On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone I gave
> them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted like the best
> hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of them in the house.
>

I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
stores, just restaurants.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone I gave
>> them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted like the best
>> hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of them in the house.
>>
>
> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
> stores, just restaurants.

I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I think other
stores like Albertsons sell them.

On Jun 7, 10:20*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
>
> >> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. *Everyone I gave
> >> them to asked me what kind of meat they were. *They tasted like the best
> >> hamburger you ever ate. *I could not keep enough of them in the house.
>
> > I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
> > stores, just restaurants.
>
> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I think other
> stores like Albertsons sell them.

Dunno why she couldn't find them on Google.....http://bocaburger.com/
products/boca-burgers.aspx?productBox=0

projectile vomit chick wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone
>>>> I gave them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted
>>>> like the best hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of
>>>> them in the house.
>>
>>> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
>>> stores, just restaurants.
>>
>> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I
>> think other stores like Albertsons sell them.
>
> Dunno why she couldn't find them on Google.....http://bocaburger.com/
> products/boca-burgers.aspx?productBox=0

She can't seem to find much on there.

On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:56:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone
> >>>> I gave them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted
> >>>> like the best hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of
> >>>> them in the house.
> >>
> >>> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
> >>> stores, just restaurants.
> >>
> >> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I
> >> think other stores like Albertsons sell them.
> >
> > Dunno why she couldn't find them on Google.....http://bocaburger.com/
> > products/boca-burgers.aspx?productBox=0
>
> She can't seem to find much on there.
>
Thanks, Julie... if PVC can tell me where to buy Boca *burgers* here
(in town - not outside city limits), I've love the information.
Hey... I might even buy them.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

i haven't been in a store in a long time that didn't have them, wally, sams,
costco meijer, and shop n save come to mind, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone I
>>> gave
>>> them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted like the best
>>> hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of them in the house.
>>>
>>
>> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
>> stores, just restaurants.
>
> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I think
> other stores like Albertsons sell them.
>

sf > wrote:

>I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
>stores, just restaurants.

Did you put it in quotes? A google on "boca burgers" has the Boca burger
product line's website as the first five hits...

Steve

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:43:56 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

> A google on "boca burgers" has the Boca burger
> product line's website as the first five hits...

Five hits for what? I found the boca burger site - didn't want it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:43:56 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
>Pope) wrote:
>
>> A google on "boca burgers" has the Boca burger
>> product line's website as the first five hits...
>
>Five hits for what? I found the boca burger site - didn't want it.

Okay. Then... what were you hoping the search would produce?

Steve

On Jun 8, 11:12*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> sf > wrote:
> >On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:43:56 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> >Pope) wrote:
>
> >> *A google on "boca burgers" has the Boca burger
> >> product line's website as the first five hits...
>
> >Five hits for what? *I found the boca burger site - didn't want it.
>
> Okay. *Then... what were you hoping the search would produce?

She doesn't know. She just likes to **** in the wind.

On Jun 8, 3:07*am, sf > wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:56:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > > On Jun 7, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > >> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > . ..
>
> > >>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > >>> > wrote:
>
> > >>>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone
> > >>>> I gave them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted
> > >>>> like the best hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of
> > >>>> them in the house.
>
> > >>> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
> > >>> stores, just restaurants.
>
> > >> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I
> > >> think other stores like Albertsons sell them.
>
> > > Dunno why she couldn't find them on Google.....http://bocaburger.com/
> > > products/boca-burgers.aspx?productBox=0
>
> > She can't seem to find much on there.
>
> Thanks, Julie... if PVC can tell me where to buy Boca *burgers* here
> (in town - not outside city limits), I've love the information.
> Hey... I might even buy them.

How the **** should I know what groceries carry Boca Burgers where you
live? Go find them yourself. I simply provided that Boca Burgers
information could be found on a Google search.

projectile vomit chick > wrote:

>On Jun 8, 3:07*am, sf > wrote:

>> Thanks, Julie... if PVC can tell me where to buy Boca *burgers* here
>> (in town - not outside city limits), I've love the information.
>> Hey... I might even buy them.

>How the **** should I know what groceries carry Boca Burgers where you
>live?

I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)

Steve

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:43:56 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
>>Pope) wrote:
>>
>>> A google on "boca burgers" has the Boca burger
>>> product line's website as the first five hits...
>>
>>Five hits for what? I found the boca burger site - didn't want it.
>
> Okay. Then... what were you hoping the search would produce?

Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores do.
Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
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> projectile vomit chick > wrote:
>
>>On Jun 8, 3:07 am, sf > wrote:
>
>>> Thanks, Julie... if PVC can tell me where to buy Boca *burgers* here
>>> (in town - not outside city limits), I've love the information.
>>> Hey... I might even buy them.
>
>>How the **** should I know what groceries carry Boca Burgers where you
>>live?
>
> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)

We love the Sunshine Burgers. No, they do not taste like meat. They taste
like beans which is what they are made of. I like the Southwest and
daughter likes the BBQ.

Julie Bove > wrote:

[Boca Burgers]

>Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores do.
>Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.

Boca Burgers can be hard to find at stores with vast freezer sections,
such as Lucky's/Albertsons/Von's. Sometimes they are near the other
veggie/healthy items like Amy's, but sometimes they are over by the
frozen hamburgers and chicken patties.

Steve

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:12:57 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

> sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:43:56 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> >Pope) wrote:
> >
> >> A google on "boca burgers" has the Boca burger
> >> product line's website as the first five hits...
> >
> >Five hits for what? I found the boca burger site - didn't want it.
>
> Okay. Then... what were you hoping the search would produce?
>
A local grocery store, not restaurant, that sells them. I found lots
of restaurants, no grocery store.


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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 21:32:15 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
> wrote:

> On Jun 8, 3:07*am, sf > wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:56:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > > > On Jun 7, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >
> > > . ..
> >
> > > >>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > >>> > wrote:
> >
> > > >>>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone
> > > >>>> I gave them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted
> > > >>>> like the best hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of
> > > >>>> them in the house.
> >
> > > >>> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
> > > >>> stores, just restaurants.
> >
> > > >> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I
> > > >> think other stores like Albertsons sell them.
> >
> > > > Dunno why she couldn't find them on Google.....http://bocaburger.com/
> > > > products/boca-burgers.aspx?productBox=0
> >
> > > She can't seem to find much on there.
> >
> > Thanks, Julie... if PVC can tell me where to buy Boca *burgers* here
> > (in town - not outside city limits), I've love the information.
> > Hey... I might even buy them.
>
> How the **** should I know what groceries carry Boca Burgers where you
> live? Go find them yourself. I simply provided that Boca Burgers
> information could be found on a Google search.

So STFU.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)

I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread. Google only
listed local restaurants and their web site wasn't helpful at all.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:03:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores do.
> Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.
>

I hadn't heard of Boca before. Sometimes regional brands are spoken
about here as if they were national brands. I've eaten a veggie
burger exactly once in my life and have NEVER bought them for home.
So shoot me.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> [Boca Burgers]
>
>>Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores do.
>>Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.
>
> Boca Burgers can be hard to find at stores with vast freezer sections,
> such as Lucky's/Albertsons/Von's. Sometimes they are near the other
> veggie/healthy items like Amy's, but sometimes they are over by the
> frozen hamburgers and chicken patties.

Yeah. Our Albertsons has the fish sticks in a totally different area of the
store than the other frozen foods. Weird.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> Pope) wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
>> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
>> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
>> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)
>
> I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread. Google only
> listed local restaurants and their web site wasn't helpful at all.

I just looked online at my local Safeway. They carry them. Are you near a
Safeway? I know there is one in SF. I've been there.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:03:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores do.
>> Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.
>>
>
> I hadn't heard of Boca before. Sometimes regional brands are spoken
> about here as if they were national brands. I've eaten a veggie
> burger exactly once in my life and have NEVER bought them for home.
> So shoot me.

It's not a regional brand. They've been around for YEARS! I bought them
all the time when I was in the bay area.

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:28:43 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
>Pope) wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
>> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
>> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
>> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)
>
>I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread. Google only
>listed local restaurants and their web site wasn't helpful at all.

You're not missing anything... they look awful, they smell like shit,
their texture is indescribably gross, and one small bite is all that's
needed to stimulate your puke response... a patty made from fresh
Canada Goose poop w/rabbit pellets has to be a far better veg booger.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:03:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I just looked online at my local Safeway. They carry them. Are you near a
> Safeway? I know there is one in SF. I've been there.
>
Yes, lots of Safeways here. Thanks for looking.

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I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:04:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> It's not a regional brand. They've been around for YEARS! I bought them
> all the time when I was in the bay area.

Like I said before, I don't buy that kind of stuff so I wouldn't know.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:04:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:03:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores do.
>>> Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.
>>>
>>
>> I hadn't heard of Boca before. Sometimes regional brands are spoken
>> about here as if they were national brands. I've eaten a veggie
>> burger exactly once in my life and have NEVER bought them for home.
>> So shoot me.
>
>It's not a regional brand. They've been around for YEARS! I bought them
>all the time when I was in the bay area.
>

Julie, from your posts, I can tell that you are a fine cook. You have
a wide range of food tastes and are very adept in many types of
cooking.

I don't understand why you would settle for the bland, boxed veggie
patties like Boca. Sure, they're handy if you're in a hurry, but if
you make your own, they will out-shine anything in a box.

All these Foodies buying boxed, pre made stuff like Boca veggie
patties....strange...

They really ARE simple to make. When made with fresh veggies and just
the seasonings you love the most, they are the difference between a
McDonalds cheeseburger and a fat, juicy, wonderful cheeseburger you
made at home.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:07:46 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> another thing people might look for is "monrningstar" sp brand,

That's the brand I'm familiar with. If it's the same company as Boca,
maybe restaurants have switched brands. I used to see Morning Star
Farms on menus a lot, but haven't noticed a brand mentioned in
years... probably so they won't have to print new menus if they
switch.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Landon" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:04:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:03:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which stores sell them. But I am pretty sure most all grocery stores
>>>> do.
>>>> Perhaps she isn't looking in the right area? Frozen, vegetarian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hadn't heard of Boca before. Sometimes regional brands are spoken
>>> about here as if they were national brands. I've eaten a veggie
>>> burger exactly once in my life and have NEVER bought them for home.
>>> So shoot me.
>>
>>It's not a regional brand. They've been around for YEARS! I bought them
>>all the time when I was in the bay area.
>>
>
> Julie, from your posts, I can tell that you are a fine cook. You have
> a wide range of food tastes and are very adept in many types of
> cooking.
>
> I don't understand why you would settle for the bland, boxed veggie
> patties like Boca. Sure, they're handy if you're in a hurry, but if
> you make your own, they will out-shine anything in a box.

I haven't eaten them in years. I first bought them at a point in my life
where I was very ill and disabled. I could not stand up for more than a few
minutes at a time. I had a barstool to sit on in the kitchen. I used it to
prep veggies. I needed things that I could make quickly. At the time I
believe soy to be something that was very good for you. I now know
otherwise and you couldn't pay me to eat those things. But... When I found
those things, I decided to try them. I was a vegetarian in those days. My
family liked them as did my one neighbor and his very picky kids. Long
story about him but his wife would frequently leave him and he claimed he
didn't know how to cook. His kids wouldn't eat what he could make. So I
was frequently feeding them. And I could get these at the military
commissary for cheap, especially if I had a coupon which I often did.
>
> All these Foodies buying boxed, pre made stuff like Boca veggie
> patties....strange...
>
> They really ARE simple to make. When made with fresh veggies and just
> the seasonings you love the most, they are the difference between a
> McDonalds cheeseburger and a fat, juicy, wonderful cheeseburger you
> made at home.

Could be. I have seen recipes and for the most part they look like a pain
to make. Plus many contain eggs and I can't have them any more due to an
allergy. I have eaten the Sunshine burgers. I do like them. Haven't
bought any in a long while. But these are the sorts of things I will keep
onhand for those times when we need a quick meal.

My daughter takes a lot of dance classes. Sometimes we need a meal after
school and before class. Sometimes things crop up where I have to run out
and do things unexpectedly. There really is no time to cook but daughter
needs food for energy. If I have something like this in the freezer, we can
have something to eat in a minute. Yeah I know I could make something like
this from scratch and freeze it. But if it's inexpensive and I can buy it
at my health food store just around the corner, then why not do that?

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:09:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I have seen recipes and for the most part they look like a pain
>to make. Plus many contain eggs and I can't have them any more due to an
>allergy. I have eaten the Sunshine burgers. I do like them. Haven't
>bought any in a long while. But these are the sorts of things I will keep
>onhand for those times when we need a quick meal.
>
>My daughter takes a lot of dance classes. Sometimes we need a meal after
>school and before class. Sometimes things crop up where I have to run out
>and do things unexpectedly. There really is no time to cook but daughter
>needs food for energy. If I have something like this in the freezer, we can
>have something to eat in a minute. Yeah I know I could make something like
>this from scratch and freeze it. But if it's inexpensive and I can buy it
>at my health food store just around the corner, then why not do that?

They are a PITA to make. I make large batches and freeze them between
wax-paper in "two-to-a-baggie" method. Frozen on a cookie sheet, they
retain their shape perfectly and I can take them out, throw a couple
in the pan or on the grill and be eating in 20 minutes from git to go.

If you know someone who makes things at the Health Food Store you
frequent, perhaps you could buy homemade ones from someone there. The
store I go to has several people who make a living doing just that for
others.

Soy *is* good for you. It adds protein in place of meat protein. That
in itself makes it worth eating. It is, after all, just another bean.
Unlike other types of beans, it can be used in many more ways.

Don't believe all the nonsense about how bad soy is for you. Soy, like
everything else in life, must be used in moderation. Anything done in
excess or to the extreme will harm you.

Water, sex, medications, exercise, all will cause harm or even death
if done in excess or to the extreme. Soy is no different.

The testing that anti-soy folks like to flaunt is done with gross
exaggeration of amounts. The typical amount used for testing is FIVE
TIMES what a typical soy eater uses per/day.

It's said that one gallon of water, spread over a 24 hour period, is
good for you each day. If you increased that amount to FIVE GALLONS
each day, it would cause your death.

Does that mean that water is bad for you? No. It means that THAT MUCH
water is bad for you. It's the same with ALL the soy testing. The
amounts they use for testing are extreme and no one in their right
mind would eat that much soy in one day.

The average amounts of soy are determined by combining the amounts in
ALL of the items usually eaten, not just the beans themselves. One of
the popular and misleading arguments against soy is that "It's now in
so many things that you eat more than you think you do". Again, the
*average* amounts used in testing are determined by including ALL of
these sources. Then they multiply THAT amount FIVE TIMES and use that
to determine that it's bad for you.

Most of the testing done in that fashion is misinterpreted either by
ignorance or intent by the anti-soy people. When cornered on it, they
either stomp off in frustration or just admit that THEY don't like it
anyway! Not the type of argument I want to base my own eating on.

Omelet > wrote:
>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
>> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
>> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
>> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)
>>
>> Steve
>
>Are you a vegan??? I never realized that.

No, but I only consume a Mediterranean amount of meat and fish.
Also I have a specific reason to be eating higher-protein recently
(fracture healing).

Steve

Omelet > wrote:

>Fracture healing huh? Condolences.

Thanks. It is healing normally. Which at my age means I have a
ways to go. (6 weeks post-fracture, proximal humerus.)

>Consider a higher collagen diet for that as well. Preparing a high
>collagen dish generally involves bones as well so that will put more
>"usable" calcium into the dish along with phosphorous and other bone
>building substances. :-) Feet and joints for making soups and stocks
>will give you that.
>
>Mammal meat is going to be more likely to provide you with what you
>need, altho' chicken is supposed to be fairly decent too.
>
>Good luck!

Thanks again. I'm including a wide variety of protein sources,
including supplementing with whey protein. I include some meat
and fish but I'm of the school of thought that large portions
of meat are nutrient-robbing, so I consume just a few ounces at a time.
I'm probably getting 90 to 100 grams of protein a day, from whey/dairy,
egg, soy, legume, whole grain, nuts, meat and fish. I am supplementing
various micronutrients as well.

I'm also monitoring my weight and while I lost about 3 lbs in the
first week post-injury, it has been stable since then. I read that
it's considered bad to lose weight while your body is healing, but
I normally have to struggle not to lose weight anytime I am abstaining
from alcohol (which I am also doing with this injury).

I had not thought about including collagen directly in my diet since
I think my body can synthesize it from amino acids. At least I hope
it can. )


Steve

On Jun 9, 1:25*am, sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 21:32:15 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 8, 3:07 am, sf > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:56:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 7, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > >> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > > > . ..
>
> > > > >>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:51:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > > >>> > wrote:
>
> > > > >>>> Back when I ate soy I ate the Boca All American Burgers. Everyone
> > > > >>>> I gave them to asked me what kind of meat they were. They tasted
> > > > >>>> like the best hamburger you ever ate. I could not keep enough of
> > > > >>>> them in the house.
>
> > > > >>> I googled for Boca burgers here and didn't come up with grocery
> > > > >>> stores, just restaurants.
>
> > > > >> I bought them at the military commissary most of the time but I
> > > > >> think other stores like Albertsons sell them.
>
> > > > > Dunno why she couldn't find them on Google.....http://bocaburger.com/
> > > > > products/boca-burgers.aspx?productBox=0
>
> > > > She can't seem to find much on there.
>
> > > Thanks, Julie... if PVC can tell me where to buy Boca *burgers* here
> > > (in town - not outside city limits), I've love the information.
> > > Hey... I might even buy them.
>
> > How the **** should I know what groceries carry Boca Burgers where you
> > live? *Go find them yourself. *I simply provided that Boca Burgers
> > information could be found on a Google search.
>
> So STFU.

Oh how creative. *yawn*

Someone answers your dumb question, and you splutter out "STFU". You
really are a boring twit.

On Jun 9, 1:28*am, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
>
> Pope) wrote:
> > I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
> > I bought some today at Target. *They are everywhere. *(I do not usually
> > buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
> > been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)
>
> I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread. *Google only
> listed local restaurants and their web site wasn't helpful at all.

Funny everyone else Googles and comes up with Boca Burgers, and you
come up with restaurants. You are so ****ing retarded it's just
laughable.

On Jun 9, 3:03*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> > Pope) wrote:
>
> >> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
> >> I bought some today at Target. *They are everywhere. *(I do not usually
> >> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
> >> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)
>
> > I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread. *Google only
> > listed local restaurants and their web site wasn't helpful at all.
>
> I just looked online at my local Safeway. *They carry them. *Are you near a
> Safeway? *I know there is one in SF. *I've been there.

I don't know why you're researching for her. LOL

On Jun 9, 10:50*am, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 01:04:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
> > It's not a regional brand. *They've been around for YEARS! *I bought them
> > all the time when I was in the bay area.
>
> Like I said before, I don't buy that kind of stuff so I wouldn't know.

Then why do you keep carrying on about it?

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:00:00 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:28:43 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
>> >Pope) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
>> >> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not usually
>> >> buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are higher-protein and I've
>> >> been trying to get more protein into my diet lately.)
>> >
>> >I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread. Google only
>> >listed local restaurants and their web site wasn't helpful at all.
>>
>> You're not missing anything... they look awful, they smell like shit,
>> their texture is indescribably gross, and one small bite is all that's
>> needed to stimulate your puke response... a patty made from fresh
>> Canada Goose poop w/rabbit pellets has to be a far better veg booger.
>
>I see you are in to creative writing this morning Sheldon. ;-)
>That gave me a good chuckle.
>
>I've not tried Boca burgers yet even tho' I've noticed them in the
>frozen food section. I'm just not in to meat substitutes.

Save your sheckles, I can gaurantee you'll find them so utterly
disgusting that you'll need the Boca pooper scooper to serve them.

On Jun 9, 1:28*am, sf > wrote:

> I'd never heard of Boca burgers before this thread.

That is actually consistent with your experience that "soy" almost always
means "soy sauce". These both mean you probably don't know many folks
who are eating soy as a protein source. (At least, deliberately.)


Stevw

Landon wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:09:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I have seen recipes and for the most part they look like a pain
>> to make. Plus many contain eggs and I can't have them any more due
>> to an allergy. I have eaten the Sunshine burgers. I do like them.
>> Haven't bought any in a long while. But these are the sorts of
>> things I will keep onhand for those times when we need a quick meal.
>>
>> My daughter takes a lot of dance classes. Sometimes we need a meal
>> after school and before class. Sometimes things crop up where I
>> have to run out and do things unexpectedly. There really is no time
>> to cook but daughter needs food for energy. If I have something
>> like this in the freezer, we can have something to eat in a minute.
>> Yeah I know I could make something like this from scratch and freeze
>> it. But if it's inexpensive and I can buy it at my health food
>> store just around the corner, then why not do that?
>
> They are a PITA to make. I make large batches and freeze them between
> wax-paper in "two-to-a-baggie" method. Frozen on a cookie sheet, they
> retain their shape perfectly and I can take them out, throw a couple
> in the pan or on the grill and be eating in 20 minutes from git to go.
>
> If you know someone who makes things at the Health Food Store you
> frequent, perhaps you could buy homemade ones from someone there. The
> store I go to has several people who make a living doing just that for
> others.
>
> Soy *is* good for you. It adds protein in place of meat protein. That
> in itself makes it worth eating. It is, after all, just another bean.
> Unlike other types of beans, it can be used in many more ways.

Very much disagree. For me, soy caused a thyroid problem. I stopped the
soy and the thyroid problem went away.
>
> Don't believe all the nonsense about how bad soy is for you. Soy, like
> everything else in life, must be used in moderation. Anything done in
> excess or to the extreme will harm you.

I do believe it because it has been proven, by ME!
>
> Water, sex, medications, exercise, all will cause harm or even death
> if done in excess or to the extreme. Soy is no different.

Actually it is.
>
> The testing that anti-soy folks like to flaunt is done with gross
> exaggeration of amounts. The typical amount used for testing is FIVE
> TIMES what a typical soy eater uses per/day.

I was eating a lot of soy. Edamame, roasted soy nuts, Tiger's Milk bars,
soy bacon and Bocca burgers. Not all of these things in a day but at least
three times a week I was eating something with soy in it.

Now I only consume soybean oil (mostly from restaurant meals) and soy
lecithin in medications and supplements. This amount doesn't seem to affect
my thyroid.

Also, daughter had a soy allergy. She had outgrown it but must limit the
amount of soy she now eats lest the allergy come back.
>
> It's said that one gallon of water, spread over a 24 hour period, is
> good for you each day. If you increased that amount to FIVE GALLONS
> each day, it would cause your death.

So?
>
> Does that mean that water is bad for you? No. It means that THAT MUCH
> water is bad for you. It's the same with ALL the soy testing. The
> amounts they use for testing are extreme and no one in their right
> mind would eat that much soy in one day.

This is all meaningless to me. I know soy caused my thyroid problems. I
*know* it did. Google it and you'll see plenty of evidence.
>
> The average amounts of soy are determined by combining the amounts in
> ALL of the items usually eaten, not just the beans themselves. One of
> the popular and misleading arguments against soy is that "It's now in
> so many things that you eat more than you think you do". Again, the
> *average* amounts used in testing are determined by including ALL of
> these sources. Then they multiply THAT amount FIVE TIMES and use that
> to determine that it's bad for you.

If you are eating fast food and processed food then you are probably
consuming a lot.
>
> Most of the testing done in that fashion is misinterpreted either by
> ignorance or intent by the anti-soy people. When cornered on it, they
> either stomp off in frustration or just admit that THEY don't like it
> anyway! Not the type of argument I want to base my own eating on.

Yeah, well... I don't really care about the testing. I do know what it did
to me.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Landon > wrote:
>
>> The testing that anti-soy folks like to flaunt is done with gross
>> exaggeration of amounts. The typical amount used for testing is FIVE
>> TIMES what a typical soy eater uses per/day.
>
> I found out the same thing about Aspartame... I know some people are
> sensitive to it (I don't think there is a single substance or food out
> there that SOMEbody does not have a sensitivity to!) but I like
> Aspartame and have gone back to using it.
>
> Splenda raises my glucose levels! That tells me that it being
> non-nutrative (calorie free) is an abject lie.
>
> I can't stand Stevia. Tastes like Sacharrin to me.
>
> There is a lot of testing out there that is badly done. The testers
> are using huge amounts of said substance that is unrealistic for most
> normal people that eat a widely varied diet.

I do drink diet drinks that mostly contain Aspartame. Sometimes Splenda. I
don't seem to have problems from either one. I'm not convinced that Stevia
is safe and don't really want to try it because I have heard it tastes bad.
Once in a while my daughter will get a can of Stevia sweetened soda from
the health food store. I let her have it. She likes it. But then she
likes diet cream soda, diet root beer and diet Dr. Pepper. All things I
can't stand.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine any local (to sf) stores not having Boca Burgers.
>> I bought some today at Target. They are everywhere. (I do not
>> usually buy Boca, preferring Dr. Praeger's but Boca are
>> higher-protein and I've been trying to get more protein into my diet
>> lately.)
>>
>> Steve
>
> Are you a vegan??? I never realized that.

I don't think Dr. Praegers is vegan! I believe it contains egg. As do Boca
Burgers.