On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:22:21 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

> sf > wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I have noticed Costco has reduced the shelf space in half for printer inks.
> >> If the trend is like me who now owns an iPad or other touch device,
> >> printing anything is becoming obsolete. The ink on both of my printers have
> >> dried up. I will not be replacing them. If I need something printed which
> >> is unlikely, I will go to Office Max or the local library.
> >
> > Neither one of my kids have printers (at home) either, but I think
> > they're still a must. I'd still rather read my recipe from a piece of
> > paper instead of the computer, but I'm thinking that some kind of
> > tablet might be nice to have. I'd want to be able to upload my
> > newsreader to it, but I don't know enough about them yet to know if I
> > can or not.
>
> This message is sent from "NewsTap" for the iPad.
>
> I get my newspapers on my iPad. Read my books and yes dozens of recipes and
> how to cook and bake apps. I can watch Alton Brown shows as a I making
> something in the kitchen. I can also take my iPad out to the garden to
> compare plant information and plant problems. My Wifi is good for about 150
> feet from my home.
>
> As I get older, I find that the small print on many books is just getting
> harder to read. With the iPad I can enlarge the text so I can easily read
> the recipes from a short distance. Now where did I put those Bifocals.

Thanks for the info. Does it have any USB ports?

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"cshenk" > wrote in message ...
| Pete C. wrote in rec.food.cooking:
| > Nad R wrote:
|
| > > Pasta sauce in a jar is high quality food?
| >
| > Classico brand is.
|
| It's not bad at all. Sure, if I want to cook/slave for hours I can
| make better, but I've no problem with the jarred version they have.
|
| > The produce section as well as the meat section of the Costcos I've
| > been to (3 or 4) have all been top notch.
|
| Happy with my BJ's here.

Oh my. We have a BJ's in Central Florida. Come visit it some time.
Bring wading boots in case they haven't cleaned their floors lately.
Some rubber gloves to pick through the meat cases and produce.

It does tend to be regional. Sam's Clubs are equally dreadful with
the bonus of incredibly rude employees. Costcos are excellent
wherever they are in Florida.

pavane

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:22:20 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

>Boron Elgar > wrote:
>>
>> Just curious, but why would you print so much less that you could do
>> away with a printer altogether? I have an iPad and an Android phone,
>> but still print things all the time. Damn if I am going to plop either
>> unit on the kitchen counter with a recipe or hand one off for a list
>> of meds at one of my doc visits.
>
>Any document I have on my computer can be stored and read on my iPad. I do
>not even need to plug it in the computer. Document transfers are via wifi.
>My iPad can control my main apple computer.

Yeah, hon...we can all do that. We're not idiots and I have all those
new-fangled whoop-de-doo whiz-bangs right at my digital digittips,
too. If it beeps, lights up or takes batteries, I own it. I
single-handedly support half of China and a quarter of Silicon Valley.
But I still print things.
>
>The iPad fits perfectly on my kitchen counter. Is your kitchen counter that
>small?

Don't be a douche. Why put $800+ toys that go tits up in water
anywhere I prep or cook?

>I keep the iPad in a case when in the kitchen. The cookie dough splatters
>on it has cleaned up ok so far

Yeah, I'm thrilled. Really I am. The frikkin' leather cover on mine
cost $80. That buys a lot of ink and paper...and maybe a printer, too.
I save forests by getting The Economist and other mags on the iPad.

>>> The ink on both of my printers have
>>> dried up. I will not be replacing them. If I need something printed which
>>> is unlikely, I will go to Office Max or the local library.
>>
>> Long walk.
>
>Short Drive if needed, which is unlikely.

Dumb, too, but hey, I am sitting in a room here at home with 3
desktops, two laptops, a tablet and three printers. I am about to go
into the bedroom where there is a laptop, a net book and an iPad. We
can continue to walk from room to room with this, really we can, but
I think you get the message. I am wired from hell to breakfast, but I
do not mix liquids with gadgets. And I'll never drop my cell phone
into a toilet, either. Gadgets are not yet ready for prime time with
moisture. I don't **** on them and I don't cook with them.

Boron

pavane wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Pete C. wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> | > Nad R wrote:
> >
> | > > Pasta sauce in a jar is high quality food?
> | >
> | > Classico brand is.
> >
> > It's not bad at all. Sure, if I want to cook/slave for hours I can
> > make better, but I've no problem with the jarred version they have.
> >
> | > The produce section as well as the meat section of the Costcos
> I've | > been to (3 or 4) have all been top notch.
> >
> > Happy with my BJ's here.
>
> Oh my. We have a BJ's in Central Florida. Come visit it some time.
> Bring wading boots in case they haven't cleaned their floors lately.
> Some rubber gloves to pick through the meat cases and produce.
>
> It does tend to be regional. Sam's Clubs are equally dreadful with
> the bonus of incredibly rude employees. Costcos are excellent
> wherever they are in Florida.

Wow, completely different here but as you say, regional issues. The
BJ's here is clean and well maintained.

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Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:42:27 +0000 (UTC), Nad R wrote:
>
>> Pasta sauce in a jar is high quality food?
>>
>> I think I will stick to the produce store for quality. I like Costco for
>> the junk foods like: Hersey candy bars, Milky Ways, Snickers... My mistake
>> snickers is a high quality candy bar. Sometimes a case of Gatorade... Yes,
>> I love junk foods and Costco's specializes in junk foods
>
> Wait a second - your criticizing pasta sauce as not a high quality
> food and yet you're bragging about being a junk food junkie?
>
> -sw

Chocolate is an addictive drug. Like tobacco, I know it is awful... It is
the craving, it is addictive. I have withdrawal symptoms when I go without
for a few hours. Help me

Chocolate should be regulate by the FDA, the same as cocaine and heroin!

My homemade fudge is to... probably going to kill me, give me those insulin
shots now! I think I need a fix... Snicker bars where are you!

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sf > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:22:21 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>> As I get older, I find that the small print on many books is just getting
>> harder to read. With the iPad I can enlarge the text so I can easily read
>> the recipes from a short distance. Now where did I put those Bifocals.
>
> Thanks for the info. Does it have any USB ports?

Who needs them, USB is obsolete, just like the BlueRay/DVD/CD player. My
external speakers, headphones and my old printers was Wifi / Bluetooth
capable. There is a port for connecting a USB camera using an adapter.

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:39:39 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

> There is a port for connecting a USB camera using an adapter.

I'd need it.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:03:49 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:06:22 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Only the dwarf would think canned beans at Sams are
>>>> different from those sold at Costco. All those big box stores carry
>>>> the same low end to medioce food products, none are gourmet... they
>>>> don't even sell decent bread... that's why he eats that low end white
>>>> bread I'd be ashamed to feed critters.
>>>
>>>Bullshit, indeed. CostCo sells excellent fresh baked bread from La
>>>Brea bakery, baked in store.
>>
>> If it's baked in store it ain't from La Brea... you MORON...
>
><yawn> The dough is manufactured several places around the U.S. and
>sent to Costco where they bake it fresh.
>
>Do you never stop embarrassing yourself without your ignorance? You
>could have easily looked that up before you spouted off.
>
>> as if La
>> Brea is anything to write home about, a ****ing putrid tar pit in
>> LA... if that shit Wonder wanna be white bread in your pix is any
>> example you should just STFU.
>
>Heh. I **** you off every time I prove you wrong, and then you start
>acting like a little spoiled child.
>
>Thank you for the many opportunities to make a fool out of you.
>
>-sw
>
>-sw

Aren't the La Brea breads par baked and then finished off in the
store? I believe that her original stuff was par baked. Anyone know
for sure? Doesn't make any difference really, the bread is good.
Janet US

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:22:21 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
> > sf > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have noticed Costco has reduced the shelf space in half for printer inks.
> > >> If the trend is like me who now owns an iPad or other touch device,
> > >> printing anything is becoming obsolete. The ink on both of my printers have
> > >> dried up. I will not be replacing them. If I need something printed which
> > >> is unlikely, I will go to Office Max or the local library.
> > >
> > > Neither one of my kids have printers (at home) either, but I think
> > > they're still a must. I'd still rather read my recipe from a piece of
> > > paper instead of the computer, but I'm thinking that some kind of
> > > tablet might be nice to have. I'd want to be able to upload my
> > > newsreader to it, but I don't know enough about them yet to know if I
> > > can or not.
> >
> > This message is sent from "NewsTap" for the iPad.
> >
> > I get my newspapers on my iPad. Read my books and yes dozens of recipes and
> > how to cook and bake apps. I can watch Alton Brown shows as a I making
> > something in the kitchen. I can also take my iPad out to the garden to
> > compare plant information and plant problems. My Wifi is good for about 150
> > feet from my home.
> >
> > As I get older, I find that the small print on many books is just getting
> > harder to read. With the iPad I can enlarge the text so I can easily read
> > the recipes from a short distance. Now where did I put those Bifocals.
>
> Thanks for the info. Does it have any USB ports?

Actually, it doesn't, it relies on wireless networking for all
connectivity.

Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
> Don't be a douche. Why put $800+ toys that go tits up in water
> anywhere I prep or cook?

Pathetic Analogy, how far do you keep your hand mixer or electric knife
from sink?

> Yeah, I'm thrilled. Really I am. The frikkin' leather cover on mine
> cost $80. That buys a lot of ink and paper...and maybe a printer, too.
> I save forests by getting The Economist and other mags on the iPad.

Even ink at Costco will not last forever. You will spend far more over time
for ink than your nice leather cover.

>
> Dumb, too, but hey, I am sitting in a room here at home with 3
> desktops, two laptops, a tablet and three printers. I am about to go
> into the bedroom where there is a laptop, a net book and an iPad. We
> can continue to walk from room to room with this, really we can, but
> I think you get the message. I am wired from hell to breakfast, but I
> do not mix liquids with gadgets. And I'll never drop my cell phone
> into a toilet, either. Gadgets are not yet ready for prime time with
> moisture. I don't **** on them and I don't cook with them.

With an iPad those laptops are obsolete.

I suppose you have no hair blower or electric nose trimmers also

WHAT, You do not use your iPad in the bathroom!

http://www.techwebe.com/hot-news/ipa...n-the-bathroom


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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:22:09 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> Why put $800+ toys that go tits up in water anywhere I prep or cook?

I saw a water proof pouch for them (and the touch screen works) only
this morning on the Today show. Aquapac - apparently they come in
more sizes than is shown on the website.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:48:29 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> Aren't the La Brea breads par baked and then finished off in the
> store? I believe that her original stuff was par baked. Anyone know
> for sure? Doesn't make any difference really, the bread is good.

Columbus used to sell brown & serve sourdough bread. I miss being
able to finish off bread at home and pulling a hot, crispy loaf from
the oven in 10 minutes. It was my bread of choice to ship elsewhere
for gifts too.

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Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:22:20 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
> >Boron Elgar > wrote:
> >>
> >> Just curious, but why would you print so much less that you could do
> >> away with a printer altogether? I have an iPad and an Android phone,
> >> but still print things all the time. Damn if I am going to plop either
> >> unit on the kitchen counter with a recipe or hand one off for a list
> >> of meds at one of my doc visits.
> >
> >Any document I have on my computer can be stored and read on my iPad. I do
> >not even need to plug it in the computer. Document transfers are via wifi.
> >My iPad can control my main apple computer.
>
> Yeah, hon...we can all do that. We're not idiots and I have all those
> new-fangled whoop-de-doo whiz-bangs right at my digital digittips,
> too. If it beeps, lights up or takes batteries, I own it. I
> single-handedly support half of China and a quarter of Silicon Valley.

> But I still print things.

Yep.

> >
> >The iPad fits perfectly on my kitchen counter. Is your kitchen counter that
> >small?
>
> Don't be a douche. Why put $800+ toys that go tits up in water
> anywhere I prep or cook?

Actually, I think an ipad would do just fine if you mounted it on a
cabinet door in the kitchen.

>
> >I keep the iPad in a case when in the kitchen. The cookie dough splatters
> >on it has cleaned up ok so far
>
> Yeah, I'm thrilled. Really I am. The frikkin' leather cover on mine
> cost $80. That buys a lot of ink and paper...and maybe a printer, too.
> I save forests by getting The Economist and other mags on the iPad.

Paper is a recyclable product made from a renewable resource, I don't
waste any effort trying to conserve it and put loggers and mill workers
out of work.

>
> >>> The ink on both of my printers have
> >>> dried up. I will not be replacing them. If I need something printed which
> >>> is unlikely, I will go to Office Max or the local library.
> >>
> >> Long walk.
> >
> >Short Drive if needed, which is unlikely.
>
> Dumb, too, but hey, I am sitting in a room here at home with 3
> desktops, two laptops, a tablet and three printers.

Three laptops, one desktop, four printers (five counting a p-touch), a
NAS box and a weather radio warning of severe thunderstorms.

> I am about to go
> into the bedroom where there is a laptop, a net book and an iPad.

Not much tech beyond another weather radio in the bedroom (near tornado
alley)

> We
> can continue to walk from room to room with this, really we can, but
> I think you get the message. I am wired from hell to breakfast, but I
> do not mix liquids with gadgets. And I'll never drop my cell phone
> into a toilet, either. Gadgets are not yet ready for prime time with
> moisture. I don't **** on them and I don't cook with them.

I've got dive computers and cameras that do fine at 100'+ depth, some
gadgets do just fine with water.

Nad R wrote:
>
> Boron Elgar > wrote:
> >
> > Don't be a douche. Why put $800+ toys that go tits up in water
> > anywhere I prep or cook?
>
> Pathetic Analogy, how far do you keep your hand mixer or electric knife
> from sink?
>
> > Yeah, I'm thrilled. Really I am. The frikkin' leather cover on mine
> > cost $80. That buys a lot of ink and paper...and maybe a printer, too.
> > I save forests by getting The Economist and other mags on the iPad.
>
> Even ink at Costco will not last forever. You will spend far more over time
> for ink than your nice leather cover.
>
> >
> > Dumb, too, but hey, I am sitting in a room here at home with 3
> > desktops, two laptops, a tablet and three printers. I am about to go
> > into the bedroom where there is a laptop, a net book and an iPad. We
> > can continue to walk from room to room with this, really we can, but
> > I think you get the message. I am wired from hell to breakfast, but I
> > do not mix liquids with gadgets. And I'll never drop my cell phone
> > into a toilet, either. Gadgets are not yet ready for prime time with
> > moisture. I don't **** on them and I don't cook with them.
>
> With an iPad those laptops are obsolete.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a great many of us do real work on our
laptops and an ipad while a nice consumer gadget is not at all a
replacement for a laptop.

"Pete C." > wrote:

> Paper is a recyclable product made from a renewable resource, I don't
> waste any effort trying to conserve it and put loggers and mill workers
> out of work.

I suppose you own buggy whips also

> Not much tech beyond another weather radio in the bedroom (near tornado
> alley)

My iPad is my Cock Radio and my push weather alert radio.
However, if near tornado alley that backup radio would be helpful.

> I've got dive computers and cameras that do fine at 100'+ depth, some
> gadgets do just fine with water.

Those under water cameras are cool. My nephew has one and has several
sunken ship videos of the Saint Clair River in Michigan an expensive hobby.

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"Pete C." > wrote:
> Nad R wrote:

>> With an iPad those laptops are obsolete.
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but a great many of us do real work on our
> laptops and an ipad while a nice consumer gadget is not at all a
> replacement for a laptop.

That is true. Some companies are still living in the dinosaur age. They
still want that information on a CD and want that paper printout. Some
CEO's have no idea what is WIFI, 3G or 4G is. A laptop is also a consumer
gadget. Many corporations have iPads that are used in the workforce today.
Laptops sales are down, tablet sales are up.

Just go to Costco and see all those tablets for sale. They out number
laptops and computers.

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Nad R wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote:
> > Nad R wrote:
>
> >> With an iPad those laptops are obsolete.
> >
> > Sorry to burst your bubble, but a great many of us do real work on our
> > laptops and an ipad while a nice consumer gadget is not at all a
> > replacement for a laptop.
>
> That is true. Some companies are still living in the dinosaur age. They
> still want that information on a CD and want that paper printout. Some
> CEO's have no idea what is WIFI, 3G or 4G is. A laptop is also a consumer
> gadget. Many corporations have iPads that are used in the workforce today.
> Laptops sales are down, tablet sales are up.

A great many real tasks require an actual keyboard and a much larger
screen. Many of the folks who have desktops where I work have triple
monitors, and even those of us who require the mobility of laptops run
in double display mode when docked at our desks.

Perhaps you have never worked in an environment that did significant
computer based work so you don't understand those needs. A company with
hundreds of thousands of square feet of data center space across dozens
of data centers around the world is certainly not living in any sort of
dinosaur age.

>
> Just go to Costco and see all those tablets for sale. They out number
> laptops and computers.

Costco is a consumer store.

Nad R wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > Paper is a recyclable product made from a renewable resource, I don't
> > waste any effort trying to conserve it and put loggers and mill workers
> > out of work.
>
> I suppose you own buggy whips also
>
> > Not much tech beyond another weather radio in the bedroom (near tornado
> > alley)
>
> My iPad is my Cock Radio and my push weather alert radio.
> However, if near tornado alley that backup radio would be helpful.

My cell phone is my clock radio. Weather radios are indeed an important
item to have in this area.

>
> > I've got dive computers and cameras that do fine at 100'+ depth, some
> > gadgets do just fine with water.
>
> Those under water cameras are cool. My nephew has one and has several
> sunken ship videos of the Saint Clair River in Michigan an expensive hobby.

It's somewhat expensive, but rather front loaded. Once you have your
gear the costs drop off a lot as long as you take care of it, most
continuing costs are travel related.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:54:04 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the info. Does it have any USB ports?
>
> Actually, it doesn't, it relies on wireless networking for all
> connectivity.

So if I wanted to back it up, I'd have to use an online service - how
would I install my old version of Agent? I'm still not convinced I
care enough to get a newer version because it would take me a month to
disable it back to what I have now with one or two features I would
have gotten had I bought the "new" version that had just been released
at the time.

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"Pete C." > wrote:
> Nad R wrote:

> A great many real tasks require an actual keyboard and a much larger
> screen. Many of the folks who have desktops where I work have triple
> monitors, and even those of us who require the mobility of laptops run
> in double display mode when docked at our desks.

Desktops are needed in a modern office that can be very helpful in getting
the job done. I question the usefulness of the laptop in the field today.
Those two hours of battery life is very limiting in a laptop. Transfer of
data is often faster with Wifi or 3G than a low powered hard drive in those
laptops. The HD display resolution on my pad is better than most Laptops
and with a ten hour battery life.

> Perhaps you have never worked in an environment that did significant
> computer based work so you don't understand those needs. A company with
> hundreds of thousands of square feet of data center space across dozens
> of data centers around the world is certainly not living in any sort of
> dinosaur age.

Has nothing to do with the premise that laptops are becoming history.

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 02:53:09 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

> "Pete C." > wrote:
> > Nad R wrote:
>
> >> With an iPad those laptops are obsolete.
> >
> > Sorry to burst your bubble, but a great many of us do real work on our
> > laptops and an ipad while a nice consumer gadget is not at all a
> > replacement for a laptop.
>
> That is true. Some companies are still living in the dinosaur age. They
> still want that information on a CD and want that paper printout.

That's the least of my problems... I can print wirelessly.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:25:40 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> Costco is a consumer store.

Earth to Pete C.... we're talking about consumer hardware and
software, not your oh so special circumstance.

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:18:51 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

> I question the usefulness of the laptop in the field today.

What do you mean by "the field"? My DD's company issues laptops to
employees that are used as their main computer in the office (docked)
and everywhere else.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:10:43 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> Paper is a recyclable product made from a renewable resource, I don't
> waste any effort trying to conserve it and put loggers and mill workers
> out of work.

That statement matches your online personality very well.

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 02:39:32 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

>
> My iPad is my Cock Radio

As in cock-a-doodle-doo?

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:28:55 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:
>
> It's somewhat expensive, but rather front loaded. Once you have your
> gear the costs drop off a lot as long as you take care of it, most
> continuing costs are travel related.

What is this $20 a month for data plan all about? Do you need a cell
phone already and add the iPad or is this a separate plan and what
other charges should I expect?

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sf > wrote:

>> I question the usefulness of the laptop in the field today.

>What do you mean by "the field"? My DD's company issues laptops to
>employees that are used as their main computer in the office (docked)
>and everywhere else.

That's sort of the old way of doing it. The disadvantage is one
must carry one's laptop constantly. It would be easier to carry
a smaller device.

Steve

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sf > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:28:55 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>>
>> It's somewhat expensive, but rather front loaded. Once you have your
>> gear the costs drop off a lot as long as you take care of it, most
>> continuing costs are travel related.
>
> What is this $20 a month for data plan all about? Do you need a cell
> phone already and add the iPad or is this a separate plan and what
> other charges should I expect?

I have the 3G option and rarely use it. I use free wifi spots most of the
time when traveling. If needed I will use the 3G and pay extra for the
reactivation charge. The 3G option comes with GPS that provides greater
usefulness of the machine. For now I am not paying for the data plan.

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sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 02:39:32 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> My iPad is my Cock Radio
>
> As in cock-a-doodle-doo?

That auto spell checker, how many times...

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sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:54:04 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info. Does it have any USB ports?
> >
> > Actually, it doesn't, it relies on wireless networking for all
> > connectivity.
>
> So if I wanted to back it up, I'd have to use an online service

No, you'd have to back it up over your WiFi to your desktop, laptop, NAS
storage, etc. "Wireless networking" in no way means some outside
service.

> - how
> would I install my old version of Agent? I'm still not convinced I
> care enough to get a newer version because it would take me a month to
> disable it back to what I have now with one or two features I would
> have gotten had I bought the "new" version that had just been released
> at the time.

You install software to it, again over your wireless network. I don't
know whether there is a version of Agent for the ipad.

Nad R wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote:
> > Nad R wrote:
>
> > A great many real tasks require an actual keyboard and a much larger
> > screen. Many of the folks who have desktops where I work have triple
> > monitors, and even those of us who require the mobility of laptops run
> > in double display mode when docked at our desks.
>
> Desktops are needed in a modern office that can be very helpful in getting
> the job done. I question the usefulness of the laptop in the field today.

You question the usefulness because you have never done the type of work
we do.

> Those two hours of battery life is very limiting in a laptop.

My laptop gets more like four hours of battery life and I can readily
plug it in nearly everywhere I need to use it, including on aircraft.

> Transfer of
> data is often faster with Wifi or 3G than a low powered hard drive in those
> laptops.

WiFi or 3G are not remotely as fast as a local hard drive. As for WiFi,
we have that in our data centers and can readily connect from our
laptops from anywhere we happen to be working in the DCs, toss the
laptop on a chair or cart next to the rack with the equipment you are
working on and you're good to go. If you're going to be working for more
than a couple hours grab your power adapter and plug it in to the
nearest outlet.

> The HD display resolution on my pad is better than most Laptops
> and with a ten hour battery life.

Resolution without screen size is not very useful. We don't like having
to squint and the equivalent of 4 point text on some tiny screen.

>
> > Perhaps you have never worked in an environment that did significant
> > computer based work so you don't understand those needs. A company with
> > hundreds of thousands of square feet of data center space across dozens
> > of data centers around the world is certainly not living in any sort of
> > dinosaur age.
>
> Has nothing to do with the premise that laptops are becoming history.

It has everything to do with that false premise. If you haven't done
that kind of work, you lack the understanding of the requirements and
why your beloved ipad is not suitable.

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> sf > wrote:
>
> >> I question the usefulness of the laptop in the field today.
>
> >What do you mean by "the field"? My DD's company issues laptops to
> >employees that are used as their main computer in the office (docked)
> >and everywhere else.
>
> That's sort of the old way of doing it. The disadvantage is one
> must carry one's laptop constantly. It would be easier to carry
> a smaller device.

It may be easier to carry a smaller device, but if that smaller device
is not useable for the application, it's still not suitable.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:25:40 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> > Costco is a consumer store.
>
> Earth to Pete C.... we're talking about consumer hardware and
> software, not your oh so special circumstance.

No, we're talking about a clueless scrapple true believer who has no
understanding of what PCs are used for in the real world and is claiming
that their beloved ipad is somehow going to make laptops obsolete.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:28:55 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
> >
> > It's somewhat expensive, but rather front loaded. Once you have your
> > gear the costs drop off a lot as long as you take care of it, most
> > continuing costs are travel related.
>
> What is this $20 a month for data plan all about? Do you need a cell
> phone already and add the iPad or is this a separate plan and what
> other charges should I expect?

Er, well the reference you are quoting is about SCUBA diving.

As for data plans in relation to an ipad, that's if you get a version of
the ipad with 3G (cell) data connectivity, in which case you do need a
data plan just like a cell phone if you want to use that feature. You
can also connect on and WiFi network, which could include a WiFi hot
spot serviced by your existing cell phone in which case you would not
need an additional data plan. You can also get a version if the ipad
that is WiFi only and a bit cheaper than the one that includes the 3G
radio, but of course then you only have the WiFi connectivity option.
Since WiFi is available damned near everywhere these days, you can
generally do just fine with WiFi only.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:10:43 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> > Paper is a recyclable product made from a renewable resource, I don't
> > waste any effort trying to conserve it and put loggers and mill workers
> > out of work.
>
> That statement matches your online personality very well.

I don't have an online personality.

"Nad R" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> I have the 3G option and rarely use it. I use free wifi spots most of the
> time when traveling. If needed I will use the 3G and pay extra for the
> reactivation charge. The 3G option comes with GPS that provides greater
> usefulness of the machine. For now I am not paying for the data plan.

You must have it to use it in Europe.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:10:43 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:


>Actually, I think an ipad would do just fine if you mounted it on a
>cabinet door in the kitchen.

Why bother? I have a TV, blu-ray, satellite radio set up on the wall
in the kitchen already, and widgets on fridge, and a laptop that is
easily placed anywhere I want it to be, but it still doesn't give me
what I want in the kitchen...a set of recipe instructions that can be
slopped on and discarded. I can send data to that TV, too and see a
recipe on it, but it STILL isn't practical for a recipe. I cannot
carry it from one work surface to another, I have to wipe off my hands
to manage the view....nah...not ready for prime-time.
>
>I've got dive computers and cameras that do fine at 100'+ depth, some
>gadgets do just fine with water.

Those are specialized toys, not an iPad or Xoom or the like, that is
easily portable, or even a smart phone .

They also make laptops that are case-hardened and water resistant.
That is not the general home use stuff, though. I rather doubt there
is a big market for Panasonic or special tablets made for field or lab
use as a kitchen addition these days. When and if the prices get cheap
for such things, and they become practical for the home kitchen,
that's swell, but until then, it ain't worth the bother.

I could quite easily take an old, expendable laptop and use it while
prepping and cooking, but a piece of paper is really a lot easier. You
can put in on or under anything or tack it up if needed or use it to
level off a cup of flour. I am a techno-junkie, but see no reason to
go out of the way to incorporate its use when there is a simpler and
more practical solution available. I want a wireless, flat film that I
can toss in the dishwasher. Until then, paper is my friend.

Boron

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

><Ross@home> wrote:
>> One example, Sam's had a couple of skids of Lexmark wireless 4 in 1
>> printers for $38.00 that were complete with full size XL ink
>> cartridges. Those printers cost less than a pair of the same
>> cartridges for my printer so I bought three printers.
>> We did save considerably more than the cost of membership at both
>> places and while we do shop regularly at Costco, there are things
>> about Sam's that we miss.
>>
>> Ross.
>
>I have noticed Costco has reduced the shelf space in half for printer inks.
>If the trend is like me who now owns an iPad or other touch device,
>printing anything is becoming obsolete. The ink on both of my printers have
>dried up. I will not be replacing them. If I need something printed which
>is unlikely, I will go to Office Max or the local library.

Most folks print, in fact most print a lot... today many use photo
printers, those consume a tremendows quantity of ink yet people do
print photos. However pricey are branded printer cartridges generics
can be purchased on line at deep discount... I've been using generics
for many years with no complaints, I buy at Inksmile.com When I
recently bought a new printer and realized I had more than twenty of
their cartridges in stock for my old printer they told me to mail them
back and they sent me a check for a full refund, can't beat that. I
don't do a lot of printing but hardly a day passes that I don't print
a few pages. I doubt the printe page will become obsolete... it seems
to me that the more effort is placed into achieving this so-called
paperless society the more pages are printed... the more one signs up
for on line statements, banking, etc. the more junk snail mail they
send.

Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:10:43 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, I think an ipad would do just fine if you mounted it on a
> >cabinet door in the kitchen.
>
> Why bother? I have a TV, blu-ray, satellite radio set up on the wall
> in the kitchen already, and widgets on fridge, and a laptop that is
> easily placed anywhere I want it to be, but it still doesn't give me
> what I want in the kitchen...a set of recipe instructions that can be
> slopped on and discarded. I can send data to that TV, too and see a
> recipe on it, but it STILL isn't practical for a recipe. I cannot
> carry it from one work surface to another, I have to wipe off my hands
> to manage the view....nah...not ready for prime-time.
> >
> >I've got dive computers and cameras that do fine at 100'+ depth, some
> >gadgets do just fine with water.
>
> Those are specialized toys, not an iPad or Xoom or the like, that is
> easily portable, or even a smart phone .
>
> They also make laptops that are case-hardened and water resistant.
> That is not the general home use stuff, though. I rather doubt there
> is a big market for Panasonic or special tablets made for field or lab
> use as a kitchen addition these days. When and if the prices get cheap
> for such things, and they become practical for the home kitchen,
> that's swell, but until then, it ain't worth the bother.
>
> I could quite easily take an old, expendable laptop and use it while
> prepping and cooking, but a piece of paper is really a lot easier. You
> can put in on or under anything or tack it up if needed or use it to
> level off a cup of flour. I am a techno-junkie, but see no reason to
> go out of the way to incorporate its use when there is a simpler and
> more practical solution available. I want a wireless, flat film that I
> can toss in the dishwasher. Until then, paper is my friend.
>
> Boron

I routinely tape a printed recipe, cooking production checklist for a
party and the like to a cabinet door in my kitchen. I don't find any
need to be able to move it from work surface to work surface since my
kitchen is organized so that I can readily glance at the sheet from any
of the likely work areas. An ipad, tablet or similar would work equally
well for that use, and the half a second it takes to wipe my finger
before using the touch screen isn't an issue since I always have utility
hand towels around the work area.