On May 12, 3:22*am, "big fish" > wrote:
Snip...
> I just need a little help in figuring out how to cook other food items in
> it. Anyone here have experience in cooking in a convection oven?
Whatever you bake or roast in a common household oven can be done the
same way in a Convection Oven, though quicker and sometimes at a
slightly lower temperature. I use my convection oven for anything I
bake or roast that will fit in it. I only use my "standard" gas oven
for baking or roasting something that either takes longer than the
CvOv allows on its timer, or when the baking/roasting pan won't fit
the CvOv smaller size.
....Picky

On 5/12/2011 6:47 AM, JeanineAlyse wrote:
> On May 12, 3:22 am, "big > wrote:
> Snip...
>> I just need a little help in figuring out how to cook other food items in
>> it. Anyone here have experience in cooking in a convection oven?
> Whatever you bake or roast in a common household oven can be done the
> same way in a Convection Oven, though quicker and sometimes at a
> slightly lower temperature. I use my convection oven for anything I
> bake or roast that will fit in it. I only use my "standard" gas oven
> for baking or roasting something that either takes longer than the
> CvOv allows on its timer, or when the baking/roasting pan won't fit
> the CvOv smaller size.
> ...Picky

I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a fan
to be able to cook evenly.

Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one I've
seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much
blow it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.

that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very quiet,
last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45 mins,
and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we put
diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce along
with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs, cooked
for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for normal
people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been fine,

Lee
"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/12/2011 6:47 AM, JeanineAlyse wrote:
>> On May 12, 3:22 am, "big > wrote:
>> Snip...
>>> I just need a little help in figuring out how to cook other food items
>>> in
>>> it. Anyone here have experience in cooking in a convection oven?
>> Whatever you bake or roast in a common household oven can be done the
>> same way in a Convection Oven, though quicker and sometimes at a
>> slightly lower temperature. I use my convection oven for anything I
>> bake or roast that will fit in it. I only use my "standard" gas oven
>> for baking or roasting something that either takes longer than the
>> CvOv allows on its timer, or when the baking/roasting pan won't fit
>> the CvOv smaller size.
>> ...Picky
>
> I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
> never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
> unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
> toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a fan
> to be able to cook evenly.
>
> Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one I've
> seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much blow
> it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> On 5/12/2011 6:47 AM, JeanineAlyse wrote:
> > On May 12, 3:22 am, "big > wrote:
> > Snip...
> >> I just need a little help in figuring out how to cook other food items in
> >> it. Anyone here have experience in cooking in a convection oven?
> > Whatever you bake or roast in a common household oven can be done the
> > same way in a Convection Oven, though quicker and sometimes at a
> > slightly lower temperature. I use my convection oven for anything I
> > bake or roast that will fit in it. I only use my "standard" gas oven
> > for baking or roasting something that either takes longer than the
> > CvOv allows on its timer, or when the baking/roasting pan won't fit
> > the CvOv smaller size.
> > ...Picky
>
> I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
> never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
> unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
> toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a fan
> to be able to cook evenly.
>
> Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one I've
> seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much
> blow it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.

We go to a church camp every summer. For the last several years, my
wife has been the camp baker. They have two stoves, a double with two
commercial ovens and 12 top burners, and a single (same brand). One of
the ovens in the double is convection. She always goes for that one.
It holds a lot more, and cooks about 15 minutes faster. It cooks at a
lower temperature, but she doesn't care much about that. With the other
ovens, she usually has to rotate and move the pans half way through the
baking. With the convection oven, just flip the switch, not the pans!

The fan is very quiet. You can only tell it's on by looking at the
toggle switch. The kitchen is often very noisy, though.

There are usually 130 people at the camp, so dessert is often two full
size pans, plus a baby pan for the vegans.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 5/13/2011 7:24 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>> I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
>> never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
>> unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
>> toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a fan
>> to be able to cook evenly.
>>
>> Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one I've
>> seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much
>> blow it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.
>
> Mine is very quiet.
> I use the same time and temperature for it that I do for anything else
> I've ever baked in a regular electric oven. Results are most excellent
> and it's easy to keep clean.
>
> Mine is large enough to comfortably hold a 5 lb. chicken.
>
> Oster Brand.

Most convection ovens are quiet. The one that I had was a large table
top model. It was great to be able to actually cook food in such a small
oven. I used it for a short while because our regular oven was not
functioning. Once we fixed the oven, it was deemed too big to keep. If
you have the counterspace, it's an efficient and fast alternative to a
standard oven.

OTOH The clear plastic ones with a blow dryer type heating unit on the
top are pretty noisy. Well, the ones that I've heard anyway.

On 5/14/2011 4:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very quiet,
> last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45 mins,
> and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we put
> diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce along
> with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs, cooked
> for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for normal
> people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been fine,
>

It's good to hear that the new ones are quiet. My guess is that you're
saving a substantial amount of energy by using this unit.

On 5/14/2011 5:41 AM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2011 6:47 AM, JeanineAlyse wrote:
>>> On May 12, 3:22 am, "big > wrote:
>>> Snip...
>>>> I just need a little help in figuring out how to cook other food items in
>>>> it. Anyone here have experience in cooking in a convection oven?
>>> Whatever you bake or roast in a common household oven can be done the
>>> same way in a Convection Oven, though quicker and sometimes at a
>>> slightly lower temperature. I use my convection oven for anything I
>>> bake or roast that will fit in it. I only use my "standard" gas oven
>>> for baking or roasting something that either takes longer than the
>>> CvOv allows on its timer, or when the baking/roasting pan won't fit
>>> the CvOv smaller size.
>>> ...Picky
>>
>> I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
>> never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
>> unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
>> toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a fan
>> to be able to cook evenly.
>>
>> Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one I've
>> seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much
>> blow it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.
>
> We go to a church camp every summer. For the last several years, my
> wife has been the camp baker. They have two stoves, a double with two
> commercial ovens and 12 top burners, and a single (same brand). One of
> the ovens in the double is convection. She always goes for that one.
> It holds a lot more, and cooks about 15 minutes faster. It cooks at a
> lower temperature, but she doesn't care much about that. With the other
> ovens, she usually has to rotate and move the pans half way through the
> baking. With the convection oven, just flip the switch, not the pans!
>
> The fan is very quiet. You can only tell it's on by looking at the
> toggle switch. The kitchen is often very noisy, though.
>
> There are usually 130 people at the camp, so dessert is often two full
> size pans, plus a baby pan for the vegans.
>

I can imagine that there would be a problem with keeping the heat
flowing evenly in the oven when cooking for such a large group. A
convection fan would be pretty handy. I'm glad that I don't have to cook
in such a setting but your wife must find it gratifying.

i am glad to read this about this type of oven, we were going to get built
in double ovens but decided against it because of replacement issues, a
table top would be easier to replace, and since we rarely need to ovens, the
stove oven will be used onlu when we have company or do a large turkey... i
haven't heard any covection ovens beyond our new wave, which is quite soft
and if you arem't very near it you don't know it was running until it beeps,
Lee


"dsi1" > wrote in message
. com...
> On 5/13/2011 7:24 PM, Omelet wrote:
>> In >,
>> > wrote:
>>> I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
>>> never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
>>> unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
>>> toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a fan
>>> to be able to cook evenly.
>>>
>>> Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one I've
>>> seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much
>>> blow it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.
>>
>> Mine is very quiet.
>> I use the same time and temperature for it that I do for anything else
>> I've ever baked in a regular electric oven. Results are most excellent
>> and it's easy to keep clean.
>>
>> Mine is large enough to comfortably hold a 5 lb. chicken.
>>
>> Oster Brand.
>
> Most convection ovens are quiet. The one that I had was a large table top
> model. It was great to be able to actually cook food in such a small oven.
> I used it for a short while because our regular oven was not functioning.
> Once we fixed the oven, it was deemed too big to keep. If you have the
> counterspace, it's an efficient and fast alternative to a standard oven.
>
> OTOH The clear plastic ones with a blow dryer type heating unit on the top
> are pretty noisy. Well, the ones that I've heard anyway.

we are still at the hotel and it doesn't have a regular oven, the DH likes
this because he sits it on the breakfast bar to operate it and he can see
all sides of the food as it is cooking, i am sure you are right that it uses
very little energy but it really does a nice job on amy food that needs oven
crisping, it is particularily nice on things like egg rolls, oven fries and
any meat... also does good on crisps an filo dough products.

Lee
"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/14/2011 4:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very
>> quiet,
>> last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45
>> mins,
>> and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we
>> put
>> diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce along
>> with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs,
>> cooked
>> for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for
>> normal
>> people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been fine,
>>
>
> It's good to hear that the new ones are quiet. My guess is that you're
> saving a substantial amount of energy by using this unit.

On May 14, 11:11*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> we are still at the hotel and it doesn't have a regular oven, the DH likes
> this because he sits it on the breakfast bar to operate it and he can see
> all sides of the food as it is cooking, i am sure you are right that it uses
> very little energy but it really does a nice job on amy food that needs oven
> crisping, it is particularily nice on things like egg rolls, oven fries and
> any meat... also does good on crisps an filo dough products.
>
> Lee"dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 5/14/2011 4:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> >> that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very
> >> quiet,
> >> last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45
> >> mins,
> >> and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we
> >> put
> >> diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce along
> >> with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs,
> >> cooked
> >> for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for
> >> normal
> >> people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been fine,
>
> > It's good to hear that the new ones are quiet. My guess is that you're
> > saving a substantial amount of energy by using this unit.

Sounds like the perfect set up for a hotel. You can have your chicken
and roast it too!

and ps, i forgot to ask you which one you had then got rid of? Lee still
shopping

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
>i am glad to read this about this type of oven, we were going to get built
>in double ovens but decided against it because of replacement issues, a
>table top would be easier to replace, and since we rarely need to ovens,
>the stove oven will be used onlu when we have company or do a large
>turkey... i haven't heard any covection ovens beyond our new wave, which is
>quite soft and if you arem't very near it you don't know it was running
>until it beeps, Lee
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> On 5/13/2011 7:24 PM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In >,
>>> > wrote:
>>>> I have a regular electric oven with a convection setting although I've
>>>> never used it. I've never had an experience where food cooks/bakes
>>>> unevenly. We had a small convection oven that was sort of like a big
>>>> toaster oven that worked pretty good. That small sized oven needed a
>>>> fan
>>>> to be able to cook evenly.
>>>>
>>>> Those plastic convection ovens are probably a good idea but the one
>>>> I've
>>>> seen are almost as noisy as a vacuum cleaner. That would pretty much
>>>> blow it for me. Ha ha, I made a pun.
>>>
>>> Mine is very quiet.
>>> I use the same time and temperature for it that I do for anything else
>>> I've ever baked in a regular electric oven. Results are most excellent
>>> and it's easy to keep clean.
>>>
>>> Mine is large enough to comfortably hold a 5 lb. chicken.
>>>
>>> Oster Brand.
>>
>> Most convection ovens are quiet. The one that I had was a large table top
>> model. It was great to be able to actually cook food in such a small
>> oven. I used it for a short while because our regular oven was not
>> functioning. Once we fixed the oven, it was deemed too big to keep. If
>> you have the counterspace, it's an efficient and fast alternative to a
>> standard oven.
>>
>> OTOH The clear plastic ones with a blow dryer type heating unit on the
>> top are pretty noisy. Well, the ones that I've heard anyway.
>
>

if i travelled a lot, and did it in a car/van and stayed in a lot of hotels
i would either get one of these or something similar... with the expander
ring you can stick in a 9 by 9 pan that is 13 inches on the diagonal...
works a treat... Lee


"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On May 14, 11:11 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> we are still at the hotel and it doesn't have a regular oven, the DH likes
> this because he sits it on the breakfast bar to operate it and he can see
> all sides of the food as it is cooking, i am sure you are right that it
> uses
> very little energy but it really does a nice job on amy food that needs
> oven
> crisping, it is particularily nice on things like egg rolls, oven fries
> and
> any meat... also does good on crisps an filo dough products.
>
> Lee"dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 5/14/2011 4:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> >> that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very
> >> quiet,
> >> last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45
> >> mins,
> >> and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we
> >> put
> >> diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce
> >> along
> >> with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs,
> >> cooked
> >> for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for
> >> normal
> >> people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been
> >> fine,
>
> > It's good to hear that the new ones are quiet. My guess is that you're
> > saving a substantial amount of energy by using this unit.

Sounds like the perfect set up for a hotel. You can have your chicken
and roast it too!

i think this has a setting to turn off the convection... but i am not sure
and neither of us have ever thought it was needed, lol...

bbq, i am so desperate for ribs, the DH actually brought home something
that is either gonna be really good or an obimination from costco
saturday... its a full rack of ribs, fully cooked in kryovac, sp? kinda
scarey but i am getting desperate. Lee


"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very
>> quiet,
>> last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45
>> mins,
>> and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we
>> put
>> diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce along
>> with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs,
>> cooked
>> for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for
>> normal
>> people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been fine,
>>
>> Lee
>
> My Oster Toaser/Convection oven has an actual convection setting.
> The fan is so quiet, I have to stand there a moment to listen to it to
> make sure the fan came on... There are a half-dozen other settings.
>
> Do I highly recommend this oven? YES! It has a removable crumb tray
> that I keep covered with foil for easy cleaning, a regular baking rack
> and a drip pan with it's own rack that I use most of the time.
>
> Best of all, it was found at Target on close-out. Original price was
> $79.95 and I purchased it for $59.95.
>
> I is now the MOST USED kitchen gadget, used almost on a daily basis for
> a number of things.
>
> I use it more than I do the microwave. ;-) It's nice to once again have
> crispy chicken skin without having to fire up the pit, altho' that is in
> the plans for tomorrow to cook a rack of pork spares and a couple of
> chickens that were marked down to $.69 per lb. I'll likely either
> spatchcock them or halve them. Have not decided yet.
>
> Corn on the cob is down to 4 for $1.00 now that it is in season.
> Unfortunately, Asparagus did NOT come down for in season harvest so I
> missed it. <sighs> I'll blanch and freeze when it goes low.
>
> Happy BBQ to all! :-)
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

my motto is save where you can so you can spend where you want... I hate
waste of any kind... food, storage space for useless things, or my time...

as to the stove removal... that depends on how long you plan to live there?
if you intend to die there do it... you might think where you can put a
stove if you decide to sell in future and remodel with that in mind, Lee


"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/2011 4:18 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> > that is one of the big pluses to the new wave oven we have, its very
>> > quiet,
>> > last night dh roasted 3 rather large turkey legs, he started with 45
>> > mins,
>> > and then five mins at a time until it suited him...night before last we
>> > put
>> > diced hot peppers of varying kinds, diced onion and some hot sauce
>> > along
>> > with a can of diced tomatoes in a 9x9 pan along with 8 chickn legs,
>> > cooked
>> > for fourty mins, could have done with a few more mins for me but for
>> > normal
>> > people who don't want their chicken almost burnt it would have been
>> > fine,
>> >
>>
>> It's good to hear that the new ones are quiet. My guess is that you're
>> saving a substantial amount of energy by using this unit.
>
> My summer utility bills have dropped from $500.00 on average to just
> under $300.00. Mind you, that is a combined bill for water, power,
> trash pickup and sewage (wastewater) and wastewater is calculated based
> on water usage.
>
> I credit that reduction to the use of plugin appliances, more frequent
> use of the pit (which is free due to the overabundance of deadfall wood
> from trees on my property) and my personal control of the house
> thermostat by having the hallway one disconnected and left as a dummy,
> while the real one is "hidden" on the opposite wall.
>
> Gardening is all being done in very large pots WITH bottoms to conserve
> water.
>
> The power bill really has gone down since the stove died and I am still
> cooking on all plug in appliances.
>
> Conservation of funds is a good thing. ;-)
>
> And I have, more than once, cooked a Thanksgiving feast on plug in
> appliances. I'm debating sending the stove to Green Guy recycling,
> turning that spot into counter and cabinet space and giving up on having
> a real stove permanently... I would tile that counter space for fire
> safety reasons for the hotter appliances like hot plates and the
> convection oven.
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

most of the quality of costco is decent to exccellent, just the kryo is a
bit creeepy...

might have to be baked potatoes hadn't even gotten that far... i do have
krinkle fries in the freezer and they aren't salted, maybe those... have
some baked beans and i think green beans also, Lee


"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> i think this has a setting to turn off the convection... but i am not
>> sure
>> and neither of us have ever thought it was needed, lol...
>
> All settings on this oven have the convection "off" except for the
> convection setting. It's a combo toaster oven/convection oven.
>
>>
>> bbq, i am so desperate for ribs, the DH actually brought home
>> something
>> that is either gonna be really good or an obimination from costco
>> saturday... its a full rack of ribs, fully cooked in kryovac, sp? kinda
>> scarey but i am getting desperate. Lee
>
> Pre-cooked stuff from our local HEB is generally pretty good. Just
> re-heat it in the toaster oven to crisp it a bit, but be prepared for it
> to be a bit salty. Serve an unsalted potato dish with it maybe?
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

then if the hoold is staying, go look at the ikea site... i think, hope
memory is working... we saw a movable counter that was either tiled or
granite, i think it was billed as a bread counter, but am not sure... if you
could get something like that then if you canged your mind you could just
move it and install said stove.

Lee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> my motto is save where you can so you can spend where you want... I hate
>> waste of any kind... food, storage space for useless things, or my
>> time...
>>
>> as to the stove removal... that depends on how long you plan to live
>> there?
>> if you intend to die there do it... you might think where you can put a
>> stove if you decide to sell in future and remodel with that in mind, Lee
>
> I have no intention of selling or moving at this time. <g> The plug and
> hood would stay put so replacing a stove in that spot would not be a big
> issue.
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> my motto is save where you can so you can spend where you want... I hate
>> waste of any kind... food, storage space for useless things, or my time...
>>
>> as to the stove removal... that depends on how long you plan to live there?
>> if you intend to die there do it... you might think where you can put a
>> stove if you decide to sell in future and remodel with that in mind, Lee
>
> I have no intention of selling or moving at this time. <g> The plug and
> hood would stay put so replacing a stove in that spot would not be a big
> issue.

Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:21:33 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
> Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.

It makes sense for rentals. Owners can live how they want and when
they sell either they sell with a complete kitchen or open up a
negotiating point big enough to drive a truck through... especially in
this economy.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:13:37 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:21:33 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
>> Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.
>
>It makes sense for rentals. Owners can live how they want and when
>they sell either they sell with a complete kitchen or open up a
>negotiating point big enough to drive a truck through... especially in
>this economy.

Items required to be present for a CO can't be negotiated during a
sale... in every municipality I know of a residence must have an
functioning stove and sink in the kitchen... some don't require a
fridge.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 15:28:31 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:13:37 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:21:33 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
> >
> >> Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
> >> Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.
> >
> >It makes sense for rentals. Owners can live how they want and when
> >they sell either they sell with a complete kitchen or open up a
> >negotiating point big enough to drive a truck through... especially in
> >this economy.
>
> Items required to be present for a CO can't be negotiated during a
> sale... in every municipality I know of a residence must have an
> functioning stove and sink in the kitchen... some don't require a
> fridge.

You're talking about rentals? In my part of the country, the entire
house can be a nonfunctional wreck but it can be sold anyway.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:41:47 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2011 15:28:31 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:13:37 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:21:33 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
>> >> Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.
>> >
>> >It makes sense for rentals. Owners can live how they want and when
>> >they sell either they sell with a complete kitchen or open up a
>> >negotiating point big enough to drive a truck through... especially in
>> >this economy.
>>
>> Items required to be present for a CO can't be negotiated during a
>> sale... in every municipality I know of a residence must have an
>> functioning stove and sink in the kitchen... some don't require a
>> fridge.
>
>You're talking about rentals? In my part of the country, the entire
>house can be a nonfunctional wreck but it can be sold anyway.

No it cannot be sold, the municipality would condemn that property.
It can be sold and go to contract but title can't be transfered... it
would need to be sold as vacant land, rezoned and reassessed for tax
purposes... the municipality would insist that the uninhabital
structure be removed for safety reasons, or apply for permits to bring
it back to code before title is transfered. Trashed houses are sold
all time but with contingencies, they first need to be brought back to
code within a certain period of time, or removed from the property.
Often people die and when the heirs go to sell it it's found to be in
such disrepair that it cannot be rehabed, it needs to be demolished
and removed... what do you think happens when a house burns down... if
the owner hasn't the funds to clean the property and/or rebuild the
town siezes the property, takes bids to remove the rubble, and the
property is auctioned, a very common occurance... there are realtors
that specialize in the area of condemned properties and/or non payment
of taxes. I follow their web site listings. There are hundreds of
properties in every county in the US that are auctioned periodically,
one can subscribe to receive the listings, I do.
http://www.nysauctionsbids.com/

they are heated in the nuker but get most mushy, they will get on the rack
of the new wave, about eight mins from frozen to plate. Lee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> most of the quality of costco is decent to exccellent, just the kryo is a
>> bit creeepy...
>>
>> might have to be baked potatoes hadn't even gotten that far... i do have
>> krinkle fries in the freezer and they aren't salted, maybe those... have
>> some baked beans and i think green beans also, Lee
>
> Hm, I only worry about using the toaster oven for stuff that would be
> ruined texture-wise in the microwave. Otherwise I nuke most pre-cooked
> food to warm it.
>
> The breaded fish fillets I purchase for dad for instance would come out
> soggy if I nuked them. They come out nice and crisp in the toaster oven
> and I use the drip rack for them. A surprising amount of grease (that
> he does not need) cooks out of them too!
>
> I imagine that krinkle cut potatoes would come out far better in the
> toaster oven. <g> I doubt that nuking those would work at all!
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:05:30 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:41:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 16 May 2011 15:28:31 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:13:37 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:21:33 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
> >> >> Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.
> >> >
> >> >It makes sense for rentals. Owners can live how they want and when
> >> >they sell either they sell with a complete kitchen or open up a
> >> >negotiating point big enough to drive a truck through... especially in
> >> >this economy.
> >>
> >> Items required to be present for a CO can't be negotiated during a
> >> sale... in every municipality I know of a residence must have an
> >> functioning stove and sink in the kitchen... some don't require a
> >> fridge.
> >
> >You're talking about rentals? In my part of the country, the entire
> >house can be a nonfunctional wreck but it can be sold anyway.
>
> No it cannot be sold, the municipality would condemn that property.
> It can be sold and go to contract but title can't be transfered... it
> would need to be sold as vacant land, rezoned and reassessed for tax
> purposes... the municipality would insist that the uninhabital
> structure be removed for safety reasons, or apply for permits to bring
> it back to code before title is transfered. Trashed houses are sold
> all time but with contingencies, they first need to be brought back to
> code within a certain period of time, or removed from the property.
> Often people die and when the heirs go to sell it it's found to be in
> such disrepair that it cannot be rehabed, it needs to be demolished
> and removed... what do you think happens when a house burns down... if
> the owner hasn't the funds to clean the property and/or rebuild the
> town siezes the property, takes bids to remove the rubble, and the
> property is auctioned, a very common occurance... there are realtors
> that specialize in the area of condemned properties and/or non payment
> of taxes. I follow their web site listings. There are hundreds of
> properties in every county in the US that are auctioned periodically,
> one can subscribe to receive the listings, I do.
> http://www.nysauctionsbids.com/

Those houses can't be rerented until they are brought up to code, but
there is no restriction on the buying and selling of that property.
As far as houses that are uninhabitable, such as abandoned wrecks or
those that have burned, that's an entirely different matter from Om
removing a stove and being able to sell her property without it.
People buy homes without kitchen appliances all the time, so she most
certainly CAN do it. However she will be opening herself up to
selling her house for far less than the cost of reconfiguring her
kitchen back to normal plus the cost of a replacement stove.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 22:55:24 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:05:30 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:41:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 16 May 2011 15:28:31 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:13:37 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:21:33 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Up here, I believe houses that are being sold must have stoves.
>> >> >> Or is that just for rentals? I don't know.
>> >> >
>> >> >It makes sense for rentals. Owners can live how they want and when
>> >> >they sell either they sell with a complete kitchen or open up a
>> >> >negotiating point big enough to drive a truck through... especially in
>> >> >this economy.
>> >>
>> >> Items required to be present for a CO can't be negotiated during a
>> >> sale... in every municipality I know of a residence must have an
>> >> functioning stove and sink in the kitchen... some don't require a
>> >> fridge.
>> >
>> >You're talking about rentals? In my part of the country, the entire
>> >house can be a nonfunctional wreck but it can be sold anyway.
>>
>> No it cannot be sold, the municipality would condemn that property.
>> It can be sold and go to contract but title can't be transfered... it
>> would need to be sold as vacant land, rezoned and reassessed for tax
>> purposes... the municipality would insist that the uninhabital
>> structure be removed for safety reasons, or apply for permits to bring
>> it back to code before title is transfered. Trashed houses are sold
>> all time but with contingencies, they first need to be brought back to
>> code within a certain period of time, or removed from the property.
>> Often people die and when the heirs go to sell it it's found to be in
>> such disrepair that it cannot be rehabed, it needs to be demolished
>> and removed... what do you think happens when a house burns down... if
>> the owner hasn't the funds to clean the property and/or rebuild the
>> town siezes the property, takes bids to remove the rubble, and the
>> property is auctioned, a very common occurance... there are realtors
>> that specialize in the area of condemned properties and/or non payment
>> of taxes. I follow their web site listings. There are hundreds of
>> properties in every county in the US that are auctioned periodically,
>> one can subscribe to receive the listings, I do.
>> http://www.nysauctionsbids.com/
>
>Those houses can't be rerented until they are brought up to code.

It's beginning to seem pretty obvious that sf is a tenant, she keeps
talking in terms of renting.

>but there is no restriction on the buying and selling of that property.

That's not true. Building code enforcement is far more strict for
title transfer than for re-renting... in fact most rentals never get
inspected other than by a prospective tenant, if they don't like
anything they are free to move on and do... for re-renting tenants
move out and tenants move in[period] But just try to sell, the
municipality will inspect it to death. Tenants don't complain over
code infractions unless they have already made up their mind that
they're moving and have witheld rent, because landlords are under no
obligation to keep any tenant, become a PIA and they're goners. It's
very rare that a landlord hasn't the money set aside to proceed with
the eviction process... typically costs less than $750 for an attorney
and takes less than 30 days. It's dumb to allow tenants to withold
rent as blackmail, just get rid of them immediately. Consider the
small loss a cost of doing business, and it is, it's a tax write off.

On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:38:04 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> It's beginning to seem pretty obvious that sf is a tenant, she keeps
> talking in terms of renting.

You brought up renting and the only time a house needs to be in
habitable condition is if you're renting it out. I can buy any piece
of property I want in any condition I'm willing to pay for.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:46:46 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> Ok, the stove stays. ;-) Since it's glass top, it's
> counterspace anyway and I use the oven to store extra pots and pans.
> The stove actually works, it's just that the oven comes on by itself so
> there is an issue with the electronics. I have not yet had it looked
> at to see if repair is less than replacement. The stove is otherwise in
> perfect shape looks wise etc. No dents, cracks, nada. I've kept the
> top polished between cleanings...

You might want to look into putting a surface "you've always wanted"
on top of that glass surface. If you've always wanted a large butcher
block or a marble/granite surface (large scraps are pretty easy to
come by after big installation jobs), this is the perfect time for
that.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:58:31 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> Heh! Good thought, but the entire counter around the sink needs
> replacing even worse. The kitchen gets a complete remodel as soon as I
> have a Mortgage burning party!

You may not know that granite comes prefinished and it's inexpensive.
You can get a 2x8 slab for between $80 and $300, installed price,
although you do have to pay for the plywood reinforcement of your
cabinet top and each cut they make for your sink and stove (which was
$100 the last time I checked).

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 18 May 2011 01:49:17 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> sf,
>
> Quartz is non-porous. A better countertop than granite.
>
> It doesn't need treatment.
>
> Not much price difference between the two.
>
> Looks as good, if not better, in a wide range of colors.
>
> C'mon teach, do your homework!

I did my homework and I didn't find quartz prefinished or at such a
good price.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Andy wrote:
>
>sf,
>
>Ya wanna wrestle? ))
>
>I'll let you win!!!
>
>Can't hurt.
>
>Best,
>
>Andy

Don't tell the mick or he'd want to take on the winner, and he'd
insist that event be sanctioned by the special olympics. hehehe

sf wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:58:31 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> Heh! Good thought, but the entire counter around the sink needs
>> replacing even worse. The kitchen gets a complete remodel as soon as I
>> have a Mortgage burning party!
>
> You may not know that granite comes prefinished and it's inexpensive.
> You can get a 2x8 slab for between $80 and $300, installed price,
> although you do have to pay for the plywood reinforcement of your
> cabinet top and each cut they make for your sink and stove (which was
> $100 the last time I checked).
>
When I was looking at granite, the cheaper options were fairly
limited. Just sayin'. I did go that route for one bathroom
(because that is what the bath design place offered--and also
because I wasn't aware of all of the other options until slightly
after that).

--
Jean B.

On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:40:31 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> When I was looking at granite, the cheaper options were fairly
> limited. Just sayin'. I did go that route for one bathroom
> (because that is what the bath design place offered--and also
> because I wasn't aware of all of the other options until slightly
> after that).

Options are hardly limited around here unless you want to call 20 or
30 choices per vendor limited.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 18 May 2011 11:08:43 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>>
>>sf,
>>
>>Ya wanna wrestle? ))
>>
>>I'll let you win!!!
>>
>>Can't hurt.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Andy
>
> Don't tell the mick or he'd want to take on the winner, and he'd
> insist that event be sanctioned by the special olympics. hehehe

special olympics is for those with intellectual disabilities, like you and
andy, not me.

blake

On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:51:11 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2011 11:08:43 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>>
>>>sf,
>>>
>>>Ya wanna wrestle? ))
>>>
>>>I'll let you win!!!
>>>
>>>Can't hurt.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Andy
>>
>> Don't tell the mick or he'd want to take on the winner, and he'd
>> insist that event be sanctioned by the special olympics. hehehe
>
>special olympics is for those with intellectual disabilities.

See above, dumb mick. LOL-LOL

On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:57:31 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:40:31 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>> > When I was looking at granite, the cheaper options were fairly
>> > limited. Just sayin'. I did go that route for one bathroom
>> > (because that is what the bath design place offered--and also
>> > because I wasn't aware of all of the other options until slightly
>> > after that).
>>
>> Options are hardly limited around here unless you want to call 20 or
>> 30 choices per vendor limited.
>
>One thing I am dying to do is put up a full wall mural on one of the
>livingroom walls... but would mount them first on frames so they could
>be removed for cleaning etc. There was a company in Colorado that had
>some fabulous ones! Anything from moon and starscapes to forests and
>mountains and nude men.

Figures. LOL

On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:55:00 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 18 May 2011 01:49:17 -0500, Andy > wrote:
> >
> > > sf,
> > >
> > > Quartz is non-porous. A better countertop than granite.
> > >
> > > It doesn't need treatment.
> > >
> > > Not much price difference between the two.
> > >
> > > Looks as good, if not better, in a wide range of colors.
> > >
> > > C'mon teach, do your homework!
> >
> > I did my homework and I didn't find quartz prefinished or at such a
> > good price.
>
> There is always Corrion, but I understand it has a bad reputation.

I prefer natural products, but if I wanted to go that route I'd go
with Formica. Their modern designs include animal prints and stone.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:45:09 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:58:31 -0500, Omelet >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Heh! Good thought, but the entire counter around the sink needs
> > > replacing even worse. The kitchen gets a complete remodel as soon as I
> > > have a Mortgage burning party!
> >
> > You may not know that granite comes prefinished and it's inexpensive.
> > You can get a 2x8 slab for between $80 and $300, installed price,
> > although you do have to pay for the plywood reinforcement of your
> > cabinet top and each cut they make for your sink and stove (which was
> > $100 the last time I checked).
>
> I do drool over granite counter tops... <g>
>
> Thanks.

Granite is seriously affordable these days and the value it adds to
your home more than makes up for the expense.
>
> I do, however, plan to keep my double stainless steel sink.

You might want to rethink that. Daughter recently replaced her double
bowl ss sink with a single ss bowl that has the same outside
dimensions and it feels like a swimming pool. I wish I had the space
for one of those!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

but as one builder told me... its generally cheap enough you can change it
out three or four times for the costs of the rest, especially if you
configure your kitchen with straight edges and few cuts, i liked this as it
means a redo to the kitchen is more often avaialbe, so if we decided to sell
we ould easily freshen it up and sell sooner, Lee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:55:00 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > sf > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 18 May 2011 01:49:17 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > sf,
>> > > >
>> > > > Quartz is non-porous. A better countertop than granite.
>> > > >
>> > > > It doesn't need treatment.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not much price difference between the two.
>> > > >
>> > > > Looks as good, if not better, in a wide range of colors.
>> > > >
>> > > > C'mon teach, do your homework!
>> > >
>> > > I did my homework and I didn't find quartz prefinished or at such a
>> > > good price.
>> >
>> > There is always Corrion, but I understand it has a bad reputation.
>>
>> I prefer natural products, but if I wanted to go that route I'd go
>> with Formica. Their modern designs include animal prints and stone.
>
> The issue with Formica (which I have) is that it's easily damaged...
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

we decided against granite, chips to easily at the d/w exit point, also to
easy to break things on them. Leee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:58:31 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Heh! Good thought, but the entire counter around the sink needs
>> > replacing even worse. The kitchen gets a complete remodel as soon as I
>> > have a Mortgage burning party!
>>
>> You may not know that granite comes prefinished and it's inexpensive.
>> You can get a 2x8 slab for between $80 and $300, installed price,
>> although you do have to pay for the plywood reinforcement of your
>> cabinet top and each cut they make for your sink and stove (which was
>> $100 the last time I checked).
>
> I do drool over granite counter tops... <g>
>
> Thanks.
>
> I do, however, plan to keep my double stainless steel sink.
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

after checking the options it will be a single ss bowl, it will hold a half
sheet pan flat. Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:45:09 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:58:31 -0500, Omelet >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Heh! Good thought, but the entire counter around the sink needs
>> > > replacing even worse. The kitchen gets a complete remodel as soon as
>> > > I
>> > > have a Mortgage burning party!
>> >
>> > You may not know that granite comes prefinished and it's inexpensive.
>> > You can get a 2x8 slab for between $80 and $300, installed price,
>> > although you do have to pay for the plywood reinforcement of your
>> > cabinet top and each cut they make for your sink and stove (which was
>> > $100 the last time I checked).
>>
>> I do drool over granite counter tops... <g>
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Granite is seriously affordable these days and the value it adds to
> your home more than makes up for the expense.
>>
>> I do, however, plan to keep my double stainless steel sink.
>
> You might want to rethink that. Daughter recently replaced her double
> bowl ss sink with a single ss bowl that has the same outside
> dimensions and it feels like a swimming pool. I wish I had the space
> for one of those!
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.

and something that all builders and contractors have advised very strongly
is to NOT do anything with the idea it will increase the value of your home
for resale, they say this is something that many remodler types have put
into people's heads to up sell them... if you intend to actually live in
your home whatever you install is used when you are selling it... just a
thing to consider, Lee
"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 15:45:09 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > sf > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:58:31 -0500, Omelet >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Heh! Good thought, but the entire counter around the sink needs
>> > > > replacing even worse. The kitchen gets a complete remodel as soon
>> > > > as I
>> > > > have a Mortgage burning party!
>> > >
>> > > You may not know that granite comes prefinished and it's inexpensive.
>> > > You can get a 2x8 slab for between $80 and $300, installed price,
>> > > although you do have to pay for the plywood reinforcement of your
>> > > cabinet top and each cut they make for your sink and stove (which was
>> > > $100 the last time I checked).
>> >
>> > I do drool over granite counter tops... <g>
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>>
>> Granite is seriously affordable these days and the value it adds to
>> your home more than makes up for the expense.
>
> I want it in the bathroom too. <g>
>
>> >
>> > I do, however, plan to keep my double stainless steel sink.
>>
>> You might want to rethink that. Daughter recently replaced her double
>> bowl ss sink with a single ss bowl that has the same outside
>> dimensions and it feels like a swimming pool. I wish I had the space
>> for one of those!
>
> I like having two sinks! I see your point but remember, I don't have
> nor am I plumbed for a dishwasher. I need the second sink and they are
> both the same size, and rather large. I've not measured them but a
> rough guestimate is probably 18" x 18" each. :-) Stainless is easy to
> keep clean and there are no risks of chips or anything like with enamel
> sinks.
>
> Right now the bathroom sink is fake marble and shell shaped. It's
> lovely but I really wish I could switch out to all black instead of all
> beige. The sink and shower stall are beige while the commode is white.
> All the tiling is pale green with a dark marbled green linoleum floor.
>
> The kitchen floor is wood grain linoleum like the rest of the house but
> it's cheap linoleum that is easily damaged. <sighs>I goofed on that one
> and bought what was on sale. Fortunately, it is tiled linoleum and I
> have been able to easily replace a damaged tile in just a few minutes as
> I purchased extra so I'd not have to worry about finding the same color
> lot number at a later date.
>
> Sheet linoleum is a bad idea. Once damaged, it's a LOT more difficult
> to repair.
> --
> Peace, Om
> Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
>
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain