Are there other members here? With all the concern over germs and
mishandling of food, I'd think it would be a good place to start.

I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of what it
does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore, an hour away.

You can easily become an activist for clean, ethical food with full
revelation of source. Or you can just keep on top of what is an issue where
you live. It doesn't pay to complain if you don't back it up with action,
right?

Giusi wrote:

> Are there other members here? With all the concern over germs and
> mishandling of food, I'd think it would be a good place to start.
>
> I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of
> what it does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is
> Baltimore, an hour away.

Here it is 50 euros a year, 1/3 means less than 17 euros? I'm glad for
people in the USA.
Here the best things I have found so far thanks to SF is a supplier of
barzigole, small sheep steaks, and a producer of Brescia-style cheese here
in the hills, and the name of a bakery making a wonderful gnocco al forno.
For the rest, I knew most of the suppliers they use, even personally such as
some winemakers and farmers.
Do you partake in the GAP ? If yes, have you tried their San Marzano DOP
tomatoes from Agrigenus? I highly recommand them, even if I have to share
them with friends and family since the minimum order is 12 half liter
cans...
--
ViLco
Let the liquor do the thinking

"ViLco" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Giusi wrote:
>
>> Are there other members here? With all the concern over germs and
>> mishandling of food, I'd think it would be a good place to start.
>>
>> I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of
>> what it does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is
>> Baltimore, an hour away.
>
> Here it is 50 euros a year, 1/3 means less than 17 euros? I'm glad for
> people in the USA.

Yes, the membership costs $25 in the US. A bargain for real.

> Here the best things I have found so far thanks to SF is a supplier of
> barzigole, small sheep steaks, and a producer of Brescia-style cheese here
> in the hills, and the name of a bakery making a wonderful gnocco al forno.
> For the rest, I knew most of the suppliers they use, even personally such
> as some winemakers and farmers.
> Do you partake in the GAP ? If yes, have you tried their San Marzano DOP
> tomatoes from Agrigenus? I highly recommand them, even if I have to share
> them with friends and family since the minimum order is 12 half liter
> cans...

I haven't given a lot of thought as to what I could get, other than the
magazine and books, but I feel like it is necessary to support efforts to
keep food clean and good. I know the SF label on a restaurant only means
they don't use pre-made foods, as I have been to some locally that weren't
wonderful, but it was all homemade nevertheless.

I'll pay more attention to what I can get from now on. I've loads of foodie
friends here.

In article >, says...
>
> Are there other members here? With all the concern over germs and
> mishandling of food, I'd think it would be a good place to start.
>
> I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of what it
> does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore, an hour away.
>
> You can easily become an activist for clean, ethical food with full
> revelation of source. Or you can just keep on top of what is an issue where
> you live. It doesn't pay to complain if you don't back it up with action,
> right?

"Slow Food" seems to be some kind of political organization. If you
want to buy her something that benefits her directly buy her a
membership in the nearest CSA.

On 2011-05-10, Giusi > wrote:

> I am buying my DD a membership....
Dyspeptic Doyennes?
Deedee Dinah's?
Doofus Diners?

> does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore....

Her who!?

> You can easily become an activist for clean, ethical food....

Ethical food???

What the HELL are you talking about, Giusi?

nb

On May 10, 3:21*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> Are there other members here? *With all the concern over germs and
> mishandling of food, I'd think it would be a good place to start.
>
> I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of what it
> does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore, an hour away.
>
> You can easily become an activist for clean, ethical food with full
> revelation of source. *Or you can just keep on top of what is an issue where
> you live. *It doesn't pay to complain if you don't back it up with action,
> right?

I think you'll find that most people here prefer "medium food". I'm
one.
I don't care much about where the ingredients came from, as long as
they're reasonably good quality, reasonably clean, and reasonably
tasty.

For the most part, it has to be cooked by real people, although I'll
eat factory product when it's ketchup or potato chips or something
else that I don't want to get involved in making myself.

Cindy Hamilton

"J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Are there other members here? >> I am buying my DD a membership
>> (membership in the US costs 1/3 of what it
>> does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore, an hour
>> away.
>>
>
> "Slow Food" seems to be some kind of political organization. If you
> want to buy her something that benefits her directly buy her a
> membership in the nearest CSA.

It may be the ignorance about what SF means that has led to your not knowing
if you are eating Monsanto or vegetable. Remember the rare hamburger?
Remember eggs that weren't scary?

On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:38:25 +0200 in rec.food.cooking, "Giusi"
> wrote,
>
>It may be the ignorance about what SF means

Slow food:
Escargot
Turtle Soup
Molasses in January

David Harmon wrote:

> On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:38:25 +0200 in rec.food.cooking, "Giusi"
> > wrote,
>
>>It may be the ignorance about what SF means
>
>
> Slow food:
> Escargot
> Turtle Soup
> Molasses in January
>

To say nothing about slow eating.

Took me 20 years to over come 6 months of military programing to gobble
my food.

Its funny really, as for a brief, roughly 20 year period when i was more
or less like everybody else, bolting their food to get on with their
life. The last 20 years have been spent on an effort to 'slow down'.

Not just in the consumption of food, but in other aspects of life as
well, i wont run for a bus or cab any more.

I resist being rushed as a conscious exercise in restraint. Fortunately
i don't have to rush anywhere any more and as an Aries i seem to be able
to react well instinctually when its necessary to act quickly.

One time a year or so ago i found my self staring to run for a waiting
subway train, realized what i was doing and slowed back down to my
normal walking pace. Telling my self, that even though the train was
waiting, doors open, about to start, there would be another and i must
not rush.

So i kept walking the maybe 30 feet all the time marvelling that the
train did not close its door and pull out.

As i got next to the door, just behind the drivers station i looked
toward the drive section expecting the door to close in my face and
instead a nice Asian man leaned out his window, bowed to me ( i smiled
and acknowledged him) and i walked on and away we went.

But that's the exception rather than the rule, i have experienced my
share of mean bus drivers that see you rushing for the bus, wait till
your ready to step on and slam the door in your face, and smile wickedly
as they drive away.

Not only will i not rush for a bus anymore but i rarely ever need to
take one even casually anymore
--
JL

On Tue, 10 May 2011 12:49:00 -0700, David Harmon >
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:38:25 +0200 in rec.food.cooking, "Giusi"
> wrote,
>>
>>It may be the ignorance about what SF means
>
>Slow food:
> Escargot
> Turtle Soup
> Molasses in January
>


Thanks for clearing that up-- I was thinking more like 3 day rising of
bread in the refrigerator, or BBQ brisket.

And then they drew SF into it, and I wasn't sure if it was the city,
the genre, or the poster from the city. . .

Never heard of Slow Food, the business. Maybe the name makes more
sense in Italian-
http://www.slowfood.com/international/6/faqs

"Why the name Slow Food?
It’s an ironic way of saying no to fast food. Slow Food means living
an unhurried life, beginning at the table."

Jim

M. JL Esq. wrote:
> David Harmon wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:38:25 +0200 in rec.food.cooking, "Giusi"
>> > wrote,
>>
>>> It may be the ignorance about what SF means
>>
>>
>> Slow food:
>> Escargot
>> Turtle Soup
>> Molasses in January
>>
>
> To say nothing about slow eating.
>
> Took me 20 years to over come 6 months of military programing to gobble
> my food.
>
> Its funny really, as for a brief, roughly 20 year period when i was more
> or less like everybody else, bolting their food to get on with their
> life. The last 20 years have been spent on an effort to 'slow down'.
>
> Not just in the consumption of food, but in other aspects of life as
> well, i wont run for a bus or cab any more.
>
> I resist being rushed as a conscious exercise in restraint. Fortunately
> i don't have to rush anywhere any more and as an Aries i seem to be able
> to react well instinctually when its necessary to act quickly.
>
> One time a year or so ago i found my self staring to run for a waiting
> subway train, realized what i was doing and slowed back down to my
> normal walking pace. Telling my self, that even though the train was
> waiting, doors open, about to start, there would be another and i must
> not rush.
>
> So i kept walking the maybe 30 feet all the time marvelling that the
> train did not close its door and pull out.
>
> As i got next to the door, just behind the drivers station i looked
> toward the drive section expecting the door to close in my face and
> instead a nice Asian man leaned out his window, bowed to me ( i smiled
> and acknowledged him) and i walked on and away we went.
>
> But that's the exception rather than the rule, i have experienced my
> share of mean bus drivers that see you rushing for the bus, wait till
> your ready to step on and slam the door in your face, and smile wickedly
> as they drive away.
>
> Not only will i not rush for a bus anymore but i rarely ever need to
> take one even casually anymore
> --
> JL

Nice philosophy--one I should work on.

--
Jean B.

On 10 May 2011 12:46:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-05-10, Giusi > wrote:
>
> > I am buying my DD a membership....
> Dyspeptic Doyennes?
> Deedee Dinah's?
> Doofus Diners?
>
> > does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore....
>
> Her who!?
>
> > You can easily become an activist for clean, ethical food....
>
> Ethical food???
>
> What the HELL are you talking about, Giusi?
>
> nb

She's talking about something I have known about for a long time, but
didn't know had a membership fee. Join Facebook and "like" it.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 11 May 2011 13:36:26 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2011-05-11, sf > wrote:
>
> > didn't know had a membership fee. Join Facebook and "like" it.
>
> Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Hey, at least that's free to do.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:06:42 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:21:52 +0200, Giusi wrote:
>>
>>> Are there other members here? With all the concern over germs and
>>> mishandling of food, I'd think it would be a good place to start.
>>>
>>> I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of
>>> what it does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is
>>> Baltimore, an hour away.
>>>
>>> You can easily become an activist for clean, ethical food with full
>>> revelation of source. Or you can just keep on top of what is an
>>> issue where you live. It doesn't pay to complain if you don't back
>>> it up with action, right?
>>
>> What does membership buy you?
>
> OK, so I looked at the website and "Donate" and "Become a Member" both
> just take you to a donation page where one can donate any amount they
> wish to become a member. And it's still unclear what being a member
> does other than support the cause monetarily.
>
> http://www.slowfoodusa.org/
>
> I don't where this "1/3rd the price as it is in Italy" comes from.
> There is no set price that I can see.
>
> -sw

Well, I was about to ask someone to post a web link for whatever it is
we're talking about that everyone else seems to already have heard of -
thanks for doing that. I'll have a look later.

Change of topic: Slow Eating

I'm always the last one done at the table - does that count for
something? Seriously, if left to my own devices - dinner by myself and
something good to read - I could be at the table for an hour or long. I
find I really do feel better when I eat more slowly.

-S-

Ranee at Arabian Knits > wrote:

> "J. Clarke" > wrote:

>> "Slow Food" seems to be some kind of political organization. If you
>> want to buy her something that benefits her directly buy her a
>> membership in the nearest CSA.
>
> I agree. I like the premise of the Slow Food movement, but I don't
>like how they push a particular political point of view and agenda as
>though that were the only way to make such food available.

I see no evidence of Slow Food having a political slant.

I have however seen CAMRA come down on the side of being rightist
(they oppose immigration, thinking it will destroy traditional beer).
Possibly some slow food thinking is along the same lines, but
in Europe I see many self-identified socialists signed up with
Slow Food. Possibly the rightists outnumber them somewhat.

Steve

"Ranee at Arabian Knits" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> "Slow Food" seems to be some kind of political organization. If you
>> want to buy her something that benefits her directly buy her a
>> membership in the nearest CSA.
>
> I agree. I like the premise of the Slow Food movement, but I don't
> like how they push a particular political point of view and agenda as
> though that were the only way to make such food available.

Sounds like you haven't really looked into the basic premises, which are
mainly about getting clean and safe food supplies and cooking real food!
It's actually just your style, Ranee.

My daughter buys her own CSA, or she did until they overdosed her on some
things and left out a lot of other things. We all know that weather and
bugs can change what's available, but that doesn't make you want it more.

In article >,
Janet > wrote:
>In article >, says...
>>
>> I have however seen CAMRA come down on the side of being rightist
>> (they oppose immigration, thinking it will destroy traditional beer).
>
> ?????? Can you provide a link to that?
>

No but I have seen it expressed on some of the CAMRA local
chapter sites.

I'm not saying it's a pronounced trend or official or anything.

Steve

On 5/10/2011 3:21 AM, Giusi wrote:
> I am buying my DD a membership (membership in the US costs 1/3 of what it
> does here) but unfortunately her closest chapter is Baltimore, an hour away.

Never heard of it so I'll check it out. There is one in DC, though.
http://www.slowfooddc.org/

On 5/17/2011 7:54 PM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:

> LOL! You'd think that would be how our children were, eat it up
> before it runs out, but they take their leisure at each meal. You'd
> never know they came from such a large family.
>

My ex husband was the oldest of 13 kids! He said they literally did
have to eat fast to get enough.

In article >,
Janet > wrote:
>In article >, says...
>>
>> In article >,
>> Janet > wrote:
>> >In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> I have however seen CAMRA come down on the side of being rightist
>> >> (they oppose immigration, thinking it will destroy traditional beer).
>> >
>> > ?????? Can you provide a link to that?
>> >
>>
>> No but I have seen it expressed on some of the CAMRA local
>> chapter sites.
>
> That's a bit different from saying Camra (the organisation) come down on
>that side.

>> I'm not saying it's a pronounced trend or official or anything.
>
> I hope not.

Let's just say it is worrisome if/when one encounters it. I hope
not to see Slow Food or CAMRA slide in such a direction.

But to some extent, advocating preserving a traditional aspect of culture
(food, beer, music, whatever) is going to have some crossover with
isolationist sentiments. Not everyone accepts pan-culturalism. In food
culture, nationalism and regionalism are always going to play a part. It
is something to be sensitive to.


Steve

In article >, says...
>
> Ranee at Arabian Knits > wrote:
>
> > "J. Clarke" > wrote:
>
> >> "Slow Food" seems to be some kind of political organization. If you
> >> want to buy her something that benefits her directly buy her a
> >> membership in the nearest CSA.
> >
> > I agree. I like the premise of the Slow Food movement, but I don't
> >like how they push a particular political point of view and agenda as
> >though that were the only way to make such food available.
>
> I see no evidence of Slow Food having a political slant.

They're trying to change society to suit their vision. That is
politics.

> I have however seen CAMRA come down on the side of being rightist
> (they oppose immigration, thinking it will destroy traditional beer).
> Possibly some slow food thinking is along the same lines, but
> in Europe I see many self-identified socialists signed up with
> Slow Food. Possibly the rightists outnumber them somewhat.

I don't understand your point. Nobody asserted that it was a "leftist"
or a "rightist" organization. If it can get both sides to support its
agenda it stands a greater chance of success than if it aligns with a
"side".

"J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio news

> They're trying to change society to suit their vision. That is >
> politics.

I have quite a bit if experience with Slow Food, and it doesn't lean either
way. If it's political to try to keep hormone and antibiotic infused
animals off the meat counter, then I'm political, If it is political to
require testing for incurable diseases that can be transferred to humans
then I am political. If it is political to keep deadly plastics out of
milk, yeah, that too.

There has to be another side to balance Monsanto. If you want to live in a
world where you haven't got a clue what's in that food you just bought,
you'd better start your own country. Even if many on this newsgroup don't
think it's their responsibility to keep food safe, they get upset when they
find out someone has been stiffing them or endangering their health.
Someone has to draw a line. Shouldn't it be the consumers? The FDA has let
us down and that's just one country anyway.

In article >, says...
>
> "J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio news
>
> > They're trying to change society to suit their vision. That is >
> > politics.
>
> I have quite a bit if experience with Slow Food, and it doesn't lean either
> way.

If it wants the government to do something then it's political.
"Leaning" is irrelevant.

> If it's political to try to keep hormone and antibiotic infused
> animals off the meat counter, then I'm political.

If you're trying to do it by persuading the government to prohibit the
sale of such products, that is most assuredly political action.

> If it is political to
> require testing for incurable diseases that can be transferred to humans
> then I am political.

If you're trying to get the government to require such tests, then yes,
that is most assuredly political.

> If it is political to keep deadly plastics out of
> milk, yeah, that too.

If you are trying to get the government to take action to prevent this,
then yes, that is most assuredly political.

Why are you having a problem with calling political action what it is?

> There has to be another side to balance Monsanto.

Which is fine, but you are, by purchasing membership in this
organization in your daughter's name, taking political action on her
behalf. If she has spontaneously and without any prompting from you
expressed interest in belonging to this particular political
organization then your gift to her is quite generous. If she has not
expressed such interest then you are in effect forcing a political
stance on her that she may not support.

Besides, I thought it was Archer Daniels that was the Evil Empire. Has
Monsanto taken that role now?

> If you want to live in a
> world where you haven't got a clue what's in that food you just bought,
> you'd better start your own country.

Who has advocated this? And what relevance does it have to the question
of whether Slow Food is a political organization?

> Even if many on this newsgroup don't
> think it's their responsibility to keep food safe, they get upset when they
> find out someone has been stiffing them or endangering their health.

Which has what relevance to the nature of the "Slow Food" organization?

> Someone has to draw a line.

Perhaps. If a "line" is to be "drawn" some sort of political action is
required, is it not?

> Shouldn't it be the consumers?

In a democratic society the consumers in principle are the government so
any action that changes the attitudes of the consumers is necessarily
political.

> The FDA has let
> us down and that's just one country anyway.

The US FDA has let Italy down? How? The US FDA has no authority in
Italy.

However I fail to see how the actions fo the FDA have any relevance to
the question of whether Slow Food is political.

Slow Food may be good and beneficial and desirable, but that does not
make it any less political.

You might find it interesting to read an introductory political science
text sometime. "Politics" does not mean what you seem to think it
means.

In article >,
"Giusi" > wrote:

> "J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio news
>
> > They're trying to change society to suit their vision. That is >
> > politics.
>
> I have quite a bit if experience with Slow Food, and it doesn't lean either
> way. If it's political to try to keep hormone and antibiotic infused
> animals off the meat counter, then I'm political, If it is political to
> require testing for incurable diseases that can be transferred to humans
> then I am political. If it is political to keep deadly plastics out of
> milk, yeah, that too.

Yes, you are political. We all should be. My wife is a politician.
She has been on the local school board for the last 18 years. It's a
non-partisan office. She isn't "right" or "left", she is looking out
for the interests of the kids. We have a city council in my city.
That's also a non-partisan office. It's a little clearer where those
folks stand on the right/left line, because of the decisions they make.

So yes, Slow Food is political, but I don't think they can or should be
placed as right or left.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio >

Slow food uses political actions to ensure a safe food supply. I back those
actions, and so does my daughter.

On 2011-05-19, Giusi > wrote:

> Slow food uses political actions to ensure a safe food supply. I back those
> actions, and so does my daughter.

You wanna political cause worth fighting for?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGd9D4J0lag

nb

In article >, says...
>
> "J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio >
>
> Slow food uses political actions to ensure a safe food supply. I back those
> actions, and so does my daughter.

Well, then there's no problem.

Giusi > wrote:
>
>"J. Clarke" > ha scritto nel messaggio news
>
>> They're trying to change society to suit their vision. That is >
>> politics.
>
>I have quite a bit if experience with Slow Food, and it doesn't lean either
>way. If it's political to try to keep hormone and antibiotic infused
>animals off the meat counter, then I'm political, If it is political to
>require testing for incurable diseases that can be transferred to humans
>then I am political. If it is political to keep deadly plastics out of
>milk, yeah, that too.
>
>There has to be another side to balance Monsanto. If you want to live in a
>world where you haven't got a clue what's in that food you just bought,
>you'd better start your own country. Even if many on this newsgroup don't
>think it's their responsibility to keep food safe, they get upset when they
>find out someone has been stiffing them or endangering their health.
>Someone has to draw a line. Shouldn't it be the consumers? The FDA has let
>us down and that's just one country anyway.

Italian farmers I've talked to describe Slow Food not as political, but
more as an unofficial part of the bureaucracy. To get EU funding
for making traditional products it helps to get the nod from Slow Food.
In this sense they're akin to the National Trust in the U.K. --
a quasi-governmental enforcer of traditions (but probably not yet as
powerful as the NT).

Yes, you do need something counterbalancing Monsanto.

Steve

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> So yes, Slow Food is political, but I don't think they can or should be
> placed as right or left.

Can and should be are too completely different issues. I think certain
political issues "should be" independent of the political spectrum du
jour. That does not mean they actually are independent of the political
spectrum du jour.

Consider the environmentalism movement in the US. It was founded by
hunters and it was called conservationist and it was not well known
except in families with a hunting tradition. Then it started to become
well known and many other folks moved in and started working the topic.
Now it is tied in with a ton of other political issues because of who is
active on the topic. It's not local chapters having meetings that look
like Ducks Unlimited any more.

The same can happen to any other specific focus political issue.

On Thu, 19 May 2011 13:37:48 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> When we were first married, I made a bunch of cookies and fruit cakes
>and quick breads to mail to our friends and family for Christmas. One
>of the friends had (along with her family) helped us a lot with wedding
>preparations and transportation for the wedding. She was the eldest of
>seven children. So, I asked if anyone didn't like anything, so I could
>avoid sending that. She said she didn't really know, because they
>pretty much just ate whatever was there as fast as they could to make
>sure they got some.
>
> Maybe it's just a statement that our children know there is more than
>enough to eat or something like that.
>
>Regards,
>Ranee

When I hear someone say that they, as a child, had to eat what was
presented at the supper table, very fast, to avoid not having enough
to eat, I think it's more the parents who allow that type of eating,
then the situation.

My Mother would not allow what she considered rude behavior by us
children at the table or anywhere else.

As small children, while we were learning our manners, if she observed
us eating like starving children in the gutters, she would say "Slow
down or remove yourself from the table and I'll serve you with the dog
who eats like that because it hasn't the intelligence to know that
there is enough for each of us at this meal.

Our plates were served by my Father at the head of the table and
everyone got the same thing in the same amounts. We either ate it
then, while it was hot and nice at the table or we had it cold from
the refrigerator the next morning as breakfast. If we were sick, then
we were excused from the table for that meal. Food was not wasted in
our house and no one had made up "allergies" to things they did not
like the flavor of.

The Boarders and any guests also were served by my Father. If someone
didn't like an item or said they had allergies to it, my Mother would
note that on her kitchen records and never serve that item to that
person again, since they were paying to live there.

I've mentioned here that I learned to cook after eating my wonderful
Mothers meals for my entire life. Bless her heart, I loved her with
all of my heart, but she could burn water. She tried, but simply
didn't have any training in the kitchen. Some of her meals were pretty
awful, but we ate them. All of them. Dad's belt was there for any of
us children who dared to say anything rude to her about her efforts.

We didn't get beaten with the belt often. We didn't need to be. I got
it once from Dad for speaking rudely to my Mother and once from Mom
when I lied and she recognized it for what it was. From lack of
practice, I was terrible at lying. All of us kids were. It was the
worst crime you could be found doing in my house. It still is.

In article
>,
Ranée at Arabian Knits > wrote:

> In article >,
> Cheryl > wrote:
>
> > On 5/17/2011 7:54 PM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> >
> > > LOL! You'd think that would be how our children were, eat it up
> > > before it runs out, but they take their leisure at each meal. You'd
> > > never know they came from such a large family.
> > >
> > My ex husband was the oldest of 13 kids! He said they literally did
> > have to eat fast to get enough.

> Maybe it's just a statement that our children know there is more than
> enough to eat or something like that.

Something like that. When I first read what you wrote above, it passed
through my mind that your children must know that there is not only
enough food for everybody, but that it was cooked, served and eaten with
love.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

J. Clarke > wrote:

>In article >, says...

>> Ranee at Arabian Knits > wrote:
>>
>> > "J. Clarke" > wrote:
>>
>> >> "Slow Food" seems to be some kind of political organization.

>> I see no evidence of Slow Food having a political slant.
>
>They're trying to change society to suit their vision. That is
>politics.

The opposite is true -- they're tring to keep (some aspects of)
society from changing, rather than letting them die out.

>> I have however seen CAMRA come down on the side of being rightist
>> (they oppose immigration, thinking it will destroy traditional beer).
>> Possibly some slow food thinking is along the same lines, but
>> in Europe I see many self-identified socialists signed up with
>> Slow Food. Possibly the rightists outnumber them somewhat.

>I don't understand your point. Nobody asserted that it was a "leftist"
>or a "rightist" organization. If it can get both sides to support its
>agenda it stands a greater chance of success than if it aligns with a
>"side".

My point was that while I largely disagree with Ranee that "slow food
is political", CAMRA is an organization that is (at least vaguely)
on the slow food spectrum and some of those aligned with it tie
it in with their politics.

IOW I was out of politeness pointing out a small area where I
actually agree with Ranee. Perhaps I should not have bothered.
Politeness never gets one very far around here...

Steve

"Steve Pope" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Politeness never gets one very far around here...
>
> Steve

I keep wondering why nitpickers congregate here and work at unraveling
honest posts. Once well into it, any number of them will happily call you
names or fly off into personal insults. OTH I was upbraided for using the
word whine, so maybe the bar is being raised?

Steve Pope wrote:

> Italian farmers I've talked to describe Slow Food not as political,
> but more as an unofficial part of the bureaucracy. To get EU funding
> for making traditional products it helps to get the nod from Slow
> Food.

No, what really helps in getting EU funding is getting a DOP labeling for
their main product. Slow Food just produces information about particular
products which risk to disappear, tries to inform the people about these
products thus creating a market for them. SF has been a great help for some
products and a very little help for others. Once a winemaker who made
rossese, a relatively unknown wine, welcomed a friend who is into SF saying
"Your 'sentinels' do not help us producers". Others products exist almost
only thenks to SF and the producers are really grateful for this.

> In this sense they're akin to the National Trust in the U.K. --
> a quasi-governmental enforcer of traditions (but probably not yet as
> powerful as the NT).
>
> Yes, you do need something counterbalancing Monsanto.

Very true, and that's just what they do by informing people of these little
treasures on this planet, from animal varieties to edible vegetables to
cold-cuts and cheeses... The few things that SF asks to the government here
in Italy usually relate to more informative food labeling, and I agree with
them.
--
ViLco
Let the liquor do the thinking