On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:28:14 -0400, Nancy Young <email@replyto> wrote:

>On 9/2/2011 4:10 AM, Meghan Noecker wrote:
>
>> The welfare system actually holds people down even though it is
>> intended to be a helping hand. I wish it were more of a hand up
>> instead of a hand out. Help people with eductaion, job training,
>> cooking classes, finance classes, etc, And have limits so that people
>> know they really must get off the system. And once they were free of
>> the system, they could really be proud of themselves.
>
>They imposed time limits on welfare eligibility in the 90s in NJ.
>You have a 5 year lifetime cap. When it was put into effect, there
>were job training programs to help people get back into the work
>force, which is ongoing.
>


There are supposed to be limits here too, but there must be things
that reset the time. I see a lot of people who have been on it for 10
plus years. Doesn't seem like there is a limit.

another baby, having a part time job for a bit, a health issue at heast that
rest in IL, Lee
"Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:28:14 -0400, Nancy Young <email@replyto> wrote:
>
>>On 9/2/2011 4:10 AM, Meghan Noecker wrote:
>>
>>> The welfare system actually holds people down even though it is
>>> intended to be a helping hand. I wish it were more of a hand up
>>> instead of a hand out. Help people with eductaion, job training,
>>> cooking classes, finance classes, etc, And have limits so that people
>>> know they really must get off the system. And once they were free of
>>> the system, they could really be proud of themselves.
>>
>>They imposed time limits on welfare eligibility in the 90s in NJ.
>>You have a 5 year lifetime cap. When it was put into effect, there
>>were job training programs to help people get back into the work
>>force, which is ongoing.
>>
>
>
> There are supposed to be limits here too, but there must be things
> that reset the time. I see a lot of people who have been on it for 10
> plus years. Doesn't seem like there is a limit.
>

On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:31:48 -0700, Meghan Noecker
> wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:28:14 -0400, Nancy Young <email@replyto> wrote:
>
>>On 9/2/2011 4:10 AM, Meghan Noecker wrote:
>>
>>> The welfare system actually holds people down even though it is
>>> intended to be a helping hand. I wish it were more of a hand up
>>> instead of a hand out. Help people with eductaion, job training,
>>> cooking classes, finance classes, etc, And have limits so that people
>>> know they really must get off the system. And once they were free of
>>> the system, they could really be proud of themselves.
>>
>>They imposed time limits on welfare eligibility in the 90s in NJ.
>>You have a 5 year lifetime cap. When it was put into effect, there
>>were job training programs to help people get back into the work
>>force, which is ongoing.
>>
>There are supposed to be limits here too, but there must be things
>that reset the time. I see a lot of people who have been on it for 10
>plus years. Doesn't seem like there is a limit.

There are endless extentions, same with unemployment insurance. There
is no reason to look for a job when the government keeps rewarding
folks who refuse to work. So what if one can't find a job in their
last field, they gotta be be flexible. I happen to know a 45 year old
who worked most of his life for Allstate and was laid off... now he's
in business for himelf, he washes windows and cleans gutters, he more
than doubled his pay and is happier not having a boss. I just
recently paid someone to clean my gutters, cost me $75, took the
fellow no more than 30 minutes. He said he has more work than he can
handle... he makes and installs seamless gutters, cleaning gutters
became more profitable and is much more in demand so became most of
his business. Lots of people don't like to climb anymore, can't, or
never did. I used to clean my gutters but two years ago I no longer
wanted to risk it anymore, legs are getting too old, I never liked
heights anyway... $75 is nothing compared with a fall off a 12'
ladder. "The Tinman" arrives within a week after I phone him... he's
so busy he arrives when he can, no appointments, doesn't matter to him
if people are home or not... he mails a bill rather than taking the
time during the work day to write it up. There's plenty of work out
there, people who claim they can't find a job are simply not willing
to work. And one needs no college degree to clean gutters, wash
windows, paint houses, detail cars, and a hundred other things folks
are very willing to pay to have done.

On Sep 7, 11:38*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:31:48 -0700, Meghan Noecker
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:28:14 -0400, Nancy Young <email@replyto> wrote:
>
> >>On 9/2/2011 4:10 AM, Meghan Noecker wrote:
>
> >>> The welfare system actually holds people down even though it is
> >>> intended to be a helping hand. I wish it were more of a hand up
> >>> instead of a hand out. Help people with eductaion, job training,
> >>> cooking classes, finance classes, etc, And have limits so that people
> >>> know they really must get off the system. And once they were free of
> >>> the system, they could really be proud of themselves.
>
> >>They imposed time limits on welfare eligibility in the 90s in NJ.
> >>You have a 5 year lifetime cap. *When it was put into effect, there
> >>were job training programs to help people get back into the work
> >>force, which is ongoing.
>
> >There are supposed to be limits here too, but there must be things
> >that reset the time. I see a lot of people who have been on it for 10
> >plus years. Doesn't seem like there is a limit.
>
> There are endless extentions, same with unemployment insurance. *There
> is no reason to look for a job when the government keeps rewarding
> folks who refuse to work. *So what if one can't find a job in their
> last field, they gotta be be flexible. *I happen to know a 45 year old
> who worked most of his life for Allstate and was laid off... now he's
> in business for himelf, he washes windows and cleans gutters, he more
> than doubled his pay and is happier not having a boss. *I just
> recently paid someone to clean my gutters, cost me $75, took the
> fellow no more than 30 minutes. *He said he has more work than he can
> handle... he makes and installs seamless gutters, cleaning gutters
> became more profitable and is much more in demand so became most of
> his business. *Lots of people don't like to climb anymore, can't, or
> never did. *I used to clean my gutters but two years ago I no longer
> wanted to risk it anymore, legs are getting too old, I never liked
> heights anyway... $75 is nothing compared with a fall off a 12'
> ladder. *"The Tinman" arrives within a week after I phone him... he's
> so busy he arrives when he can, no appointments, doesn't matter to him
> if people are home or not... he mails a bill rather than taking the
> time during the work day to write it up. *There's plenty of work out
> there, people who claim they can't find a job are simply not willing
> to work. *And one needs no college degree to clean gutters, wash
> windows, paint houses, detail cars, and a hundred other things folks
> are very willing to pay to have done.

You really are totally unbelievable.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT), rosie >
wrote:

>On Sep 7, 11:38*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:31:48 -0700, Meghan Noecker

>You really are totally unbelievable.

Ya think? And people respond to him like he's normal. I don't get
it.

Lou

i wish everyone who thought he was insane would quit responding to him so i
wouldn't have to see it, even when he might happen to be right, its not
worth my time, Lee
"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT), rosie >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 7, 11:38 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:31:48 -0700, Meghan Noecker
>
>>You really are totally unbelievable.
>
> Ya think? And people respond to him like he's normal. I don't get
> it.
>
> Lou