On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
> mistake. *


It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
(except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
SHOPPING.

TJ

TJ

On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake. *
>
>
> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
>things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
>(except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
>I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
>Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
>me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
>is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
>here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
>down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
>plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
>weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
>probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
>SHOPPING.

I don't like shopping either. I like grocery shopping but that's it.
Louise doesn't like malls but loves thrift/resale stores and any other
place she can get a good deal. The last time I bought a fridge I had
a backup. This time I didn't and being summer with 4 coolers with
melting ice in them there was pressure and I didn't like it.

Lou

On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:17:56 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> But it's not like I went around
> searcing for the perfect cheese steak, which by the way I think tastes
> better without the cheese - it's just that the ones I encountered
> never measured up.

Isn't what makes the perfect cheese steak an eternal argument in
Philly? It's like the bagel and pizza wars in NYC.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:48:04 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>>older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>>bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>>too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old farmhouse
>>unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in there.
>
> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
> mistake.
>
> Lou

i hope you're happy with it, lou.

your pal,
blake

On 7/5/2011 11:56 AM, sf wrote:

> Isn't what makes the perfect cheese steak an eternal argument in
> Philly? It's like the bagel and pizza wars in NYC.
>


Yep... same thing. They fight about who makes the best rolls, what kind
of cheese to use, should there be green peppers or not, sauce or no
sauce...... It is all pretty silly.

There are a ton of variations on a Philly Cheese Steak and most of them
are pretty good.

The one I like at any given moment is usually the one I have in my hand.
Not everything has to be a contest.

George L

Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
> > older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
> > bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
> > too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old
> > farmhouse unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in
> > there.
>
> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
> mistake.
>
> Lou

They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer but
side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size issues.
Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like it. Now, I
could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer for what won't fit
in thee but as an only freezer, you will like the bottom or top unit
for utility as well.


--

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
> > My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
> > We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
> > worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
> > bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
> > compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
> > mistake. *
>
>
> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
> things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
> (except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
> I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
> Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
> me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
> is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
> here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
> down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
> plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
> weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
> probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
> SHOPPING.

Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
suitable for a single person's use. Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.

I'll have to replace mine soon. I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
energystar and save on the electric as well.

I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. Simple but
reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need either and
it's one less thing to break.


--

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 4, 4:59*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > The small cube unit we used for years became extra counterspace (bit
> > low but worked) in some places and was often in others located in
> > the living room where we had space. *It even spent time as a TV
> > stand in our daughter's room for a bit.
>
>
> I read your entire post, enjoyed it, but responding only to the
> part above. I think it's funny how this part of your post is a lesson
> of sorts in seeing the positives in things, such as for example:
> Nothing takes up 'too much space' if it can be used for something.
> See, I'm really quite a positive person. I suppose if I had my own
> home and tons of money I might have a refrigerator custom-built to go
> all the way around the kitchen, but only tall enough to handle the
> tallest bottles you may want to cool. Then the entire rpund-the-block
> cooling system could be used to put things. The cooling system would
> go all the way around the room at chest height, so things could be
> stored not only on top but below as well. It would have four doors,
> one for each corner; maybe two if you have a really large kitchen.

LOL! No harm in replying to just the part of interest! Yeah, I tend
to look for how to use things best and make do.

I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still recovering from
50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had to contract out
25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves. Lets just say we got
into the house by walking through what *used* to be the wall of the 4th
bedroom.

We are down now to cosmetics and our first 'luxury' addition is a shed
going out back. A 10x10 wood unit. Don and I are very handy with
repairs but are getting on in life so we are having them install it.
Ordered it this past weekend but they goofed something so I have to go
back Thursday and re-order after they cancel this one.

Then, probably new carpet. Final stage is a kitchen cabinet along an
8ft blank wall to give more counterspace, with 6 outlets for all my fun
stuff.

The glory of owning is you can do what you want. The pain is no one
fixes it for you no matter what it is. You build equity but you can be
hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.

OHH! Vet just called back. Aunti Mabel's ear culture is back. Now
they have a lead and I get the meds and details tomorrow. They found
out 2 strains of very resistant bacteria so she's going on anti-biotics
of 2 types for 2 weeks then a recheck before they are stopped to see if
she needs more. Gotta laugh a little as the vet shyly explained she's
going to use a med with a side effect on some dogs but *excellent* for
her condition. Has a high rate of causing deafness but is much gentler
on older dogs. Since she's already deaf, anything to fix her ears
works for me! I'll get the full lowdown on it all tomorrow.


--

On Jun 30, 5:02*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> Mrs. bought 5lbs of boneless country style pork ribs today. I'd like to
> grill them. How do you do it? I don't find many recipes for grilling country
> style ribs.
> If you want to see something pretty ridiculous to point where it's humerous
> look at the BBQ Pit Boys Old Time.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt_yLN57E8Y
>
> They boil the ribs in barbecue sauce and beer in an aluminum pan on the
> Weber charcoal grill.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>

You can turn your Weber into an improvised smoker. by placing a
barrier in the bowl. Use real wood charcoal in one side, and place
drip pans in the other .

I'll dry rub the meat, start the fire in a chimney, and wait for the
coals to turn ashy. Then dump the coals in the coal side, and put the
meat over the drip pan side. I put a big pan of water over the coals
to regulate the heat. The water needs to be replenished from time to
time as does the charcoal. Mesquite provides some lovely large, long
burning pieces. After 5-6 hours the meat is irresistable.

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 4, 5:01*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:\
>
>
> > > I saw your first, and I didn't think it was boring at all. *You
> > > effectively told about your old freezer, buying a new one and the
> > > old one dying. *I enjoyed reading it. *A lot of detail about
> > > getting it up to your apartment. *You're a good writer.
>
>
> > I agree. *TJ when the 'less polite folks' aren't involved is turning
> > out to be a delightful person to chat with. *Interesting and real.
>
>
> I love it, but please don't over-do it, I'm not sure I can live up
> to the standard. Also, even though I do not consider myself a less
> polite person, please do not remove my privilege to go in that
> direction if so inclined. I do not want to be pressured into being a
> nice guy all the time. Please. Please don't do that to me.
>
> TJ (thank you)

LOL! Watch me stomp on folks in the dog groups at times! Don't worry,
I;m not all sweetness and light nor do I expect any to be.


--

cshenk wrote:
No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need
> either and it's one less thing to break.

Yes, our side-by-side had the icemaker and water in the door - and
they failed. Plus, they were expensive to fix.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:43:07 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> If it isn't made in Philly, it's only a cheesesteak!!!

I can live with "just a cheese steak".

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

I lived in L.A. for 23 years. There were tons of "Philly Steak"
places all over town, yet none came close to the ones I knew from my
hometown in PA. The meat was usually too coarse. But worst of all,
the rolls were always too thick and dominant. Now I'm living in NC
and I found the same thing here. But it's not like I went around
searcing for the perfect cheese steak, which by the way I think tastes
better without the cheese - it's just that the ones I encountered
never measured up. Then my brother took me to a place in Greensboro
that had philly cheese steaks on the menu. Theirs too did not measure
up. But it was good. Since then I have learned to forget about
comparing every steak sandwich I eat to the ones I remember from my
hometown.

Whatever you do, don't go back to your hometown and order it again. Even if
it was EXACTLY the same, it would never measure up to your memories.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:00:18 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

> But worst of all,
> the rolls were always too thick and dominant.

That's often the case - even when it's not a cheese steak sandwich.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:49:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>> > older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>> > bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>> > too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old
>> > farmhouse unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in
>> > there.
>>
>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake.
>>
>> Lou
>
>They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer but
>side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size issues.
>Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like it. Now, I
>could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer for what won't fit
>in thee but as an only freezer, you will like the bottom or top unit
>for utility as well.

Bottom freezers are fine if you're a shrimp but for folks of normal
stature top freezers are far more convenient.

Ranee wrote:

> Having heard what makes an authentic, good, Philly Cheesesteak, I
> decided I wouldn't like them. I like good bread, the steak, peppers and
> onions and provolone cheese. Steak and peppers with cheese. That's the
> sandwich I like. :-)

I'm with you on that. How do you prepare them? Do you toast the bread? Do
you cook the cheese?

My method is to put some olive oil in a skillet over medium-high heat. When
the oil is hot, I add sliced onions and bell peppers, cooking until they're
softened. Then I lower the heat and add sliced leftover steak, stirring it
around briefly. I put a slice of provolone on top and let the whole thing
sit undisturbed until the cheese is mostly melted and the meat is warmed
through. Meanwhile, I toast the hoagie roll in my toaster oven. When the
meat/cheese is ready and the bun is toasted, I scoop the meat into the bun.
I like to add Tabasco. As a variation I might include chopped cherry peppers
at the same time I add the steak.

But I would *never* call that a Philly Cheese Steak sandwich!

Bob

On Jul 5, 10:24*am, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> I don't like shopping either. *I like grocery shopping but that's it.
> Louise doesn't like malls but loves thrift/resale stores and any other
> place she can get a good deal. *The last time I bought a fridge I had
> a backup. *This time I didn't and being summer with 4 coolers with
> melting ice in them there was pressure and I didn't like it. *


I am the same as not only you but also your wife. I don't
necessarily enjoy shopping in thrift stores, but I've been using them
for close to 50 years. If you go to a thrift store looking for
something specific, you might come away disappointed. But if you go
once a month or whenever and just buy what you like whether you need
it now or not, that's when it's good. I am like you in the sense that
I also don't mind grocery shopping. So I suppose what I hate most is
not the shopping per se, but the hunt, like the one that happens when
you buy a pair of athletic shoes that are the best you've ever had,
then when you back for another pair you find out they've discontinued
them. Now it has gone beyond shopping into the hunt. Now you have to
search all over again for shoes that fit. This applies not only to
shoes but many things that are relentlessly changed by marketing.
Yes, I do not put shopping for food into the same category as hunting
for clothes or other items you have not bought in some time and know
very little about it. It's an adventure I don't like.

TJ

On Jul 5, 12:56*pm, sf > wrote:


> Isn't what makes the perfect cheese steak an eternal argument in
> Philly? *It's like the bagel and pizza wars in NYC.



Swear to God, even though I prefer a steak sandwich without
cheese, I can understand why someone would want cheese on theirs. So
there is no dispute from me. I don't get the New York pizza argument
that says you can't get good pizza anywhere other than New York. Most
New Yorkers feel pretty big about themselves in a lot of ways, as if
anything happening outside their territory is worthless or obsolete.
I'm not a huge pizza lover, but I have had pizza from a lot of places
not even close to New York, and thought they were superior. I swear,
I think tv is ready for the Blindfold Test Channel where people are
asked to sample things, not just food, without the help of labeling of
any sort. It would be interesting to see Mr. New York Pizza Lover's
true tastes revealed as he is asked to sample 10 different pizza
slices over a period of time and rating the New York slice lowest on
the list.

TJ

oh dear god, this now that you written it will be a reality show soon, just
make sure you get some royalties, lol, Lee


"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 5, 12:56 pm, sf > wrote:


> Isn't what makes the perfect cheese steak an eternal argument in
> Philly? It's like the bagel and pizza wars in NYC.



Swear to God, even though I prefer a steak sandwich without
cheese, I can understand why someone would want cheese on theirs. So
there is no dispute from me. I don't get the New York pizza argument
that says you can't get good pizza anywhere other than New York. Most
New Yorkers feel pretty big about themselves in a lot of ways, as if
anything happening outside their territory is worthless or obsolete.
I'm not a huge pizza lover, but I have had pizza from a lot of places
not even close to New York, and thought they were superior. I swear,
I think tv is ready for the Blindfold Test Channel where people are
asked to sample things, not just food, without the help of labeling of
any sort. It would be interesting to see Mr. New York Pizza Lover's
true tastes revealed as he is asked to sample 10 different pizza
slices over a period of time and rating the New York slice lowest on
the list.

TJ

On Jul 5, 5:10*pm, George Leppla > wrote:


> There are a ton of variations on a Philly Cheese Steak and most of them
> are pretty good.

> The one I like at any given moment is usually the one I have in my hand.
> *Not everything has to be a contest.


I agree. I think it's a matter of expectation. You're from
Philly but now you're in L.A. buying a sandwich from a place that
refers to itself as a Philly Cheese-steak outfit, then it's only
natural for comparisons to enter your mind. Some pizza places outside
New York sometimes bill their product as New York "Style" Pizza. I'm
not sure what that is exactly, but I guess the crust is kind of thin
and maybe a bit hard, maybe differing from place to place even within
the confines of New York. Maybe I'm prejudiced, but I have not yet
had a Philly Cheese Steak outside that area (not just Philly, but the
area), that measures up to the ones from there. I would be willing to
accept a blindfold challenge on it, especially eating the ones from my
hometown. Maybe the same applies to pizza. But I have had pizza in
places other than New York that were as good as the New York style,
and in some cases even better. I like the pizza dough that is almost
like a biscuit, where it's got a bite but melts almost immediately in
your mouth. So here I am making a contest out of this, it seems, when
in reality I agree with you, that food is an evolving thing and
improvements are always at the ready.

Put some pineapple on that slice please,
TJ

Tommy Joe > wrote:

>Swear to God, even though I prefer a steak sandwich without
>cheese, I can understand why someone would want cheese on theirs. So
>there is no dispute from me. I don't get the New York pizza argument
>that says you can't get good pizza anywhere other than New York. Most
>New Yorkers feel pretty big about themselves in a lot of ways, as if
>anything happening outside their territory is worthless or obsolete.
>I'm not a huge pizza lover, but I have had pizza from a lot of places
>not even close to New York, and thought they were superior.

I've had New York-style pizza in New York that was extremeley good.
Not better than, or even as good as, my preferred style of pizza which
is Naples pizza, but distinct enough that I can understand why some
people would consider it the best.

Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.



S.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:43:16 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> In article >,
> George Leppla > wrote:
>
> > Since I moved to the south (Louisiana) I had given up on ever finding a
> > place that made a good cheese steak until recently when I found a very
> > good one at a place that specializes in fried catfish. (Really? Yeah,
> > really!)
>
> Having heard what makes an authentic, good, Philly Cheesesteak, I
> decided I wouldn't like them. I like good bread, the steak, peppers and
> onions and provolone cheese. Steak and peppers with cheese. That's the
> sandwich I like. :-)
>
You're right. I wouldn't like a "Philly" cheese steak (cheese whiz?
Yuck), but I like what I make, which is pretty much how you make it.
Peppers are not crucial for me although if I had them on hand, I might
consider preparing them - and I don't do sliced bread, it has to be a
steak roll. Right now, I have a 3 color bell pepper salsa that would
be awesome on a cheese steak, heck I have a sweet & sour red (bell)
pepper salsa on hand that would work too.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Jul 5, 5:58*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
> suitable for a single person's use. *Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
> same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.
>
> I'll have to replace mine soon. *I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
> bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
> energystar and save on the electric as well.
>
> I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. *Simple but
> reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
> chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. *Don't need either and
> it's one less thing to break.


I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. When I was really young I
didn't care. Things were cheaper anyway, especially used things.
I've lived on hand-me-downs most of my life. That's fine with me -
fine with a guy who hates shopping. But now I'm starting to think
that all those people who helped me out over the years by giving me
their used stuff have now turned me into an incompetent fool incapable
of shopping without the potential for a stress-induced heart attack.
So in a sense, those who have helped me over the years have screwed
me. *******s. But really, cost is relative. If a fridge is
important - and in this day and age it surely is - and if it lasts 10
years - then I suppose $800 isn't bad at all - if you have it.

TJ

On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you can be
> hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.



Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn there's
something to pay. Everything has its positives and negatives, and
when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. But
with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
It's not a contest or argument. I can see the positives either way.
The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. But
even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
house. Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
blowing air out or in. I think of people who live in really huge
homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
with you. You buy a big home, you need a big fence. Then something
to guard the fence. Then something to guard the things guarding the
fence. That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.

TJ

On Jul 5, 6:30*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:


> LOL! *Watch me stomp on folks in the dog groups at times! *Don't worry,
> I;m not all sweetness and light nor do I expect any to be.



Alright, as long as we're clear on that issue. NEXT!

TJ

On Jul 5, 7:00*pm, "Pico Rico" > wrote:

> Whatever you do, don't go back to your hometown and order it again. *Even if
> it was EXACTLY the same, it would never measure up to your memories.



I know what you're saying. But I did go back to my hometown after
23 years and the steak sandwich did indeed live up to my memories. I
could smell the memory a block away. Some things though are purely
nostalgia-driven. Like the time my brother and I drove up to
Allentown for a visit to our hometown and he insisted on getting like
6 wooden cases filled with quart bottles of soda from a local soda
company called A-Treat. This stuff was no different from any other
soda, just a memory. I don't feel the same applies to all foods
though. I have taken people from elsewhere to my favorite Allentown
steak sandwich place and all agreed it was the best they ever had. I
don't think they said that just for my benefit, although I suppose
it's possible. But I know what you mean about the real deal not
living up to the memory, in most cases.

TJ

On Jul 5, 7:28*pm, sf > wrote:

> > But worst of all,
> > the rolls were always too thick and dominant.



> That's often the case - even when it's not a cheese steak sandwich.


Agreed.

TJ

On Jul 5, 10:41*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:

> My method is to put some olive oil in a skillet over medium-high heat. When
> the oil is hot, I add sliced onions and bell peppers, cooking until they're
> softened. Then I lower the heat and add sliced leftover steak, stirring it
> around briefly. I put a slice of provolone on top and let the whole thing
> sit undisturbed until the cheese is mostly melted and the meat is warmed
> through. Meanwhile, I toast the hoagie roll in my toaster oven. When the
> meat/cheese is ready and the bun is toasted, I scoop the meat into the bun.

On Jul 6, 1:01*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:


> Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.



I can believe that. Yeah, forget the New York/Philly thing, some
people make a nationality thing out of it, as if nobody other than an
Italian can make pizza. That's funny stuff. My favorite mexican
joint in the Hollywood Cal area was owned by an arab guy. Yes, I have
no trouble believing the albanian story. In fact, now that I think
about it, the object of most nationalities is to become so successful
that they can pay people of other nationalities to cook for them. hah
hah hah hah hah

TJ

Steve wrote:

> Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.

Was it Famiglia, the same place that Donald Trump took Sarah Palin for
pizza?

Bob

Bob Terwilliger > wrote:

>Steve wrote:
>
>> Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.
>
>Was it Famiglia, the same place that Donald Trump took Sarah Palin for
>pizza?

No it was out on Flatbush

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>
>
> I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
> me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W

A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
unfurnished apartment.

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Steve Pope > wrote:
>Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.
>>
>>Was it Famiglia, the same place that Donald Trump took Sarah Palin for
>>pizza?
>
>No it was out on Flatbush
>
It actually comes up on a google search:

Antonio's Pizza
318 Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn, NY 11238-4302
antoniosbrooklyn.com

Steve

On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> I HATE SHOPPING.

How do you end up with any food to cook if you hate shopping so much?


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On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> On Jul 6, 1:01*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>
> > Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.
>
>
>
> I can believe that. Yeah, forget the New York/Philly thing, some
> people make a nationality thing out of it, as if nobody other than an
> Italian can make pizza. That's funny stuff. My favorite mexican
> joint in the Hollywood Cal area was owned by an arab guy. Yes, I have
> no trouble believing the albanian story. In fact, now that I think
> about it, the object of most nationalities is to become so successful
> that they can pay people of other nationalities to cook for them. hah
> hah hah hah hah
>
I see the skill of the cook, not the social strata of the customer.


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On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:00:14 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> Steve wrote:
>
> > Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.
>
> Was it Famiglia, the same place that Donald Trump took Sarah Palin for
> pizza?
>
Hahaha! Low blow.

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On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> But I know what you mean about the real deal not
> living up to the memory, in most cases.

Old boyfriends don't/can't either. I'd moved away and visited a few
years later. Met up with my old BF, the one I moaned over and thought
my heart would break because I couldn't be with him... and I realized
years after that the poor kid was doomed. He failed because he hadn't
changed, but if he'd shown me how much he had changed too - I would
have faulted him for that. He couldn't win, poor guy. I'd moved
on, but didn't know it at the moment.

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On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:36:11 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>
> Sounds good. And there would be no need to call it a philly steak
> sandwich. It might be even better. All things can be improved. But
> sometimes labeling can enter the brain and direct ones taste buds down
> a very narrow lane. I like the word food. Like when you give
> somebody a plate of something and they ask, "What's this?", you just
> say, "Food". Are you hungry or not?
>
> Eat, make strong like bull,
> TJ

I have no problem calling it a cheese steak, it has cheese - so it's
not a misnomer.

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"sf" > wrote
>>
> You're right. I wouldn't like a "Philly" cheese steak (cheese whiz?
> Yuck), but I like what I make, which is pretty much how you make it.

I don't like the cheese whiz either. I don't know the percentages, but many
use sliced American cheese or give the option of Provolone.

What constitutes a good steak is often a neighborhood thing. An Italian
cheesesteak has Provolone and pizza sauce, a steak hoagies had lettuce and
tomato on it.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:11:33 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Oddly enough, the best pizza in New York I've had was made by Albanians.
>>
>>Was it Famiglia, the same place that Donald Trump took Sarah Palin for
>>pizza?
>
>No it was out on Flatbush
>

Phew!<BEG> - Did you see the Jon Stewart bit on the Trump/Palin
pizza fiasco?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...th-crazy-broad
[the first 1/2 minute is political-- the rest is pure pizza]

Jim