Note that these are outdoor restaurants.

http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml

Wayne wrote:

>> Note that these are outdoor restaurants.
>>
>> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml
>>
>
> Unless they're service dogs...why?

Fun, of course. But if you have to ASK....

Bob

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
. 190.14...
> On Fri 29 Jul 2011 10:42:48p, Julie Bove told us...
>
>> Note that these are outdoor restaurants.
>>
>> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>
> Unless they're service dogs...why?

No clue. I only know they exist because I saw it on the Internet. Now that
I think about it, I think it was someone on my Facebook who posted a pic of
themselves and their dog at a restaurant. They were sitting outside at a
picnic table.

I've been led to believe that it is common for dogs to go to restaurants in
France but having never been to France I don't know if this is true or not.

I have heard of cafes for dogs. But they only serve food for dogs. Not
sure if there are any around now or not. I read a magazine article about a
couple of them some years ago. Can't remember what states they were in.

On 30 Jul 2011 08:47:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 29 Jul 2011 10:42:48p, Julie Bove told us...
>
>> Note that these are outdoor restaurants.
>>
>> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>
>Unless they're service dogs...why?

Because you've taken your pug to a pug social 3 hours away and you
don't want to leave him in the inn- but you feel like a burger and egg
cream? [At least that's how our pug ended up at the Depot Street Malt
Shop in Stowe, VT.<g>]

I know a few folks who travel with their dogs]. Dogs are like
kids-- some shouldn't be allowed within a mile of people eating.
Others are trained & nobody notices them.

Jim

On 2011-07-30, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:


> Others are trained & nobody notices them.

If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
them.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-07-30, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
>
>> Others are trained & nobody notices them.
>
> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
> belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
> them.
>
In China, some restaurants are so dog-friendly that they serve them as well!

notbob > wrote in
:

> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They
> don't belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one
> that allowed them.

I would never leave our dog in the car by herself while I went into
a restaurant to eat for hours. Weather-wise, there is a very small
window of opportunity for he car to be temperate during the year.

We look for patios (where dogs are allowed) if we want to bring her
with us. Otherwise, we leave her at home.

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

> I've been led to believe that it is common for dogs to go to
> restaurants in France but having never been to France I don't
> know if this is true or not.

Most of Europe in fact. Saw that in Germany and Austria as well.

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
. 190.14:

>> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml
>
> Unless they're service dogs...why?

Given that service dogs are legally exempt from the usual dog-
hating restaurant nazi attitude towards four legged creatures (in
Canada at any rate), one needn't list these places. So, it must
apply to other dogs...the non-service kind (to clarify).

The restaurant down at the corner has a patio. We have brought our
dog for brunch and dinner at various times and they bring her a
bowl of water. Pubs with patios often have dogs. One of the
advantages of eating outside is being able to bring your dog.

Heck, regulations allow you to fly with your dog or cat in the main
cabin of the aircraft if you can fit the carrier under the seat in
front of you.

Besides, dogs are not as much of a health risk as some humans.

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-07-30, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
>
>> Others are trained & nobody notices them.
>
> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
> belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
> them.
>
> nb

Given the current heat wave in many areas, pets should be left at home NOT
IN THE CAR. Doesn't matter if you leave the windows down, the car can heat
up to 150 degrees in no time. Keep your pets at home and inside the house
with plenty of water and (hopefully) air conditioning.

Jill

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> notbob > wrote in
> :
>
>> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They
>> don't belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one
>> that allowed them.
>
> I would never leave our dog in the car by herself while I went into
> a restaurant to eat for hours. Weather-wise, there is a very small
> window of opportunity for he car to be temperate during the year.
>
> We look for patios (where dogs are allowed) if we want to bring her
> with us. Otherwise, we leave her at home.
>
> --
Thanks, Michel! I don't know why people want to take their pets everywhere
they go. And given the current heat wave in many parts of the world,
they're better off at home.

Jill

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:50:01 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
> I'm in complete agreement. I wouldn't want to walk out after a meal with
> fleas on me and unknowingly TAKE THEM HOME!!!
>
> A disgusting thought, dogs in restaurants!!!
>
> In the Old West, you tied up your horse to the rails before entering the
> saloon! The same should at least go double for dogs, imho. Bad example?
> Perhaps.
>
I don't think dogs (other than service animals) go inside, most (I
won't say all) of the restaurants that are animal friendly have animal
friendly sidewalk seating. Maybe some have a patio that can be
accessed via a sidewalk or parking lot, but you don't have to walk the
dog through the interior of the restaurant to get there.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"jmcquown" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> "notbob" > wrote in message

Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Others are trained & nobody notices them.
>>
>> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
>> belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
>> them.
>>
>> nb
>
> Given the current heat wave in many areas, pets should be left at home NOT
> IN THE CAR. Doesn't matter if you leave the windows down, the car can
> heat up to 150 degrees in no time. Keep your pets at home and inside the
> house with plenty of water and (hopefully) air conditioning.

You both left off the end of the paragraph: "and so don't go on vacation,
not even to visit the family. Stay home and don't spend your dollars
keeping motels, hotels, cabin rentals, restaurants and cafes in business.
Who needs them anyway?"

Well behaved dogs are not a problem in a restaurant any more than they are
in a home. More pet friendly accomodations are needed, not fewer.

On 2011-07-30, Giusi > wrote:

> Well behaved dogs are not a problem in a restaurant any more than they are
> in a home. More pet friendly accomodations are needed, not fewer.

What I did or did not leave off is irrelevant. We stay at motels that
allow pets. We do not dine in restaurants that allow pets. What you
do is your own business.

nb

--
vi ...the heart of evil

"jmcquown" > wrote in news:99in92FvmaU1
@mid.individual.net:

> I don't know why people want to take their pets everywhere
> they go.

I guess it's the "companion animal" thing. Hard to be a companion
if you don't accompany at least some of the time.

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

On 7/30/2011 12:42 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Note that these are outdoor restaurants.
>
> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml
>
>

We have used that web site to find motels where we could stay with
Mickey Charles when car traveling.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 2011-07-30, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> We have used that web site to find motels where we could stay with
> Mickey Charles when car traveling.

All Motel 6's allow pets.

nb

--
vi ...the heart of evil

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:38:03 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> sf > wrote:
>
> > I don't think dogs (other than service animals) go inside,
>
>
> sf,
>
> How is a guide dog ever going to get it's blind owner to a seat at any
> given table?

The same way you do it... follow the hostess, host or maitre d'.
>
> I'd think the blind would have to be ushered by restaurant staff to a
> table and a seat.

They're usually with someone who can see, that person can do the
ushering if it's absolutely necessary.
>
> Booth or stationary seating might alleviate the matter if the person was
> a regular patron. A guide dog would be of no use. A guide stick (I don't
> know the proper name) would be better utilized to aid the blind navigate
> tight quarters such as tables and chairs in a restaurant.
>
> A staff member ushering the blind to a seat with a guiding arm would be
> vastly more appreciated, imho.
>
Honestly, I think you're over reacting. I live in a very handicapped
accessible area and yet I'm having trouble remembering when I've seen
a guide dog inside a restaurant that wasn't fast food. I think when
blind people dine in a white tablecloth restaurant, they are usually
with a seeing person who acts as their guide.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:03:58 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:
>
>> I've been led to believe that it is common for dogs to go to
>> restaurants in France but having never been to France I don't
>> know if this is true or not.
>
>Most of Europe in fact. Saw that in Germany and Austria as well.

They're talking about the haus fraus... ach! lol

On 7/30/2011 2:47 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 29 Jul 2011 10:42:48p, Julie Bove told us...
>
>> Note that these are outdoor restaurants.
>>
>> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>
> Unless they're service dogs...why?
>



Because some people insist on taking their dogs EVERYWHERE.
And let them defecate everywhere without feeling the slightest
responsibility for cleaning it up. Ski area, beach, park,
playground, sports fields, neighbors' yards, yep "I'm entitled
to show everyone I have a dog."

On 7/30/2011 8:44 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-07-30, Jim > wrote:
>
>
>> Others are trained& nobody notices them.
>
> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
> belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
> them.
>
> nb


Animals should NEVER be left in a car. They belong at home, not
in a too hot or too cold car.

gloria p

On 7/30/2011 11:48 AM, Andy wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> You both left off the end of the paragraph: "and so don't go on
>> vacation, not even to visit the family.
>
>
> Giusi,
>
> We vacationed in Hawaii for years. If you wanted to bring your pet along,
> it had to be mandatory quarantined for two months.
>
> Even if you had two months of vacation, your pet wouldn't see it as
> tropical paradise, when you picked it up for the flight home.
>
> You'd have to be moving to Hawaii to realistically quaranteen your pet
> for that length of time.
>
> In other words, no pets allowed on your Hawaiian vacation!
>
> Best,
>
> Andy

That's changed, Andy.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 7/30/2011 11:57 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-07-30, Janet > wrote:
>
>> We have used that web site to find motels where we could stay with
>> Mickey Charles when car traveling.
>
> All Motel 6's allow pets.
>
> nb
>

So do La Quintas

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 2011-07-30, gloria.p > wrote:

> Animals should NEVER be left in a car.

If I can sit in a car with the windows cracked, so can a dog.

nb

On 30/07/2011 2:27 PM, gloria.p wrote:

>
> Animals should NEVER be left in a car. They belong at home, not
> in a too hot or too cold car.
>
I can't take my current dog in the car because he is an idiot. Previous
dogs have been much better behaved and loved going for car rides. It's
not good to leave them in a car on a hot summer day because it can get
too hot inside the car. If the weather is below 70 and windows are left
part way open a dog should be fine. I have no problem leaving my dogs in
the car in the winter. It is no colder than they would be outside. The
only problem is the condensation freezing on the windows.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:09:59 -0600, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>On 7/30/2011 2:47 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Fri 29 Jul 2011 10:42:48p, Julie Bove told us...
>>
>>> Note that these are outdoor restaurants.
>>>
>>> http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/tr...est/rest.shtml

>> Unless they're service dogs...why?

>Because some people insist on taking their dogs EVERYWHERE.
>And let them defecate everywhere without feeling the slightest
>responsibility for cleaning it up. Ski area, beach, park,
>playground, sports fields, neighbors' yards, yep "I'm entitled
>to show everyone I have a dog."

Yes it very ridiculous. There's a local car show here on Friday
nights all summer. It's three blocks long and very crowded. There's
a bunch of food vendors and the dogs go crazy with all the smells. And
some of the cars are worth big bucks and dogs love to **** on tires.
It's very annoying.

Lou

On 7/30/2011 1:48 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-07-30, > wrote:
>
>> Animals should NEVER be left in a car.
>
> If I can sit in a car with the windows cracked, so can a dog.
>

One difference... if it gets too hot and unsafe, you can open the door
and leave. The dog doesn't have that option.

George L

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2011-07-30, gloria.p > wrote:
>
> > Animals should NEVER be left in a car.
>
> If I can sit in a car with the windows cracked, so can a dog.

Negative, you can cool buy sweat and evaporation. They can not.

--

On 2011-07-30, George Leppla > wrote:

> One difference... if it gets too hot and unsafe, you can open the door
> and leave. The dog doesn't have that option.

You insist on assuming I'm dumber than a post and unfeeling of
animals. I'm neither.

nb

--
vi ...the heart of evil

On 7/30/2011 2:22 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-07-30, George > wrote:
>
>> One difference... if it gets too hot and unsafe, you can open the door
>> and leave. The dog doesn't have that option.
>
> You insist on assuming I'm dumber than a post and unfeeling of
> animals. I'm neither.


Nah... didn't mean to imply that. Just pointing out that what is good
for humans might not be good for a dog.... especially when adding a
variable like weather/temperature, etc.

George L

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:17:57 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>
> Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Others are trained & nobody notices them.
>>>
>>> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
>>> belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
>>> them.
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> Given the current heat wave in many areas, pets should be left at home NOT
>> IN THE CAR. Doesn't matter if you leave the windows down, the car can
>> heat up to 150 degrees in no time. Keep your pets at home and inside the
>> house with plenty of water and (hopefully) air conditioning.
>
>You both left off the end of the paragraph: "and so don't go on vacation,
>not even to visit the family. Stay home and don't spend your dollars
>keeping motels, hotels, cabin rentals, restaurants and cafes in business.
>Who needs them anyway?"
>
>Well behaved dogs are not a problem in a restaurant.

Most dogs are not well behaved... and dogs drool and stink... an
eyetalian wouldn't notice. What makes you think normal folks want to
have dinner with a bunch of dogs licking their crotches, you must
think that's cute because you lick your husband's balls. Ahahaha. . .
..

On 2011-07-30, cshenk > wrote:

> Negative, you can cool buy sweat and evaporation. They can not.

What is it with you ppl? You looking for someone to vilify?

Having owned a black car in CA, where temps reach 115F and ppl die in
closed up cars, I know the dangers and I don't do such things. I
could also feed my dog ground glass or beat it with a club, but I
don't do that, either. Kindly visit your grotesque fantasies on
someone else, please.

nb

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:44:43 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

> That's changed, Andy.

For one thing, Hawaii is a state now.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 2011-07-30, George Leppla > wrote:

> Nah... didn't mean to imply that. Just pointing out that what is good
> for humans might not be good for a dog.... especially when adding a
> variable like weather/temperature, etc.

See my reply to Carol.

nb

--
vi ...the heart of evil

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:28:51 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> My Annabelle loved when we took her for a ride... to the vet! You could
> read it on her face... "Oh, all of a sudden this is not fun!"

Their noses are very sensitive and they sense were they are going. My
DD's dog gets excited shortly after they exit the freeway and are on
the final couple of miles to my house. She acts like a small child
anticipating arriving at grandma's and grandpa's. No kidding!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2011-07-30, cshenk > wrote:
>
> > Negative, you can cool buy sweat and evaporation. They can not.
>
> What is it with you ppl? You looking for someone to vilify?
>
> Having owned a black car in CA, where temps reach 115F and ppl die in
> closed up cars, I know the dangers and I don't do such things. I
> could also feed my dog ground glass or beat it with a club, but I
> don't do that, either. Kindly visit your grotesque fantasies on
> someone else, please.

Could be some livemail user messed up the attributes but it sure looked
like you said to leave the dog in a hot car.


--

On 30 Jul 2011 16:57:03 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2011-07-30, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>> We have used that web site to find motels where we could stay with
>> Mickey Charles when car traveling.
>
>All Motel 6's allow pets.

So do Motel 8s... but not in every room... there's usually a very
limited number of rooms for accomodating pets (maybe four out of a
hundred), and they are located/segregated way at the far end of a
corridor (people are allergic). And besides charging substantially
more there are rules, they don't allow pets left in the room without
your being present at all times.

On 30/07/2011 11:03 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> "Julie > wrote in
> :
>
>> I've been led to believe that it is common for dogs to go to
>> restaurants in France but having never been to France I don't
>> know if this is true or not.
>
> Most of Europe in fact. Saw that in Germany and Austria as well.
>

The only places I saw dogs in restaurants /bars were Paris and
Switzterland. I have to say that I just don't recall seeing many dogs
at all over there.... anywhere. I saw a bunch of dogs playing in a small
leash free park in Tallinn, Estonia. Our host and hostess in Sweden had
two dogs, and we met a few dog walkers when we were out with their dogs.
I remember seeing a couple Dachshunds in Bavaria. I have been to
Denmark three times and don't remember seeing a single dog there. I was
in Holland only once, but drove the length and breadth of it and don't
recall seeing dogs.I saw lots of dog shit in Paris, but not many dogs.


BTW..... in Sweden they are very civilized about dog feces. They don't
get worked up about it. There are lots of walking trails everywhere, and
there is long grass beside the paths. People curb their dogs. No one
sees the crap and no one worries about it.

On 2011-07-30, cshenk > wrote:

> Could be some livemail user messed up the attributes but it sure looked
> like you said to leave the dog in a hot car.

Could be some little green men from Mars are about to invade Earth,
but you didn't see me say so, as there's no way in Hell you saw me say
"to leave a dog in a hot car" or anything remotely similar.

nb

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:27:05 -0600, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>On 7/30/2011 8:44 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2011-07-30, Jim > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Others are trained& nobody notices them.
>>
>> If they are well trained, they can be left in the car. They don't
>> belong in a restaurant and I would never patronize one that allowed
>> them.
>>
>> nb
>
>
>Animals should NEVER be left in a car. They belong at home, not
>in a too hot or too cold car.
>
>gloria p

Many states have laws prohibiting animals left in vehicles, eventually
all will.
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/qvuspetsincars.htm