On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:04:17 -0400, George >
wrote:
>
> I don't believe you get it.

Right back atcha George. You don't get it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:00:10 -0400, George >
wrote:

> I used to do the "we can't go because of the forecast" thing pre
> smartphone and I am quite sure having good live weather data is a major
> asset.

You are so stuck in the past that you can't believe they can
accurately predict weather to the hour.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 7/10/2011 7:06 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:04:17 -0400, >
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe you get it.
>
> Right back atcha George. You don't get it.
>

Since your objection is because you simply know better and haven't
actually tried what I described I will go with my personal experience
and that of the numerous people who do exactly what I do because it is
so helpful.

On 7/10/2011 7:09 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:00:10 -0400, >
> wrote:
>
>> I used to do the "we can't go because of the forecast" thing pre
>> smartphone and I am quite sure having good live weather data is a major
>> asset.
>
> You are so stuck in the past that you can't believe they can
> accurately predict weather to the hour.
>

Sorry but no. They can't accurately predict weather to the degree you
imagine. You would know that if you compared what you were experiencing
vs what was forecast on a frequent basis. Accurately modelling rain and
snow is one of the most difficult things to do. Just think back at how
many times they forecast 20 inches of snow and there is two or vice
versa. FWIW I am an instrument rated pilot and do know a few things
about the vagaries of weather.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:51:01 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:02:53 -0400, George >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 7/10/2011 12:53 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:01:23 -0400, >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Weather on the go is one of my biggest uses. We go on long bicycle
> > > > >> rides. Prior to a smartphone if the weather looked iffy we just wouldn't
> > > > >> go. Now I can pop up live weather radar and see what the track of a
> > > > >> storm is and work around it while out on a trail.
> > > > >>
> > > > > You don't need a smartphone for that. Weather sites do hourly
> > > > > predictions that are spot on. Look it up on your computer before you
> > > > > leave and you'll be fine. The thing that would make me want a smart
> > > > > phone for here is if I worked downtown and took public transportation
> > > > > to get there, I'd be using nextbus.com a lot because MUNI sucks.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gee, I guess I should have asked you about that before buying my phone.
> > > > Just how would an hourly observation help define where the boundary and
> > > > trend of a storm is one could judge if you should proceed or change your
> > > > plans?
> > >
> > > If you think your range is going to be that large, widen your search.
> > > Duh.
> > > > Often bad weather could be close to where you are but not be an
> > > > issue. How would it work if say you were out on trail for 4 or 5 hours?
> > >
> > > Like I said, they have hourly predictions. You're going out for a
> > > morning ride and they say it'll be raining at 3PM, get home before
> > > then. It's not brain surgery.
> >
> > He's not talking about "will it be raining somewhere in this area at
> > 3PM". He's talking about looking at the _current_ radar, which can be
> > very different from the radar 3 hours ago, and making a decision about
> > which route to take.
> >
> > You don't spend much time outdoors do you? On a bicycle that hour can
> > move you more than 15 miles if you're in decent shape. A good day's
> > ride can take you from San Francisco to San Jose and back.
>
> It's not difficult to check all zip codes in between for an hourly
> forecast if that's such an issue. If it's going to rain, stay home or
> change your route. It's not brain surgery.

And if in the hour the forecast changes, then what?

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:00:10 -0400, George >
> wrote:
>
> > I used to do the "we can't go because of the forecast" thing pre
> > smartphone and I am quite sure having good live weather data is a major
> > asset.
>
> You are so stuck in the past that you can't believe they can
> accurately predict weather to the hour.

If "they" can predict weather with such accuracy, howcome tornadoes
always come as a surprise?

"Metspitzer" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> > wrote:
>
>>On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>
>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>
>>Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>
> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>
> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........


There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my abacus
away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't know how
to read a map?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote
>
> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my abacus
> away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't know
> how to read a map?
>
> Jill

I have a GPS, but I still like looking at a map to get some idea of where
I'll be going, what cities/states I'll be passing, etc. Sometimes it shows
me a more interesting route than mindlessly following a computer.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
>
> "Metspitzer" > wrote
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>>
>>>Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>>
>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>>
>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
>
> The tool that works best is not always the most powerful or expensive.

Maps are important. Maps tell you how to get places. I suppose this guy
uses GPS to figure out where he's going.

Pencils and paper will never go out of style. Leonardo Da Vinci didn't seem
to mind using pencils and paper. Look how long his drawings have been
around

I happen to own a reel to reel tape recorder, too I still have the
recording my father sent to my mother from Vietnam asking her to buy me a
bed. I'd been sleeping on a military cot since I was a baby. I got bed for
my birthday in 1967. And Dad didn't even have to use a cell phone app!

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > "Metspitzer" > wrote
> >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
> >>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
> >>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
> >>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
> >>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
> >>>
> >>>Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
> >>
> >> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
> >> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
> >>
> >> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
> >> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
> >
> > The tool that works best is not always the most powerful or expensive.
>
> Maps are important. Maps tell you how to get places. I suppose this guy
> uses GPS to figure out where he's going.

Much more convenient than a map.

> Pencils and paper will never go out of style. Leonardo Da Vinci didn't seem
> to mind using pencils and paper. Look how long his drawings have been
> around

Being pedantic now, the pencil as we know it was invented some time
after 1565. Leonardo died in 1519. So Leonardo did not use pencils.

> I happen to own a reel to reel tape recorder, too I still have the
> recording my father sent to my mother from Vietnam asking her to buy me a
> bed. I'd been sleeping on a military cot since I was a baby. I got bed for
> my birthday in 1967. And Dad didn't even have to use a cell phone app!
>
> Jill

On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>>
>>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>>
>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>>
>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
>
>
> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't
> know how to read a map?
>
> Jill

I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells
me to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness
which is the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you
already know where you are.

In article >, lid says...
>
> On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
> >>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
> >>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
> >>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
> >>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
> >>>
> >>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
> >>
> >> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
> >> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
> >>
> >> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
> >> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
> >
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
> > abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't
> > know how to read a map?
> >
> > Jill
>
> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells
> me to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness
> which is the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you
> already know where you are.

I don't mindlessly follow what it tells me but the fact that it can tell
me is very convenient.

"George" > wrote
>
> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells me
> to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness which is
> the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you already know
> where you are.
>

You can look at a map and have some idea where Utah or Oregon is and get
into your car in Maine and drive there with nothing but your brain. Where I
find GPS handy is that last mile or three. I can find Portland Oregon
easily, but finding Park Street is the difficult part.

At work we get truckers looking for our shipping/receiving address and they
plug it into a GPS. We tell them not to and offer easy to follow
directions. The smart ones take our directions, the smart asses don't.
Then they call and complain they can't get to us and make a couple of turns
for the last 50 feet. They then have to drive 2 miles to get turned around.
..

On 7/11/2011 11:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "George" > wrote
>>
>> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it
>> tells me to do and most of the time I just use it for positional
>> awareness which is the one major weakness of a map. A map is only
>> useful if you already know where you are.
>>
>
> You can look at a map and have some idea where Utah or Oregon is and get
> into your car in Maine and drive there with nothing but your brain.
> Where I find GPS handy is that last mile or three. I can find Portland
> Oregon easily, but finding Park Street is the difficult part.

I was thinking more along the lines of you get forced off the highway
because of a closure in an unfamiliar area and after three turns are not
exactly sure where you are and the best way to proceed.

>
> At work we get truckers looking for our shipping/receiving address and
> they plug it into a GPS. We tell them not to and offer easy to follow
> directions. The smart ones take our directions, the smart asses don't.
> Then they call and complain they can't get to us and make a couple of
> turns for the last 50 feet. They then have to drive 2 miles to get
> turned around. .

Similar thing here as you described. A lot depends on the quality of the
mapping database since some just grab unverified public mapping data.
There is an uncompleted subdivision nearby. If you have a cheap GPS it
will tell you to use a partially completed road in the subdivision which
will get you nowhere. The better unit manufacturers pay for better
verified mapping data so those units will send you on an actual road.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
>> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you
>> don't know how to read a map?
>>
>> Jill
>
> I have a GPS, but I still like looking at a map to get some idea of where
> I'll be going, what cities/states I'll be passing, etc. Sometimes it
> shows me a more interesting route than mindlessly following a computer.
Agreed! I have at Atlas and I know how to read it. It gets me where I want
to go.

Jill

"George" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
>>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
>>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
>>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>>>
>>>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>>>
>>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
>>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>>>
>>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
>>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
>>
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
>> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't
>> know how to read a map?
>>
>> Jill
>
> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells me
> to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness which is
> the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you already know
> where you are.
>

That's not true. I use a map to tell me how to get where I want to go. As
I said, I drove 700 miles with a map and managed to find out where I was
going just fine.

Jill

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:23:40 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>
>"George" > wrote in message
...
>> On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
>>>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
>>>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
>>>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
>>>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>>>>
>>>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
>>>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
>>>
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
>>> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't
>>> know how to read a map?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells me
>> to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness which is
>> the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you already know
>> where you are.
>>
>
>That's not true. I use a map to tell me how to get where I want to go. As
>I said, I drove 700 miles with a map and managed to find out where I was
>going just fine.

Blanket statements like this make you look really stupid. When I was
doing home inspections my record was 58 in one day. If you think that
could de done with a map- atlas - gazetteer you're nuts. Actually
you're nuts either way.

Lou

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:44:21 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:
>
>Blanket statements like this make you look really stupid. When I was
>doing home inspections my record was 58 in one day. If you think that
>could de done with a map- atlas - gazetteer you're nuts. Actually
>you're nuts either way.
>
>Lou

58 home inspections in one day? How many times did you actually step
inside? What were you inspecting for?

In article >,
says...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
> >>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
> >>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
> >>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
> >>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
> >>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
> >>>
> >>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
> >>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
> >>
> >>
> >> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
> >> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't
> >> know how to read a map?
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells me
> > to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness which is
> > the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you already know
> > where you are.
> >
>
> That's not true. I use a map to tell me how to get where I want to go. As
> I said, I drove 700 miles with a map and managed to find out where I was
> going just fine.

I've driven all over the country with a map. I've also driven all over
the country with a GPS. It's a lot easier with a GPS.

And on the bike, forget it. Especially when it's raining--have to find
an overpass or some place where I can stop and get in a shelter, get the
map out, protect it from the rain while I get under shelter, then figure
out whatever I need to figure out and then put it back. And at night I
have to hold a flashlight or hold it in front the headlight.

The GPS gives me a nice lighted display showing the next mile or so of
road, and tells me where I need to turn. Sometimes it's wrong.
Generally I can figure out how to deal with the problem.

And trying to find a location in an unfamiliar city in heavy traffic
with a map--you can do it but the people behind you are not going to be
_happy_.

On 7/12/2011 11:44 AM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:23:40 -0400, >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, > wrote:
>>>>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>>>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I frequently
>>>>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for them.
>>>>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
>>>>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
>>>>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
>>>> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you don't
>>>> know how to read a map?
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it tells me
>>> to do and most of the time I just use it for positional awareness which is
>>> the one major weakness of a map. A map is only useful if you already know
>>> where you are.
>>>
>>
>> That's not true. I use a map to tell me how to get where I want to go. As
>> I said, I drove 700 miles with a map and managed to find out where I was
>> going just fine.
>
> Blanket statements like this make you look really stupid. When I was
> doing home inspections my record was 58 in one day. If you think that
> could de done with a map- atlas - gazetteer you're nuts. Actually
> you're nuts either way.
>
> Lou

I have a friend like that. GPS is stupid, I don't need it. I know how to
use a map. I never needed anything but a map. Then his wife bought him
one. Then, "this thing is great" and then he would recite all of the
ways it is helpful as if he just discovered something no one knew about
for the past 15 years.

I do know how to read a map but I wouldn't want to go back to maps being
the only way I could navigate.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/11/2011 5:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> "Metspitzer" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 9, 11:44 am, Metspitzer > wrote:
>>>>>> My phone is an inexpensive one. I really don't have the need for a
>>>>>> fancy one, but they have some pretty cool features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be nice if I could store the prices of the foods I
>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>> buy and compile a list of how much each store I shop charges for
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> I would think a phone with a bar code reader would make this easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just get a little notepad and a pencil.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. A hand held computer that is more powerful than the ones used
>>>> in the first space missions and use pencil and paper.
>>>>
>>>> Good idea. Maybe I will buy a map too....and an abacus........and a
>>>> dictionary.....and a tape recorder.........
>>>
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with a map or a dictionary. Sorry, I gave my
>>> abacus away. I drove 700 miles using an map and a cat What, you
>>> don't
>>> know how to read a map?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I view GPS as a terrific *aid*. I don't mindlessly follow what it
>> tells me to do and most of the time I just use it for positional
>> awareness which is the one major weakness of a map. A map is only
>> useful if you already know where you are.
>>
>
> That's not true. I use a map to tell me how to get where I want to
> go. As I said, I drove 700 miles with a map and managed to find out
> where I was going just fine.
>
> Jill
You can get a GPS for $100 and they are safer than maps. Don't put down
everything you can't afford.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:14:49 -0400, Metspitzer >
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:44:21 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:
>>
>>Blanket statements like this make you look really stupid. When I was
>>doing home inspections my record was 58 in one day. If you think that
>>could de done with a map- atlas - gazetteer you're nuts. Actually
>>you're nuts either way.
>>
>>Lou
>
>58 home inspections in one day?

Yep.

> How many times did you actually step inside?

I don't remember what I did that day. I try not to think about that 8
months of my life.

> What were you inspecting for?

This is OT so I'll try to keep it short. If you're 45 days late on
your mortgage someone will be taking pictures of your house and
assessing whether you've bolted or not and if the property is being
taken care of. That type inspection sometimes required contact or
leaving a door hanger. Sometimes the order wanted contact with a
neighbor. Once a bank takes a house back it gets a walk through with
pictures of every room and all four sides of the building and the
status of the utilities verified.

In my state if you have a major insurance claim the bank gets the
check and holds it until they have another set of eyes verify the work
was actually done. I also did that.

There's MUCH more to it but that's the basics. It's a crap job. I
found one that I had a feeling about and even though it was listed as
no contact I saw a neighbor outside so I talked to him. Turned out
the owner had died in the kitchen. <---on topic He had three dogs
with no food other than the corpse so they fed off him for 10 days
according to the coroner. His kids spent 70 grand to clean up the
house but stopped paying the mortgage. Inspections like this that
turn into investigations are time consuming and I actually would lose
money which is why I quit.

Lou

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:58:21 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:14:49 -0400, Metspitzer >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:44:21 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:
>>>
>>>Blanket statements like this make you look really stupid. When I was
>>>doing home inspections my record was 58 in one day. If you think that
>>>could de done with a map- atlas - gazetteer you're nuts. Actually
>>>you're nuts either way.
>>>
>>>Lou
>>
>>58 home inspections in one day?
>
>Yep.
>
>> How many times did you actually step inside?
>
>I don't remember what I did that day. I try not to think about that 8
>months of my life.
>
>> What were you inspecting for?
>
>This is OT so I'll try to keep it short. If you're 45 days late on
>your mortgage someone will be taking pictures of your house and
>assessing whether you've bolted or not and if the property is being
>taken care of. That type inspection sometimes required contact or
>leaving a door hanger. Sometimes the order wanted contact with a
>neighbor. Once a bank takes a house back it gets a walk through with
>pictures of every room and all four sides of the building and the
>status of the utilities verified.
>
>In my state if you have a major insurance claim the bank gets the
>check and holds it until they have another set of eyes verify the work
>was actually done. I also did that.
>
>There's MUCH more to it but that's the basics. It's a crap job. I
>found one that I had a feeling about and even though it was listed as
>no contact I saw a neighbor outside so I talked to him. Turned out
>the owner had died in the kitchen. <---on topic He had three dogs
>with no food other than the corpse so they fed off him for 10 days
>according to the coroner. His kids spent 70 grand to clean up the
>house but stopped paying the mortgage. Inspections like this that
>turn into investigations are time consuming and I actually would lose
>money which is why I quit.
>
>Lou

I could not think of any type home inspection that could be properly
done at 7 houses an hour. That sounds like it may be a valid example.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:24:28 -0400, Metspitzer >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:58:21 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:
>

>>There's MUCH more to it but that's the basics. It's a crap job. I
>>found one that I had a feeling about and even though it was listed as
>>no contact I saw a neighbor outside so I talked to him. Turned out
>>the owner had died in the kitchen. <---on topic He had three dogs
>>with no food other than the corpse so they fed off him for 10 days
>>according to the coroner. His kids spent 70 grand to clean up the
>>house but stopped paying the mortgage. Inspections like this that
>>turn into investigations are time consuming and I actually would lose
>>money which is why I quit.
>>
>>Lou
>
>I could not think of any type home inspection that could be properly
>done at 7 houses an hour. That sounds like it may be a valid example.

They claimed the people with inner city territories were doing 125 a
day which I have a hard time believing. I had one townhouse complex
that had about a dozen monthly's. I could do that in about 45
minutes. That was decent money but most of the time the pay sucked
and the stress was high.

Lou

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:43:37 -0400, George >
wrote:

>On 7/12/2011 11:44 AM, Lou Decruss wrote:

>> Blanket statements like this make you look really stupid. When I was
>> doing home inspections my record was 58 in one day. If you think that
>> could de done with a map- atlas - gazetteer you're nuts. Actually
>> you're nuts either way.
>>
>> Lou
>
>I have a friend like that. GPS is stupid, I don't need it. I know how to
>use a map. I never needed anything but a map. Then his wife bought him
>one. Then, "this thing is great" and then he would recite all of the
>ways it is helpful as if he just discovered something no one knew about
>for the past 15 years.
>
>I do know how to read a map but I wouldn't want to go back to maps being
>the only way I could navigate.

I didn't plan on doing that work long term so I used google maps. You
can put 26 locations in and make your route. I did my route in
batches of 20 because it sometimes choked at 22-23. I printed my
directions and did it that way. If I had kept doing it I would have
bought Streets and Trips and gps but gps wouldn't get used unless I
got totally lost. Either way my point was a paper map would have been
useless for what I was doing at the time.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
> Metspitzer > wrote:
>
>>I could not think of any type home inspection that could be properly
>>done at 7 houses an hour. That sounds like it may be a valid example.
>
> They claimed the people with inner city territories were doing 125 a
> day which I have a hard time believing. I had one townhouse complex
> that had about a dozen monthly's. I could do that in about 45
> minutes. That was decent money but most of the time the pay sucked
> and the stress was high.

When we sold our house the finance company sent out a guy who took
photos outside and a few inside. He called it a "home inspection" for
their appraisal.

Extremely different from what I think of as a "home inspection" which is
a handyman going through the structure, wiring, plumbing and so on. My
target for that is a lesser form of "Holmes Inspection".

Doug Freyburger > wrote:

>When we sold our house the finance company sent out a guy who took
>photos outside and a few inside. He called it a "home inspection" for
>their appraisal.

Sometimes they don't even get out of their car.


Steve

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:56:50 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>> Metspitzer > wrote:
>>
>>>I could not think of any type home inspection that could be properly
>>>done at 7 houses an hour. That sounds like it may be a valid example.
>>
>> They claimed the people with inner city territories were doing 125 a
>> day which I have a hard time believing. I had one townhouse complex
>> that had about a dozen monthly's. I could do that in about 45
>> minutes. That was decent money but most of the time the pay sucked
>> and the stress was high.
>
>When we sold our house the finance company sent out a guy who took
>photos outside and a few inside. He called it a "home inspection" for
>their appraisal.

The buyer paid for that. Probably about 400 bucks. Nothing like what
I was doing.

>Extremely different from what I think of as a "home inspection" which is
>a handyman going through the structure, wiring, plumbing and so on.

You'd be lucky to have a handyman much less a real tradesman inspect
the house until the economy took a dump. In the residential field
most of them would hurt themselves with a screwdriver or pliers. It's
all learned in classes. I have a construction history so my training
only involved learning the software and how to do the paperwork.

> My target for that is a lesser form of "Holmes Inspection".

That's an interesting way of putting it but yes, some of them do turn
into investigations when a bank is involved and bankruptcy and /or
foreclosure is involved.

Lou

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:25:38 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>>When we sold our house the finance company sent out a guy who took
>>photos outside and a few inside. He called it a "home inspection" for
>>their appraisal.
>
>Sometimes they don't even get out of their car.

That doesn't mean they're not doing their job.

Lou