On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 09:52:56 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
>>> My wife and I were walking in Chinatown in San Francisco some years
>>> ago, and ran into a vegetarian kosher Chinese restaurant. We
>>> thought that was pretty unusual. I guess not.
>>
>> new york city has a fair number as well. but d.c. (as far as i know)
>> does not.
>
>I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman so we were only able
>to eat with her a couple of times. Once we went to a kosher
>chinese restaurant (the 'spareribs' were beef) and another time
>it was a kosher pizzeria. They made a wicked good vegetable
>pizza. I never would have known of those places existance if it
>wasn't for her.

Any city with a large Jewish population has many such eateries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_restaurant

On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
>> On May 25, 12:36�pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>>>
>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
>>>>> actually
>>>>> doing work at the office? �does your god really need the promotional
>>>>> efforts?
>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>
>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
>>>> politics
>>>> either? �That would make for a boring office. � I don't promote
>>>> decorations,
>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>>
>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? �is
>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>>
>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>>> religion is.
>>>
>>
>>
>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>>
>> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
>> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
>> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
>> nothing to do with Christianity.
>
> Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
> you very much
>
> Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
> coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
> style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
> and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
> America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
> phenomenon.
>
> If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
> --
> JL
The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
trying to kid? The tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
German migrants in the mid 1800s. Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.

Krypsis

On 5/26/2011 9:27 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>>> On May 25, 12:36�pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> doing work at the office? �does your god really need the promotional
>>>>>> efforts?
>>>>
>>>>>> your pal,
>>>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
>>>>> politics
>>>>> either? �That would make for a boring office. � I don't promote
>>>>> decorations,
>>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>>>
>>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? �is
>>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>>>
>>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>>>> religion is.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>>>
>>> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
>>> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
>>> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
>>> nothing to do with Christianity.
>>
>> Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
>> you very much
>>
>> Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
>> coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
>> style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
>> and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
>> America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
>> phenomenon.
>>
>> If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
>> --
>> JL
> The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
> trying to kid? The tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
> German migrants in the mid 1800s. Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
> tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.
>

I seem to remember reading that the Xmas Tree or Tannenbaum was imported
to Britain from Germany and the first one was set up by Prince Albert,
the Prince Consort of Queen Victoria. The Xmas Tree was long used in
Germany. I've seen an engraving of Martin Luther and his family round a
tree.
>
>
>


--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On May 26, 9:41*am, James Silverton >
wrote:
> On 5/26/2011 9:27 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
> >> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> >>> On May 25, 12:36 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> >>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >>>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>
> >>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
> >>>>>> actually
> >>>>>> doing work at the office? does your god really need the promotional
> >>>>>> efforts?
>
> >>>>>> your pal,
> >>>>>> blake
>
> >>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
> >>>>> politics
> >>>>> either? That would make for a boring office. I don't promote
> >>>>> decorations,
> >>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion..
>
> >>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? is
> >>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>
> >>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
> >>>> religion is.
>
> >>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>
> >>> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
> >>> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
> >>> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
> >>> nothing to do with Christianity.
>
> >> Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
> >> you very much
>
> >> Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
> >> coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
> >> style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
> >> and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
> >> America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
> >> phenomenon.
>
> >> If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
> >> --
> >> JL
> > The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
> > trying to kid? The tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
> > German migrants in the mid 1800s. Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
> > tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.
>
> I seem to remember reading that the Xmas Tree or Tannenbaum was imported
> to Britain from Germany and the first one was set up by Prince Albert,
> the Prince Consort of Queen Victoria. The Xmas Tree was long used in
> Germany. I've seen an engraving of Martin Luther and his family round a
> tree.

Was the engraving contemporary? There are paintings of an infant in
the hay of a manger by artists who had never been out of Europe.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can
get.

On 5/26/2011 9:50 AM, Jerry Avins wrote:
> On May 26, 9:41 am, James >
> wrote:
>> On 5/26/2011 9:27 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On May 25, 12:36 pm, blake > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> "blake > wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> doing work at the office? does your god really need the promotional
>>>>>>>> efforts?
>>
>>>>>>>> your pal,
>>>>>>>> blake
>>
>>>>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>> either? That would make for a boring office. I don't promote
>>>>>>> decorations,
>>>>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>
>>>>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? is
>>>>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>
>>>>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>>>>>> religion is.
>>
>>>>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>>
>>>>> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
>>>>> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
>>>>> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
>>>>> nothing to do with Christianity.
>>
>>>> Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
>>>> you very much
>>
>>>> Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
>>>> coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
>>>> style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
>>>> and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
>>>> America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
>>>> phenomenon.
>>
>>>> If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
>>>> --
>>>> JL
>>> The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
>>> trying to kid? The tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
>>> German migrants in the mid 1800s. Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
>>> tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.
>>
>> I seem to remember reading that the Xmas Tree or Tannenbaum was imported
>> to Britain from Germany and the first one was set up by Prince Albert,
>> the Prince Consort of Queen Victoria. The Xmas Tree was long used in
>> Germany. I've seen an engraving of Martin Luther and his family round a
>> tree.
>
> Was the engraving contemporary? There are paintings of an infant in
> the hay of a manger by artists who had never been out of Europe.

I suspect the engraving was later than Luther but there are persistent
legends about Luther's introduction of the tree. However, Latvians seem
to be convinced that the first Xmas tree was set up in Riga at the
beginning of the 16th century and that's about the middle of Luther's life.
--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On May 25, 5:54*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >blake murphy wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 May 2011 09:52:56 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> >>> My wife and I were walking in Chinatown in San Francisco some years
> >>> ago, and ran into a vegetarian kosher Chinese restaurant. *We
> >>> thought that was pretty unusual. *I guess not.
>
> >> new york city has a fair number as well. *but d.c. (as far as i know)
> >> does not.
>
> >I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman so we were only able
> >to eat with her a couple of times. *Once we went to a kosher
> >chinese restaurant (the 'spareribs' were beef) and another time
> >it was a kosher pizzeria. *They made a wicked good vegetable
> >pizza. *I never would have known of those places existance if it
> >wasn't for her.
>
> Any city with a large Jewish population has many such eateries.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_restaurant

No.

I worked with a woman who complained the only hot kosher food around
here were the Best Kosher dogs (RIP) sold at Costco. And we even have
three JCCs. The kosher butcher shop went out of business, so people
either go vegetarian or have a freezerload delivered twice a year.

On May 26, 6:27*am, Krypsis > wrote:
> On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
>
> > spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> >> On May 25, 12:36 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>
> >>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
> >>>>> actually
> >>>>> doing work at the office? does your god really need the promotional
> >>>>> efforts?
>
> >>>>> your pal,
> >>>>> blake
>
> >>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
> >>>> politics
> >>>> either? That would make for a boring office. I don't promote
> >>>> decorations,
> >>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>
> >>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? is
> >>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>
> >>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
> >>> religion is.
>
> >> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>
> >> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
> >> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
> >> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
> >> nothing to do with Christianity.
>
> > Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
> > you very much
>
> > Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
> > coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
> > style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
> > and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
> > America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
> > phenomenon.
>
> > If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
> > --
> > JL
>
> The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
> trying to kid? The tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
> German migrants in the mid 1800s. Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
> tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.

German kids got their presents on St. Nicholas's feast day. The modern
Christmas is an American phenomenon.

Similarly, the origins of Halloween come from Ireland. But the modern
Halloween is fully Americanized. You don't see young women dressed as
sluts on Oct. 31 in Eire.

On 26/05/2011 11:41 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 5/26/2011 9:27 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>> On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 25, 12:36�pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> doing work at the office? �does your god really need the promotional
>>>>>>> efforts?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> your pal,
>>>>>>> blake
>>>>>
>>>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
>>>>>> politics
>>>>>> either? �That would make for a boring office. � I don't promote
>>>>>> decorations,
>>>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>>>>
>>>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations?
>>>>> �is
>>>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>>>>
>>>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>>>>> religion is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>>>>
>>>> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
>>>> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
>>>> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
>>>> nothing to do with Christianity.
>>>
>>> Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
>>> you very much
>>>
>>> Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
>>> coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
>>> style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
>>> and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
>>> America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
>>> phenomenon.
>>>
>>> If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
>>> --
>>> JL
>> The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
>> trying to kid? The tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
>> German migrants in the mid 1800s. Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
>> tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.
>>
>
> I seem to remember reading that the Xmas Tree or Tannenbaum was imported
> to Britain from Germany and the first one was set up by Prince Albert,
> the Prince Consort of Queen Victoria. The Xmas Tree was long used in
> Germany. I've seen an engraving of Martin Luther and his family round a
> tree.

About 1400 according to Wikipedia though I cannot vouch for its fidelity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree

Ob Food: The story of the Christmas cake doesn't go back quite as far.

http://www.christmasarchives.com/christmascake.html

Krypsis

>> On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"

>>> I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman

Oy. I fiddled around with how to phrase (I worked with a woman
who is jewish Orthodox) and nothing looked right so I moved the
words around.

It looks awful the way it wound up. Ooops.

nancy

On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:

> On May 25, 12:36*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>>
>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and actually
>>>> doing work at the office? *does your god really need the promotional
>>>> efforts?
>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>
>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and politics
>>> either? *That would make for a boring office. * I don't promote decorations,
>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>
>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? *is
>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>
>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>> religion is.
>>
>
> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?

actually, i did work for a quasi-government agency (part of the
smithsonian) and a local government.

but yes, i guess private businesses are able to do as they like.

your pal,
blake

On 5/26/2011 2:23 PM, blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
>> On May 25, 12:36 pm, blake > wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> "blake > wrote
>>>
>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and actually
>>>>> doing work at the office? does your god really need the promotional
>>>>> efforts?
>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>
>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and politics
>>>> either? That would make for a boring office. I don't promote decorations,
>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>>
>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? is
>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>>
>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>>> religion is.
>>>
>>
>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>
> actually, i did work for a quasi-government agency (part of the
> smithsonian) and a local government.
>
> but yes, i guess private businesses are able to do as they like.
>

I was not born in the US and I feel there are defects even in the
Constitution and Bill of Rights but "Congress shall make no law..." is
not one of them and that amendment should be incorporated into the
constitutions of all civilized states.

Most of the French definition of Liberty from the Rights of Man (1789)
should also be present. "Liberty consists in the freedom to do
everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural
rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other
members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights."

They'd love those two in Iran, Pakistan and Egypt.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

Krypsis wrote:
> On 26/05/2011 7:04 AM, M. JL Esq. wrote:
>
>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>>> On May 25, 12:36�pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2011 23:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> how about keeping the religious stuff in your home and church and
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> doing work at the office? �does your god really need the promotional
>>>>>> efforts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> your pal,
>>>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Should we never talk about sports, TV shows, cars, vacations, and
>>>>> politics
>>>>> either? �That would make for a boring office. � I don't promote
>>>>> decorations,
>>>>> but I'd not object if others want them, no matter what the occasion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> are the sports discussions as unavoidable as christmas decorations? �is
>>>> work time spent putting up team logos and whatnot?
>>>>
>>>> besides, sports discussions are not covered under the constitution.
>>>> religion is.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Congress, shall make no law." Do you work for the Federal government?
>>>
>>> The Sikhs and Muslims I know put up a Christmas tree, rather than deny
>>> their kids the joy of ripping open boxes one morning like all their
>>> friends. Tree worship is a Druid thing, IIRC -- it certainly has
>>> nothing to do with Christianity.
>>
>>
>> Japan is amazing in that respect, and China is coming along nicely thank
>> you very much
>>
>> Its amusing to me how often a propagandistic derision of America is
>> coupled with an emulation of the cultural phenomena of America, its
>> style, life as well as other qualities, uniquely American are rabidly
>> and almost slavishly adopted in imitation of the iconic status of
>> America in the world and even among those who profess to despise the
>> phenomenon.
>>
>> If America is the great satan it is then also the great tempter
>> --
>> JL
>
> The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
> trying to kid?

No one has commercialized christmas and made its assorted rituals (tree,
fat man in a red suit) as popular as America,

> tradition of Christmas trees was brought to the US by
> German migrants in the mid 1800s.

and even in Europe it on got popular during the Victorian era, 1850's or
so onward.

> Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
> tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.

The Germanic traditions go back even further than that.
--
JL
>
> Krypsis
>
>
>

Nancy Young wrote:

>>> On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>
>
>>>> I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman
>
>
> Oy. I fiddled around with how to phrase (I worked with a woman
> who is jewish Orthodox) and nothing looked right so I moved the
> words around.
> It looks awful the way it wound up. Ooops.
>
> nancy

Ever hear about the shabbas goy who worked for a Rabbi (Jewish man)?
Seems this goyim was invited to meet Mr. Milton Berel after his
performance on a friday evening. So he asked his employer the Rabbi if
he could leave work early on Friday evening to meet Mr. Milton Berel.

After pondering this for a few moments the Rabbi replied "Oy! I should
keep a goy from meeting a Berel?"
--
JL

M. JL Esq. wrote:
> Krypsis wrote:
>
>> The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
>> trying to kid?
>
> No one has commercialized christmas and made its assorted rituals (tree,
> fat man in a red suit) as popular as America,

American secular culture contains stuff that had religious origins, but
at this point people of plenty of religions have a Yule tree and secular
gift exchanges. That transition from religious to secular is an
American attribute.

>> Ergo, you slavishly adopted a European
>> tradition that had been in place for more than 400 years prior.
>
> The Germanic traditions go back even further than that.

Decorating a tree is supposed to predate the conversion. At some point
it was banned so the families who had not yet converted brought their
tree inside to decorate it. Fast forward a bunch of centuries and it
was the Christian families who were bringing the trees inside.
Assimilating the heathen ways is part of the directions by Pope Gregory
to the missionaries.

I rather like that the Christians started celebrating the Wild Hunt of
Odin and Holda at the turn of the year and adopted it as their way. I
also rather like that it pervaded Amercian secular society enough that
people who aren't Christians have started doing it all over the world.
I figure Odin finds the entire process delightful.

Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>
>>>> I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman
>
> Oy. I fiddled around with how to phrase (I worked with a woman
> who is jewish Orthodox) and nothing looked right so I moved the
> words around.
>
> It looks awful the way it wound up. Ooops.
>
> nancy

It did sound a little, um, odd.

Doug Freyburger wrote:

<snip>

> I figure Odin finds the entire process delightful.

Janet wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>>
>>>>> I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman
>>
>> Oy. I fiddled around with how to phrase (I worked with a woman
>> who is jewish Orthodox) and nothing looked right so I moved the
>> words around.
>>
>> It looks awful the way it wound up. Ooops.

> It did sound a little, um, odd.

(laugh) It's just bad. I didn't even notice until I saw it quoted. Argh.

nancy

M. JL Esq. wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>

>> Oy. I fiddled around with how to phrase (I worked with a woman
>> who is jewish Orthodox) and nothing looked right so I moved the
>> words around.
>> It looks awful the way it wound up. Ooops.

> Ever hear about the shabbas goy who worked for a Rabbi (Jewish man)?
> Seems this goyim was invited to meet Mr. Milton Berel after his
> performance on a friday evening. So he asked his employer the Rabbi
> if he could leave work early on Friday evening to meet Mr. Milton
> Berel.
>
> After pondering this for a few moments the Rabbi replied "Oy! I should
> keep a goy from meeting a Berel?"

(laugh!)

nancy

On 27/05/2011 12:53 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> Janet wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:56:53 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>>>
>>>>>> I once worked with an Orthodox jew woman
>>>
>>> Oy. I fiddled around with how to phrase (I worked with a woman
>>> who is jewish Orthodox) and nothing looked right so I moved the
>>> words around.
>>>
>>> It looks awful the way it wound up. Ooops.
>
>> It did sound a little, um, odd.
>
> (laugh) It's just bad. I didn't even notice until I saw it quoted. Argh.
>
> nancy

Not to worry! It will be archived on Google and hang around on the
internet forever. People will get used to it in time and, who knows, you
may have created a new shift in language.

Krypsis

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> M. JL Esq. wrote:
>
>>Krypsis wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Christmas tree is a cultural phenomenon of America? Who are you
>>>trying to kid?
>>
>>No one has commercialized christmas and made its assorted rituals (tree,
>>fat man in a red suit) as popular as America,
>
>
> American secular culture contains stuff that had religious origins, but
> at this point people of plenty of religions have a Yule tree and secular
> gift exchanges. That transition from religious to secular is an
> American attribute.

I think i agree.

While the christmas tree and associated symbols are (relativisticley)
"christian" they are also symbols of the dominant power in the world
today. America. Especially as "Christmas" is celebrated in any "Global"
sense. By non or pre - christian cultures.

The only reason this modern, commercial, instant gratification (without
mentioning George Bernard Shaw) idea exists is because of America's
influence, the ubermensch of it all. We wont even mention America's
influence in creating this medium by which we state thus: This
"newsgroup." Or the associated technologies supporting it.
--
M.JL