Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!

John Kuthe...

John wrote:

> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!

Might want to check your settings; you seem to have disabled spell-checking.
Did you install Quotefix?

Bob

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
b.com...
> John wrote:
>
>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>
> Might want to check your settings; you seem to have disabled
> spell-checking. Did you install Quotefix?

I'll look into the spell check, thanks!

And apparently I have QuoteFix built in, at least as far as I can see. Let
me know if your mileage varies! :-)

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:

>> Might want to check your settings; you seem to have disabled
>> spell-checking. Did you install Quotefix?
>
> I'll look into the spell check, thanks!

Tools --> Options --> Spelling

Click box which says, "Always check spelling before sending"


> And apparently I have QuoteFix built in, at least as far as I can see. Let
> me know if your mileage varies! :-)

You won't be able to tell until you reply to a fairly lengthy post.

Bob

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
> b.com...
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>
>> Might want to check your settings; you seem to have disabled
>> spell-checking. Did you install Quotefix?
>
> I'll look into the spell check, thanks!
>
> And apparently I have QuoteFix built in, at least as far as I can see. Let
> me know if your mileage varies! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...
Well good for you, John. I had become accustomed to seeing a daily Google
Grumble from you and wondered if the Google gremlins had sneaked in during
the night and done away with you. Polly

Dumbass wrote:

> Google group users are not too smart - but outlook express users are
> STUPID. Seriously IQ's have been tested and this is a PROVEN fact!

You fell for a hoax, dumbass.

Bob

"Polly Esther" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
>> b.com...
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>>
>>> Might want to check your settings; you seem to have disabled
>>> spell-checking. Did you install Quotefix?
>>
>> I'll look into the spell check, thanks!
>>
>> And apparently I have QuoteFix built in, at least as far as I can see.
>> Let me know if your mileage varies! :-)
>>
>> John Kuthe...
> Well good for you, John. I had become accustomed to seeing a daily Google
> Grumble from you and wondered if the Google gremlins had sneaked in during
> the night and done away with you. Polly

GoogleGroups can go suck fetid eggs, AFAIAC!! I just hope Eternal-September
is better. So far it is.

And using OE is an anathema to me, but it's easier than any of the other
options I found.

John Kuthe...

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>
> Uses Firefox but ignores Thunderbird.
>
> -13 points for JK.
>
> -sw

I actually DLed Thunderbird and tried to set it up as my news reader, but
could not find in it where to put my news server UserID and password! So I
bailed it.

John Kuthe...

On 8/3/2011 10:45 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>
>> Uses Firefox but ignores Thunderbird.
>>
>> -13 points for JK.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I actually DLed Thunderbird and tried to set it up as my news reader, but
> could not find in it where to put my news server UserID and password! So I
> bailed it.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
>
It is pretty straighforward, when you launch it the first time it starts
a wizard, pick news and feed it the info. Or "account settings" "account
actions" "add a new account"

On 8/4/2011 8:08 AM, George wrote:
> On 8/3/2011 10:45 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet
>>>>> News
>>>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>>
>>> Uses Firefox but ignores Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> -13 points for JK.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> I actually DLed Thunderbird and tried to set it up as my news reader, but
>> could not find in it where to put my news server UserID and password!
>> So I
>> bailed it.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>
>>
> It is pretty straighforward, when you launch it the first time it starts
> a wizard, pick news and feed it the info. Or "account settings" "account
> actions" "add a new account"

The last action is very useful. I used it to add news.mozilla.com since
Mozilla/Thunderbird insists on running its own (free) news server.
Mozilla.support.thunderbird is particularly useful.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:56:40 -0500, Bull >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "John Kuthe" > wrote:
>
>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Google group users are not too smart - but outlook express users are
>STUPID. Seriously IQ's have been tested and this is a PROVEN fact! SO
>you have gone from not too smart to STUPID. Congrats and you are also a
>JOHN. I am a frequent user!
>
>SKIDS AKA,
>
>
>the BULL
It's in the news, it was a hoax. No testing, no proven fact.
Janet US

"George" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/3/2011 10:45 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet
>>>>> News
>>>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>>
>>> Uses Firefox but ignores Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> -13 points for JK.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> I actually DLed Thunderbird and tried to set it up as my news reader, but
>> could not find in it where to put my news server UserID and password! So
>> I
>> bailed it.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>
>>
> It is pretty straighforward, when you launch it the first time it starts a
> wizard, pick news and feed it the info. Or "account settings" "account
> actions" "add a new account"

I did that, and dinked around with TBird for a while, but could never find
where to put my news server UserID and password in. Lots of email specific
crap, but no news server crap. And when setting Tbird up as a news client, I
don't put in my email info and that's what it was asking for. No news server
stuff at all. OE had a place for me to put my news server in, and then a box
asking if my news server required a UserID and password, which I checked and
then it prompted me for my news server UserID and password. And it worked!

I don't dink around with software which doers not set up and work in a
straightforward manner.

John Kuthe...

On 8/4/2011 7:59 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:56:40 -0500, >
> wrote:
>
>> In >,
>> "John > wrote:
>>
>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet News
>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Google group users are not too smart - but outlook express users are
>> STUPID. Seriously IQ's have been tested and this is a PROVEN fact! SO
>> you have gone from not too smart to STUPID. Congrats and you are also a
>> JOHN. I am a frequent user!
>>
>> SKIDS AKA,
>>
>>
>> the BULL
> It's in the news, it was a hoax. No testing, no proven fact.
> Janet US

Besides, it the claim wasn't about Outlook Express. It was supposedly
about users of Internet Explorer.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:08:11 -0400, George wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/2011 10:45 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Got an Eternal-September account now. Tried looking up free Usenet
>>>>>> News
>>>>>> Readers, and they all suck! So let;'s see how this flies!
>>>>
>>>> Uses Firefox but ignores Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> -13 points for JK.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> I actually DLed Thunderbird and tried to set it up as my news reader,
>>> but
>>> could not find in it where to put my news server UserID and password! So
>>> I
>>> bailed it.
>>
>> It is pretty straighforward, when you launch it the first time it starts
>> a wizard, pick news and feed it the info. Or "account settings" "account
>> actions" "add a new account"
>
> And get this: You can type "usenet" in the Help System.
>
> But I'm poor and helpless, woe is me...

Each software installation and setup is a decision tree. You step though
each decision one at a time hoping to end up at a terminal node which is
what you wanted the software to do for you. Some software has confusing
decision trees that never end you up at that terminal node of "software is
doing what I want it to do", and after marching down several paths which
terminate in "software is NOT doing what I want it to", I usually give up,
delete it and look for other software which will get me faster and more
easily to the desired terminal node of the decision tree of installation and
set up.

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:18:44 -0500, "John Kuthe"
> wrote:

> Each software installation and setup is a decision tree. You step though
> each decision one at a time hoping to end up at a terminal node which is
> what you wanted the software to do for you. Some software has confusing
> decision trees that never end you up at that terminal node of "software is
> doing what I want it to do", and after marching down several paths which
> terminate in "software is NOT doing what I want it to", I usually give up,
> delete it and look for other software which will get me faster and more
> easily to the desired terminal node of the decision tree of installation and
> set up.

I'm that way too. If it's not idiot proof, then I'm not their target
end user.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:26:28 -0500, "John Kuthe"
> wrote:

> If Tbird asks me for an email UserID and password, but it meant a news
> server UserID and password, it is stupid! And I don't play with stupid
> software.

TBird does both email and usenet, so if it asks for your email ID,
that's what it wants.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 8/4/2011 1:08 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:26:28 -0500, "John Kuthe"
> > wrote:
>
>> If Tbird asks me for an email UserID and password, but it meant a news
>> server UserID and password, it is stupid! And I don't play with stupid
>> software.
>
> TBird does both email and usenet, so if it asks for your email ID,
> that's what it wants.
>

It wants it for the same reason OE does. This is the one he typed into OE:

"John Kuthe" >

"George" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/4/2011 12:30 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
....
>>
>> I did,. but Tbird's prompts were still asking me for my email address. I
>> have no sympathy for any software developer that does not know the
>> difference between an email address and a news server UserID. If they
>> want a
>> news server UserID, ask for it by that name! NOT an "email address"!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>
> You mean like this one you typed into OE: "John Kuthe"
> > ?

That was a text box in OE that was labeled "email address" and at first I
put my real email address in it, but then realized I didn't necessarily want
my real email address publicizes all over Usenet! So I changed it!

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 13:30:24 -0500, Andy > wrote:

> I use separate clients for each service. The convoluted menus of
> integrated apps is usually a laborious chore.
>
> Usenet: xNews
> Email: Eudora
> Web: Firefox

I knew there was a reason I liked you, LOL! Two out of three isn't
bad. Are you using the old version of Eudora (v7) or a new version
(after it went to open software)?
>
> I tried the free OpenOffice suite by Sun Microsystems that tried to be
> the be-all/end-all of integrated apps but when one "module" needs bug
> fixing, you still had to download the entire 75mBs (admittedly less of an
> issue at super-broadband speeds many of us have today) that also results
> in fewer and faster fixes, imho.

Oh, ghawd... OO is such a total load of BS. I am not a software geek
and can't program anything (including the timers on my lights)... so
open software is not something that interests me even slightly. I
have MS Office and MS Word on one computer and OO with it's shitty
Word wannabe on the other - can you tell by now which one I like
better? I like MS Word and that's what I want.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:20:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

> But, of course, we're all going to pile on when he first replies to a
> Google Gropes poster and it fails to quote!

The pile on will be "I told you so", but can't many quote with no
problems? I'm pretty sure not everyone who uses OE has Quotefix
installed, so I think problems with quoting is a real crap shoot.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf wrote:

>> But, of course, we're all going to pile on when he first replies to a
>> Google Gropes poster and it fails to quote!
>
> The pile on will be "I told you so", but can't many quote with no
> problems? I'm pretty sure not everyone who uses OE has Quotefix
> installed, so I think problems with quoting is a real crap shoot.

I really don't understand the problems some users have with quoting using
OE. It quotes fine for me, regardless of the origin of the post to which I'm
replying. The only complaint I have is that if the Subject line start off
with "REC" or some similar string, that string will be dropped.

Bob

In article m>,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:


> I really don't understand the problems some users have with quoting using
> OE. It quotes fine for me, regardless of the origin of the post to which I'm
> replying. The only complaint I have is that if the Subject line start off
> with "REC" or some similar string, that string will be dropped.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem is really with a short leading
string that ends with a colon. That seems to get chopped off.
Fortunately, you haven't been able to get OE for the Mac for a long
time, so I can't have the problem.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:20:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > But, of course, we're all going to pile on when he first replies to a
> > Google Gropes poster and it fails to quote!
>
> The pile on will be "I told you so", but can't many quote with no
> problems? I'm pretty sure not everyone who uses OE has Quotefix
> installed, so I think problems with quoting is a real crap shoot.

Well, maybe it will work for him. I will suggest, as others have, that
he try replying to one of his old posts, preferably on a group like
misc.test, to see what happens.

But I suspect it's like my car. I have an air conditioner. Like you, I
live in a cool, dry climate and seldom need it. But I doubt that I
could live without it now. When I drive through one of those hot inland
valleys, I want my air conditioner. For years my wife and I refused to
get an air conditioner when we bought a new car. We knew that once we
did, we would always have to get it. They are expensive to buy, and
expensive to maintain. But that's what happened. Now we have to have
it.

You can add the quotes manually if your newsreader fails to do it. But
once you are used to having it done for you, it's pretty hard to get
motivated to do it yourself, even though it takes only seconds, with two
hands and dedicated fingers.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:51:39 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:20:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>> > But, of course, we're all going to pile on when he first replies to a
>> > Google Gropes poster and it fails to quote!
>>
>> The pile on will be "I told you so", but can't many quote with no
>> problems? I'm pretty sure not everyone who uses OE has Quotefix
>> installed, so I think problems with quoting is a real crap shoot.
>
>Well, maybe it will work for him. I will suggest, as others have, that
>he try replying to one of his old posts, preferably on a group like
>misc.test, to see what happens.
>
>But I suspect it's like my car. I have an air conditioner. Like you, I
>live in a cool, dry climate and seldom need it. But I doubt that I
>could live without it now. When I drive through one of those hot inland
>valleys, I want my air conditioner. For years my wife and I refused to
>get an air conditioner when we bought a new car. We knew that once we
>did, we would always have to get it. They are expensive to buy, and
>expensive to maintain. But that's what happened. Now we have to have
>it.

Are there cars on the lots in your area that don't have AC or do you
have to order them?

Lou

On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:43:13 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> I really don't understand the problems some users have with quoting using
> OE. It quotes fine for me, regardless of the origin of the post to which I'm
> replying. The only complaint I have is that if the Subject line start off
> with "REC" or some similar string, that string will be dropped.

I have never used OE, so I have no input about it other than being
annoyed by users whose newsreader doesn't quote properly.

Have you ever written /gr (hit the spacebar) and gotten "Greetings,
Bill"? It happens every time in every program (including Agent) on
this computer. There's nothing in autocomplete and no malicious
software that any anti-virus has found to explain it. I've given up
trying to figure it out and call it my own special Easter Egg.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:51:39 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
[snipped stuff about OE, Google Gropes and QuoteFix]

> >Well, maybe it will work for him. I will suggest, as others have, that
> >he try replying to one of his old posts, preferably on a group like
> >misc.test, to see what happens.
> >
> >But I suspect it's like my car. I have an air conditioner. Like you, I
> >live in a cool, dry climate and seldom need it. But I doubt that I
> >could live without it now. When I drive through one of those hot inland
> >valleys, I want my air conditioner. For years my wife and I refused to
> >get an air conditioner when we bought a new car. We knew that once we
> >did, we would always have to get it. They are expensive to buy, and
> >expensive to maintain. But that's what happened. Now we have to have
> >it.
>
> Are there cars on the lots in your area that don't have AC or do you
> have to order them?

We bought our last non-AC car in 1993, our first AC vehicle in 1998.
There were lots of non-AC cars on the lots back then (1993), especially
since we always buy tiny, bottom of the line cars. I bought a car last
year, and even the cheapest car in the cheapest line came with standard
AC sometimes.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:47:59 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > We bought our last non-AC car in 1993, our first AC vehicle in 1998.
> > There were lots of non-AC cars on the lots back then (1993), especially
> > since we always buy tiny, bottom of the line cars. I bought a car last
> > year, and even the cheapest car in the cheapest line came with standard
> > AC sometimes.
>
> But you're in Northern CA. In about 10 different residences, I don't
> think I had A/C in my apartments or houses except for two of them.
> Let alone a car - it has windows and provides air circulation up to 90
> MPH for free ;-)

My house is one thing. It's on a concrete foundation, and it isn't
going anyplace else. And where it is, is 20 miles from the ocean, as
the crow flies. Very few people in my neighborhood have air
conditioning in their houses. But my car doesn't stay put. I could
even drive it to Texas, although I don't know why I would.

:-)

And even though most people in Northern California live close to the
ocean, there are significant exceptions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento,_California

The capital has a population of half a million.

"On average, there are 74 days where the high exceeds 90 ?\0F (32 ?\0C),
and 15 days where the high exceeds 100 ?\0F (38 ?\0C); On the other
extreme, freezing nights occur 16 nights per year.[15] At Sacramento
International Airport, extremes have ranged from 18 ?\0F ("8 ?\0C) on
December 22, 1990 to 115 ?\0F (46 ?\0C) on June 15, 1961.["

Then there is Redding, which is quite a bit north:

The population is less than 100,000.

"The average daily maximum temperature in July stays near 100 ?F (38
?C)."

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 8/5/2011 7:31 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

>>>>
>>>
>>> It wants it for the same reason OE does. This is the one he typed
>>> into OE:
>>> "John >
>>
>> Nevertheless AFAIK you can bypass email account setup and only set up
>> news. When setting up news, you can supply fictitious email addresses.
>
> That's what I was trying to do, set Tbird up for news group access. But it
> never asked me for my news server UserID or password, just my *email*
> address! So I bailed on it! POS software, doesn't know a news server UserID
> from an email address!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
Sure it does, thats why it asked for an email address just like OE did
and even offers a short explanation of what it is used for.

Dan wrote about OE:

>> The only complaint I have is that if the Subject line start off with
>> "REC" or some similar string, that string will be dropped.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem is really with a short leading
> string that ends with a colon. That seems to get chopped off.

I think that's correct. It's not a large enough annoyance to get me to give
up OE in favor of software which I consider inferior.

Bob

sf wrote:

> Have you ever written /gr (hit the spacebar) and gotten "Greetings,
> Bill"? It happens every time in every program (including Agent) on
> this computer. There's nothing in autocomplete and no malicious
> software that any anti-virus has found to explain it. I've given up
> trying to figure it out and call it my own special Easter Egg.

That's very odd. Read these:

http://datn.org/post/4152541126/how-...hrough-my-open
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewto...p?f=9&t=164232
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=28894


Bob

On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:21:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > Have you ever written /gr (hit the spacebar) and gotten "Greetings,
> > Bill"? It happens every time in every program (including Agent) on
> > this computer. There's nothing in autocomplete and no malicious
> > software that any anti-virus has found to explain it. I've given up
> > trying to figure it out and call it my own special Easter Egg.
>
> That's very odd. Read these:
>
> http://datn.org/post/4152541126/how-...hrough-my-open
> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewto...p?f=9&t=164232
> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=28894
>
I'm not going to go off the deep end and get all scared that I might
have been hacked. Why? What's in it for them? Nothing. This
computer's hard drive died less than a year after I bought it so I had
it fixed. I brought in the media center disk, but a year later I
realized they had installed XP Home version instead. By that time,
I'd installed other software that I wanted and didn't feel like
fussing around anymore. I came to the conclusion that the software
they used to install XP Home was infected/affected. It's annoying,
not malicious. I wish I could eradicate it, but I've learned the work
around and am not surprised when I forget do what I should do and get
greetings from Bill. That's all.

The mozilla "discussion" about FF didn't make sense to me. That was
2004. This is years and many versions later. If it was a FF bug, it
would be fixed by now. I've also checked out macros and autocorrect
in Word and saw nothing that would trigger it. However, I don't know
how long I've had AllChars installed, but it's probably at least that
long. So I'll go with AllChars as the real culprit and not worry
about it anymore.

PS: I don't know what search string you used, but when I tried
researching it a few years ago, I didn't find a peep about the /gr
problem anywhere and thought I was all alone. Apparently I'm not.
Thanks!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:


> > On 8/5/2011 7:31 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >

> >> That's what I was trying to do, set Tbird up for news group access. But it
> >> never asked me for my news server UserID or password, just my *email*
> >> address! So I bailed on it! POS software, doesn't know a news server UserID
> >> from an email address!

> Thunderbird only asks you the first time you try and use the account
> and only if the server asks for it. Then it offers to remember the
> uname/pass combo for future logins.

Usenet is dying. Thunderbird is primarily an Email client. I couldn't
figure out how to set up news without going to the help. There's
nothing on the high level menus. It's FILE>NEW>OPEN OTHER before it
even gives you a clue about newsgroups. So yes, it wants to know your
Email stuff so it can check your Email for you. Hopefully there's a way
to turn that off, but I never got that far.

> It would seem John bailed a little early and didn't even try it. He
> was prepared to get upset and indignant and *knew* the software just
> wouldn't work. So he tailored his experience to meet his
> expectations.

Yeah, it's not rocket science. Any 14YO can figure it out. Us older
folks have a little more trouble.

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:07:20 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:53:54 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:47:59 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>>>
>>>> We bought our last non-AC car in 1993, our first AC vehicle in 1998.
>>>> There were lots of non-AC cars on the lots back then (1993), especially
>>>> since we always buy tiny, bottom of the line cars. I bought a car last
>>>> year, and even the cheapest car in the cheapest line came with standard
>>>> AC sometimes.
>>>
>>> But you're in Northern CA. In about 10 different residences, I don't
>>> think I had A/C in my apartments or houses except for two of them.
>>> Let alone a car - it has windows and provides air circulation up to 90
>>> MPH for free ;-)
>>
>> My house is one thing. It's on a concrete foundation, and it isn't
>> going anyplace else. And where it is, is 20 miles from the ocean, as
>> the crow flies. Very few people in my neighborhood have air
>> conditioning in their houses.
>
>But people who live in Northern CA who may not plan to travel much and
>may prefer the option not to have A/C in their cars.

The primary purposes of air conditioning in conditioning air is to
remove moisture and dust, cooling is a by product of removing
moisture. In many climates people cool with swamp coolers/evaporative
coolers, they live in a slightly cooler but dank environment. Most
automobiles nowadays not only cool and remove moisture (that puddle
under your car is not your car urinating) they also filter air
pollutants.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>
>>> On 8/5/2011 7:31 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>
>>>> That's what I was trying to do, set Tbird up for news group access. But it
>>>> never asked me for my news server UserID or password, just my *email*
>>>> address! So I bailed on it! POS software, doesn't know a news server UserID
>>>> from an email address!
>
>> Thunderbird only asks you the first time you try and use the account
>> and only if the server asks for it. Then it offers to remember the
>> uname/pass combo for future logins.
>
> Usenet is dying. Thunderbird is primarily an Email client. I couldn't
> figure out how to set up news without going to the help. There's
> nothing on the high level menus. It's FILE>NEW>OPEN OTHER before it
> even gives you a clue about newsgroups. So yes, it wants to know your
> Email stuff so it can check your Email for you. Hopefully there's a way
> to turn that off, but I never got that far.
>
>> It would seem John bailed a little early and didn't even try it. He
>> was prepared to get upset and indignant and *knew* the software just
>> wouldn't work. So he tailored his experience to meet his
>> expectations.
>
> Yeah, it's not rocket science. Any 14YO can figure it out. Us older
> folks have a little more trouble.
>
> :-)
>
Yes, you can turn it off. I never used Thunderbird for email, and
I don't use Seamonkey for email either. I want to keep those
functions separated.

--
Jean B.

John Kuthe wrote:

> I actually DLed Thunderbird and tried to set it up as my news reader, but
> could not find in it where to put my news server UserID and password! So I
> bailed it.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Is this another example of the behavior that is why you're unemployed?

John Kuthe wrote:

> Each software installation and setup is a decision tree. You step though
> each decision one at a time hoping to end up at a terminal node which is
> what you wanted the software to do for you. Some software has confusing
> decision trees that never end you up at that terminal node of "software is
> doing what I want it to do", and after marching down several paths which
> terminate in "software is NOT doing what I want it to", I usually give up,
> delete it and look for other software which will get me faster and more
> easily to the desired terminal node of the decision tree of installation and
> set up.
>
> John Kuthe...

do you need a girl to come do it for you? <eye roll>

Lou Decruss wrote:

> You should have had your neighbors 10 year old set it up for you.
>
> Lou

The 10 year old girl! LOL, I just responded pretty much that same way a
minute ago. John is such a limpdick in so many ways its embarrassing
that he ever made it out of nursing school.

On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:11:17 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:03:38 -0400, George wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2011 7:31 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It wants it for the same reason OE does. This is the one he typed
>>>>> into OE:
>>>>> "John >
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless AFAIK you can bypass email account setup and only set up
>>>> news. When setting up news, you can supply fictitious email addresses.
>>>
>>> That's what I was trying to do, set Tbird up for news group access. But it
>>> never asked me for my news server UserID or password, just my *email*
>>> address! So I bailed on it! POS software, doesn't know a news server UserID
>>> from an email address!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>>
>> Sure it does, thats why it asked for an email address just like OE did
>> and even offers a short explanation of what it is used for.
>
> Thunderbird only asks you the first time you try and use the account
> and only if the server asks for it. Then it offers to remember the
> uname/pass combo for future logins.
>
> It would seem John bailed a little early and didn't even try it. He
> was prepared to get upset and indignant and *knew* the software just
> wouldn't work. So he tailored his experience to meet his
> expectations.
>
> -sw

life is so much easier that way...

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:55:17 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> I never used Thunderbird for email, and
> I don't use Seamonkey for email either. I want to keep those
> functions separated.

That seems best. How embarrassing to post a personal letter/note to
rfc instead of emailing it!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> The 10 year old girl! LOL, I just responded pretty much that same way a
> minute ago. John is such a limpdick in so many ways its embarrassing that
> he ever made it out of nursing school.


Why do you have to be such a bitch? You, Nurse Ratchet, must have some
great bedside manner! So the guy didn't know about Googlegroups and Usenet.
So what?

Jill