
> your cell phone, it does a scan for the most powerful (closest)
> signal. Once it finds it, it sends out your phone id to that tower,
> and it is entered into a database, so when somebody calls you, that
> call can be routed to the tower that your phone is now listening to.

Of course, it makes perfect sense when you put it that way. What
I know I picked up from watch true crime stuff and got the idea
you just needed your phone turned on for them to find out whereabouts
you were.

nancy

On 4/23/2011 9:57 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 4/23/2011 2:37 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> Honestly, I don't think they're any different in this regard. At
>>> least, not from what I've heard. I saw recently that the iPhone is
>>> keeping track of everywhere you've been, creepy.
>>> nancy
>>
>> It might be creepy but every time you use a cell phone you're giving
>> away your location information.
>
> Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
> a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
> call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
> can get to it if there's some reason.
>
> But that they keep a record on your iPhone/whatever without you
> knowing, I have to guess for apps to be able to see where you go,
> that creeps me.
>> Additionaly, my Samsung Behold 2
>> Android phone has several ways to send out my location. There's
>> options in the setup menu to "Share with Google", "Use wireless
>> networks", "Enable GPS satellites." The apps that you load in and the
>> apps that come with your phone all seem to be hungry for your
>> location.
>
> Yeah, all those apps doing whatever they want without you knowing,
> who signed up for that. Installing data collecting or whatever it is
> they do.

I have to turn on the location services when I use apps like Google Sky.
It's a hassle but it's a super bitchin' app. Thanks Google!

>
> nancy

On 4/23/2011 7:45 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>>> Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
>>> a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
>>> call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
>>> can get to it if there's some reason.
>>
>> Plus, most people don't just want to make calls on their cell phones,
>> they want to be able to receive calls. So, as soon as you turn on
>> your cell phone, it does a scan for the most powerful (closest)
>> signal. Once it finds it, it sends out your phone id to that tower,
>> and it is entered into a database, so when somebody calls you, that
>> call can be routed to the tower that your phone is now listening to.
>
> Of course, it makes perfect sense when you put it that way. What
> I know I picked up from watch true crime stuff and got the idea you just
> needed your phone turned on for them to find out whereabouts
> you were.
> nancy

The actual mechanism is called "autonomous registration". As Dan
described your phone registers itself when you first turn it on and then
periodically "re-registers" itself whenever it is on so the system can
pass a call to your handset or even know if you are roaming on another
system so it knows who to hand off the call to. That location
information is nowhere near like you see on the CSI shows where they
declare "OK, pick him up, he is on 59th st halfway between 5th and 6th
Avenue." Basically cellsites are sectorized into 3, 120 degree sectors
so it knows roughly where you are in a sector.

On 4/23/2011 8:03 AM, Andy wrote:
> George,
>
> I'm of the opinion that...
>
> Everybody's making an issue out of something that has been known for
> decades WAY BEFORE Apple got into the cell phone biz!!!
>
> All of a sudden, now, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" mentality
> has won the day and Apple's to blame??? WRONG!!!!!!
>
> Opt out of cell phone usage and shut the **** up. Problem solved!!!
>
> Andy

You could look at it that way and be a rider in the boat and not a
puller on the oars. What do you think this country would be like if
people didn't speak up?

I got wind through a friend that the state police had their own rules
about gun permit reciprocity. One of the most basic ideas in our system
is that police do not make rules but only enforce the rules that are
enacted by the legislature. I contacted my state rep's office who is a
liberal and was an anti gun guy. I asked to have him call me back and we
talked about how wrong it was to have the police make rules. He wrote
the state police commissioner asking for an explanation. A month letter
I received a copy of the letter written by the police commissioner to my
state rep explaining that he would honor gun permits according to law.

And even liberals can learn things. I called my rep a number of times
asking for his support of Castle Doctrine legislation. Initially he
disagreed with me and two months ago he was a sponsor of the
legislation.

If your representative doesn't know your name then you aren't doing your
part as a citizen.

Wellsfargo bought Wachovia and started the rebranding a few months ago.
One day I walked into the bank and asked to cash a check. I have
multiple accounts there and the teller knows me. The teller apologized
and said she had to ask for my drivers license. I asked why and she said
it was the new policy. I took the check back and went over to the
managers office. He was afraid to do anything so I asked him to get
whoever he reports to on the phone. It took a while and I politely told
the guy that it was offensive to ask known customers for an ID but
perfectly understandable if they were unknown. He replied he would look
into it and actually said he wished more people would express their
opinion. Maybe a week later I walked in and asked to cash a check and
got a big smile from the same teller who said they now didn't need to
ask for ID if they knew the customer.

On 4/23/2011 3:57 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 4/23/2011 2:37 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> Honestly, I don't think they're any different in this regard. At
>>> least, not from what I've heard. I saw recently that the iPhone is
>>> keeping track of everywhere you've been, creepy.
>>> nancy
>>
>> It might be creepy but every time you use a cell phone you're giving
>> away your location information.
>
> Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
> a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
> call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
> can get to it if there's some reason.

And that is another problem. Legal thinking hasn't kept up with
technology. Some cell providers are notorious for ignoring the 4th
amendment and simply give police any information they want without a
warrant. Warrantless searches are wrong.

Then there are neat tools that police can use:

http://thenextweb.com/us/2011/04/20/...r-two-minutes/


http://preview.tinyurl.com/43axe3g



>
> But that they keep a record on your iPhone/whatever without you
> knowing, I have to guess for apps to be able to see where you go,
> that creeps me.
>> Additionaly, my Samsung Behold 2
>> Android phone has several ways to send out my location. There's
>> options in the setup menu to "Share with Google", "Use wireless
>> networks", "Enable GPS satellites." The apps that you load in and the
>> apps that come with your phone all seem to be hungry for your
>> location.
>
> Yeah, all those apps doing whatever they want without you knowing,
> who signed up for that. Installing data collecting or whatever it is
> they do.
>
> nancy

It takes a lot of publicity to get folks off the couch and calling their
representatives.

On 4/23/2011 6:45 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>>> Oddly, I don't have a problem with that, you need to pick up
>>> a signal to place a call. I don't think you even need to make a
>>> call for there to be a record kept by the companies where police
>>> can get to it if there's some reason.
>>
>> Plus, most people don't just want to make calls on their cell phones,
>> they want to be able to receive calls. So, as soon as you turn on
>> your cell phone, it does a scan for the most powerful (closest)
>> signal. Once it finds it, it sends out your phone id to that tower,
>> and it is entered into a database, so when somebody calls you, that
>> call can be routed to the tower that your phone is now listening to.
>
> Of course, it makes perfect sense when you put it that way. What
> I know I picked up from watch true crime stuff and got the idea you just
> needed your phone turned on for them to find out whereabouts
> you were.
> nancy

On my (particular) cellphone and service - there's an option to turn-off
the GPS feature - whether or not that's true, I have no idea. The only
time GPS kicks in is when 911 is used. At least that's how I understand
this particular 'feature' is used on my rather-old cellphone (3+ years old).

Sky

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George wrote:
> On 4/23/2011 7:45 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> Dan Abel wrote:

>>> Plus, most people don't just want to make calls on their cell
>>> phones, they want to be able to receive calls. So, as soon as you
>>> turn on your cell phone, it does a scan for the most powerful
>>> (closest) signal. Once it finds it, it sends out your phone id to
>>> that tower, and it is entered into a database, so when somebody
>>> calls you, that call can be routed to the tower that your phone is
>>> now listening to.
>>
>> Of course, it makes perfect sense when you put it that way. What
>> I know I picked up from watch true crime stuff and got the idea you
>> just needed your phone turned on for them to find out whereabouts
>> you were.

> The actual mechanism is called "autonomous registration". As Dan
> described your phone registers itself when you first turn it on and
> then periodically "re-registers" itself whenever it is on so the
> system can pass a call to your handset or even know if you are
> roaming on another system so it knows who to hand off the call to.
> That location information is nowhere near like you see on the CSI
> shows where they declare "OK, pick him up, he is on 59th st halfway
> between 5th and 6th Avenue."

(laugh) Although with some of these smart phones/whatever, it
might not be that farfetched.

> Basically cellsites are sectorized into
> 3, 120 degree sectors so it knows roughly where you are in a sector.

I'm just happy when it proves some killer wasn't home with his phone
like he said he was.

On the other side of the coin, the cell phone company wouldn't
cooperate in a couple of cases in time for it to help, when they
could have done good. For instance that poor family that got
lost in Oregon could have been found in time if the police and
the phone companies had released the info.

nancy

dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/23/2011 9:57 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> Yeah, all those apps doing whatever they want without you knowing,
>> who signed up for that. Installing data collecting or whatever it is
>> they do.
>
> I have to turn on the location services when I use apps like Google
> Sky. It's a hassle but it's a super bitchin' app. Thanks Google!

Some of the stuff looks like a lot of fun, that's for sure. And a lot
of the apps look really handy, too.

nancy

On 4/23/2011 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 4/23/2011 9:57 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, all those apps doing whatever they want without you knowing,
>>> who signed up for that. Installing data collecting or whatever it is
>>> they do.
>>
>> I have to turn on the location services when I use apps like Google
>> Sky. It's a hassle but it's a super bitchin' app. Thanks Google!
>
> Some of the stuff looks like a lot of fun, that's for sure. And a lot
> of the apps look really handy, too.
> nancy

Google Sky will give you a star map on your display that's somehow
coordinated to the night sky. It labels your view. Beats the heck out of
me how it can do this.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/23/2011 3:51 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> Some of the stuff looks like a lot of fun, that's for sure. And a lot
>> of the apps look really handy, too.

> Google Sky will give you a star map on your display that's somehow
> coordinated to the night sky. It labels your view. Beats the heck out
> of me how it can do this.

Best not to ask, I figure. That is a cool app.

nancy