Did anyone watch "Rascals" on this week's Kitchen Impossible? My God! Thirteen (13) dead mice under the base of the coolers! Apparently, it has started to go back to what it was before Robert showed up - note on the door said it was temporarily closed (now) and there was a bunch of stuff already piled up on the patio and in the dining room. Sad, really, that the Tweedledum and Tweedledee married couple couldn't bring themselves to do any physical labor.

N.

>
> Ramsey does have a US version of Kitch Nightmars. Rest. Imp. is a knock off
> copy.

....and much better, in my view. Ramsey is just too confrontational and his vocabulary is very limited. There are usually more "bleeps" than words in his programs. Irvine has an occasional bleep, but they are few and far between, and he is tough without trying to destroy people.

>
> I imagine some of these guys get on the right path, but if you are
> incompetent and have no basic knowledge of running a restaurant, two days
> with Robert Irvine will not get rid of bad habits, lazy employees, etc.
> These people would be better off in a different career.

....absolutely true about this week's adventure - "Rascals."

N.

Many of the problems with sanitation laws arise from underfunded mandates - not enough employees to do the rounds on a regular basis. Usually, it takes an active complaint to call down the wrath of the hygiene people. The same holds true for the agricultural inspections, much to our detriment.

N.

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:31:17 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote
> >> > At the job I had it was in the papers that we signed stating
> >> > something like, "And anything else that the boss decides is
> >> > necessary". We were told if we ever said, "That's not my job",
> we >> > could quit right then and there. And it did happen a few
> times. >> >
> >>
> >> I've put that clause in every job description I've written. I
> never >> said, nor do I want to hear "it not my job". Sure way to
> stall >> yourself in your career.
> >
> > You'l have a problem then when you hire a person with a disability.
> > Although it's not been a problem, I have had to remind my boss once
> > or twice 'I can't do that'.
>
> Try saying 'I can do that'. It's far more impressive to say 'yes I
> can' than to say 'yes we can'. Only a gang mentality street punk
> coward enlists 'we'. Saying "Yes we can" is precisely the same as
> saying "I can't do that". If an employee told me 'I can't' I'd tell
> them to find a way or find the highway.

Pretty words signifying nothing at all in the end and not related to my
post.

My boss knows I'm up for just about any oddball task, but on rare times
in the early days forgot I can't stand or sit more than 15-20 mins
straight, can't lift more than 20 lbs in comfort, and lack flexibility
in my back so crawling around on the floor to unhook computers is not a
good thing for me.

Unlike you, I am a disabled veteran (50%, spinal issues). Everything
above board and they knew my limits which have no impact on any of the
normal tasks for my job. If they asked me to help clean a kitchen, I'd
do so with a smile. I just can't empty a 50 gallon industrial sized
trash can full of heavy stuff.

One routine task at work is to empty the shredder. The guys lift the
40 lb or so bag out and take it to the recyle room while I get the
vacumn cleaner and clean up the paper chiplets that always litter the
carpet.



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sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:09:53 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > Try saying 'I can do that'. It's far more impressive to say 'yes I
> > can' than to say 'yes we can'. Only a gang mentality street punk
> > coward enlists 'we'. Saying "Yes we can" is precisely the same as
> > saying "I can't do that". If an employee told me 'I can't' I'd tell
> > them to find a way or find the highway.
>
> That is bullshit. You have to decide if doing it is going to get you
> anywhere or not. To make that decision, you need to know if the
> person asking you to do something stupid is someone who can do
> something for you in return or if it's just some peacock trying to
> look important.

It also depends on if it's something you will genuinely get hurt doing
if you try due to a disability. Those sorts of requests, I will
politely decline and they have zero issue with it. It's more 'oops,
sorry Carol, I forgot for a moment' then I'll work on some other
related part of the 'whatever' that I can do if there is one. In fact,
I've been point blank told if I do get asked to do something that is
chancy physically for me and I do *not* speak up I will be fired as
they can get in trouble over it if I get hurt.

Sad smile, Short version, I have 4 herniated discs (2 neck, 2 lower
back) and 2 more very abnormal ones that my spine doc is tracking as
they slowly degrade.


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Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote
> > > I've put that clause in every job description I've written. I
> > > never said, nor do I want to hear "it not my job". Sure way to
> > > stall yourself in your career.
> >
> > You'l have a problem then when you hire a person with a disability.
> > Although it's not been a problem, I have had to remind my boss once
> > or twice 'I can't do that'.
> >
> > I don't have a problem though with all sorts of oddball help.
> >
>
> I don't see a problem. There is a huge difference between "not my
> job" and "I can't do that". Just as I don't expect the maintenance
> guys to do invoicing, but they certainly give a hand in shipping if
> needed.

Correct. Lets see, oddball tasks this past month? Lets have some fun
here as I list them. My job is a data analyst and SQL programmer.

I clean the coffee mess normally twice a day, routinely restock every
morning. Helped find 47 PLA's (message addresses for various commands
for a message due out), helped write standard navy 2 messages with
proper formatting, took a video clip set of 14 home to chop to exact
second portions for a briefing (I have the software at home for this),
helped 3 people restore a PST file they had lost, helped another setup
a PST file to a local drive, taught 4 people basic HTML items to build
a wiki in lotus connection, vacumned around the shredder 3 times,
picked up mail from downstairs and delivered (at least once a week),
dropped off fedex package on way home, wordsmithed and formatted a navy
instruction on a topic not even remotely related to my field (mostly
formatting help, fonts, grammar and such) and helped repair the smokers
gazebo. Oh, 47 training reports that this time the person can do
themselves but they were time presssed so I did them for them.

I'm a go to person if you need help and it's something I can do. NO
ONE minds if i say I 'cant' do some items because it's too heavy or
something.

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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> >"cshenk" > wrote
> > > > I've put that clause in every job description I've written. I
> > > > never said, nor do I want to hear "it not my job". Sure way to
> > > > stall yourself in your career.
> > >
> > > You'l have a problem then when you hire a person with a
> > > disability. Although it's not been a problem, I have had to
> > > remind my boss once or twice 'I can't do that'.
> > >
> > > I don't have a problem though with all sorts of oddball help.
> > >
> >
> > I don't see a problem. There is a huge difference between "not my
> > job" and "I can't do that". Just as I don't expect the
> > maintenance guys to do invoicing, but they certainly give a hand
> > in shipping if needed.
>
> I agree. Disabilities are different from lackadaisical employees.
> Being physically unable to do things is different from saying "it's
> not my job". And, BTW, this episode of 'Restaurant Impossible' didn't
> involve disabled employees. Just an owner who didn't bother paying
> attention to the kitchen.

Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and it's
frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some sailors were
just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do anything like
cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been easier to do it
myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.

It would never occur to me to say 'not my job'. At most you would get,
'not my experience area but I'll help if I can, tell me more'.


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cshenk wrote:

> Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and it's
> frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some sailors were
> just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do anything like
> cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been easier to do it
> myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.

But God forbid you write a bad eval about them; it won't make it up the
"touchy-feely" chain. Even if they're criminals facing a BCD or DD.

Bob

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:04:40 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:09:53 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >
> > > Try saying 'I can do that'. It's far more impressive to say 'yes I
> > > can' than to say 'yes we can'. Only a gang mentality street punk
> > > coward enlists 'we'. Saying "Yes we can" is precisely the same as
> > > saying "I can't do that". If an employee told me 'I can't' I'd tell
> > > them to find a way or find the highway.
> >
> > That is bullshit. You have to decide if doing it is going to get you
> > anywhere or not. To make that decision, you need to know if the
> > person asking you to do something stupid is someone who can do
> > something for you in return or if it's just some peacock trying to
> > look important.
>
> It also depends on if it's something you will genuinely get hurt doing
> if you try due to a disability. Those sorts of requests, I will
> politely decline and they have zero issue with it. It's more 'oops,
> sorry Carol, I forgot for a moment' then I'll work on some other
> related part of the 'whatever' that I can do if there is one. In fact,
> I've been point blank told if I do get asked to do something that is
> chancy physically for me and I do *not* speak up I will be fired as
> they can get in trouble over it if I get hurt.
>
> Sad smile, Short version, I have 4 herniated discs (2 neck, 2 lower
> back) and 2 more very abnormal ones that my spine doc is tracking as
> they slowly degrade.

Fortunately, your situation isn't insubordination.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:56:06 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
>
> > Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and it's
> > frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some sailors were
> > just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do anything like
> > cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been easier to do it
> > myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.
>
> But God forbid you write a bad eval about them; it won't make it up the
> "touchy-feely" chain. Even if they're criminals facing a BCD or DD.
>
If they are only "facing" BCD or DD, then they haven't been convicted.
Surely you know they're innocent until proven guilty in a court of
law.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila.

sf wrote:

>>> Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and it's
>>> frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some sailors were
>>> just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do anything like
>>> cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been easier to do it
>>> myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.
>>
>> But God forbid you write a bad eval about them; it won't make it up the
>> "touchy-feely" chain. Even if they're criminals facing a BCD or DD.
>>
> If they are only "facing" BCD or DD, then they haven't been convicted.
> Surely you know they're innocent until proven guilty in a court of
> law.

If they are facing BCD or DD, then they've already been CONVICTED. Those are
sentences, not verdicts.

Also, "court of law" has a somewhat different meaning when you're talking
about the military justice system. The rights of military members differ
significantly from the rights of normal citizens. An easy example is the
obligation to go to work: If I just stopped coming to work, I could expect
to be fired. Nobody would send the police to drag me back to my workplace,
but that's exactly what can happen to an absentee in the military. If a
military member skipped out on his or her duties, he or she could expect to
be *jailed* -- and if convicted of desertion in wartime, could possibly even
be executed.

Bob

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:29:52 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> >>> Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and it's
> >>> frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some sailors were
> >>> just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do anything like
> >>> cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been easier to do it
> >>> myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.
> >>
> >> But God forbid you write a bad eval about them; it won't make it up the
> >> "touchy-feely" chain. Even if they're criminals facing a BCD or DD.
> >>
> > If they are only "facing" BCD or DD, then they haven't been convicted.
> > Surely you know they're innocent until proven guilty in a court of
> > law.
>
> If they are facing BCD or DD, then they've already been CONVICTED. Those are
> sentences, not verdicts.

"Facing" doesn't mean they've been convicted.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila.

sf wrote:

>>>>> Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and it's
>>>>> frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some sailors were
>>>>> just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do anything like
>>>>> cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been easier to do it
>>>>> myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.
>>>>
>>>> But God forbid you write a bad eval about them; it won't make it up the
>>>> "touchy-feely" chain. Even if they're criminals facing a BCD or DD.
>>>>
>>> If they are only "facing" BCD or DD, then they haven't been convicted.
>>> Surely you know they're innocent until proven guilty in a court of
>>> law.
>>
>> If they are facing BCD or DD, then they've already been CONVICTED. Those
>> are sentences, not verdicts.
>
> "Facing" doesn't mean they've been convicted.

Prior to conviction, they're facing a court martial. After conviction,
they're facing a discharge.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> cshenk wrote:
>
> > Correct. I had to deal with lazy 'employees' at times myself and
> > it's frustrating as hell. Navy retired Senior Chief and some
> > sailors were just there to get a paycheck. Getting them to do
> > anything like cleaning the ship was so painful it would have been
> > easier to do it myself, but that doesnt work in the long run.
>
> But God forbid you write a bad eval about them; it won't make it up
> the "touchy-feely" chain. Even if they're criminals facing a BCD or
> DD.
>
> Bob

That's not totally true. I can see why it may seem so, but I've
written many a 'bad boy' eval backed with counseling sheets the members
'refused to sign'.

I've vied with other Chiefs in ranking boards for the bottom spot on
the true non-performers. 58 of 58 in ranking really says something.

I've been on the other end of it too. A young man came to my shop as
an IT and an E6 because they closed his rate and he was converted. He
was not offered training and he had the 'Chief from Hell'. This guy
was the '14th of 14' in his evals. I sat him down for a frank
discussion. He was a new E6 who had never been afforded a chance to
lead. He'd made rank fast and that can happen. Someone who had made
it before him always blocked that slot.

He had orders to a ship in a few months. I contacted the Chief there
and we arranged for him to get the basic training school for the rate
enroute, then set to work. He needed a chance to learn and prove
himself. He was not lazy. He took on a task of incredible worth for
the whole ship. He took my 2 least worthwile lazy assed E3's and a
storeroom about 100ft by 40ft with 47 steel knoppers of 1.5 inch tall
and no AC and truely crappy lagging that had to be completely ripped
out including in a 35ft ceiling set.

He got AC added in a ship alteration. He got guys on 'extra duty' (in
trouble) *requesting* to work for him and help hand grind out the steel
knoppers. He fixed my 2 bum sailors. He refixed that room in 6 weeks
to be the main meeting room for the ship for all our big needs of 100
or more people.

Grin, I passed everything to his new Chief and fought really hard to
get him a 1 of 58 eval, but he got a 9 of 58 as he left the ship. He
made Chief 2 years later and I saw he made Senior Chief.


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On 22 Feb 2012 22:44:57 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>
> Wayne Boatwright

Welcome back, LTNS!

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On 22 Feb 2012 22:44:57 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> Welcome back, LTNS!
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Yes! God to see you back...Sharon in Canada

"biig" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 22 Feb 2012 22:44:57 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> Welcome back, LTNS!
>>
>> --
>> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> Yes! God to see you back...Sharon in Canada
>

OOOPS Good to see you back