I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
her and skipped the deli meat.

It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
selling it to the next guy?

On 6/26/2011 8:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?



It was kind of silly of them not to put the bagged ice cubes (or dry
ice) in the deli and meat counters.

Metspitzer wrote:
>
> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?

Most grocery stores have backup generators these days that are large
enough to support the refrigeration and some base lighting.

"Metspitzer" > wrote in message
...
> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?

Why not? What did the temperature get up to? Probably not all that high in
a short time. If the case was kept closed, it probably never got above 40
degrees, perfectly safe. Meat can be left at room temperature safely for a
short time also.

The meat probably gets warmer on the ride home than it did in the closed
meat case.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:02:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> wrote:

> The meat probably gets warmer on the ride home than it did in the closed
> meat case.

I'll ditto that.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 6/26/2011 10:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?

Sounds like drama on the part of the deli person. I seriously doubt the
temps rose more than a few degrees.

On 26/06/2011 10:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?

And the problem is.......?
The case would stay reasonably cool for a few hours. If you bought
sliced meats and walked around the store with the package before
checking out the meat would get a lot warmer before you left the store
than if the power was out all day. Then there is the ride home in a hot
car.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:36:11 -0400, George >
wrote:

> On 6/26/2011 10:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> > her and skipped the deli meat.
> >
> > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> > stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> > selling it to the next guy?
>
> Sounds like drama on the part of the deli person. I seriously doubt the
> temps rose more than a few degrees.

I'm sure you'd rather have full disclosure and be able to make the
decision to buy or not based on it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:03:11 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:02:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> wrote:
>
>> The meat probably gets warmer on the ride home than it did in the closed
>> meat case.
>
>I'll ditto that.

That's dependant on the details... since I typically travel about an
hour each way, during warm weather I go shopping for perishables with
an ice chest (I have an ice chest in my vehical at all times, and I
bring those refreezable blue ice thingies), if I'm going to be out
longer I'll buy a 5 lb bag of ice for $1 at the check out. During
winter I simply don't turn on the heat very high in my vehical, it'll
be colder than my fridge. For short trips I always have a couple of
those space material insulated bags in my vehical. I give more
consideration to summer temperature when bringing home live plants, on
hot days I can't turn off the A/C more than a few minutes or plants
will cook.

Andy > wrote:
>
> Not counting the freezing cargo level of the jet place, time spent above
> freezing, probably four hours.

Just FYI, I don't think the cargo hold is freezing. It's probably colder
than the cabin, but it's pressurized and heated. But you clearly got
away unscathed....

Mike Beede

On Jun 26, 10:02*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
> > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
> > her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> > stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> > selling it to the next guy?
>
> Why not? *What did the temperature get up to? *Probably not all that high in
> a short time. * If the case was kept closed, it probably never got above 40
> degrees, perfectly safe. * Meat can be left at room temperature safely for a
> short time also.
>
> The meat probably gets warmer on the ride home than it did in the closed
> meat case.

I kinda go by 2 hours as the limit. She should have gone ahead and
bought it. And asked for a discount.

N.

"Metspitzer" > wrote in message
...
> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
What, you couldn't tell the power was out? Or was it just the deli? Blew a
circuit, perhaps?

> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?
>
Have you never had a power outage in your house?! I had mine go out once
for about a week. The first thing you don't do is open your refrigerator or
freezer unless absolutely necessary. If it's going to be an extended outage
you get ice (or dry ice, if you can). Most deli meats are cured and can
probably withstand extended non-refrigeration... unless you're talking
potato or pasta salad or something made with mayonnaise. But you didn't
mention anything like that. So I wouldn't worry about it too much. You
should probably have given the deli meat a good new home. An hour and a
half won't kill you.

Jill

On Jun 27, 9:06*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 26/06/2011 10:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
>
> > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
> > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
> > her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> > stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> > selling it to the next guy?
>
> And the problem is.......?
> The case would stay reasonably cool for a few hours. *If you bought
> sliced meats and walked around the store with the package before
> checking out the meat would get a lot warmer before you left the store
> than if the power was out all day. Then there is the ride home in a hot
> car.

I hit the meat, dairy, frozen cases last - have a cooler in my car and
never stop for another errand.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:24:51 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>
>"Metspitzer" > wrote in message
.. .
>> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. The girl said....just
>> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. I thanked
>> her and skipped the deli meat.
>>
>What, you couldn't tell the power was out? Or was it just the deli? Blew a
>circuit, perhaps?
>
>> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
>> stuff out. I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
>> selling it to the next guy?
>>
>Have you never had a power outage in your house?! I had mine go out once
>for about a week. The first thing you don't do is open your refrigerator or
>freezer unless absolutely necessary. If it's going to be an extended outage
>you get ice (or dry ice, if you can). Most deli meats are cured and can
>probably withstand extended non-refrigeration... unless you're talking
>potato or pasta salad or something made with mayonnaise. But you didn't
>mention anything like that. So I wouldn't worry about it too much. You
>should probably have given the deli meat a good new home. An hour and a
>half won't kill you.
>
>Jill
The entire store had lost power. It happened before I got there. The
power had been restored before I entered the store.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>On Jun 27, 9:06*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 26/06/2011 10:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
>>
>> > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
>> > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
>> > her and skipped the deli meat.
>>
>> > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
>> > stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
>> > selling it to the next guy?
>>
>> And the problem is.......?
>> The case would stay reasonably cool for a few hours. *If you bought
>> sliced meats and walked around the store with the package before
>> checking out the meat would get a lot warmer before you left the store
>> than if the power was out all day. Then there is the ride home in a hot
>> car.
>
>I hit the meat, dairy, frozen cases last - have a cooler in my car and
>never stop for another errand.

With meat and dairy a cooler chest will be fine so long as it contains
ice, it's just as good as your home fridge, but with frozen food you
need to get home stat. My ice chest can keep cold on a charge of ice
for more than 24 hours so unless I have frozen food I don't rush home.
If I know I will be out all day I put in a chunk of block ice, a half
gallon milk container filled with water is in my freezer at all times,
perfect for a day's worth of cooling. When I go out and don't plan to
shop and then change my mind a 5 pound bag of ice for a dollar does
the trick. Of course this is only during warm weather, where I live
winters are like the deep freeze, I can even bring home ice cream with
no cooler, I've already bungee corded a space bag of frozen food to my
roof rack.

Mike Beede wrote:
> Andy > wrote:
>>
>> Not counting the freezing cargo level of the jet
>> place, time spent
>> above freezing, probably four hours.
>
> Just FYI, I don't think the cargo hold is freezing.
> It's probably
> colder than the cabin, but it's pressurized and
> heated. But you
> clearly got away unscathed....
>
> Mike Beede

You don't really believe any of andy's shit, do you?

On Jun 26, 7:31*pm, "gloria.p" > wrote:
> On 6/26/2011 8:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
>
> > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
> > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
> > her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> > stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> > selling it to the next guy?
>
> It was kind of silly of them not to put the bagged ice cubes (or dry
> ice) in the deli and meat counters.

I work in a deli department, and we do not have dry ice in the store,
so it may not be an option everywhere.

That said, our normal procedure is to close all coolers, and stop
selling product. The store will remain open during daylight hours as
the backup generators will run the registers and large coolers and
freezers in the back of the store. We cannot open the meat or salad
case for each person's order as that would lower the temp. We keep it
closed, and we wait and see what is going to happen. In most cases,
the power is back on within an hour, so we just watch the temps. If we
get close to the danger line on temps, then we unload everything and
move it to the jumbo cooler in the back of the store.

A couple years ago, we had a 3 day power outage. We had to throw away
all the milk, juice, and the whole freezer aisle section. It was an
area wide power outage, so most stores lost it all. Last year, we had
a local power outage, so they brought in frozen and refrigerated
trucks and loaded everything into those. It was really hard trying to
explain to the customers that all our frozen food was packed into a
semi truck, and no, we could not go and look for a particular item.

It would be great if we could get some portable generators that could
truly run all the coolers and freezers in the store.They could go to
whatever store needed it. That would be awesome.

On Jun 27, 7:55*am, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:36:11 -0400, George >
> wrote:
>
> > On 6/26/2011 10:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
> > > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
> > > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
> > > her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> > > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> > > stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> > > selling it to the next guy?
>
> > Sounds like drama on the part of the deli person. I seriously doubt the
> > temps rose more than a few degrees.
>
> I'm sure you'd rather have full disclosure and be able to make the
> decision to buy or not based on it.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

I was in a grocery store, the 'top three' in the state, I would guess.
I was staring at the chicken rotisserie machine, as in it wasn't
moving, the deli manager noticed that and queried the girl about how
long the thing was not on.

She said like 4 hours or 5, he turned it on, I would have discarded it
all.

> If you're implying they were knowingly selling meat that had gone outside
> safe handling guidelines, *and* they were telling customers about it, I find
> that hard to believe.

I see no reason why an employee would not (or should not) say, ehhh,
kind of getting sketchy.

That would likely give the customer a clearer view on how to handle
stuff. If they chose to get it.

discount maybe <--

Likely it could be, getting meats 'within' safe food handling
guidelines.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:47:05 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Jun 26, 7:31*pm, "gloria.p" > wrote:
>> On 6/26/2011 8:19 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
>>
>> > I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
>> > so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
>> > her and skipped the deli meat.
>>
>> > It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
>> > stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
>> > selling it to the next guy?
>>
>> It was kind of silly of them not to put the bagged ice cubes (or dry
>> ice) in the deli and meat counters.
>
>I work in a deli department, and we do not have dry ice in the store,
>so it may not be an option everywhere.
>
>That said, our normal procedure is to close all coolers, and stop
>selling product. The store will remain open during daylight hours as
>the backup generators will run the registers and large coolers and
>freezers in the back of the store. We cannot open the meat or salad
>case for each person's order as that would lower the temp. We keep it
>closed, and we wait and see what is going to happen. In most cases,
>the power is back on within an hour, so we just watch the temps. If we
>get close to the danger line on temps, then we unload everything and
>move it to the jumbo cooler in the back of the store.
>
>A couple years ago, we had a 3 day power outage. We had to throw away
>all the milk, juice, and the whole freezer aisle section. It was an
>area wide power outage, so most stores lost it all. Last year, we had
>a local power outage, so they brought in frozen and refrigerated
>trucks and loaded everything into those. It was really hard trying to
>explain to the customers that all our frozen food was packed into a
>semi truck, and no, we could not go and look for a particular item.
>
>It would be great if we could get some portable generators that could
>truly run all the coolers and freezers in the store.They could go to
>whatever store needed it. That would be awesome.

Most portable generators are gas powered and loud. Not as awesome as
you would think. Emergency power is expensive.

On Jun 26, 10:19*pm, Metspitzer > wrote:


> I was going to get some roast beef at the deli. *The girl said....just
> so you know, our power has been out for an hour and a half. *I thanked
> her and skipped the deli meat.
>
> It was very nice for her to warn me, but they were not throwing the
> stuff out. *I didn't say anything, but I am wondering if they plan on
> selling it to the next guy?



Did you tell them you wanted the roast beef? I'm asking that
because maybe the reason they said the power was out was to deter you
from buying the meat as they had just got a call from a preferred
customer who had promised to pay 4 times the normal price if they'd
hold the meat for him.

I'll be right down, put it on ice baby,
TJ