"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
> of the high sudsing additives. The P & G and Unilever products are the
> worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
> Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?

I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't
need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate revenue
to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in

> I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found.
> You don't need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent.
> Plus they donate revenue to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue
> organizations.
>
> Paul

Dawn is also Great if you have oil stains on your driveway.
Got ride of many of my kids cars oil stains through the years.

On May 9, 7:08*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Roy" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
> > of the high sudsing additives. The P & G and Unilever products are the
> > worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
> > Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>
> I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. *You don't
> need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. *Plus they donate revenue
> to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>
> Paul

Dawn is murder on your hands though and I find Ajax is just as good at
cutting through the grease.
And you are paying for those donations... their prices are MUCH higher
to accomodate their profit margin after the donation is made. And it's
probably not as much as you might think per bottle. You are better off
donating on your own to those organizations. I also prefer not to use
P&G products but that's a story for another day. It's very hard to
avoid them since they've bought up so many other companies but I try
to limit my purchases to items that weren't always under P&G's
umbrella.

"Catmandy (Sheryl)" > wrote in message
...
On May 9, 7:08 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Roy" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
> > of the high sudsing additives. The P & G and Unilever products are the
> > worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
> > Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>
> I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't
> need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate
> revenue
> to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>
> Paul

Dawn is murder on your hands though and I find Ajax is just as good at
cutting through the grease.
And you are paying for those donations... their prices are MUCH higher
to accomodate their profit margin after the donation is made. And it's
probably not as much as you might think per bottle. You are better off
donating on your own to those organizations. I also prefer not to use
P&G products but that's a story for another day. It's very hard to
avoid them since they've bought up so many other companies but I try
to limit my purchases to items that weren't always under P&G's
umbrella.


P&G is one of the most unethical businesses when it comes to animal testing.
I boycott all of their products for this reason. I cannot abide by a
company that infects 10s of thousands of animals with cancer merely to test
new formulas for their specialty diets. I'm no PETA member but I simply
cannot condone their practices with my patronage.

Paul

On 5/9/2011 7:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
>> of the high sudsing additives. The P& G and Unilever products are the
>> worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
>> Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>
> I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't
> need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate revenue
> to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>
> Paul
>
>
I go out of my way to avoid products/businesses who typically
disingenuously claim you should like them because they donate to some
cause because it is usually a pittance. If you like a cause donate to it
directly (after due diligence to verify that a reasonable amount of what
is collected goes to the actual cause).

"Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>
>P&G is one of the most unethical businesses when it comes to animal testing.
>I boycott all of their products for this reason. I cannot abide by a
>company that infects 10s of thousands of animals with cancer merely to test
>new formulas for their specialty diets. I'm no PETA member but I simply
>cannot condone their practices with my patronage.

Of course you can cite medical journal references... I never knew that
cancer was an infection... were that true a round of penicilin would
be a cure. I wonder what would cure your mental retardation...
Preparation H! LOL

"George" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/9/2011 7:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
>>> of the high sudsing additives. The P& G and Unilever products are the
>>> worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
>>> Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>>
>> I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't
>> need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate
>> revenue
>> to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
> I go out of my way to avoid products/businesses who typically
> disingenuously claim you should like them because they donate to some
> cause because it is usually a pittance. If you like a cause donate to it
> directly (after due diligence to verify that a reasonable amount of what
> is collected goes to the actual cause).


Thank you, George! They donate about 1/10th of one cent to "charity".
They're most recently using the oil spill in the gulf to sell their product
because it "cuts grease". Can you say flagrant? I like Ajax dish
detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> Thank you, George! They donate about 1/10th of one cent to "charity".
> They're most recently using the oil spill in the gulf to sell their
> product because it "cuts grease". Can you say flagrant? I like Ajax
> dish detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>
> Jill

We use Dawn for emergency degreasing when doing emergency medical care
at boat races. It *is* different somehow.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> I like Ajax dish
>> detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>>
>> Jill
>
> And does not make the dishes stink like Dawn does and affect food
> flavors served or stored in them.

Hmmm..I've never noticed that being a problem no matter what brand of
dishwashing detergent I used. Perhaps you need to rinse them better?

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Thank you, George! They donate about 1/10th of one cent to "charity".
>> They're most recently using the oil spill in the gulf to sell their
>> product because it "cuts grease". Can you say flagrant? I like Ajax
>> dish detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>>
>> Jill
>
> We use Dawn for emergency degreasing when doing emergency medical care at
> boat races. It *is* different somehow.

I works a whole lot better, it does not harm the animals, they do not animal
test and 1/10 of one cent is a hell of a lot of money when you add up their
revenues into the billions. And they have done this forever, and are not
using the Gulf disaster as a marketing tool. My sister did volunteer
wildlife rescue for decades and they used Dawn for most of that time. Some
things really are just good all around. P&G is an immoral and unethical
company, IMO.

Paul

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>> >
>> >P&G is one of the most unethical businesses when it comes to animal
>> >testing.
>> >I boycott all of their products for this reason. I cannot abide by a
>> >company that infects 10s of thousands of animals with cancer merely to
>> >test
>> >new formulas for their specialty diets. I'm no PETA member but I simply
>> >cannot condone their practices with my patronage.
>>
>> Of course you can cite medical journal references... I never knew that
>> cancer was an infection... were that true a round of penicilin would
>> be a cure. I wonder what would cure your mental retardation...
>> Preparation H! LOL
>
> Actually, some cancers are associated with viral infections... Do your
> homework.


He flunked nap time.

Paul

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 5/9/2011 7:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
>> >>> of the high sudsing additives. The P& G and Unilever products are
>> >>> the
>> >>> worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
>> >>> Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>> >>
>> >> I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You
>> >> don't
>> >> need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate
>> >> revenue
>> >> to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I go out of my way to avoid products/businesses who typically
>> > disingenuously claim you should like them because they donate to some
>> > cause because it is usually a pittance. If you like a cause donate to
>> > it
>> > directly (after due diligence to verify that a reasonable amount of
>> > what
>> > is collected goes to the actual cause).
>>
>>
>> Thank you, George! They donate about 1/10th of one cent to "charity".
>> They're most recently using the oil spill in the gulf to sell their
>> product
>> because it "cuts grease". Can you say flagrant? I like Ajax dish
>> detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>>
>> Jill
>
> And does not make the dishes stink like Dawn does and affect food
> flavors served or stored in them.

Have you tried rinsing your dishes in war to hot water? Seriously, I use it
and have for a long time and I don't detect any odor at all. And I have a
nose like a bloodhound. Just less furry.

Paul

Goomba > wrote:

>Omelet wrote:

>> In article >,
>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>> I like Ajax dish
>>> detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> And does not make the dishes stink like Dawn does and affect food
>> flavors served or stored in them.
>
>Hmmm..I've never noticed that being a problem no matter what brand of
>dishwashing detergent I used. Perhaps you need to rinse them better?

I twice in about 20 years of using Dawn had Dawn-perfume odors get
into food. But this was enough to make me permanently switch to
unscented liquids. AFAIK I had rinsed things carefully both times. Why
take chances? It ruined one glass of good wine, and one batch of leeks.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:

> I twice in about 20 years of using Dawn had Dawn-perfume odors get
> into food. But this was enough to make me permanently switch to
> unscented liquids. AFAIK I had rinsed things carefully both times. Why
> take chances? It ruined one glass of good wine, and one batch of leeks.
>
> Steve

But in that case it could have been ANY brand of detergent with a scent
(rather than a totally unscented one).

On May 9, 10:55*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Catmandy (Sheryl)" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On May 9, 7:08 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > "Roy" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> > >I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
> > > of the high sudsing additives. The P & G and Unilever products are the
> > > worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
> > > Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>
> > I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't
> > need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate
> > revenue
> > to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>
> > Paul
>
> Dawn is murder on your hands though and I find Ajax is just as good at
> cutting through the grease.
> And you are paying for those donations... their prices are MUCH higher
> to accomodate their profit margin after the donation is made. And it's
> probably not as much as you might think per bottle. You are better off
> donating on your own to those organizations. I also prefer not to use
> P&G products but that's a story for another day. It's very hard to
> avoid them since they've bought up so many other companies but I try
> to limit my purchases to items that weren't always under P&G's
> umbrella.
>
> P&G is one of the most unethical businesses when it comes to animal testing.
> I boycott all of their products for this reason. *I cannot abide by a
> company that infects 10s of thousands of animals with cancer merely to test
> new formulas for their specialty diets. *I'm no PETA member but I simply
> cannot condone their practices with my patronage.
>
> Paul

You just contradicted yourself. P&G makes Dawn. You said you "use Dawn
because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't need much
of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate revenue
to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations."

So which is it? Does their donation to wildlife rehab make up for the
animal testing?

On May 10, 1:12*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
>
> >> Thank you, George! *They donate about 1/10th of one cent to "charity".
> >> They're most recently using the oil spill in the gulf to sell their
> >> product because it "cuts grease". *Can you say flagrant? *I like Ajax
> >> dish detergent. *It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>
> >> Jill
>
> > We use Dawn for emergency degreasing when doing emergency medical care at
> > boat races. It *is* different somehow.
>
> I works a whole lot better, it does not harm the animals, they do not animal
> test and 1/10 of one cent is a hell of a lot of money when you add up their
> revenues into the billions. *And they have done this forever, and are not
> using the Gulf disaster as a marketing tool. *My sister did volunteer
> wildlife rescue for decades and they used Dawn for most of that time. *Some
> things really are just good all around. *P&G is an immoral and unethical
> company, IMO.
>
> Paul

P&G makes Dawn Dishwashing detergent. So I don't know where you are
getting your information from.

On May 10, 1:01*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >, George >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 5/9/2011 7:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > > *wrote in message
> > ....
> > >> I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
> > >> of the high sudsing additives. The P& *G and Unilever products are the
> > >> worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
> > >> Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>
> > > I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. *You don't
> > > need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. *Plus they donate revenue
> > > to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>
> > > Paul
>
> > I go out of my way to avoid products/businesses who typically
> > disingenuously claim you should like them because they donate to some
> > cause because it is usually a pittance. If you like a cause donate to it
> > directly (after due diligence to verify that a reasonable amount of what
> > is collected goes to the actual cause).
>
> Ajax cuts grease better than Dawn, is less expensive and leaves no nasty
> perfume scent on dishes to contaminate the food.
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Mark Twain

Ajax is the best. And I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who thinks
so. Good! Maybe it won't be discontinued.
They had a scent a few years ago, lavender-lemon. I loved it! The
smell reminded me of a bubble bath my Mom used to use, actually. It
was only available at Walmart and not all the time. It was hard to
find and then they discontinued it, probably due to low sales. Thing
is... if it's hard to find and not sold in a lot of places, how can
people buy it?? Frustrating!

But anyway, Lemon Ajax is really the best there is and I've been using
it for most of my life. The other one I liked a lot was an oldie but a
goodie, Crystal White Octagon. It was cheap, and I found it mostly at
Walmart, and one of the supermarkets. Then it disappeared from store
shelves due to low sales--then they discontinued it. It wasn't
popular, they didn't advertise but it did a great job on dishes and
pots. Oh, and washing up the kitchen after cooking. Cut right through
cooking schmutz on the stove top, backsplash, range hood, etc. And
food stains on clothing?--used it as a pre-treater before putting the
clothes in the washer.

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:
>Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> I twice in about 20 years of using Dawn had Dawn-perfume odors get
>> into food. But this was enough to make me permanently switch to
>> unscented liquids. AFAIK I had rinsed things carefully both times. Why
>> take chances? It ruined one glass of good wine, and one batch of leeks.
>>
>> Steve
>
>But in that case it could have been ANY brand of detergent with a scent
>(rather than a totally unscented one).

Possibly, and conversely any unscented detergent avoids this
problem. However my conjecture is Dawn scent can hold on if
there is any sort of light residue or film that isn't washing off.
Perhaps they have to extra-sturdy scents for the detergent not to
denature them. Who knows.

S.

"Catmandy (Sheryl)" > wrote in message
...
On May 9, 10:55 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Catmandy (Sheryl)" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On May 9, 7:08 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > "Roy" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > >I despise these liquid detergents for hand washing of dishes because
> > > of the high sudsing additives. The P & G and Unilever products are the
> > > worst. Are their low sudsing products available at reasonable prices?
> > > Anyone else having similar experience with liquid dish detergents?
>
> > I use Dawn because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't
> > need much of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate
> > revenue
> > to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations.
>
> > Paul
>
> Dawn is murder on your hands though and I find Ajax is just as good at
> cutting through the grease.
> And you are paying for those donations... their prices are MUCH higher
> to accomodate their profit margin after the donation is made. And it's
> probably not as much as you might think per bottle. You are better off
> donating on your own to those organizations. I also prefer not to use
> P&G products but that's a story for another day. It's very hard to
> avoid them since they've bought up so many other companies but I try
> to limit my purchases to items that weren't always under P&G's
> umbrella.
>
> P&G is one of the most unethical businesses when it comes to animal
> testing.
> I boycott all of their products for this reason. I cannot abide by a
> company that infects 10s of thousands of animals with cancer merely to
> test
> new formulas for their specialty diets. I'm no PETA member but I simply
> cannot condone their practices with my patronage.
>
> Paul

You just contradicted yourself. P&G makes Dawn. You said you "use Dawn
because it is the best grease cutter I have found. You don't need much
of it and it is a low foaming detergent. Plus they donate revenue
to wildlife rehabilitation and rescue organizations."

So which is it? Does their donation to wildlife rehab make up for the
animal testing?


You got me, I was not aware of that. I could have sworn it was Unilever all
these years. Was it ever another manufacturere's brand?? So that does end
my use of that product, yes. It is a darned good product and I hope they
continue their donations but no, that does not make up the difference. I
never thought I could feel conflicted over something petty like dish soap
but there you go.

Paul

On Wed, 11 May 2011 01:00:22 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Goomba > wrote:
>
>>Omelet wrote:
>
>>> In article >,
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>>> I like Ajax dish
>>>> detergent. It doesn't foam excessively and it's also inexpensive.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> And does not make the dishes stink like Dawn does and affect food
>>> flavors served or stored in them.
>>
>>Hmmm..I've never noticed that being a problem no matter what brand of
>>dishwashing detergent I used. Perhaps you need to rinse them better?
>
>I twice in about 20 years of using Dawn had Dawn-perfume odors get
>into food. But this was enough to make me permanently switch to
>unscented liquids. AFAIK I had rinsed things carefully both times. Why
>take chances? It ruined one glass of good wine, and one batch of leeks.

Then the scent is a good thing, as is the foaming... if it ensures you
rinse well enough to remove the scent (and foam) it also means you've
rinsed well enough to remove all the product residue. Regardless
which product many simply don't rinse well... and most people use more
than twice as much product as is needed to do the job... I've watched
how some hand wash dishes, I no longer accept their dinner invites...
one can only wonder about their other personal hygiene habits or I
should say lack thereof.

Boron Elgar wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:08:33 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:
>
>>In article
>,
>> "Catmandy (Sheryl)" > wrote:
>>
>>> The other one I liked a lot was an oldie but a
>>> goodie, Crystal White Octagon. It was cheap, and I found it mostly at
>>> Walmart, and one of the supermarkets. Then it disappeared from store
>>> shelves due to low sales--then they discontinued it. It wasn't
>>> popular, they didn't advertise but it did a great job on dishes and
>>> pots. Oh, and washing up the kitchen after cooking. Cut right through
>>> cooking schmutz on the stove top, backsplash, range hood, etc. And
>>> food stains on clothing?--used it as a pre-treater before putting the
>>> clothes in the washer.
>>
>> I LOVED Crystal White Octagon! It was cheap, worked well, I also
>>used it as a stain treater. I was so sad when it disappeared. Now, I
>>get whatever is cheap and doesn't have triclosan in it that I can find
>>at the Grocery Outlet, but I miss that yellow bottle.
>
>You can try ordering the industrial size of it:
>
>http://www.suitesupply.com/octagon-c...4350cpl.01.htm
>
>My favorite baked on icky-stuff cleaner from Dawn, called Power
>Dissolver, was also taken off the retail shelves, but still available
>from industrial supply places.
>
>I guess there is still a market for these items and they are as good
>we think they are, but they have just not been advertised into the
>hearts of consumers.

Crystal White Octagon is a Colgate Palmolive product, it's probably
Palmolive green without the green. I've been using Palmolive green
since forever, my mother used it too... works fine for me. Regardless
which dishwashing product you use wear rubber gloves.