one thing about usenet, if you don't like the pressure a poster applies,
just use that kf button, another great sgtress releiver, Lee
"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > wrote:
>
> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> > > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
> > > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
>
> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> > unfurnished apartment.
>
> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
>
> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
> sink and such.


Thanks, you expressed it better than me. When I feel obligated to
explain myself, sometimes the pressure is too much and my writing
suffers from it. SF put the pressure on me and I couldn't handle it.

TJ

that can be, if you expect furniture it say, fully furnished, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
>> > > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
>> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
>> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
>> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
>> > > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
>> >
>> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
>> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
>> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
>> > unfurnished apartment.
>>
>> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
>> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
>> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
>>
>> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
>> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
>> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
>> sink and such.
>
> I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> refrigerator, but no actual furniture *here* in the USA?
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

he's totally wrong, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:40:20 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
>> >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own
>> >> > > furniture.
>> >> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
>> >> > > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
>> >> >
>> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a
>> >> > bed,
>> >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen
>> >> > that
>> >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
>> >> > unfurnished apartment.
>> >>
>> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if
>> >> it
>> >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
>> >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
>> >>
>> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge
>> >> and
>> >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
>> >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
>> >> sink and such.
>> >
>> >I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
>> >refrigerator, but no actual furniture *here* in the USA?
>>
>> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
>> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
>> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
>
> Thanks, that's my understanding too. I would be more than mildly
> annoyed if I wasted my time viewing a "furnished" apartment that had
> no furniture in it.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
> > > > furnished place. This place, because of its label, must
> > > > provide an oven and a fridge. It's not fully furnished like
> > > > the transient style joints I stayed in when I lived in L.A.
> > > > You have to get your own furniture. Yes, buying a new fridge,
> > > > or even a used one, would be a stresser for me, that's for
> > > > sure. I hate shopping. W
> > >
> > > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a
> > > bed, a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a
> > > kitchen that includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else
> > > is still an unfurnished apartment.
> >
> > Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished'
> > if it has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has
> > a bed and dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I
> > expect.
> >
> > Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge
> > and may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas,
> > that can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just
> > hookups for a sink and such.
>
> I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?

Varies in the USA too. Yes, it can mean that. When it does, the
wording for what you look for is 'fully furnished' meaning has bed,
sofa and such.

In San Antonio Texas, my apartment was 'fully furnished' but i had the
option to drop to just 'furnished' (stove, fridge) for some 20$ less a
month. For that extra 20$ a month I had everything, even curtins. Just
starting out, it would have taken years for me to afford the bedrom set
alone.

In Hawaii, 'furnished' meant fridge and stove. I did not see any
'fully furnished' ads when I got an apartment there and could have used
them. Slept on an airmattress for several months until we paid off the
queen foldout sofa bed.

Clemson SC, furnished meant basic furniture plus the kitchen stove and
fridge. They used 'semi furnished' for just stove and fridge.
Unfurnished meant no stove or fridge.

Virginia beach, furnished means basic kitchen stove and fridge again.
Only 'fully furnished' means with a bed and such.

As far as I know, hot waterheater is automatic in the USA for
apartments.


--

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
> furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
> provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
> the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
> You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new fridge,
> or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me, that's for
> sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know -
> a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a
> kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing
> else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
> >>
> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished'
> if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has
> a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I
> expect. >>
> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
> fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
> Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops.
> Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
> >
> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
>
> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.

Yup, and the ad says 'fully furnished'.

--

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:40:20 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >>
> > >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
> > furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
> > provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
> > the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
> > You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new
> > fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me,
> > that's for sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
> > >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know
> > - a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment
> > with a kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but
> > nothing else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
> > >>
> > >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it
> > 'furnished' if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is
> > used it it has a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws
> > and patterns I expect. >>
> > >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
> > fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
> > Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our
> > countertops. Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
> > >
> > > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> > > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
> >
> > That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
> > fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
> > furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
>
> Thanks, that's my understanding too. I would be more than mildly
> annoyed if I wasted my time viewing a "furnished" apartment that had
> no furniture in it.

Then get ready for a shock if you ever move about the USA and actually
look at apartments.

Sheldon as usual is pulling your leg or doesnt know his own country.

--

Gorio wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> cshenk;1634864 Wrote:
> > Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > -
> > On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" wrote:
> > -
> > The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> > fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you
> > can be hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.-
> >
> >
> >
> > Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
> > stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn
> > there's something to pay. Everything has its positives and
> > negatives, and when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world,
> > content in the knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had
> > it right all along - till something goes wrong and I begin to
> > wonder about it. But with me renting vs owning was never an option
> > anyway as I really can't even begin to imagine having the cash to
> > own or even rent a house. It's not a contest or argument. I can
> > see the positives either way. The only way I would own a house is
> > if someone gave it to me. But even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I
> > would choose an apartment over a house. Top floor, not too high,
> > with the windows always open, a fan blowing air out or in. I think
> > of people who live in really huge homes, like mansions, and there's
> > something scary about it - like the place is so huge with so many
> > rooms that you don't know who's in there with you. You buy a big
> > home, you need a big fence. Then something to guard the fence.
> > Then something to guard the things guarding the fence. That is my
> > fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and openly admitted
> > laziness of which I am oddly proud.-
> >
> > Yup. One makes choices. I chose to move me and my family about the
> > world for 26 years in the Navy. That meant apartment dwelling
> > until we hit a sweet deal on this house. It was the right time for
> > us and unlike many fools, we took a straight fixed mortgage at what
> > the banker was saying was foolish but over time, we were dead on
> > right. We paid more in the first years but it did not go up and we
> > could bank the excess once we had it.
> >
> > Now, I could not touch an apartment for 800$ a month which is my
> > total mortgage and taxes/insurance payment. Instead, I have a 4 BR
> > 1.5 bath with fully fenced backyard and a fireplace. House will be
> > paid off in about 6 years so it will drop to about 350$
> > tax/insurance well before I hit retirement age.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> Smart man. You saw the scam and thought with some common sense. I
> bought my first house fifteen years ago, and moved up to a very nice
> home in the country, with acreage. I'm paying $630/month. I have to
> also pay to maintain it; but it is an appreciable asset even with the
> economy down. Since it's affordable, I bought some land that I use
> for camping and hope to build my retirement crib there.
>
> I'm about 8 principle payments from paying off my home and another 15
> on my other property.

Yup! I don't need extra property but the one i have if i want to pay
off faster, I can. I like the tax advantage i have now as i have hit
my max earning cycle.

Had i followed the greedy eyed banker and realtor who said 'but you
qualify for (obscene amount) and in the first years it will only be
(low amount)' I'd have lost my shirt like so many. I bought well under
what i 'qualified' for. I bought best i could afford the monthly
payments for in a sellers market. Snapped this one up at full asking
price of and held on for dear life.

--

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 6, 8:20*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> > Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > > The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is
> > > > no one fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity
> > > > but you can be hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.
> >
> > > * *Good luck with Aunti Mabel. *Yes, what you say above was just
> > > stressed by me in another post. *No matter which way you turn
> > > there's something to pay. *Everything has its positives and
> > > negatives, and when things are going ok I'm laughing at the
> > > world, content in the knowledge that I made the right decision,
> > > that I had it right all along - till something goes wrong and I
> > > begin to wonder about it. *But with me renting vs owning was
> > > never an option anyway as I really can't even begin to imagine
> > > having the cash to own or even rent a house. It's not a contest
> > > or argument. *I can see the positives either way. The only way I
> > > would own a house is if someone gave it to me. *But even if I hit
> > > the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a house.
> > > *Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
> > > blowing air out or in. *I think of people who live in really huge
> > > homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like
> > > the place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's
> > > in there with you. *You buy a big home, you need a big fence.
> > > *Then something to guard the fence. *Then something to guard the
> > > things guarding the fence. *That is my fear of ownership - lack
> > > of responsibility and openly admitted laziness of which I am
> > > oddly proud.
> >
> > Yup. *One makes choices. *I chose to move me and my family about the
> > world for 26 years in the Navy. *That meant apartment dwelling
> > until we hit a sweet deal on this house. *It was the right time for
> > us and unlike many fools, we took a straight fixed mortgage at what
> > the banker was saying was foolish but over time, we were dead on
> > right. *We paid more in the first years but it did not go up and we
> > could bank the excess once we had it.
> >
> > Now, I could not touch an apartment for 800$ a month which is my
> > total mortgage and taxes/insurance payment. *Instead, I have a 4 BR
> > 1.5 bath with fully fenced backyard and a fireplace. *House will be
> > paid off in about 6 years so it will drop to about 350$
> > tax/insurance well before I hit retirement age.
>
>
> As an adult I have never lived in an apartment with a bedroom. All
> I've lived in are singles. I don't mind a bit. Hell, I could take
> this room and cut it in half and still be satisfied. Even if I hit
> the lottery I'd still live in an apartment. But there is no argument
> on the issue, that would be stupid and wasteful. When I moved in here
> 16 years ago the rent was $210. Now it's $420. That's very low, but
> now so low when you're out there driving a cab and making less than
> $150 a week of late. So it's all relative really. Sometimes I feel
> fortunate just to have a roof over my head. I won't argue that
> either, but I think it can be a good way to think sometimes. My view
> is that everyone is renting one way or another. All who live must
> die. That's when the lease is up.

Yup. In Hawaii when Don and i first met and later married, we had a 1
room sort. 27th story with a glorious night view out the patio door to
a tiny porch.

The kitchen was quite a laugh as you could not open the stove and the
fridge at the same time but it worked for us. If it were just me, it
would work fine even today.


--

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:11:21 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
> > > > > furnished place. This place, because of its label, must
> > > > > provide an oven and a fridge. It's not fully furnished like
> > > > > the transient style joints I stayed in when I lived in L.A.
> > > > > You have to get your own furniture. Yes, buying a new fridge,
> > > > > or even a used one, would be a stresser for me, that's for
> > > > > sure. I hate shopping. W
> > > >
> > > > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a
> > > > bed, a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a
> > > > kitchen that includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else
> > > > is still an unfurnished apartment.
> > >
> > > Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished'
> > > if it has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has
> > > a bed and dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I
> > > expect.
> > >
> > > Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge
> > > and may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas,
> > > that can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just
> > > hookups for a sink and such.
> >
> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
>
> Varies in the USA too. Yes, it can mean that. When it does, the
> wording for what you look for is 'fully furnished' meaning has bed,
> sofa and such.
>
> In San Antonio Texas, my apartment was 'fully furnished' but i had the
> option to drop to just 'furnished' (stove, fridge) for some 20$ less a
> month. For that extra 20$ a month I had everything, even curtins. Just
> starting out, it would have taken years for me to afford the bedrom set
> alone.
>
> In Hawaii, 'furnished' meant fridge and stove. I did not see any
> 'fully furnished' ads when I got an apartment there and could have used
> them. Slept on an airmattress for several months until we paid off the
> queen foldout sofa bed.
>
> Clemson SC, furnished meant basic furniture plus the kitchen stove and
> fridge. They used 'semi furnished' for just stove and fridge.
> Unfurnished meant no stove or fridge.
>
> Virginia beach, furnished means basic kitchen stove and fridge again.
> Only 'fully furnished' means with a bed and such.

I only see "fully furnished" used to describe vacation rentals. Here,
stoves and refrigerators are standard in apartments.
>
> As far as I know, hot waterheater is automatic in the USA for
> apartments.

I certainly hope so!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:13:17 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Then get ready for a shock if you ever move about the USA and actually
> look at apartments.

When I do international rentals, I'll learn the local customs and
adapt. In the mean time, the US is a big enough place to talk about.
No need to muddy the waters or are you playing to win?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:48:39 -0500, Lou Decruss
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still
> > > recovering from 50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had
> > > to contract out 25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves.
> > > Lets just say we got into the house by walking through what used
> > > to be the wall of the 4th bedroom.
> >
> > That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid
> > of. It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at
> > it and wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now.
> > I lost 20% but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never
> > know.
>
> Much more likely you were foreclosed for non payment of mortgage and
> taxes and your cocain snorting ass kicked out.
>
> Cshenk is a BSer, she keyboard kooked those numbers, it's near
> impossible to cause $50K damage to a structure save burning it to the
> ground... but more importantly anyone who rents their house would have
> added a landlord's rider to their homeowners ins, I do that all the
> time, and the tenant pays the premium as I calculate the cost as part
> of their rent, about $60/mo or $2/day... and still the regular
> homeowner's insurance covers most of the damage anyway, and for that
> kind of alleged damage a landlord would have gone to court and
> obtained a judgement against the tenant for damage and any back rent
> and future lost rent... and for that kind of alleged damage the tenant
> would have been convicted and put in prison (the insurance company
> would have brought charges even if the homeowner didn't), and still
> owe the money judgement. I also tell every tenant to obtain renters
> ins. and have them sign that they were apprised, but I can't force
> them to buy ins... renters insurance covers their belongings,
> liability, etc, and pays for temporary housing for several months in
> case of fire, flood or the stucture is otherwise rendered
> uninhabitable... renters ins is a rider one can add to their
> automobile ins., typically costs about $30/mo or $1/day. Most tenants
> do not buy renter's ins., for the same reason that tenants are
> tenants. But Cshenk is lying here... I've been a landlord far too
> long for her and Lou our resident druggie to BS me.

Pray tell when they can not find the tenants (police were all over
looking for them for other issues) how you take them to court? My
insurance paid what they could but there was no date to attach to the
damage. Their renters insurance was not paid and my household
insurance did not cover damage that may have been 4 years before my
return stateside. There is a date limit on claims.

As to how you can have 50,000$ of damage, try this set for size. That
is the estimated cost of professional installers.

Back bedroom, access house by walking what used to be the wall. Alone
the mold and other damage was 50,000$ if restored to a full bedroom to
new specs (older ones used, rebuild did not grandfather and roof had to
be raised, went sunroom instead for 12,000).

Front picture window propped in place with 2x4, water damage inside
living room fairly extensive.

HVAC compressor removed and taken with them (Train unit).

Both bathroom windows broken out, water damage to walls.

Outlets mostly ripped out of walls in such a way as to require
structural repair before electrican work to reseat boxes.

Dog pee to the point of sub-wood flooring removal and replacement in 1
room (third bedroom)

Chimny cap ripped off so rain poured in (1,825$ in mortor repairs and
could have sheared off the house with one more winter).

Flame burned linoleum in kitchen and bathroom (cigarettes apparently
put out on the floor).

Patio door to back porch ripped off and propped by 2x4, metal runners
not fixable.

Every light fixture busted to the point of having to replace them, some
requiring structural repair to add a new fixture in first.

Missing doors interior stacked in garage (hey, at least they left some
of them!)

I can go on but that's enough of it.

They dissapeared in the night 3 months before we got back stateside
owing 2 months back rent. Police are still looking for them for things
not related to us and if they catch them, anything they have, we are
bottom of the barrel to get renumerated for.

Post your crap if you wish. I've lived the reality unlike you. Also
unlike you, my neighbors were really happy to see us back (no wonder
but it wasnt just the renters from hell they were too embarrassed to
email us about).

You are full of shit this time.

--

seems to me that the people this one attacts are people with a real life
good or bad, and he tries to make himself feel better by denying your life
because if he acknowledges it, he would also have to admit he has othibg,
ohh those porr kittys,, Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:48:39 -0500, Lou Decruss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still
>> > > recovering from 50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had
>> > > to contract out 25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves.
>> > > Lets just say we got into the house by walking through what used
>> > > to be the wall of the 4th bedroom.
>> >
>> > That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid
>> > of. It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at
>> > it and wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now.
>> > I lost 20% but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never
>> > know.
>>
>> Much more likely you were foreclosed for non payment of mortgage and
>> taxes and your cocain snorting ass kicked out.
>>
>> Cshenk is a BSer, she keyboard kooked those numbers, it's near
>> impossible to cause $50K damage to a structure save burning it to the
>> ground... but more importantly anyone who rents their house would have
>> added a landlord's rider to their homeowners ins, I do that all the
>> time, and the tenant pays the premium as I calculate the cost as part
>> of their rent, about $60/mo or $2/day... and still the regular
>> homeowner's insurance covers most of the damage anyway, and for that
>> kind of alleged damage a landlord would have gone to court and
>> obtained a judgement against the tenant for damage and any back rent
>> and future lost rent... and for that kind of alleged damage the tenant
>> would have been convicted and put in prison (the insurance company
>> would have brought charges even if the homeowner didn't), and still
>> owe the money judgement. I also tell every tenant to obtain renters
>> ins. and have them sign that they were apprised, but I can't force
>> them to buy ins... renters insurance covers their belongings,
>> liability, etc, and pays for temporary housing for several months in
>> case of fire, flood or the stucture is otherwise rendered
>> uninhabitable... renters ins is a rider one can add to their
>> automobile ins., typically costs about $30/mo or $1/day. Most tenants
>> do not buy renter's ins., for the same reason that tenants are
>> tenants. But Cshenk is lying here... I've been a landlord far too
>> long for her and Lou our resident druggie to BS me.
>
> Pray tell when they can not find the tenants (police were all over
> looking for them for other issues) how you take them to court? My
> insurance paid what they could but there was no date to attach to the
> damage. Their renters insurance was not paid and my household
> insurance did not cover damage that may have been 4 years before my
> return stateside. There is a date limit on claims.
>
> As to how you can have 50,000$ of damage, try this set for size. That
> is the estimated cost of professional installers.
>
> Back bedroom, access house by walking what used to be the wall. Alone
> the mold and other damage was 50,000$ if restored to a full bedroom to
> new specs (older ones used, rebuild did not grandfather and roof had to
> be raised, went sunroom instead for 12,000).
>
> Front picture window propped in place with 2x4, water damage inside
> living room fairly extensive.
>
> HVAC compressor removed and taken with them (Train unit).
>
> Both bathroom windows broken out, water damage to walls.
>
> Outlets mostly ripped out of walls in such a way as to require
> structural repair before electrican work to reseat boxes.
>
> Dog pee to the point of sub-wood flooring removal and replacement in 1
> room (third bedroom)
>
> Chimny cap ripped off so rain poured in (1,825$ in mortor repairs and
> could have sheared off the house with one more winter).
>
> Flame burned linoleum in kitchen and bathroom (cigarettes apparently
> put out on the floor).
>
> Patio door to back porch ripped off and propped by 2x4, metal runners
> not fixable.
>
> Every light fixture busted to the point of having to replace them, some
> requiring structural repair to add a new fixture in first.
>
> Missing doors interior stacked in garage (hey, at least they left some
> of them!)
>
> I can go on but that's enough of it.
>
> They dissapeared in the night 3 months before we got back stateside
> owing 2 months back rent. Police are still looking for them for things
> not related to us and if they catch them, anything they have, we are
> bottom of the barrel to get renumerated for.
>
> Post your crap if you wish. I've lived the reality unlike you. Also
> unlike you, my neighbors were really happy to see us back (no wonder
> but it wasnt just the renters from hell they were too embarrassed to
> email us about).
>
> You are full of shit this time.
>
> --
>

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:12:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
>> furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
>> provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
>> the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
>> You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new fridge,
>> or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me, that's for
>> sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
>> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know -
>> a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a
>> kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing
>> else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
>> >>
>> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished'
>> if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has
>> a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I
>> expect. >>
>> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
>> fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
>> Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops.
>> Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
>> >
>> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
>> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
>>
>> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
>> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
>> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
>
>Yup, and the ad says 'fully furnished'.

No, furnished means has all the basics, at least as much as a motel
room, bed, dresser night stands, lamps, kitchen set, sofa and side
chair, coffee table, lamp tables, lamps, etc., every room would have
the basics. Fully furnished means everything above plus basic
cookware, dinnerware, eating utensils, can opener, linens, towels, and
other niceities such as pictures, mirrors, window treatments, etc...
could be more or less but basically someone can move in and have
enough to start living by only bringing personal effects and
groceries. It'd be really dumb to write 'furnished' for an empty
apartment... folks would take one look and leave thinking the landlord
was mentally ill. Maybe where you live rentals don't come with a
terlit seat let alone a complimentary roll of TP.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:13:17 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:40:20 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
>> > furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
>> > provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
>> > the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
>> > You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new
>> > fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me,
>> > that's for sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
>> > >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know
>> > - a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment
>> > with a kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but
>> > nothing else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
>> > >>
>> > >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it
>> > 'furnished' if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is
>> > used it it has a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws
>> > and patterns I expect. >>
>> > >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
>> > fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
>> > Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our
>> > countertops. Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
>> > >
>> > > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
>> > > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
>> >
>> > That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
>> > fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
>> > furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
>>
>> Thanks, that's my understanding too. I would be more than mildly
>> annoyed if I wasted my time viewing a "furnished" apartment that had
>> no furniture in it.
>
>Then get ready for a shock if you ever move about the USA and actually
>look at apartments.
>
>Sheldon as usual is pulling your leg or doesnt know his own country.

Schenk is addicted to some kind of mind altering substance, obviously
has never had her own abode, she sponges accomodations from relatives,
when she's not residing at the local homeless shelter.

Lee wrote about clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz:

> seems to me that the people this one attacts are people with a real life
> good or bad, and he tries to make himself feel better by denying your life
> because if he acknowledges it, he would also have to admit he has othibg,
> ohh those porr kittys,, Lee

That's supposed to be, "he has nothing," right? But that's not entirely
accurate. Besides his cats, Pussy has his fifty-pound bags of steel-cut
oats, his digital camera, and a never-ending supply of paranoid delusions
from the voices in his head.

ANYWAY...

I like country-style pork ribs in coconut milk with Thai yellow curry,
broccoli, and red bell peppers.

Bob

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:07:26 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:12:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
> >> furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
> >> provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
> >> the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
> >> You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new fridge,
> >> or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me, that's for
> >> sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
> >> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know -
> >> a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a
> >> kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing
> >> else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
> >> >>
> >> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished'
> >> if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has
> >> a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I
> >> expect. >>
> >> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
> >> fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
> >> Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops.
> >> Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
> >> >
> >> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> >> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
> >>
> >> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
> >> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
> >> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
> >
> >Yup, and the ad says 'fully furnished'.
>
> No, furnished means has all the basics, at least as much as a motel
> room, bed, dresser night stands, lamps, kitchen set, sofa and side
> chair, coffee table, lamp tables, lamps, etc., every room would have
> the basics. Fully furnished means everything above plus basic
> cookware, dinnerware, eating utensils, can opener, linens, towels, and
> other niceities such as pictures, mirrors, window treatments, etc...
> could be more or less but basically someone can move in and have
> enough to start living by only bringing personal effects and
> groceries. It'd be really dumb to write 'furnished' for an empty
> apartment... folks would take one look and leave

Thank you! Business and vacation rentals say "fully furnished"
(meaning includes pillows and sheets on the bed; dishes, silverware
and cookware in the kitchen), and sometimes it even includes a
washer/dryer inside the unit.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

yes it was supposed to be nothing, lol, does that yellow go with the
broccoli? i have eatin very little indian food, the dh doesn't care for it
so only when we eat do i ever get it, he does the majority of the physical
cooking, and he is so not into indian food, its not fair to force it on him,
his adverse reaction is from a college roommate that was hidious with curry
powder, when you walked in the front door it assualted you, i wasn't
interested for years,

Lee
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> Lee wrote about clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz:
>
>> seems to me that the people this one attacts are people with a real life
>> good or bad, and he tries to make himself feel better by denying your
>> life because if he acknowledges it, he would also have to admit he has
>> othibg, ohh those porr kittys,, Lee
>
> That's supposed to be, "he has nothing," right? But that's not entirely
> accurate. Besides his cats, Pussy has his fifty-pound bags of steel-cut
> oats, his digital camera, and a never-ending supply of paranoid delusions
> from the voices in his head.
>
> ANYWAY...
>
> I like country-style pork ribs in coconut milk with Thai yellow curry,
> broccoli, and red bell peppers.
>
> Bob
>

you have to understand that it has differen definitions, which is why you
always call before looking, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:07:26 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:12:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> >Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
>> >> furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
>> >> provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
>> >> the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
>> >> You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new fridge,
>> >> or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me, that's for
>> >> sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
>> >> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know -
>> >> a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a
>> >> kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing
>> >> else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished'
>> >> if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has
>> >> a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I
>> >> expect. >>
>> >> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
>> >> fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
>> >> Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops.
>> >> Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
>> >> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
>> >>
>> >> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
>> >> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
>> >> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
>> >
>> >Yup, and the ad says 'fully furnished'.
>>
>> No, furnished means has all the basics, at least as much as a motel
>> room, bed, dresser night stands, lamps, kitchen set, sofa and side
>> chair, coffee table, lamp tables, lamps, etc., every room would have
>> the basics. Fully furnished means everything above plus basic
>> cookware, dinnerware, eating utensils, can opener, linens, towels, and
>> other niceities such as pictures, mirrors, window treatments, etc...
>> could be more or less but basically someone can move in and have
>> enough to start living by only bringing personal effects and
>> groceries. It'd be really dumb to write 'furnished' for an empty
>> apartment... folks would take one look and leave
>
> Thank you! Business and vacation rentals say "fully furnished"
> (meaning includes pillows and sheets on the bed; dishes, silverware
> and cookware in the kitchen), and sometimes it even includes a
> washer/dryer inside the unit.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

i left out out, i meant to say i only eat it sometimes when we eat out, lee
s
"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> yes it was supposed to be nothing, lol, does that yellow go with the
> broccoli? i have eatin very little indian food, the dh doesn't care for
> it so only when we eat do i ever get it, he does the majority of the
> physical cooking, and he is so not into indian food, its not fair to force
> it on him, his adverse reaction is from a college roommate that was
> hidious with curry powder, when you walked in the front door it assualted
> you, i wasn't interested for years,
>
> Lee
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> Lee wrote about clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz:
>>
>>> seems to me that the people this one attacts are people with a real life
>>> good or bad, and he tries to make himself feel better by denying your
>>> life because if he acknowledges it, he would also have to admit he has
>>> othibg, ohh those porr kittys,, Lee
>>
>> That's supposed to be, "he has nothing," right? But that's not entirely
>> accurate. Besides his cats, Pussy has his fifty-pound bags of steel-cut
>> oats, his digital camera, and a never-ending supply of paranoid delusions
>> from the voices in his head.
>>
>> ANYWAY...
>>
>> I like country-style pork ribs in coconut milk with Thai yellow curry,
>> broccoli, and red bell peppers.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>

Lee wrote:

>> I like country-style pork ribs in coconut milk with Thai yellow curry,
>> broccoli, and red bell peppers.
>>
> does that yellow go with the broccoli? i have eatin very little indian
> food, the dh doesn't care for it so only when we eat do i ever get it, he
> does the majority of the physical cooking, and he is so not into indian
> food, its not fair to force it on him, his adverse reaction is from a
> college roommate that was hidious with curry powder, when you walked in
> the front door it assualted you, i wasn't interested for years

Yellow curry goes *splendidly* with broccoli. Thai curries are very
different from Indian curries; it's likely that your husband wouldn't
associate Thai curries with the smell he remembers from his college days.
They're alike in name only; they don't smell the same at all.

I can think of five "main" Thai curries: red, yellow, green, Masaman, and
Panang. Panang curry with beef is possibly the most beloved Thai curry in
existence.

Bob

well it would be the taste, he has very little sense of smell but when we
went into his apt, it would gag him, i am not sure what it was the last time
we ate with his sister, was something with chicken, spicey and not too hot,
but while i kniw there were some sort of vegegtables i can't remember atm, i
am tired and the rain is screwing with baseball, Lee


"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> Lee wrote:
>
>>> I like country-style pork ribs in coconut milk with Thai yellow curry,
>>> broccoli, and red bell peppers.
>>>
>> does that yellow go with the broccoli? i have eatin very little indian
>> food, the dh doesn't care for it so only when we eat do i ever get it, he
>> does the majority of the physical cooking, and he is so not into indian
>> food, its not fair to force it on him, his adverse reaction is from a
>> college roommate that was hidious with curry powder, when you walked in
>> the front door it assualted you, i wasn't interested for years
>
> Yellow curry goes *splendidly* with broccoli. Thai curries are very
> different from Indian curries; it's likely that your husband wouldn't
> associate Thai curries with the smell he remembers from his college days.
> They're alike in name only; they don't smell the same at all.
>
> I can think of five "main" Thai curries: red, yellow, green, Masaman, and
> Panang. Panang curry with beef is possibly the most beloved Thai curry in
> existence.
>
> Bob
>

On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:18:28 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> I can think of five "main" Thai curries: red, yellow, green, Masaman, and
> Panang. Panang curry with beef is possibly the most beloved Thai curry in
> existence.

I haven't even heard of it. OTOH, Massaman (spelled Mussman at my
local Thai restaurant) is really good.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf wrote:

>> Panang curry with beef is possibly the most beloved Thai curry in
>> existence.
>
> I haven't even heard of it. OTOH, Massaman (spelled Mussman at my
> local Thai restaurant) is really good.

Masaman is for Muslims. Literally. It's a corruption of the word
"Mussulman," which means "Muslim."

One of my Thai cookbooks includes a conversation between the author and some
Thai schoolgirls. The author asks, "What's your favorite curry?" and gets a
variety of answers. The last one questioned replies, "Panang Nya" (Panang
curry with beef). The other schoolgirls protest, "Panang Nya doesn't count.
That's EVERYBODY'S favorite!"

You ought to try it at least once.

Bob

On Jul 7, 6:54*am, Andy > wrote:

> TJ,
>
> I chalk it up to a terrible piece of real estate. For anyone to take it
> over would simply be a bad investment!
>
> It was once my hair stylist, then a one-man-band burger joint, than this
> place.
>
> We locals patronized them more than the general public but that's never
> enough to succeed.


I don't care how or why they went down, as long as they went
down. I love to see businesses fail. I mean, just for kicks, if you
know what I mean. For every failure there is a success waiting to
take its place, that is my new motto in life (unless the motto applies
to me).


TJ

On Jul 7, 7:36*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> The kitchen was quite a laugh as you could not open the stove and the
> fridge at the same time but it worked for us. If it were just me, it
> would work fine even today.


I could live in a monks room, minus the robe. To each their own,
but I'm sometimes amazed I don't meet more people who agree with my
way of thinking. I've met a few. Ask yourself, what would I do if I
hit the lottery? The big lottery. The one where you never have to
work again or worry about money even if you choose to give gobs of it
away. Me? I would never move into a large place. I'd like room to
move around, and a bunch of windows - I like windows, and I like them
open - but the amount of space would mean nothing as now with all that
cash the world becomes my playground - and the world is a pretty big
place. I don't want a place so big I don't know who's sleeping down
the hall.

TJ

On Jul 7, 7:38*pm, sf > wrote
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:11:21 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:


> > As far as I know, hot waterheater is automatic in the USA for
> > apartments.


> I certainly hope so!


Doesn't mean it has to work though.

TJ

On Jul 7, 8:15*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Post your crap if you wish. *I've lived the reality unlike you. Also
> unlike you, my neighbors were really happy to see us back (no wonder
> but it wasnt just the renters from hell they were too embarrassed to
> email us about).
>
> You are full of shit this time.



I am not in this issue. Ok, now I am. I can go either way, but
I have a theory that everything comes from the top. When someone
rents something to someone and isn't around to see how they use it, I
suppose maybe they really don't care about what they're renting as
much as whatever they did in their absence.

I would never have enough money to rent a place out to someone
else. In a way, thank God for that. I can't claim to have any
knowledge about the reality field. But I think patience is the name
of the game. I have wrecked many an apartment I've stayed in, I'll
admit. Not maliciously. But I left a few in worse shape than when I
got there. Of course they weren't in very good shape then either.

Once a person decides to rent something, they have forfeited at
least some percentage of their right to complain about what happens
afterwards. That is my verdict, based mainly on your comment that
your neighbors were happy to see you back. That means you never
should have left, or you should have left your place vacant when you
did. But once again, as always, I had to chime in on something that
caught my attention.

TJ

On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:29:23 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> On Jul 7, 7:38*pm, sf > wrote
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:11:21 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>
> > > As far as I know, hot waterheater is automatic in the USA for
> > > apartments.
>
>
> > I certainly hope so!
>
>
> Doesn't mean it has to work though.
>
I don't know what the laws are where you live, but if you're a renter
in this area - you get a working water heater.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:13:17 -0500, cshenk wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> Thanks, that's my understanding too. I would be more than mildly
>> annoyed if I wasted my time viewing a "furnished" apartment that had
>> no furniture in it.
>
> Then get ready for a shock if you ever move about the USA and actually
> look at apartments.
>
> Sheldon as usual is pulling your leg or doesnt know his own country.

sheldon doesn't know chicken salad from chicken shit.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:32:22 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Lee wrote about clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz:
>
>> seems to me that the people this one attacts are people with a real life
>> good or bad, and he tries to make himself feel better by denying your life
>> because if he acknowledges it, he would also have to admit he has othibg,
>> ohh those porr kittys,, Lee
>
> That's supposed to be, "he has nothing," right? But that's not entirely
> accurate. Besides his cats, Pussy has his fifty-pound bags of steel-cut
> oats, his digital camera, and a never-ending supply of paranoid delusions
> from the voices in his head.

but don't forget, the cats have museum-quality bowls!

your pal,
blake

ok i'll give him a point for good cat accessories, Lee
"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:32:22 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lee wrote about clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz:
>>
>>> seems to me that the people this one attacts are people with a real life
>>> good or bad, and he tries to make himself feel better by denying your
>>> life
>>> because if he acknowledges it, he would also have to admit he has
>>> othibg,
>>> ohh those porr kittys,, Lee
>>
>> That's supposed to be, "he has nothing," right? But that's not entirely
>> accurate. Besides his cats, Pussy has his fifty-pound bags of steel-cut
>> oats, his digital camera, and a never-ending supply of paranoid delusions
>> from the voices in his head.
>
> but don't forget, the cats have museum-quality bowls!
>
> your pal,
> blake

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:12:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >> >
> >> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
> >> furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
> >> provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
> >> the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
> >> You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new
> fridge, >> or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me,
> that's for >> sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
> >> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know
> - >> a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment
> with a >> kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but
> nothing >> else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
> >> >>
> >> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it
> 'furnished' >> if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is
> used it it has >> a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local
> laws and patterns I >> expect. >>
> >> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
> >> fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
> >> Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our
> countertops. >> Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
> >> >
> >> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove
> and >> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
> >>
> >> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
> >> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
> >> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
> >
> > Yup, and the ad says 'fully furnished'.
>
> No, furnished means has all the basics, at least as much as a motel
> room, bed, dresser night stands, lamps, kitchen set, sofa and side
> chair, coffee table, lamp tables, lamps, etc., every room would have
> the basics. Fully furnished means everything above plus basic
> cookware, dinnerware, eating utensils, can opener, linens, towels, and
> other niceities such as pictures, mirrors, window treatments, etc...
> could be more or less but basically someone can move in and have
> enough to start living by only bringing personal effects and
> groceries. It'd be really dumb to write 'furnished' for an empty
> apartment... folks would take one look and leave thinking the landlord
> was mentally ill. Maybe where you live rentals don't come with a
> terlit seat let alone a complimentary roll of TP.

LOL! Ok, I'll keep in mind that in your area, thats how it works!

I've never seen any area where 'fully furnished' added all that!


--

only in SRO Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:12:03 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> wrote: >> >
>> >> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called
>> >> furnished >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must
>> >> provide an oven and a >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like
>> >> the transient style joints I >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A.
>> >> You have to get your own furniture. >> > > Yes, buying a new
>> fridge, >> or even a used one, would be a stresser >> > > for me,
>> that's for >> sure. I hate shopping. W >> >
>> >> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know
>> - >> a bed, >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment
>> with a >> kitchen that >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but
>> nothing >> else is still an >> > unfurnished apartment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it
>> 'furnished' >> if it >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is
>> used it it has >> a bed and >> dresser etc. Has to do with local
>> laws and patterns I >> expect. >>
>> >> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or
>> >> fridge and >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not.
>> >> Overseas, that >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our
>> countertops. >> Just hookups for a >> sink and such.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove
>> and >> > refrigerator, but no actual furniture here in the USA?
>> >>
>> >> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
>> >> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
>> >> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.
>> >
>> > Yup, and the ad says 'fully furnished'.
>>
>> No, furnished means has all the basics, at least as much as a motel
>> room, bed, dresser night stands, lamps, kitchen set, sofa and side
>> chair, coffee table, lamp tables, lamps, etc., every room would have
>> the basics. Fully furnished means everything above plus basic
>> cookware, dinnerware, eating utensils, can opener, linens, towels, and
>> other niceities such as pictures, mirrors, window treatments, etc...
>> could be more or less but basically someone can move in and have
>> enough to start living by only bringing personal effects and
>> groceries. It'd be really dumb to write 'furnished' for an empty
>> apartment... folks would take one look and leave thinking the landlord
>> was mentally ill. Maybe where you live rentals don't come with a
>> terlit seat let alone a complimentary roll of TP.
>
> LOL! Ok, I'll keep in mind that in your area, thats how it works!
>
> I've never seen any area where 'fully furnished' added all that!
>
>
> --
>

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 7, 8:15*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Post your crap if you wish. *I've lived the reality unlike you. Also
> > unlike you, my neighbors were really happy to see us back (no wonder
> > but it wasnt just the renters from hell they were too embarrassed to
> > email us about).
> >
> > You are full of shit this time.
>
>
>
> I am not in this issue. Ok, now I am. I can go either way, but
> I have a theory that everything comes from the top. When someone
> rents something to someone and isn't around to see how they use it, I
> suppose maybe they really don't care about what they're renting as
> much as whatever they did in their absence.
>
> I would never have enough money to rent a place out to someone
> else. In a way, thank God for that. I can't claim to have any
> knowledge about the reality field. But I think patience is the name
> of the game. I have wrecked many an apartment I've stayed in, I'll
> admit. Not maliciously. But I left a few in worse shape than when I
> got there. Of course they weren't in very good shape then either.
>
> Once a person decides to rent something, they have forfeited at
> least some percentage of their right to complain about what happens
> afterwards. That is my verdict, based mainly on your comment that
> your neighbors were happy to see you back. That means you never
> should have left, or you should have left your place vacant when you
> did. But once again, as always, I had to chime in on something that
> caught my attention.

A complicated issue here. I bought the house when I was in the Navy
and they said they had a homesteading plan so you'd prety much stay in
that spot with minimal tours elsewhere (like 1 year remote duty without
family then back). Then, they changed.

At 18 years (takes 20 to hit retirement) I was told I was moving to
Japan or I could get out and lose all benefits and the retirement. It
would be basically as if i never served, none of the stuff I had worked
for would carry over. No medical coverage in a time where my
pre-existing made me uninsurable to to Navy time service related issues.

The house could have been sold, but we rented it. We wanted it back.
We rened to a school teacher (widow) with 3 kids. In 2001, all was
well. In 2004, we could not get orders back to our area as the rules
again changed so I had to either go to Great Lakes or do what i did
which was take a second tour in Japan. At that time, her kids were not
an issue and the rental agent was taking care of things.

Someplace in 2006, the kids went wild on her (ages 15-19 then) and she
lost control. I was in Japan. In fact, Thailand, Korea, Austrialia,
Hong Kong, Timor and such places. With so many years of checks on my
place with no issues, the inside checks from the realtor stopped as the
outside looked good. (He has since changed that policy in shock after
my place).

Most of the damage can be tracked to final blow out parties by the kids
when the lady was at work in the last few months. Finally, some really
bad stuff happened to the kids and 2 of them died. Best as we know,
she grabbed the last kid and ran to get him away from all that. She
hid well.

Even if they do find her, unless she wins a big lottery, I wont go
after her for the damages. She's had it hard enough as it is. For all
but the end she got the rent to us which let us keep the house or we
would have been yet another forclosure statistic.

I never met the lady, but i can be ****ed at the damage and feel for
her at the same time. I had to repair a house. She lost a family.

I don't know what else to say other than in the long run, I probably
got the better end of the deal.

--

On Jul 8, 1:44*am, sf > wrote:


> Doesn't mean it has to work though.



> I don't know what the laws are *where you live, but if you're a renter
> in this area - you get a working water heater.



I live on the top floor (3rd) of an apartment building that went
up in 1927. It's a pretty nice place. But the owners are sort of
absentee, as is not a rare thing, otherwise the term absentee landlord
would not even exist. They don't have to be too absence. They can be
around but just hard to get to.

I'm not complaining. Being on the top floor I get the heat from
below (when the heat is working). My radiator in the kitchen works
sometimes, but the one in my main room doesn't work at all. But I can
get by on heat from those below. Unless it's brutally cold I even
keep a window opened. I love opened windows.

Now maybe you think it a bit pussyish of me to not challenge
these people. But be assured I've brought it up. It's just sort of
ignored. I am saving it for a time of need, like when I'm ready to
stop paying rent, thinking about getting another place or whatever. I
have mentioned the radiator to these people before and they have made
excuses each time. So I just let it go. When and if it matters
enough to me, at that time I'll bring it up again.

Me not raising a stink about it is not much different from a
menial worker being called on the phone and "asked" to show up on an
off day because "we need you". That worker, depending on their
financial status, people they know who can help them out, etc., - that
worker is more than likely to agree to work that shift, out of fear
that too many refusals might result in being fired.

So you're right, yes, legally all things are supposed to work.
But even people buying homes can walk into a dolled up place. What's
behind the walls and how well it works remains to be seen. But I'm
not crying, believe me. I sometimes feel I live in luxury, even here
in this apartment with no heat and no air conditioner. Now the air
conditioner, that is my choice, as I have never lived with one in my
life. I am not some kind of anti air conditioner crusader, it's just
that I really don't care for it, and I especially hate the big units
that go in the windows. I love windows. I've got a fan in there now,
but at least you can see through it even as it whirls around. Sorry
for the length of this post.

TJ

On Jul 8, 1:44*am, sf > wrote:

> I don't know what the laws are *where you live, but if you're a renter
> in this area - you get a working water heater.


Oh, that. They're always working on it. It works most of the
time. But there's something wrong with my radiator. It needs to be
unclogged or something. Obviously I don't care or I'd take care of it
on my own or get on the owners backs more than I do. So I'm not
crying. I think this place complies with the law just enough. I hate
the law. I'm against it. I have no alternatives, I just don't like
it. Things can get over regulated, which in turn causes a greater
talent in learning how to avoid the regulations.

The evolution of one step backward,
TJ

On Jul 8, 8:33*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Even if they do find her, unless she wins a big lottery, I wont go
> after her for the damages. *She's had it hard enough as it is. *For all
> but the end she got the rent to us which let us keep the house or we
> would have been yet another forclosure statistic.
>
> I never met the lady, but i can be ****ed at the damage and feel for
> her at the same time. I had to repair a house. *She lost a family.
>
> I don't know what else to say other than in the long run, I probably
> got the better end of the deal.


I had a little trouble absorbing your words as I'm smoking weed
right now. Either that or I'm just a selfish person who spends more
time reading his own words than those of others.

I wasn't trying to put you on the defensive (well, ok, maybe, in a
way), just more or less having a little laugh at the expense of those
who embrace the idea of trying to get ahead. This usually involves a
lot of absentee-ism, it seems. It was not you or your story directly
that I was being sarcastic with, just the whole idea of people having
"agents" and others doing things for them, everything getting bigger
and bigger and further apart - and as this happens more and more
things happen as more and more arises the opportunity to blame someone
else for whatever bad things happen. I just see humor in it. I am
not against people buying homes or wanting more. But sometimes I just
can't help but see the humor when such endeavors fail and things fall
apart and the go-getters start crying the blues. I just find humor in
that. Plus, in a cowardly, roundabout way, maybe I'm still feeling a
bit defensive about brooklyn1's negative comments about tenants -
meaning me - and now that feeling is directed at you and your
unfortunate situation - which as you say may not be so unfortunate
afterall - because in reality the final result of all situations
cannot be judged until they are over.

Onward, March!
TJ

On Jul 8, 8:33*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> A complicated issue here. *I bought the house when I was in the Navy
> and they said they had a homesteading plan so you'd prety much stay in
> that spot with minimal tours elsewhere (like 1 year remote duty without
> family then back). *Then, they changed.
>
> At 18 years (takes 20 to hit retirement) I was told I was moving to
> Japan or I could get out and lose all benefits and the retirement. *It
> would be basically as if i never served, none of the stuff I had worked
> for would carry over. *No medical coverage in a time where my
> pre-existing made me uninsurable to to Navy time service related issues.


In other words - they had you at "hello". God, I love the idea of
retirement. Nothing big, just enough for food and a roof over the
head. Toilet paper now and then of course. But really, I see humor
in this too. It's like firing the 30 year worker only one day before
they qualify for retirement. Funny stuff.

TJ

On Jul 8, 8:33*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 8:15*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > > Post your crap if you wish. *I've lived the reality unlike you. Also
> > > unlike you, my neighbors were really happy to see us back (no wonder
> > > but it wasnt just the renters from hell they were too embarrassed to
> > > email us about).
>
> > > You are full of shit this time.
>
> > * * * I am not in this issue. *Ok, now I am. *I can go either way, but
> > I have a theory that everything comes from the top. *When someone
> > rents something to someone and isn't around to see how they use it, I
> > suppose maybe they really don't care about what they're renting as
> > much as whatever they did in their absence.
>
> > * * *I would never have enough money to rent a place out to someone
> > else. *In a way, thank God for that. *I can't claim to have any
> > knowledge about the reality field. *But I think patience is the name
> > of the game. *I have wrecked many an apartment I've stayed in, I'll
> > admit. *Not maliciously. *But I left a few in worse shape than when I
> > got there. *Of course they weren't in very good shape then either.
>
> > * * *Once a person decides to rent something, they have forfeited at
> > least some percentage of their right to complain about what happens
> > afterwards. *That is my verdict, based mainly on your comment that
> > your neighbors were happy to see you back. *That means you never
> > should have left, or you should have left your place vacant when you
> > did. *But once again, as always, I had to chime in on something that
> > caught my attention.
>
> A complicated issue here. *I bought the house when I was in the Navy
> and they said they had a homesteading plan so you'd prety much stay in
> that spot with minimal tours elsewhere (like 1 year remote duty without
> family then back). *Then, they changed.
>
> At 18 years (takes 20 to hit retirement) I was told I was moving to
> Japan or I could get out and lose all benefits and the retirement. *It
> would be basically as if i never served, none of the stuff I had worked
> for would carry over. *No medical coverage in a time where my
> pre-existing made me uninsurable to to Navy time service related issues.
>
> The house could have been sold, but we rented it. We wanted it back.
> We rened to a school teacher (widow) with 3 kids. *In 2001, all was
> well. In 2004, we could not get orders back to our area as the rules
> again changed so I had to either go to Great Lakes or do what i did
> which was take a second tour in Japan. *At that time, her kids were not
> an issue and the rental agent was taking care of things.
>
> Someplace in 2006, the kids went wild on her (ages 15-19 then) and she
> lost control. I was in Japan. *In fact, Thailand, Korea, Austrialia,
> Hong Kong, Timor and such places. *With so many years of checks on my
> place with no issues, the inside checks from the realtor stopped as the
> outside looked good. *(He has since changed that policy in shock after
> my place).
>
> Most of the damage can be tracked to final blow out parties by the kids
> when the lady was at work in the last few months. *Finally, some really
> bad stuff happened to the kids and 2 of them died. *Best as we know,
> she grabbed the last kid and ran to get him away from all that. *She
> hid well.
>
> Even if they do find her, unless she wins a big lottery, I wont go
> after her for the damages. *She's had it hard enough as it is. *For all
> but the end she got the rent to us which let us keep the house or we
> would have been yet another forclosure statistic.
>
> I never met the lady, but i can be ****ed at the damage and feel for
> her at the same time. I had to repair a house. *She lost a family.
>
> I don't know what else to say other than in the long run, I probably
> got the better end of the deal.


My intent was to make you feel guilty for owning something I
don't own, even if I don't want to. I wanted to make you feel guilty
because it's a habit of mine, making people feel guilty. Well, not so
much feel guilty as to just think deeper into the truth of an issue.
Like for instance, no matter whose "fault" your bad scene belonged to,
it would not have occurred had you not been absent. I know you had to
be absent, but you put yourself in that position when you joined the
navy. Guilty! Guilty as Charged. Just kidding, soft of - but let's
be honest - when things are kept small with less agents or middle-men
involved, the chances for things going wrong are decreased. At least
that's what I think. Of course, when things are kept small, the
chances of getting ahead are also decreased. So it's a trade off.
The more you want, the more you're going to get into. That is my
lesson for the day, as small and even possibly meaningless as it may
be.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 8, 8:33*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > A complicated issue here. *I bought the house when I was in the Navy
> > and they said they had a homesteading plan so you'd prety much stay
> > in that spot with minimal tours elsewhere (like 1 year remote duty
> > without family then back). *Then, they changed.
> >
> > At 18 years (takes 20 to hit retirement) I was told I was moving to
> > Japan or I could get out and lose all benefits and the retirement.
> > *It would be basically as if i never served, none of the stuff I
> > had worked for would carry over. *No medical coverage in a time
> > where my pre-existing made me uninsurable to to Navy time service
> > related issues.
>
>
> In other words - they had you at "hello". God, I love the idea of
> retirement. Nothing big, just enough for food and a roof over the
> head. Toilet paper now and then of course. But really, I see humor
> in this too. It's like firing the 30 year worker only one day before
> they qualify for retirement. Funny stuff.

Yup! They had me where the only choice was to go alone leaving the
family here for 3 years or take them with me. Of course, i took them
with me and we all loved Japan. I took a second tour since the renters
were willing to take another 3 year lease.

Either way, it's over now. Don and I are both experienced with do it
yourself repairs. My mom raised us 3 kids by what they today call
'flipping houses'. Don's done side construction jobs off and on all
his life. Had we been younger, we could have rebuilt the 4th bedroom
ourselves but instead we had it converted to a 3 season sunroom (2-3
weeks of the year it gets too cold and has to be closed off but the
rest of the year it works fine.). We finished off the insides
ourselves with a light oak panelling, sealed the slab well and put down
carpet.

You'd love that room. 2 walls are solid windows (with screens so they
open) or a double patio door leading to the backyard. The carpet is an
upscale indoor/outdoor so we can lift it out and wash it down in the
backyard periodically.

That came in real handy when we got adopted by our 14YO 'puppy' Aunti
Mabel. She'd never lived indoors and had to be housebroken. Took 3
days. I'm proud of her for being so quick about it at her age! That
was back in November, Thanksgiving week. We got her from the Beagles
to the Rescue local no-kill shelter. A foundling, they only know she
was used as a breeder and hunter. She was pregnant when found (spayed
at age 14) and had heartworms (now treated). Deaf from ear infections.
Lots of other medical issues but she's loving her first and forever
home with us.


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