On 7/8/2011 6:17 AM, news wrote:
> > wrote in message
> .com...
>> On 7/7/2011 2:21 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>> "Julie > wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> On Jul 7, 5:29 am, Nad > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am finding that I like the newer track pads better. it takes time to
>>>>> get
>>>>> use to them, but the multi finger motions are becoming second nature.
>>>
>>>> ==
>>>> I hate track pads...they're not intuitive or as easy to pinpoint the
>>>> desired object...opinions vary.
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I don't even know what a track pad is!
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/
>>>
>>> They are available for windows and macs.
>>>
>>
>> That's a beautiful piece of hardware! I hated using my laptop trackpad but
>> after constant usage for 2 years, I've learned to use it OK. On my
>> desktops, I use a trackball. I don't much care for mice.
>
> I hate mice too, they aggravate my carpal tunnel syndrome. I use keyboard
> shortcuts wherever possible, the trackpad on my laptop, and a big ol'
> Logitech trackball for the desktop.
>
>

Using a mouse is like trying to write using just your shoulders...

I sometimes test people using the computer and to prevent them from
observing my trackball clicking, I'll use it on my lap which works just
fine. Actually, it's quite a comfortable position. :-)

On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> My guess is that you
>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
>
> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
>

Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)

"dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
>>
>
> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)

In Italian it should be RAAV. Wonder what it is in farsi?

dsi1 > wrote:

> What model trackpad would you recommend? I don't have an Apple except for
> an iPad which is sorta like a multi-finger track pad in a very direct way. Thanks.

I am an Apple... Fanatic. So like the one apple sells. As for the PC I am
not sure. I do not know if the Apple one works with the PC.

http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/

There is another toy I like and that is the "LiveSribe Smart Pen". So cool!

http://www.livescribe.com/en-us/

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:45:36 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 7/8/2011 1:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>> This is Usenet. Next time someone asks where you live- tell them
>> SRIMOP and act all snooty when they ask what *that* means.<g>
>>
>> Jim
>
>OK, I'm biting this one! What's a SRIMOP?

You're *from* there and don't know?

Here's what you wrote;
>I'm writing from a small rock in the middle of the Pacific although not
>from under a rock in the middle of the Pacific. :-) My guess is that you
>won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world. That's the breaks.

I thought you'd just forgotten FIL- and were editorializing on the
prolific use of acronyms on Usenet.

SRIMOP= Small Rock In the Middle Of the Pacific.

Jim

On 7/8/2011 3:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/8/2011 6:17 AM, news wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> .com...
>>> On 7/7/2011 2:21 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>>> "Julie > wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> On Jul 7, 5:29 am, Nad > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am finding that I like the newer track pads better. it takes
>>>>>> time to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> use to them, but the multi finger motions are becoming second nature.
>>>>
>>>>> ==
>>>>> I hate track pads...they're not intuitive or as easy to pinpoint the
>>>>> desired object...opinions vary.
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't even know what a track pad is!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/
>>>>
>>>> They are available for windows and macs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a beautiful piece of hardware! I hated using my laptop
>>> trackpad but
>>> after constant usage for 2 years, I've learned to use it OK. On my
>>> desktops, I use a trackball. I don't much care for mice.
>>
>> I hate mice too, they aggravate my carpal tunnel syndrome. I use keyboard
>> shortcuts wherever possible, the trackpad on my laptop, and a big ol'
>> Logitech trackball for the desktop.
>>
>>
>
> Using a mouse is like trying to write using just your shoulders...
>
> I sometimes test people using the computer and to prevent them from
> observing my trackball clicking, I'll use it on my lap which works just
> fine. Actually, it's quite a comfortable position. :-)

I really cannot get to like touch pads or track balls even if I do have
a laptop and I've used them for more than 6 years. However, if I have
space I plug in a USB mouse. The mouse I use most frequently is a
cordless one made by Logitech and I use it one fingered. The only
slightly non-standard thing that I have programmed is to make
wheel-click a double click. The mouse-pad that I use has a padded rest
to raise my wrist about an inch and half.
--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
> >
> >> My guess is that you
> >> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
> >
> > Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
> >
>
> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)

HIL? Hawaiian in-laws?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 7/8/2011 9:28 AM, Giusi wrote:
> > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
>>>
>>
>> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
>
> In Italian it should be RAAV. Wonder what it is in farsi?
>
>

Oh no! RAAV! In Italian yet! I'm a pretty smart guy but never was very
good at word games. My friend would always want to play me Scrabble when
I'd go to his house. Now days, I pretty much always refuse to play,
although I'm might be tempted if my opponents are under the age of 10 or
so. :-)

On 7/8/2011 9:42 AM, Nad R wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> What model trackpad would you recommend? I don't have an Apple except for
>> an iPad which is sorta like a multi-finger track pad in a very direct way. Thanks.
>
> I am an Apple... Fanatic. So like the one apple sells. As for the PC I am
> not sure. I do not know if the Apple one works with the PC.
>
> http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/

OK, I'm sold. Unfortunately, I don't have a Mac. It's a great looking
piece and using multi-touch gestures seems to be an interesting
interface. I often marvel at the construction of my iPad I. The housing
is milled from a billet of aluminum alloy - a very expensive way to do
things. Everything I own is pretty much manufactured in a conventional
way - except the iPad.

>
> There is another toy I like and that is the "LiveSribe Smart Pen". So cool!
>
> http://www.livescribe.com/en-us/
>

I can't figure out how those things work. It's like those cartoons where
the character draws something with a piece of chalk and it comes to
life. My daughter had a Fly Pentop computer and could draw a calculator
keyboard that could actually be used as a calculator. That's nuts!

http://www.amazon.com/LeapFrog-37700...0163378&sr=8-3

http://tinyurl.com/3vj8sh7

On 7/8/2011 9:59 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:45:36 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/2011 1:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>
>>> This is Usenet. Next time someone asks where you live- tell them
>>> SRIMOP and act all snooty when they ask what *that* means.<g>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> OK, I'm biting this one! What's a SRIMOP?
>
> You're *from* there and don't know?
>
> Here's what you wrote;
>> I'm writing from a small rock in the middle of the Pacific although not
>>from under a rock in the middle of the Pacific. :-) My guess is that you
>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world. That's the breaks.
>
> I thought you'd just forgotten FIL- and were editorializing on the
> prolific use of acronyms on Usenet.
>
> SRIMOP= Small Rock In the Middle Of the Pacific.
>
> Jim

It all seems so obvious now...

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
> >
> >> My guess is that you
> >> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
> >
> > Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
> >
>
> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)

Sometimes you still have to ask about SIL, because it could be "son" or
"sister". That makes a big difference.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 7/8/2011 10:30 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 7/8/2011 3:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/8/2011 6:17 AM, news wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> .com...
>>>> On 7/7/2011 2:21 PM, Nad R wrote:
>>>>> "Julie > wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> On Jul 7, 5:29 am, Nad > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am finding that I like the newer track pads better. it takes
>>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> use to them, but the multi finger motions are becoming second
>>>>>>> nature.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>> I hate track pads...they're not intuitive or as easy to pinpoint the
>>>>>> desired object...opinions vary.
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't even know what a track pad is!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/
>>>>>
>>>>> They are available for windows and macs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a beautiful piece of hardware! I hated using my laptop
>>>> trackpad but
>>>> after constant usage for 2 years, I've learned to use it OK. On my
>>>> desktops, I use a trackball. I don't much care for mice.
>>>
>>> I hate mice too, they aggravate my carpal tunnel syndrome. I use
>>> keyboard
>>> shortcuts wherever possible, the trackpad on my laptop, and a big ol'
>>> Logitech trackball for the desktop.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Using a mouse is like trying to write using just your shoulders...
>>
>> I sometimes test people using the computer and to prevent them from
>> observing my trackball clicking, I'll use it on my lap which works just
>> fine. Actually, it's quite a comfortable position. :-)
>
> I really cannot get to like touch pads or track balls even if I do have
> a laptop and I've used them for more than 6 years. However, if I have
> space I plug in a USB mouse. The mouse I use most frequently is a
> cordless one made by Logitech and I use it one fingered. The only
> slightly non-standard thing that I have programmed is to make
> wheel-click a double click. The mouse-pad that I use has a padded rest
> to raise my wrist about an inch and half.

Funny how that works - I took a shine to the track ball the first time I
used one. I had one that had a big clear acrylic ball with lights
underneath that was kinda neat to use in the dark. My son uses his to
play games. I can understand people not liking the interface but it's
odd that gamers would ever want to use a mouse.

On 7/8/2011 10:36 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My guess is that you
>>>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
>>>
>>> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
>>>
>>
>> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
>
> HIL? Hawaiian in-laws?
>

Husband-in-law. :-)

On 7/8/2011 12:26 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My guess is that you
>>>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
>>>
>>> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
>>>
>>
>> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
>
> Sometimes you still have to ask about SIL, because it could be "son" or
> "sister". That makes a big difference.
>

I'd be afraid to ask. :-)

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:30:00 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> On 7/8/2011 10:36 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -1000, dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My guess is that you
> >>>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
> >>>
> >>> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
> >
> > HIL? Hawaiian in-laws?
> >
>
> Husband-in-law. :-)

That *did* cross my mind, but it was less believable than the other H.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:26:57 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

> Sometimes you still have to ask about SIL, because it could be "son" or
> "sister". That makes a big difference.

Usually the context makes it clear and when it doesn't - the
relationship doesn't matter (at least it doesn't for me).

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

dsi1 > wrote:
>>
>> There is another toy I like and that is the "LiveSribe Smart Pen". So cool!
>>
>> http://www.livescribe.com/en-us/

> I can't figure out how those things work. It's like those cartoons where
> the character draws something with a piece of chalk and it comes to life.
> My daughter had a Fly Pentop computer and could draw a calculator
> keyboard that could actually be used as a calculator. That's nuts!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/LeapFrog-37700...0163378&sr=8-3
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3vj8sh7

I have read some articles that are even cooler. In the works, prototypes of
contact lenses with computer interfaces and hand gestures in the air that
control the computer.

Take a look at this demo of the future.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/p...xth_sense.html

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

before you ask, often you can get it from the context, Lee
"dsi1" > wrote in message ...
> On 7/8/2011 12:26 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
>> In >,
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/8/2011 6:27 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:10:50 -1000, > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that you
>>>>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Google can usually help... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FIL
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
>>
>> Sometimes you still have to ask about SIL, because it could be "son" or
>> "sister". That makes a big difference.
>>
>
> I'd be afraid to ask. :-)

On 7/8/2011 2:14 PM, Nad R wrote:
> > wrote:
>>>
>>> There is another toy I like and that is the "LiveSribe Smart Pen". So cool!
>>>
>>> http://www.livescribe.com/en-us/
>
>> I can't figure out how those things work. It's like those cartoons where
>> the character draws something with a piece of chalk and it comes to life.
>> My daughter had a Fly Pentop computer and could draw a calculator
>> keyboard that could actually be used as a calculator. That's nuts!
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/LeapFrog-37700...0163378&sr=8-3
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3vj8sh7
>
> I have read some articles that are even cooler. In the works, prototypes of
> contact lenses with computer interfaces and hand gestures in the air that
> control the computer.
>
> Take a look at this demo of the future.
>
> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/p...xth_sense.html
>

Looks like a return to magic. We'll wave our hands and things will
happen. These are wondrous times.

dsi1 wrote:

>>> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
>>
>> HIL? Hawaiian in-laws?
>
> Husband-in-law. :-)

I figured it was Haole-in-law.

Bob

On Jul 7, 10:00*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
> .com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7/7/2011 2:21 PM, Nad R wrote:
> >> "Julie > *wrote:
> >>> > *wrote in message
> >>> On Jul 7, 5:29 am, Nad > *wrote:
>
> >>>> I am finding that I like the newer track pads better. it takes time to
> >>>> get
> >>>> use to them, but the multi finger motions are becoming second nature..
>
> >>> ==
> >>> I hate track pads...they're not intuitive or as easy to pinpoint the
> >>> desired object...opinions vary.
> >>> ==
>
> >>> I don't even know what a track pad is!
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/
>
> >> They are available for windows and macs.
>
> > That's a beautiful piece of hardware! I hated using my laptop trackpad but
> > after constant usage for 2 years, I've learned to use it OK. On my
> > desktops, I use a trackball. I don't much care for mice.
>
> > I remember getting a Koala Pad for my Commodore-64 and boy was that a
> > bitching piece of hardware. It was like total magic. :-)
>
> My FIL had a trackball. *Oh how I hated it!

I had a gift of a mouse with a trackball, I believe it was around $65
at the time, How annoying, anyway, said that you but I do not need the
trackball and it is waay to difficult to navigate with it, so used the
waayy warn out microsoft mouse until a replacement was brought.

I swear the ball in the ms. mouse lost a third of it's size. Went
through two ms. mice in like two years.

On Jul 8, 3:48*am, Nad R > wrote:
> sf > wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 02:46:10 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> > > wrote:
>
> >> The mouse was a problem for me. They are just to easy to throw against the
> >> wall and they shatter into tiny little pieces. The heavier metal track pad
> >> is something one does not grasp with the fingers. If I threw a track pad
> >> against the the wall, serious damage would occur to the wall and it takes
> >> an effort to pick the pads up. By the time I try and pick it up the emotion
> >> is gone. The cheap light weight mouse just do not last long. I went through
> >> three mice in three years. So far that track pad is going strong
>
> > Why would you throw a mouse against the wall? *Mine has been dropped
> > on the hardwood floor more times than I can count and it's still in
> > one piece.
>
> They do not move smoothly as they get older, dust, hard to clean. The
> roller ball gets gummed up, the laser ones need a smooth surface and they
> do no move smoothly. The cheap light weight feel of them. Requires a light
> hand... They suck!
>
> Then frustration anger... Then tiny little pieces
>
> --
> Enjoy Life... Nad R *(Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

I drink a little and the cheap light feel of them, already the cursor
flies across the screen to begin with, let alone having an occasional
unsteady hand. The can you help me with this aspect, and the hovering
around by the person needing help, and inability to quickly hit the
target, I hate them things.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message

On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 01:08:38 -0700 (PDT), monkeywintest
> wrote:

> I drink a little and the cheap light feel of them, already the cursor
> flies across the screen to begin with, let alone having an occasional
> unsteady hand. The can you help me with this aspect, and the hovering
> around by the person needing help, and inability to quickly hit the
> target, I hate them things.

Mouse speed is your problem? You can slow it down. Go to Control
Panel > Mouse.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Jul 9, 8:03*am, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 01:08:38 -0700 (PDT), monkeywintest
>
> > wrote:
> > I drink a little and the cheap light feel of them, already the cursor
> > flies across the screen to begin with, let alone having an occasional
> > unsteady hand. The can you help me with this aspect, and the hovering
> > around by the person needing help, and inability to quickly hit the
> > target, I hate them things.
>
> Mouse speed is your problem? *You can slow it down. *Go to Control
> Panel > Mouse.
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Thanks, this mouse was like 3 dollars, and worth every bit of three
dollars, could never change the speed with it. Even tested that with
another mouse and that was able to change speeds.

On 7/8/2011 6:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/8/2011 9:59 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:45:36 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/8/2011 1:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is Usenet. Next time someone asks where you live- tell them
>>>> SRIMOP and act all snooty when they ask what *that* means.<g>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>> OK, I'm biting this one! What's a SRIMOP?
>>
>> You're *from* there and don't know?
>>
>> Here's what you wrote;
>>> I'm writing from a small rock in the middle of the Pacific although not
>>> from under a rock in the middle of the Pacific. :-) My guess is that you
>>> won't find that acronym in any dictionary in the world. That's the
>>> breaks.
>>
>> I thought you'd just forgotten FIL- and were editorializing on the
>> prolific use of acronyms on Usenet.
>>
>> SRIMOP= Small Rock In the Middle Of the Pacific.
>>
>> Jim
>
> It all seems so obvious now...

I would have guessed somewhere right in the middle of paradise.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:28:27 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>
> I would have guessed somewhere right in the middle of paradise.

Forget whatever dsl1 said, that's what it really is.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 7/8/2011 5:03 PM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>> Bookmarked! I'll never ask whatsa FIL, MIL, SIL, or HIL again. :-)
>>>
>>> HIL? Hawaiian in-laws?
>>
>> Husband-in-law. :-)
>
> I figured it was Haole-in-law.
>
> Bob
>
>

The Haole-in-laws have arrived from the mainland. The little red-head
girl is cute. She's got big cheeks and looks like a squirrel or some
kind of cartoon character. They went to Waimea bay yesterday and she
jumped off the big rock... gutsy. Of course, they're all burnt. Don't
they have the sun in CA?

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:25:15 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>
> The Haole-in-laws have arrived from the mainland. The little red-head
> girl is cute. She's got big cheeks and looks like a squirrel or some
> kind of cartoon character. They went to Waimea bay yesterday and she
> jumped off the big rock... gutsy. Of course, they're all burnt. Don't
> they have the sun in CA?

Are they from Northern CA? Or maybe they're Irish. I live in the fog
zone, but I don't burn in HI. I can't even use the darkest shade of
sunglasses in HI because they make me I feel like I'm trying to see in
the dark. My background is Swede/Scot/English/Welsh plus a little
unknown.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 7/10/2011 5:06 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:25:15 -1000, > wrote:
>
>>
>> The Haole-in-laws have arrived from the mainland. The little red-head
>> girl is cute. She's got big cheeks and looks like a squirrel or some
>> kind of cartoon character. They went to Waimea bay yesterday and she
>> jumped off the big rock... gutsy. Of course, they're all burnt. Don't
>> they have the sun in CA?
>
> Are they from Northern CA? Or maybe they're Irish. I live in the fog
> zone, but I don't burn in HI. I can't even use the darkest shade of
> sunglasses in HI because they make me I feel like I'm trying to see in
> the dark. My background is Swede/Scot/English/Welsh plus a little
> unknown.
>

They're North of Sacramento from Oroville, home of the biggest earthen
dam in the US. My wife's side of the family is Irish and originally from
Montana. I don't know about these people - they used to own slaves and
one of them - Floppin' Bill Cantrell, was quite the vigilante. He and
his band hung some 30 cattle rustlers in 1885. :-)

dsi1 wrote:

> They're North of Sacramento from Oroville, home of the biggest earthen dam
> in the US.

Lemme tell you, that dam is HUGE. First time I saw it I didn't know what it
was; it was just this ominous-looking dark-brown cliff glowering over the
town. I was vaguely reminded of my first glimpse of the South Dakota
badlands.

Bob

On 7/15/2011 1:27 AM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> They're North of Sacramento from Oroville, home of the biggest earthen dam
>> in the US.
>
> Lemme tell you, that dam is HUGE. First time I saw it I didn't know what it
> was; it was just this ominous-looking dark-brown cliff glowering over the
> town. I was vaguely reminded of my first glimpse of the South Dakota
> badlands.
>
> Bob
>
>
>

I've been on that thing but it's hard to tell the scale of it when
you're sitting on it. The water level was down shockingly low when I was
there. I'm just hoping they packed that dirt down real good. :-)